Has grant mcann ran out of credit ?

[DearneValleyRover]

Why has this thread escalated into yet another arguement rather than actual decent discussion??

It wasn’t really a decent discussion from the start

[Reg of the Rovers]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

[Sven Vath]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

A sensible post and well put !

I hope we stay up and McCann keeps his job. We were in a real mess before he came in, and we’ve been getting stronger every year.

PS: The grammar police will be all over this because it goes against their narrative.
Except Wiggle — it’s way above his intellect.

[Fal]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

The only point i would question him as manager would be if we went down AND had a really poor start to next season like we did a couple of seasons ago. Only then will my viewpoint change, for now even if we go down he is the best person to bring us straight back up and will have learned from this season.

I think most fans can agree that the standard in League One is much greater than it was the last time we were in it and some fans need to take a reality check with their expectations.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Here we go, another McCann in or out vote. Yaaaaawwwwwn. Bad day, entire team looked knackered, rest up refocus and move on, oh yes , and with the same manager.

Get a grip fella, I clearly said I want asking if we should sack him.

*wasn’t

Q: What's more pathetic than a keyboard warrior?
 
A: A keyboard warrior who's can't even use the right words or tenses of what is presumably their native tongue.

*who
**correct
***which

Nice bit of irony wasn’t it Tony.   

It would have been if 'right' wasn't a synonym of 'correct' and therefore still right, and using 'which' instead of 'what' would be completely incorrect.

However, I accept I used 'who's' incorrectly instead of 'who'. An admission that appears to be beyond some people.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Here we go, another McCann in or out vote. Yaaaaawwwwwn. Bad day, entire team looked knackered, rest up refocus and move on, oh yes , and with the same manager.

Get a grip fella, I clearly said I want asking if we should sack him.

*wasn’t

Q: What's more pathetic than a keyboard warrior?

A: A keyboard warrior who's can't even use the right words or tenses of what is presumably their native tongue.

What a nob you are

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

At least I'm not such a nob as to challenge you to 'say it to my face'!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Here we go, another McCann in or out vote. Yaaaaawwwwwn. Bad day, entire team looked knackered, rest up refocus and move on, oh yes , and with the same manager.

Get a grip fella, I clearly said I want asking if we should sack him.

*wasn’t

Q: What's more pathetic than a keyboard warrior?
 
A: A keyboard warrior who's can't even use the right words or tenses of what is presumably their native tongue.

*who
**correct
***which

Nice bit of irony wasn’t it Tony.   

Unfortunately lost on Mr wiggly   

Your incorrect corrections certainly weren't. I presume that makes them doubly ironic!

[Rupee92ONLY]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

The only point i would question him as manager would be if we went down AND had a really poor start to next season like we did a couple of seasons ago. Only then will my viewpoint change, for now even if we go down he is the best person to bring us straight back up and will have learned from this season.

I think most fans can agree that the standard in League One is much greater than it was the last time we were in it and some fans need to take a reality check with their expectations.

That’s potentially throwing another season out the way though and with a poor start you’d imagine it will have been another poor summer of recruitment. It’s his recruitment that is my biggest doubt about him. I’ve thought about McCann’s performance/job security a few times this season and I keep landing on replacing him in the summer, solely down to that reason.

If we’re to improve our whole process around identifying targets, then it makes sense to also remove and replace the people who don’t really fit in to that. McCann demands full control of the football department.

EDIT: also on your last point about L1 being much tougher than before (it is) and fans needing a reality check on expectations… It’s McCann who has been saying quite confidently since last season that he knows L1 better than L2 and how he’s signing players with that (this) league in mind. I would argue he’s the guilty one of underestimating this division and overestimating his and his players ability.

[scawsby steve]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

The only point i would question him as manager would be if we went down AND had a really poor start to next season like we did a couple of seasons ago. Only then will my viewpoint change, for now even if we go down he is the best person to bring us straight back up and will have learned from this season.

I think most fans can agree that the standard in League One is much greater than it was the last time we were in it and some fans need to take a reality check with their expectations.

