My England

[Muttley]

MrFrost wrote:

Your entitled to your opinion.
As for other countries, look at the two arrested for sharing a kiss in a resteraunt in Dubai.

But surely, going on what you've said above, they should have adapted their behaviour to respect the \"culture\" of the country they were in?  :dry:

[MrFrost]

Yes, they should have. I didn't say otherwise.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

Our culture, ie our way of life. We are free to live how we want and not follow rules set out by Allah for a start. We are free to marry who we choose, free to drink if we want. Free to gamble. A western culture is based around freedom. Where is the freedom for muslim women who are living in a western country? It makes no sense
We couldn't turn up in a muslim country and do these things and expect the natives to be happy about it, yet we accept burka's, arranged marriages etc here. Why?
Go to Bradford, Luton or parts of Birmingham which are rife with everything I have reffered to. Tell me you wouldn't feel threatened or intimidated walking through a muslim area. There are parts of Luton where white people wouldn't dream of going. Why should it be like that.
You say we should co exist. Thats fine. But adapt to how we live.

What you are failing to consider is that \"culture\" varies (rapidly) with time.

10 years ago you couldn't drink after 11pm.

20 years ago, black footballers had bananas thrown at them at English league games.

30 years ago, kids from our area expected to earn their living by manual labour in single-sex, underground workplaces.

40 years ago hardly any working class folk had ever set foot outside England, and most people would have vomited if given a Vindaloo to eat.

50 years ago, we had an unelected Earl as Prime Minister, gay men would be locked up for sodomy, abortion was illegal, kids born outside marriage were openly called \"bas**rds\" and divorce almost impossible to obtain and books with the word \"Kitson\" in them were banned by a bloke in a white curly wig.

60 years ago we still had an Empire and believed we ruled the world.

70 years ago prim and proper young English lasses who'd have blushed at thinking of kissing someone were having knee tremblers with black GIs.

80 years ago we thought it was acceptable for the kids of the unemployed to starve to death, or die because they couldn't afford hospital treatment.

Every generation finds its own equilibrium. One of the fascinating strength fo the British is the way that we have absorbed cultural influences from all over the world. We've changed beyond recognition in doing so. Imagine your great-grandad's generation dancing to R&B or marrying a black woman. Imagine your grandad's generation going out for a skinfull and a vindaloo.

Remind me. What's our definitive, consistent, unvarying \"culture\" again?

[newtownjoe1]

Sounds very French to me,my old cobber,Simon le Bondage and the HugeKnots.......

[Nudga]

\" One of the fascinating strength fo the British\"

And here you are beautifully embracing the black American culture, fookin love it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga wrote:

\" One of the fascinating strength fo the British\"

And here you are beautifully embracing the black American culture, fookin love it.

Yo mo-fo. Slip me some skin.





























On second thoughts, no. No, no, no, no, NO!

[Nudga]

Rasta blud clarrt, ya tink am batty man?

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Our culture, ie our way of life. We are free to live how we want and not follow rules set out by Allah for a start. We are free to marry who we choose, free to drink if we want. Free to gamble. A western culture is based around freedom. Where is the freedom for muslim women who are living in a western country? It makes no sense
We couldn't turn up in a muslim country and do these things and expect the natives to be happy about it, yet we accept burka's, arranged marriages etc here. Why?
Go to Bradford, Luton or parts of Birmingham which are rife with everything I have reffered to. Tell me you wouldn't feel threatened or intimidated walking through a muslim area. There are parts of Luton where white people wouldn't dream of going. Why should it be like that.
You say we should co exist. Thats fine. But adapt to how we live.

What you are failing to consider is that \"culture\" varies (rapidly) with time.

10 years ago you couldn't drink after 11pm.

20 years ago, black footballers had bananas thrown at them at English league games.

30 years ago, kids from our area expected to earn their living by manual labour in single-sex, underground workplaces.

40 years ago hardly any working class folk had ever set foot outside England, and most people would have vomited if given a Vindaloo to eat.

50 years ago, we had an unelected Earl as Prime Minister, gay men would be locked up for sodomy, abortion was illegal, kids born outside marriage were openly called \"bas**rds\" and divorce almost impossible to obtain and books with the word \"cnut\" in them were banned by a bloke in a white curly wig.

60 years ago we still had an Empire and believed we ruled the world.

70 years ago prim and proper young English lasses who'd have blushed at thinking of kissing someone were having knee tremblers with black GIs.

80 years ago we thought it was acceptable for the kids of the unemployed to starve to death, or die because they couldn't afford hospital treatment.

Every generation finds its own equilibrium. One of the fascinating strength fo the British is the way that we have absorbed cultural influences from all over the world. We've changed beyond recognition in doing so. Imagine your great-grandad's generation dancing to R&B or marrying a black woman. Imagine your grandad's generation going out for a skinfull and a vindaloo.

Remind me. What's our definitive, consistent, unvarying \"culture\" again?

Some good points. However, how happy would you be to see Sharia Law implemented into this country, which is what alot of muslims want to happen.

[Filo]

donnyjay wrote:

Nudga wrote:

Muttley wrote:

Good point Jucy

ENGLAND - even the name is Germanic in origin, meaning \"narrow land\"

I'm 45th generation Roman with a bit of Viking, Norman, Celt thrown in for good measure.

