Signings confirmed

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Up to now, McCann has always got the majority of his business done early in each window, so quite often alot of the speculation is limited. Then it's been a case of seeing how the rest of the window pans out, in case we lose anyone we want to keep.

As we know though, there's always scope for late dealings which is just the nature of the beast.

[Ldr]

They can't play on the 1st anyway, so if they're signed on the 1st or 3rd before noon it doesn't matter, they'll only be eligible for the game on the 4th.

That's fair comment. It could mean due to logistics not being able to register them officially and therefore announce them until after 1st.

Can’t register them n the 1st, it’s a bank holiday, no one in the office at the FA

Pretty sure registrations are done online these days (making the assumption from something I was reading re:Shrewsbury fielding an ineligible player in the vertu trophy, it makes reference to an online registration system)

[BillyStubbsTears]

I assume we can't actually SIGN a player until the window is open. Which means 1st Jan.

But you have to sign a player the day before a match for him to be eligible to play. Hence new signings can't play on 1st Jan.

[i_ateallthepies]

Terry can only provide money.  There's a whole load more tools needed to do Grant's job.

[i_ateallthepies]

If we have to wait until late January to bring players in, we’ll be cut adrift, and our form would need to be at playoff or automatic promotion level just to survive. That simply isn’t going to happen. In my opinion, this group doesn’t look like it has another win in it.

I understand why some fans are taking positives from last night and saying we put up a fight, but the reality is it was the same formation and tactics from the manager, the same players making the same mistakes, missing chances and making poor decisions, and that was against a side riddled with injuries who are not exactly strong at home.

Working hard is not enough. You need to work hard and have the quality to win games, especially away from home where you have to dig in and defend properly. Right now, we clearly need at least four experienced players who know this league and are fit enough to come straight into the starting XI.

That is a huge ask in a relegation battle because the best players will choose to go elsewhere. Instead, we will likely end up with young loanees we hope turn out to be stars, and journeymen who cannot get minutes at their current clubs. You can almost guarantee it. That approach can work when you are pushing for promotion or the playoffs, but when you are the whipping boys, it is a recipe for disaster.

Agree with every bit of this.

[Ldr]

I assume we can't actually SIGN a player until the window is open. Which means 1st Jan.

But you have to sign a player the day before a match for him to be eligible to play. Hence new signings can't play on 1st Jan.

That appears to be the case, though it’s a bit ambiguous in the case of free agents

[BillyStubbsTears]

I thought you could sign free agents at any time?

[Ldr]

I thought you could sign free agents at any time?

Yeah, ambiguous as to if they need to be registered by 12 noon prior day or 3 hours before the match, am reading efl documents on their website, glad I don’t have to write them!!!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Of course we play on Sunday aswell, so you'd want them in 1st/2nd really for that.

It does surprise me you can't agree a deal this week and have the paperwork done to be eligible on the 1st though.  There can't be that much to it?

[DonnyOsmond]

I thought you could sign free agents at any time?

Free agent window shuts at the end of November I think.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

quote author=BillyStubbsTears link=topic=295855.msg1437658#msg1437658 date=1767099330]
I assume we can't actually SIGN a player until the window is open. Which means 1st Jan.

But you have to sign a player the day before a match for him to be eligible to play. Hence new signings can't play on 1st Jan.
[/quote]

Yes, so no clubs can play new signings on 1st.

"....must be registered with The League and be included on the Squad List before the relevant League match. The League recommends uploading the updated Squad List not less than 24 hours before
the relevant League match"

The regulations also state that if a clubs fixtures are delayed due to TV (say the 2nd or 3rd) the new players registration will be delayed until after that match so not to disadvantage clubs playing on the 1st.

As someone already said, players are registered online via each clubs online portal to the EFL.

[GazLaz]

There’s a lot of moving and shaking in the transfer window. Ordinarily having players lined up for day one is not always optimal. In our situation we need reinforcements pretty quickly. I think we need 6 first team signings this January. The 5 loanees need replacing and an additional centre half. If Robinson coming in from Derby to replace Crew is a sign of things to come then we are making the squad worse.

I’ve heard a whisper about who the loanee centre half will be, if true we won’t be making huge strides forward.

[Alan Southstand]

Any good news, Gaz?

 

[Petche]

I thought you could sign free agents at any time?

Free agent window shuts at the end of November I think.

No such thing as a 'window' for free agents.

[steve@dcfd]

There’s a lot of moving and shaking in the transfer window. Ordinarily having players lined up for day one is not always optimal. In our situation we need reinforcements pretty quickly. I think we need 6 first team signings this January. The 5 loanees need replacing and an additional centre half. If Robinson coming in from Derby to replace Crew is a sign of things to come then we are making the squad worse.

I’ve heard a whisper about who the loanee centre half will be, if true we won’t be making huge strides forward.

I believe the money required whether loans or not will be too much to give us the quality level
League 1 players we need. It's started already we were going to announce on Jan 1st now that's been put back or even put off. We are second bottom league it should not affect loans unless they don't want their players in a relegation battle.

[ncRover]

There’s a lot of moving and shaking in the transfer window. Ordinarily having players lined up for day one is not always optimal. In our situation we need reinforcements pretty quickly. I think we need 6 first team signings this January. The 5 loanees need replacing and an additional centre half. If Robinson coming in from Derby to replace Crew is a sign of things to come then we are making the squad worse.