Fal, mate, I really don't think you're getting the gravity of this situation. If we go down this season, it'll set the club back years, and there's no evidence whatsoever that we'll bounce straight back up.

ST sales will take a massive hit, floating fans that came back to the club because of promotion to League 1 will f*ck off again, we'll lose our best players and yet another re-build will have to be assembled.

We simply must stay up this season or we're in real trouble.

[Fal]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

The only point i would question him as manager would be if we went down AND had a really poor start to next season like we did a couple of seasons ago. Only then will my viewpoint change, for now even if we go down he is the best person to bring us straight back up and will have learned from this season.

I think most fans can agree that the standard in League One is much greater than it was the last time we were in it and some fans need to take a reality check with their expectations.

Fal, mate, I really don't think you're getting the gravity of this situation. If we go down this season, it'll set the club back years, and there's no evidence whatsoever that we'll bounce straight back up.

ST sales will take a massive hit, floating fans that came back to the club because of promotion to League 1 will f*ck off again, we'll lose our best players and yet another re-build will have to be assembled.

We simply must stay up this season or we're in real trouble.

Even if we stayed up we may lose our best players, so that point is mute if im honest. We could've quite easily lost Bailey and Molyneux in this past window but we didn't. There is also no evidence that we would struggle next season as we don't know the signings we make in the summer.

I honestly don't agree that it would set us back years, the way the club is run is different now. Beforehand they tried to make it a self sustainable club and that backfired with relegation and the subsequent awful post covid years with frees and journeymen signing. Terry will not let that happen i can almost guarentee and you can see that from how he is with the meet the owner events.

Theres 48 points still to play for, for all we know we could win every one (not likely i know). Realistically 4 wins and a couple of draws may be enough, im just not concerned about relegation when theres still 16 games left to play. In April with 6 or so left sure but right now not so much, we are going to sadly have days like the Wycombe game, its just part an parcel of being a mid table to lower side in thsi division. We are also just like a bunch of others 6 points away from the top half of the league.

[Rupee92ONLY]

The difference in price between selling Molyneux and Bailey as a L1 club rather than L2 will be massive for a club of our size.

[roversdaft]

In answer to the question on the Poll

I would of said

No in September & October

Maybe in November & December

Yes in January & February

I have had enough of watching the same tactics and formation every game, played with the same terrible execution week in week out.

[PDX_Rover]

Here we go, another McCann in or out vote. Yaaaaawwwwwn. Bad day, entire team looked knackered, rest up refocus and move on, oh yes , and with the same manager.

Get a grip fella, I clearly said I want asking if we should sack him.

*wasn’t

Still hiding I see, and not answering after I've called you out. Pathetic.

Yeah… if your eyes worked you’d have seen that I answered you, McGoo.

No, still waiting for you to explain why you think the grammar is wrong

Grant McCann and it’s run.

[TonySoprano]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate question, at this stage of the season as we teeter on the edge of relegation, as to whether McCann still has credit left from last years promotion.

The majority view seems to be that he does, with some wavering on whether he should go if we go down.

My view is that he's fast running out of credit, we've seen bad recruitment and some terrible in-game management decisions, and he's been very well backed by the board - more than any manager in a long long time here.

But the winter window looks good. Haks, Francis and Lee in particular may be the magic we need to stay up, with Byrne adding strength at the back, so reasons to be positive.

I would get rid of McCann this summer whether we go down or not. A full summer for a new manager, a chance to refresh some of the back office to freshen up the decision-making around transfers and tactics. And invest in a manager who can look after the pennies a bit better. The other lively debate on here was succession planning for Bramhall - that is a harder task if our manager has a strike rate of one good player in every three signings. The money we've wasted this year alone is obscene.

I don't know who else we should get, but I think whatever happens we need a freshen up and reset all round if we want to be a competitive league one team longer term.

Great post

[TonySoprano]

Here we go, another McCann in or out vote. Yaaaaawwwwwn. Bad day, entire team looked knackered, rest up refocus and move on, oh yes , and with the same manager.

