Serve the time or life?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

BST - It worries me that most of the people who call for the death penalty seem to think it would give them some sort of personal satisfaction.

Which is why my suggestion that they consider Sharia Law wasn't flippant. I mean, if it's vengeance that they are after, why stop at a lethal injection? Why not have public stonings where we can all join in?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I think Crass got it right thirty years ago:

Crass - Mother Earth

\"Now that the sun have vowed is light
And bid the world good night;
To the soft bed my body I dispose,
But where were shall my soul repose?
Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother?
Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother?
Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother?
Mother? She's the anti-mother, mommy is that you?
She's the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?
It's Myra Hindley on the cover,
Your very own sweet anti-mother.
There she is on the pages of The Star,
Ain't that just the place you wish you were?
Let her rot in hell is what you said,
Let her rot, let her starve, you'd see her dead.
Let her out but don't forget to tell you where she is,
The chance to screw her is a chance you wouldn't miss.
Let her suffer, give her pain is the verdict you gave,
You just can't wait to piss on her grave.
You pretend that you're horrified, make out that you care,
But really you wish that you had been there.
You say you can't bear the thought of what she did,
But you'd do it to her, you'd see her dead.
Tell me, what is the difference between her and you?
You say that you would kill her, well, what else would you do?
Don't you see that violence has no end? Isn't limited by rules?
Don't you see as angels preaching you're nothing but the fools?
Fools step in, where angels fear to tread,
You see, to kill others is the ethic of the dead.
She's the anti-mother, mommy is that you?
She's the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?
That single mug shot from the past
Ensures your fantasy can last and last.
It gives you the chance to air your hate
Because she got there first, you were too late.
Hindleys' crime was to do what others think,
Took her anger and her prejudice and pushed it to the brink.
Then you goodly christian people, with your sickly mask of love,
Would tear that woman limb from limb, you'd never get enough.
So you keep the story alive,
So you can make yourselves believe,
That you are so much better than her.
But you aren't, that's YOUR GUILT laying there.
She's the anti-mother, mommy is that you?
She's the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?
She's the anti-mother, mommy is that you?
She's the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?
Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother?\"

[george-friend]

Torture them for a while then leave them to die on a cross.

[CusworthRovers]

I am happy with my thoughts and I repeat I would gladly sign the papers for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow. No probs whatsoever.

[donnyjay]

CusworthRovers wrote:

I would gladly sign the papers for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow.

I don't think taking them to a party at Nudga's house is the answer.

[Nudga]

donnyjay wrote:

CusworthRovers wrote:

I would gladly sign the papers for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow.

I don't think taking them to a party at Nudga's house is the answer.

That's where they were 2hrs BEFORE they did what they did.

[donnyjay]

Nudga wrote:

donnyjay wrote:

CusworthRovers wrote:

I would gladly sign the papers for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow.

I don't think taking them to a party at Nudga's house is the answer.

That's where they were 2hrs BEFORE they did what they did.

Lol.
       What do you think tipped them over the edge? Was it the gimp outfits you made them wear or the double-ended Black Mambas you made them use?

[jucyberry]

Or did you just get them to hold your tea towels?  

[Ian H]

CusworthRovers wrote:

I am happy with my thoughts and I repeat I would gladly sign the papers for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow. No probs whatsoever.

Wow - That's weird - to be happy with thoughts like that?

[CusworthRovers]

You're happy for Huntly to live a decent life of luxury albeit in Prison, when he has destroyed so many lives.............weird

[BillyStubbsTears]

CusworthRovers wrote:

You're happy for Huntly to live a decent life of luxury albeit in Prison, when he has destroyed so many lives.............weird

Whether you agree or not with killing Huntley, there's still the practical question: How do you tell for CERTAIN which 100% definitely guilty murderers are actually 100% definitely guilty?

And if you don't know that for certain, then you will end up murdering (for that us what it would be) innocents like Kiszko. We know that because it's happened in the past in this country and it happens in America today.

So, unless you think that's just an unfortunate side effect that is a price worth paying for your blood lust, the whole issue is just a hypothetical debate.

[turnbull for england]

even on the clearest cut cases I think its too easy an option just to 'hang em high'. Knowing that Huntly has made several attempts on his own life satifies me that the system works, perhaps hes an attention seeking maniac, but just maybe a flicker of conscience has kicked in, or hes fed up of being permanently sh$t frightened of all those around him, but the chance to give him that time, so he can experience every day just little of what he put his victims through is surely the a greater punishment,and id hate to deny him of that with some sanctioned painless process granting greater noteriety - as rest assured whatever made him do it whould not have been influenced by any possible punishment

[Ian H]

CusworthRovers wrote:

You're happy for Huntly to live a decent life of luxury albeit in Prison, when he has destroyed so many lives.............weird

I'm assuming that you're suggesting that I've stated somewhere that I'm happy for Ian Huntley to live a decent life of luxury - I don't recall that.

I do recall you implying that you would be happy to sign death warrants for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow and that is the bit that I wouldn't be comfortable with.

In amongst \"all the others\" could well be a dodgy conviction and I couldn't declare myself to be happy to allow an innocent person to be put to death.

You are happy with your choice, I am comfortable with mine.

[Filo]

Ian H wrote:

CusworthRovers wrote:

You're happy for Huntly to live a decent life of luxury albeit in Prison, when he has destroyed so many lives.............weird

I'm assuming that you're suggesting that I've stated somewhere that I'm happy for Ian Huntley to live a decent life of luxury - I don't recall that.

I do recall you implying that you would be happy to sign death warrants for Huntly, Brady, Sutcliffe, the Ipswich guy, the crossbow killer and all the others to swing tomorrow and that is the bit that I wouldn't be comfortable with.

In amongst \"all the others\" could well be a dodgy conviction and I couldn't declare myself to be happy to allow an innocent person to be put to death.

You are happy with your choice, I am comfortable with mine.

They still burn witches at the stake where Cussie was brought up

[Glyn_Wigley]

CusworthRovers wrote:

You're happy for Huntly to live a decent life of luxury albeit in Prison, when he has destroyed so many lives.............weird

I love it when someone comes out with the 'prison is luxury' line, as if they'd volunteer to swap places with them for the rest of their lives.

[Bentley Bullet]

After reading this thread and pondering several poster's fears about innocent people being put to death, I wonder how many of those very same people celebrated the death of Jade Goody on this forum?

[Ian H]

Wow - that's quite a leap. Why would anyone have celebrated the death of Ms Goody?

[MrFrost]

Bentley Bullet wrote:

After reading this thread and pondering several poster's fears about innocent people being put to death, I wonder how many of those very same people celebrated the death of Jade Goody on this forum?

I'm not sure, but I bet there are plenty who'll be celebrating when Maggie dies.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bentley Bullet wrote:

After reading this thread and pondering several poster's fears about innocent people being put to death, I wonder how many of those very same people celebrated the death of Jade Goody on this forum?

Fu-cki-nghell. Are you telling me Jade Goody were executed? On this very forum?  Oh aye - I'd have paid to watch that.

[CusworthRovers]

There is no winner in this debate, but interesting all the same.

When I name those named people, I am happy that they are guilty and those of a similar nature. Nothing you say will sway my thoughts on this. I'm not naming domestic murderers etc etc to be destroyed. I am in the mind that an undeniable menace to society that will, or will likely kill innocent kids or adults as no place on this earth.

The term living in luxury is married up, or comparable to what they have left behind, rather than living in a Yacht in St Tropez. After all what kind of luxury are the victims living in now??, or their families, extended families, friends, colleagues, acquaintances etc etc.