Angela Rayner

[i_ateallthepies]

So it's not the same then DD?

[Not Now Kato]

We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport

Did you miss the bit about residency rights?

Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue

But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren.  And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?

If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.

Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?

Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
 
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'? 

Did you actually read my reply?

Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?

Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.

The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
 
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
 

[Bristol Red Rover]

How does Rayner get away with bleatng on about danger when there was none? When she watched someone shje knew get rough dragged out after pointing out to her that members of hos family had been killed in Gaza. And that Rayner who had previously supported Palestine is now supporting Israel. The Labour machine deflected the flak she was getting by bringing up the danger issue, relating it to past murders of MPs. Cynical and disgusting.

[Sprotyrover]

We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport

Did you miss the bit about residency rights?

Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue

But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren.  And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?

If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.

Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?

Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
 
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'? 

Did you actually read my reply?

Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?

Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.

The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
 
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
 

All those useless no hopers that Merkel let in and the useless anti social very dangerous no hopers the Stupid Swedes let in , have ‘ to come over here and have no EU Given right to screw our country.’
If you want to see the wonderful benefits to our society that the drop outs from Eastern Europe have contributed, go and have a walk around Hexthorpe, East Dene and Paige Hall!

[danumdon]

We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport

Did you miss the bit about residency rights?

Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue

But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren.  And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?

If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.

Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?

Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
 
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'? 

Did you actually read my reply?

Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?

Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.

The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
 
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
 

So basically you can't answer my question.

The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.

I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD

Pipe down and think about it for a moment.

Here's a random example. Companies in the Netherlands who want to hire non-UK staff have to register  as a "referent" with the Government. There's a few of €2500-5000 depending on the type of company, plus the admin and of course the agro if something goes awry.

If you run a company in the Netherlands and you have two identically able applicants for a job, 1 from Donny and 1 from Hamburg, which one are you going to pick?

You can argue the scale of the barriers by all means, but don't try to claim Brexit hasn't put barriers up.

[danumdon]

DD

Pipe down and think about it for a moment.

Here's a random example. Companies in the Netherlands who want to hire non-UK staff have to register  as a "referent" with the Government. There's a few of €2500-5000 depending on the type of company, plus the admin and of course the agro if something goes awry.

If you run a company in the Netherlands and you have two identically able applicants for a job, 1 from Donny and 1 from Hamburg, which one are you going to pick?

You can argue the scale of the barriers by all means, but don't try to claim Brexit hasn't put barriers up.

BST, You have fallen into the same blinkered trap as the other fella.i didn't try to claim anything about Brexit or any barriers.

So do you want to have a go at answering the question, can you or can you not get a job in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset?

Simple question!

[Iberian Red]

We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport

Did you miss the bit about residency rights?

Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue

But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren.  And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?

If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.

Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?

Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
 
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'? 

Did you actually read my reply?

Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?

Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.

The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
 
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
 

So basically you can't answer my question.

The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.

I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.

DD,your view is so simplistic.
It wasn't just barriers that changed,it was mentalities that changed.
For a good few years I was involved in a program sending EU nationals to work for the NHS,from nurses(who are more qualified in the EU than Britain),thro to surgeons,oncologists,you name it.
When Brexit happened,they just thought'fuct it'.,why would we want to work in a country where we aren't wanted.
Those workers could adapt far more easily culturally than say somebody from Asia. We had a work force on our doorstep and turned our back on it.
We all know someone personally that has needed oncologists or heart/brain surgeons .I know many specialists that left Britain for that reason.
We shot ourselves in the balloxs.
For somebody that has said they are from an Italian background,you should understand that better than anyone,unless maybe you were from Duce background.
 

[danumdon]

We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport

Did you miss the bit about residency rights?

Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue

But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren.  And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?

If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.

Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?

Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
 
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'? 

Did you actually read my reply?

Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?

Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.

The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
 
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
 

So basically you can't answer my question.

The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.

I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.

DD,your view is so simplistic.
It wasn't just barriers that changed,it was mentalities that changed.
For a good few years I was involved in a program sending EU nationals to work for the NHS,from nurses(who are more qualified in the EU than Britain),thro to surgeons,oncologists,you name it.
When Brexit happened,they just thought'fuct it'.,why would we want to work in a country where we aren't wanted.
Those workers could adapt far more easily culturally than say somebody from Asia. We had a work force on our doorstep and turned our back on it.
We all know someone personally that has needed oncologists or heart/brain surgeons .I know many specialists that left Britain for that reason.
We shot ourselves in the balloxs.
For somebody that has said they are from an Italian background,you should understand that better than anyone,unless maybe you were from Duce background.
 

Funny that my view was so simplistic that you neglected to answer the question and proceeded into a diatribe about NHS workers!

As for your last paragraph, classy.

[SydneyRover]

''As a rule of thumb for Germany: UK citizens need a long stay (D) visa and work permit (e.g. blue card) to work for more than three months. For shorter term employment, you need a work visa (C visa).

The short stay work visa is for ‘economic activities’. Some professional activities such as standard business travel (e.g. business meeting, workshops) and a variety of cultural, academic and sports activities may be carried out without the need for a visa as they are not classed as an economic activity. Find more details on the German consulate website.