Get a grip fella, I clearly said I want asking if we should sack him.

*wasn’t

Q: What's more pathetic than a keyboard warrior?
 
A: A keyboard warrior who's can't even use the right words or tenses of what is presumably their native tongue.

*who
**correct
***which

Nice bit of irony wasn’t it Tony.   

It would have been if 'right' wasn't a synonym of 'correct' and therefore still right, and using 'which' instead of 'what' would be completely incorrect.

However, I accept I used 'who's' incorrectly instead of 'who'. An admission that appears to be beyond some people.

Wrong as usual Mr wiggly

[Glyn_Wigley]

Says the person who's had three days to work out his original cock-ups and still can't manage it!

[Draytonian III]

For all those wanting to jettison Grant McCann, tomorrow, next week, next month or the end of the season, two simple questions.
Who do you replace him with ?
Why this replacement ?
Simple questions

[Reg of the Rovers]

I don't know who specifically, but a manager who has the following characteristics / skills:
- Good in the transfer market (using evidence-based techniques to make robust decisions)
- Able to create a balanced team - where key areas of weakness are identified and rectified.
- Able to set a team up dynamically in response to the personnel available and strengths / weaknesses of the opposition, not the same predictable set up every time
- Able to change a game responsively and in a timely way - not just standing and watching games pass us by, and then make 'like-for-like' changes which actually weaken us
- Respectful and nurturing to the potential we have in house (Faulkner, Flint, Brown, Hurst etc)

I think these are non-negotiables for a manager, and Grant is poor in most of these areas. He seems to have a good bond with most of the players, but sometimes that's a weakness - these aren't his mates he needs to manage them to get the best from them and set clear expectations.

We had a good season to win Lg2 last year, but in the same way we need to upgrade many of our players to be competitive in Lg1, we also need to upgrade our manager, coaching staff and scouting set up.

[Usher wide.]

For all those wanting to jettison Grant McCann, tomorrow, next week, next month or the end of the season, two simple questions.
Who do you replace him with ?
Why this replacement ?
Simple questions

1. Simple questions are the best type for simple people.

2. Which of your two faces would you like me to say it to Soprano?

3.Last season we were promoted as Champions under Grant. This season we will finish mid table & win a Trophy at Wembley.

But let’s sack this manager anyway eh?

[GazLaz]

For all those wanting to jettison Grant McCann, tomorrow, next week, next month or the end of the season, two simple questions.
Who do you replace him with ?
Why this replacement ?
Simple questions

I don’t want Grant to get the sack but my first choice, should we have needed a manager at any point recently, would have been Gary Caldwell. Looks like he’s joining Wigan.

[ncRover]

I think the success and demise of the likes of Thomas Frank and Graham Potter shows that the background football operation is more important than who the manager is.

If McCann had more guidance on recruitment it would help. For example someone say “look Grant, you don’t normally go for Glenn Middleton and Billy Sharp type players in those positions”.

Good recruitment compounds positively as it allows you to focus your energy on sustainable longer-lasting improvements rather than chasing your tail trying to correct mistakes with loans mid-season then having to rebuild in the summer again.

I think Grant is a good manager for this level. If he had better in-game management he wouldn’t be in League One.

[Padge_DRFC]

It's often debated who is our biggest rivals. Is it Rotherham, is it Scunny, is it Barnsley.

Nope our own fans

[Ho]

I don't know who specifically, but a manager who has the following characteristics / skills:
- Good in the transfer market (using evidence-based techniques to make robust decisions)
- Able to create a balanced team - where key areas of weakness are identified and rectified.
- Able to set a team up dynamically in response to the personnel available and strengths / weaknesses of the opposition, not the same predictable set up every time
- Able to change a game responsively and in a timely way - not just standing and watching games pass us by, and then make 'like-for-like' changes which actually weaken us
- Respectful and nurturing to the potential we have in house (Faulkner, Flint, Brown, Hurst etc)

I think these are non-negotiables for a manager, and Grant is poor in most of these areas. He seems to have a good bond with most of the players, but sometimes that's a weakness - these aren't his mates he needs to manage them to get the best from them and set clear expectations.

