Lincoln City release list

[GazLaz]

Skubala looks like he is off anyway.

Not leaving apparently. Nice pay rise for him to warn off the interest I’d imagine.

[Chris Black come back]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

[GazLaz]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

He’s a PE teacher anyway. More to their form than him.

[Ryaldinhio]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

He’s a PE teacher anyway. More to their form than him.

Lincoln have just waltzed through this league. Then you call their manager a PE teacher.

I dont come on here that much Gaz but with that one comment you have undermined every sensible post you have ever made.

[GazLaz]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

He’s a PE teacher anyway. More to their form than him.

Lincoln have just waltzed through this league. Then you call their manager a PE teacher.

I dont come on here that much Gaz but with that one comment you have undermined every sensible post you have ever made.

He was actually a PE teacher!

I feel that the head coach role at Lincoln is perhaps not as influential as at other clubs. In the same way it isn’t at say Brentford. Kieth Andrews stepped in there and the ship kept motoring forward even though he’s really limited.

I know the Brentford case well and the control that Andrews has is very very minimal. It’s likely a similar set up at Lincoln. Everyone I have spoke to with any close association to Lincoln tell me Chris Cohen is the driving force behind the on the field stuff.

I make off the cuff comments on here that may appear mental at times but I can assure you there is (generally!) a lot of working out behind them.

I’m not always right but there is a method to the madness!

There’s a fair chance that MS goes to Bristol City and looks pretty ordinary whilst the Lincoln train still rolls on. I’m not saying Lincoln will be great in the Championship, as it’s a tough division and their wage bill won’t be very competitive, but I can’t see a drop in level from their L1 efforts.

[Ryaldinhio]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

He’s a PE teacher anyway. More to their form than him.

Lincoln have just waltzed through this league. Then you call their manager a PE teacher.

I dont come on here that much Gaz but with that one comment you have undermined every sensible post you have ever made.

He was actually a PE teacher!

I feel that the head coach role at Lincoln is perhaps not as influential as at other clubs. In the same way it isn’t at say Brentford. Kieth Andrews stepped in there and the ship kept motoring forward even though he’s really limited.

I know the Brentford case well and the control that Andrews has is very very minimal. It’s likely a similar set up at Lincoln. Everyone I have spoke to with any close association to Lincoln tell me Chris Cohen is the driving force behind the on the field stuff.

I make off the cuff comments on here that may appear mental at times but I can assure you there is (generally!) a lot of working out behind them.

I’m not always right but there is a method to the madness!

There’s a fair chance that MS goes to Bristol City and looks pretty ordinary whilst the Lincoln train still rolls on. I’m not saying Lincoln will be great in the Championship, as it’s a tough division and their wage bill won’t be very competitive, but I can’t see a drop in level from their L1 efforts.

The above more in depth version regards a head coach in a bigger plan makes sense and I understand the views on that. There is definitely a different set up to what we have currently. That said when we tried the head coach role with DS it was not a good period but the whole set up was not there around him.

Apologies, I thought you were just being flippant!

[GazLaz]

Joined Bristol City as manager.

He’s a PE teacher anyway. More to their form than him.

Lincoln have just waltzed through this league. Then you call their manager a PE teacher.

I dont come on here that much Gaz but with that one comment you have undermined every sensible post you have ever made.

He was actually a PE teacher!

I feel that the head coach role at Lincoln is perhaps not as influential as at other clubs. In the same way it isn’t at say Brentford. Kieth Andrews stepped in there and the ship kept motoring forward even though he’s really limited.

I know the Brentford case well and the control that Andrews has is very very minimal. It’s likely a similar set up at Lincoln. Everyone I have spoke to with any close association to Lincoln tell me Chris Cohen is the driving force behind the on the field stuff.

I make off the cuff comments on here that may appear mental at times but I can assure you there is (generally!) a lot of working out behind them.

I’m not always right but there is a method to the madness!

There’s a fair chance that MS goes to Bristol City and looks pretty ordinary whilst the Lincoln train still rolls on. I’m not saying Lincoln will be great in the Championship, as it’s a tough division and their wage bill won’t be very competitive, but I can’t see a drop in level from their L1 efforts.

The above more in depth version regards a head coach in a bigger plan makes sense and I understand the views on that. There is definitely a different set up to what we have currently. That said when we tried the head coach role with DS it was not a good period but the whole set up was not there around him.

Apologies, I thought you were just being flippant!

I often am but there is thought behind the flippancy!

[ridgewoodrover]

A good friend of mine is a city season tkt holder.
He was upset the manager went.
He was more concerned about him coming back for the coaching staff.
That tells you something about the set up at city.

[GazLaz]

A good friend of mine is a city season tkt holder.
He was upset the manager went.
He was more concerned about him coming back for the coaching staff.
That tells you something about the set up at city.

I believe all the back room staff are remaining. That’s how a club should run. The staff belong to the club and the head coach is just a small part of the structure. That is exactly how every club will be run in 20years. Every single one. People will look back at how the majority of clubs do things now in amazement of how inefficient it is. We’ll get there one day and until be so I’ll keep on pushing for it!

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There is no cast iron right or wrong in the way clubs decide how to structure themselves. While some will see, and gain some success with the Head Coach model, there are pro's and cons with that too. Not every club will succeed with that model and not every club will have the patience to make it work.  It's the people who make it work not necessarily the structure.

In years to come it may be seen there being too many coaches and not enough decision makers and that being seen as inefficient.

[GazLaz]

There is no cast iron right or wrong in the way clubs decide how to structure themselves. While some will see, and gain some success with the Head Coach model, there are pro's and cons with that too. Not every club will succeed with that model and not every club will have the patience to make it work.  It's the people who make it work not necessarily the structure.

In years to come it may be seen there being too many coaches and not enough decision makers and that being seen as inefficient.

It’s possible to have success with no manager and picking players at random, not optimal but possible because players are the absolute key ingredient.

There’s a most efficient way to do most LONG TERM though isn’t there. The all encompassing manager isn’t that. It can’t be more than ok in the short to medium term but it creates so many moving parts when you do need to change it causes too much uncertainty.

There’s a reason Brentford and Brighton both have bottom 4 Prem budgets and they regularly finish top half even after changing players and managers. It’s because the efficiencies are created by the team behind the scenes and they remain a constant.

Keith Andrews at Brentford does very little more than the in play decision making and half time pep talk there. Training is mapped out by the club, players are signed by the club, selection is heavily influenced by the club, his staff are selected by the club. Soon, in play decision making will be data led and optimised that way.

Love it or hate it, that’s the way things are going. The sooner teams (like Lincoln for example) get on that bus, the sooner they can get going.

There will become a point where teams have to find an edge in other ways but the data approach will underpin everything.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

'Keith Andrews at Brentford does very little more than the in play decision making and half time pep talk there. Training is mapped out by the club, players are signed by the club, selection is heavily influenced by the club, his staff are selected by the club. Soon, in play decision making will be data led and optimised that way"

You refer to the club bur it's people hired by the club who map out the training, recruit the players etc, so you need good people to make any structure work. If any of those important personnel don't perform then it all falls down.

So should Bristol City have signed Cohen and left Skubla where he is?

From our point of view, very difficult to assess how significant the appointment of Paul Green might be in a couple of years down the line. How influential is he likely to be, being part of the bigger team (including Copps and Gavin as CEO) mapping out training, having an influence in recruitment etc and be the engine room of the 'club'?