And we all apparently originated as homo sapiens from a very few places around the worled and spread out from there - look up the \"Cradle Of Civilisation\" near Johannesburg.

That's b*llocks, how could we have procreated if they were all bummers.

Well you're a dad aren't you?

Some one had it in for him  

[Thinwhiteduke]

Muttley wrote:

I'm 45th generation Roman with a bit of Viking, Norman, Celt thrown in for good measure.

Get this then.

Grandfather on my Dads side - Italian.

Grandfather on my Mums side - Dutch (captured on naval vessel during WWII and was Prisoner of War, settled here once war was over).

Throw all the Viking / Roman/ Norman/ Celt mix in on my Grandmothers' behalfs and Im really a mixed bag!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Muttley wrote:

I'm 45th generation Roman with a bit of Viking, Norman, Celt thrown in for good measure.

Get this then.

Grandfather on my Dads side - Italian.

Grandfather on my Mums side - Dutch (captured on naval vessel during WWII and was Prisoner of War, settled here once war was over).

Throw all the Viking / Roman/ Norman/ Celt mix in on my Grandmothers' behalfs and Im really a mixed bag!

Exactly. Exactly.

Royalists make a big play about the Queen being descended from William the Conqueror (who was French of course, but, c'est la vie). They don't follow up the strong evidence that she is also descended from Genghis Khan.
The point is that pretty much ALL of us are inter-related. Think about it. Average inter-generational age is, say 25 years. So, over 1000 years, there would be 40 generations.
 
Every generation, your ancestors double (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents etc)

So, 40 generations ago, you had 2 to the power 40 ancestors. Which is about 1 trillion. AND SO DID EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH TODAY.

But there were only about 200 million humans alive 1000 years ago. So, there weren't enough folk alive 1000 years ago for all of us alive today to have our own individual ancestors. Not by a factor of about 5000.

The only logical conclusion is that billions of us alive today had the same people for our ancestors. As recently as a few hundred years ago.

So, go back far enough in any \"English\" family tree and you will find an ancestor in common with people who today think of themselves as French, German, Swedish, Danish, Spanish, Italian, Russian, Polish, Turkish, African, Jewish, Arab or Chinese. Just like our darling Royal Family.

Go back far enough and even a lefty-t**t like me is related to the Queen. 'Course, I'm also related to Chairman Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Nelson Mandela and Osama bin Laden.

[Barmby Rover]

Strange, I would have put you down as Cicero, Alexander the Great,Heraclitus,Gaudi (after the Hillsborough thread) with a bit of Marquis de Sade thrown in.......


Look 'em up kids!

[German Rover]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Strange, I would have put you down as Cicero, Alexander the Great,Heraclitus,Gaudi (after the Hillsborough thread) with a bit of Marquis de Sade thrown in.......


Look 'em up kids!

Would have thrown in Catherine De Medici as well a really interesting woman, who used to put monkeys into fights with dwarves for entertainment.

[Barmby Rover]

Very good, but I am not too sure I would accuse BST of trannyism!

[jucyberry]

Lol, don't know about vertically challenged posters but BST certainly wages war on the small minded amongst us... If he wears a frock to do it only he will know....pmsl..

[German Rover]

You can't beat wearing a dress can see why women do it the only problem is getting hold of size 11 stilettos.

[jucyberry]

One of the sexiest things I have ever seen is Tim Curry in a basque and lippy..

wonder if that is the look...  

[German Rover]

If you can imagine a pissed up squaddie wobbling round a small town in the netherlands and you've got me las weekend

[jucyberry]

If you have sideburns you will now have a fan..lol

[BillyStubbsTears]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Strange, I would have put you down as Cicero, Alexander the Great,Heraclitus,Gaudi (after the Hillsborough thread) with a bit of Marquis de Sade thrown in.......


Look 'em up kids!

Aye. Them's all relatives an all but we don't talk to that side of the family.

And I've just realised that the logical conclusion of my argument us that I'm also a cousin of Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Littlejohn.

That's knacked my weekend, ah tell thi.

[jucyberry]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Strange, I would have put you down as Cicero, Alexander the Great,Heraclitus,Gaudi (after the Hillsborough thread) with a bit of Marquis de Sade thrown in.......


Look 'em up kids!

Aye. Them's all relatives an all but we don't talk to that side of the family.

And I've just realised that the logical conclusion of my argument us that I'm also a cousin of Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Littlejohn.

That's knacked my weekend, ah tell thi.

And quite probably a thought to send cold chills down your spine..........................





the editor of the Daily Mail.....................Evil  chortle coming from Norfolk......

[BillyStubbsTears]

jucyberry wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Strange, I would have put you down as Cicero, Alexander the Great,Heraclitus,Gaudi (after the Hillsborough thread) with a bit of Marquis de Sade thrown in.......


Look 'em up kids!

Aye. Them's all relatives an all but we don't talk to that side of the family.

And I've just realised that the logical conclusion of my argument us that I'm also a cousin of Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Littlejohn.

That's knacked my weekend, ah tell thi.

And quite probably a thought to send cold chills down your spine..........................





the editor of the Daily Mail.....................Evil  chortle coming from Norfolk......

The Daily Mail has an editor? Bugger me, you learn summar every day.

I thought the front page was designed by a computer program which was set up to randomly devise headlines including the words \"immigrant\", \"scrounger\", \"EU\", \"Scandal\", \"Tax\" and \"we're all going to die\".