England's worst ever team

[GM-MarkB]

Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan

[Filo]

GM-MarkB wrote:

Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan

The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around

[BobG]

Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG

[Akinfenwa]

The manager was McClaren wasn't it?

[Snods Shinpad 2]

No Geoff Thomas? No Don Revie?  

[GM-MarkB]

Akinfenwa wrote:

The manager was McClaren wasn't it?

Oh aye...my bad

[Hounslowrover]

Can't believe Jenas wasn't mentioned, over-rated like Dyer.  Very enjoyable, but like others, feel Bonetti unjustly in - wasn't it the substitution of Bobby Charlton at 2-0 (to rest him for the semis) the problem 'cos it allowed Beckenbauer to move forward instead of marking him.  Managers fault!

[Thinwhiteduke]

Id put Graham Taylor and Keegan ahead of Mclaren for worst manager accolade to be honest.

[jonrover]

BobG wrote:

Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG

Sorry Bob I disagree with you on that one! Schmichel is the best keeper the world has ever seen in my opinion. I happen to have seen his debut against the Rep of Ireland at Sir Matt Busby's testimonial, and when he threw the ball fully 50 yards the whole crowd gasped I shit you not!

[Filo]

jonrover wrote:

BobG wrote:

Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG

Sorry Bob I disagree with you on that one! Schmichel is the best keeper the world has ever seen in my opinion. I happen to have seen his debut against the Rep of Ireland at Sir Matt Busby's testimonial, and when he threw the ball fully 50 yards the whole crowd gasped I shit you not!

Sorry, Gordon Banks was without doubt the greatest ever Keeper followed by Sepp Mier and probably Dino Zoff

[jaypee247]

What about the great Neville Southall?  

[Donnydan]

Southall is Welsh.

[Thinwhiteduke]

What about the great Peter Shilton then?  

[jaypee247]

Big Nev was Welsh?  

Next you'll be telling me that Sepp Mier and Dino Zoff aren't English either.

 

[eastender]

Filo wrote:

GM-MarkB wrote:

Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan

The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around

Filo Banks was in goal for the 1-0 defeat to Brazil,he made that well known wonder save from Pele in the group game.

The game your thinking of is the quarter final match against West Germany.
Bonetti was in goal and got slaughtered for the defeat,but Sir Alf Ramsey as to take some of the blame, for taking Bobby Charlton off just after the Germans had pulled a goal back.
His reason for taking Charlton off was to save him for the final,but as Franz Beckenbauer said \"he couldn't believe his luck\" as he was man marking bobby and from there on in he ran the show for the Germans.

[Hounslowrover]

Cheers Eastender for confirming what I wrote earlier in the thread.

[BobG]

I'd add Lev Yashin to the list of world's greatest goalkeepers too. He was a bloody wondrous keeper.

Bob

[topnotch_Donny]

BobG wrote:

I'd add Lev Yashin to the list of world's greatest goalkeepers too. He was a bloody wondrous keeper.

Bob

Was he an irish keeper for spurs, Bob?

[topnotch_Donny]

Just googled it, a Russian. I should have known better with the name, but for some reason it rang a bell of a former Spurs & ireland international keeper, i have or been told about?

[BobG]

Nah Russian. He ended up in a real bad way in the end though. Had to have a leg amputated - though I can't remember why. Always felt real sorry for him. He was a good goalie.

Bob

[eastender]

Hounslowrover wrote:

Cheers Eastender for confirming what I wrote earlier in the thread.

Sorry Hounslow,i read Filo's post first and just replied to it.

[Filo]

eastender wrote:

Filo wrote:

GM-MarkB wrote:

Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan

The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around

Filo Banks was in goal for the 1-0 defeat to Brazil,he made that well known wonder save from Pele in the group game.

The game your thinking of is the quarter final match against West Germany.
Bonetti was in goal and got slaughtered for the defeat,but Sir Alf Ramsey as to take some of the blame, for taking Bobby Charlton off just after the Germans had pulled a goal back.
His reason for taking Charlton off was to save him for the final,but as Franz Beckenbauer said \"he couldn't believe his luck\" as he was man marking bobby and from there on in he ran the show for the Germans.

Yes you are correct, mind I was only 7 years old at the time, I remember crying when we got knocked out

[RobTheRover]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Just googled it, a Russian. I should have known better with the name, but for some reason it rang a bell of a former Spurs & ireland international keeper, i have or been told about?

I think you are thinking about Pat Jennings.  To my knowledge he never wore a black jersey with CCCP on the front.  Lev Yashin was nothing if utterly stylish.

[CusworthRovers]

If we are talking of goalies. I bet everyone rates this guy their favourite of all time. Watch the positive replies now.

[eastender]

I remember him well Mr C.

[video]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo[/video]

[BobG]

That ref was a disgrace. It was a damn good game - a game the French looked like winning. But that scoundrel in their goal and what can only be a ref who was either as bent as a nine bob note or utterly, utterly incompetant cost them the game. That French side was a really good one. They didn't win anything, but they could and would have done if the Gods had been on their side. Battiston refused to speak to that prick for donkeys years afterwards until some idiot TV station engineered a meeting. Battiston wasn't very thrilled to meet him!

Cheers

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

BobG wrote:

That ref was a disgrace. It was a damn good game - a game the French looked like winning. But that scoundrel in their goal and what can only be a ref who was either as bent as a nine bob note or utterly, utterly incompetant cost them the game. That French side was a really good one. They didn't win anything, but they could and would have done if the Gods had been on their side. Battiston refused to speak to that prick for donkeys years afterwards until some idiot TV station engineered a meeting. Battiston wasn't very thrilled to meet him!

Cheers

BobG

I remember sitting there in disbelief when the ref didn't show a red card to Schumacher. That was the nearest thing to manslaughter I have ever seen on a football pitch. And I've seen Alan Little play. And Billy Whitehurst. And I've played Sunday league football for the Goldthorpe Hotel.

Course the other weird thing about Spain 82 was that France ended the tournament looking like one of the most sophisticated football art forms in history, with all-time greats like Platini, Giresse, Tigana, Bossis, Rochteau, Six etc despite being arseholed by an England team including Paul Mariner, Mick Mills and Phil Neal in the first match.

[Viking Don]

Just when we thought the Germans could be trusted...