We had a good season to win Lg2 last year, but in the same way we need to upgrade many of our players to be competitive in Lg1, we also need to upgrade our manager, coaching staff and scouting set up.

Is that not too much for one individual to be accountable for?  Particularly when there's a conflict between some of them - e.g. talent pathways and recruitment are longer term things than next opposition.  Managers will typically look more short term.

[Ho]

I think the success and demise of the likes of Thomas Frank and Graham Potter shows that the background football operation is more important than who the manager is.

If McCann had more guidance on recruitment it would help. For example someone say “look Grant, you don’t normally go for Glenn Middleton and Billy Sharp type players in those positions”.

Good recruitment compounds positively as it allows you to focus your energy on sustainable longer-lasting improvements rather than chasing your tail trying to correct mistakes with loans mid-season then having to rebuild in the summer again.

I think Grant is a good manager for this level. If he had better in-game management he wouldn’t be in League One.

Just had the same conversation on bluesky - Can you really expect Thomas Frank to repeat what he did at Brentford without the infrastructure he had behind him at Brentford?

[Draytonian III]

For all those wanting to jettison Grant McCann, tomorrow, next week, next month or the end of the season, two simple questions.
Who do you replace him with ?
Why this replacement ?
Simple questions

1. Simple questions are the best type for simple people.

2. Which of your two faces would you like me to say it to Soprano?

3.Last season we were promoted as Champions under Grant. This season we will finish mid table & win a Trophy at Wembley.

But let’s sack this manager anyway eh?









Soprano ?????

[BillyStubbsTears]

In answer to the question on the Poll

I would of said

No in September & October

Maybe in November & December

Yes in January & February

I have had enough of watching the same tactics and formation every game, played with the same terrible execution week in week out.

Odd that Jan and Feb have tipped you over the edge.

Our league record in that time is P7 W3 D2 L2 Pts 11 - More or less play-off form.

[TonySoprano]

Says the person who's had three days to work out his original cock-ups and still can't manage it!

Seems my post from this morning has been deleted, but ill repost this.

You and pdx are resorting to ad homenim attacks, to try and divert attention from the substance of the discussion.
Pathetic really, given I was only posing a legitimate question

[PDX_Rover]

Says the person who's had three days to work out his original cock-ups and still can't manage it!

Seems my post from this morning has been deleted, but ill repost this.

You and pdx are resorting to ad homenim attacks, to try and divert attention from the substance of the discussion.
Pathetic really, given I was only posing a legitimate question

It's ad hominem

Which kind of closes the loop.

[RoversInSpain]

Perhaps as supporters we should be doing what we expect of the players, be together, win together, lose together and draw together. Support each other show character and stop bloody panicking, as panic spreads.
What’s the saying? Never too low when you lose never too high when you win.
Some of the stuff on this thread ain’t great folks.
So, we stay up up and go to Wembley…. Now relax !
Oh!, and sorry for any grammar cock ups.

[ForsolongaRover]

Perhaps as supporters we should be doing what we expect of the players, be together, win together, lose together and draw together. Support each other show character and stop bloody panicking, as panic spreads.
What’s the saying? Never too low when you lose never too high when you win.
Some of the stuff on this thread ain’t great folks.
So, we stay up up and go to Wembley…. Now relax !
Oh!, and sorry for any grammar cock ups.

Perhaps as supporters, mostly life-long and unlikely to forsake the club, we focus too closely on our own collective but diverse opinions, when the fact is that the bottom line is that even when we hold totally opposed views we won’t desert the club we love.

In considering the interests of the club and its finances the Board’s target is financial and building new support which means consistent progress and success on the field to reflect value for money invested in players so as to increase the revenue stream.

Mere survival, which is unlikely to attract more support, may not be enough and I doubt whether relegation and the rebuild needed for a team without Bailey and Molyneux would be sensibly entrusted to a manager who has not recruited well.