I’ve heard a whisper about who the loanee centre half will be, if true we won’t be making huge strides forward.

Are they at a Championship or League One club currently?

[Barmby Rover]

There’s a lot of moving and shaking in the transfer window. Ordinarily having players lined up for day one is not always optimal. In our situation we need reinforcements pretty quickly. I think we need 6 first team signings this January. The 5 loanees need replacing and an additional centre half. If Robinson coming in from Derby to replace Crew is a sign of things to come then we are making the squad worse.

I’ve heard a whisper about who the loanee centre half will be, if true we won’t be making huge strides forward.

I believe the money required whether loans or not will be too much to give us the quality level
League 1 players we need. It's started already we were going to announce on Jan 1st now that's been put back or even put off. We are second bottom league it should not affect loans unless they don't want their players in a relegation battle.

Who has said it has been put off? I have heard nothing.As far as I know 2 tomorrow, 2 more at an unspecified date.

[roversdude]

Agree not heard anything about a change in the announcements

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It's all on this thread if you follow from page 1.

It wasn't said there were going to be announcements specifically but McCann saying two were expected to sign as soon as the window opens.

""We're already ahead of the game. Two players have agreed and are done and then there's one or two (others) that are close. Two will arrive on the first of January and the others may be slightly delayed on that."

As the thread also covers, new players can't play on 1st January anyway but a further article cast doubt on the first one when McCann referred to us working hard to get deals over the line etc, but he's got games to prepare for too.

So it was never said there would be announcements on the 1st.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Yes, but why assume they would announce them on the 1st when all the concentration is on the game that tomorrow plus that's the first day they can register them with the EFL so, as also covered in the thread they wouldn't be eligible to play so no point busting a gut to do the announcements.

Likely announcements will made shortly after when they've done the welcome interviews etc (although they may already be in the can for all we know)

[donnyguy]

Ricky Charlesworth on X

Not expecting any transfer announcements tomorrow at Rovers. Sure the question will be asked to GM post-Bolton regarding a further update. #DRFC

[Ian Nimmo]

There’s a lot of moving and shaking in the transfer window. Ordinarily having players lined up for day one is not always optimal. In our situation we need reinforcements pretty quickly. I think we need 6 first team signings this January. The 5 loanees need replacing and an additional centre half. If Robinson coming in from Derby to replace Crew is a sign of things to come then we are making the squad worse.

I’ve heard a whisper about who the loanee centre half will be, if true we won’t be making huge strides forward.

I agree and we probably need more incomings than would have been anticipated after the summer recruitment.
I believe this will be a difficult window, with high possibility we could loose our 2 best players.
GL have you heard anything regarding any interested clubs who may be formulating bids?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Wasn’t it Brian Clough who said the roles of a football manager and a politician are the only jobs in the UK where unqualified people feel legitimised to tell you how shit you are at it?

[goalkick]

Would be stupid to let two of our best players go 

[Chris Black come back]

Not sure there is any actual evidence that there is a high possibility both Bailey and Molyneux are leaving this window.

[mushRTID]

Not sure there is any actual evidence that there is a high possibility both Bailey and Molyneux are leaving this window.

The evidence is they are both performing well in a struggling team.

I would expect at least one of them will get some serious interest.

[Ryaldinhio]

Not sure there is any actual evidence that there is a high possibility both Bailey and Molyneux are leaving this window.

Totally agree CBCB.

They both signed extended contracts, they are both settled here, both bought houses in the area, both loved by the fans, both playing the best football of their careers.

Yes people would be interested but surely thats what we want? I'd rather people were interested in all of our squad because everyone was performing at the top of their game!!!

Interest doesn't mean anything will happen and it certainly doesn't mean HIGHLY LIKELY that BOTH will leave.

Bonkers talk.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Equally they both only have what 18 months left on their contracts?  If you get good offers it is stupid not to take them and invest across the squad. We can't keep letting players go for free.

[Chris Black come back]

If and when they go and we get a fee, I am sure this will be used to reinvest in the squad. Remember though that we budget for a loss each season, ie Terry gives us c£2m a season. So when we ‘break even’ this means that Terry is not having to fork out more than the c£2m a season. Ideally we need to be getting to the point where we break even without Terry giving us that amount each season. That can only really come from player sales and that will not always mean a fee can be fully reinvested.

[In the box]

If and when they go and we get a fee, I am sure this will be used to reinvest in the squad. Remember though that we budget for a loss each season, ie Terry gives us c£2m a season. So when we ‘break even’ this means that Terry is not having to fork out more than the c£2m a season. Ideally we need to be getting to the point where we break even without Terry giving us that amount each season. That can only really come from player sales and that will not always mean a fee can be fully reinvested.

We have history of playing Santa Clause where player departures are concerned. We need to be more ruthless in approach to our recruitment and contracts . If we value players they should given contracts worthy of our reliance on them and discourage clubs from poaching ie Olowu (Free) May (unbelievable £5k) Watters (Free) etc . Surely if were compete at any level and invest for the future and our recruitment based on potential . Big squads are fine but if your only ending up loaning them out and replacing them other clubs loans I can’t see where progress is made play them from the bench  . To much De Ja Vu seasons on the reliance on transfer January windows  to repair or salvage what should have been avoidable  by the due diligence being carried out of players before signing . Build a strong 14-15 and use Loans should Supplement the squad but not build the first team around them .