We found other EU-countries have similar arrangements, however rarely published online. For detailed advice please contact the specific EU-consulate or an immigration lawyer''

https://www.apply.eu/brexit/#:~:text=The%20entry%2Fexit%20system%20(EES,start%20on%206%20October%202024.&text=As%20a%20rule%20of%20thumb,work%20visa%20(C%20visa).

So you can't just wander over there on the off chance then?

[danumdon]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

[SydneyRover]

Is any of this from first hand experience at all DD?

Rights and visas are apparently important. it's what brexiteers wanted to impose on those coming to the uk, no?

Of course the tories always want to stretch the envelope ............

“British homes for British people”

[BillyStubbsTears]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

DD. Cut it with the silly insults. Doesn't help anything.

Would you accept that Brexit has made it harder for a SUK national to work in the EU? And that by definition, the "Skillset" that you now need to do so is higher than it was for any specific job?

[Not Now Kato]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
 

Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries

And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.

You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject.  Why did you do that?
 
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU.  We no longer have that right.
 
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

[Sprotyrover]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
 

Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries

And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.

You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject.  Why did you do that?
 
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU.  We no longer have that right.
 
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!

[Bentley Bullet]

Before Brexit, there were almost three times more EU immigrants living in the UK than Brits living elsewhere in the entire EU.

[SydneyRover]

Got any figures regarding net immigration before and after brexit bb?

[Sprotyrover]

Got any figures regarding net immigration before and after brexit bb?

why would that be of interest to you! Being as you abandoned your country of birth for OZ!

[SydneyRover]

I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot

[Sprotyrover]

I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot

No you have got that wrong you mean impertinent questions and it’s stuff that doesn’t concern you any more does it?

[Colin C No.3]

I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot

Sydney, what’s a sprot & would it beat a water buffalo in a fight?

[SydneyRover]

I should think a sprot is def not a rolf, but the tales of what is being observed in the vehicles parked around where sprot is, def have me more than a little concerned

[Not Now Kato]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
 

Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries

And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.

You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject.  Why did you do that?
 
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU.  We no longer have that right.
 
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!

Hmmm.  Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
 
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently?  Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.

[danumdon]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
 

Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries

And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.

You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject.  Why did you do that?
 
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU.  We no longer have that right.
 
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!

Hmmm.  Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
 
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently?  Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.

Your doing it again

Your conflating buying property abroad (and specifically in the EU) as if its something that's been snatched away from you and you will never be able to do anything about it.

Just what is wrong with you people. If you want to buy a property abroad and live their permanently you just have to apply for the relevant visa, complete the required residency requirement and then apply for citizenship if you wish. It's not rocket science and its not something that UK citizens cannot do if they wish.

Granted its not as easy as it was prior to Brexit and as things stand if you have no intention to stay longer you will be restricted to 180 days in any one year but its still something that any prospective buyer can and should be able to do so. It also looks like certain countries are going to buck the trend and allow more lenient stays for UK folk, so not quite "the end of the world as we know it"

You make it sound like we have become an alien race, grow up and act your age your arguments are all doable, your kids, grand kids, ect still have options.

[SydneyRover]

And if you were a scientist ............ 09/2023

''UK’s years out of EU Horizon programme did ‘untold damage’, say scientists, Relief at rejoining flagship research scheme tempered by anger over loss of top academics since Brexit''

''Britain may have rescued its scientific fortunes with a last-minute decision to rejoin the EU’s Horizon research programme – but the move should not be treated as a cause for jubilation, scientists have warned.

The sluggish pace at which the agreement was reached has had too severe an impact on UK research for widespread elation, say many British researchers, who believe that science in this country suffered a major blow after being locked out of the £82bn programme for almost three years since Brexit. Putting it right has taken far too long, they argue.

Since 2020 the UK government has been negotiating to rejoin Horizon after its membership was blocked because of the protracted dispute over Northern Ireland’s trading rules.

Last week’s final announcement that ministers had decided to go ahead with rejoining Horizon was greeted with joy and relief by many senior scientists.

But some of their colleagues have since warned that being locked out of Horizon for so long has done irreversible damage to UK science. This was a time when Britain could have taken key leading roles in major programmes on climate change, AI and new medicines''

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/sep/09/britain-eu-horizon-programme-scientists-research-scheme-flagship

[Sprotyrover]

And if you were a scientist ............ 09/2023

''UK’s years out of EU Horizon programme did ‘untold damage’, say scientists, Relief at rejoining flagship research scheme tempered by anger over loss of top academics since Brexit''

''Britain may have rescued its scientific fortunes with a last-minute decision to rejoin the EU’s Horizon research programme – but the move should not be treated as a cause for jubilation, scientists have warned.

The sluggish pace at which the agreement was reached has had too severe an impact on UK research for widespread elation, say many British researchers, who believe that science in this country suffered a major blow after being locked out of the £82bn programme for almost three years since Brexit. Putting it right has taken far too long, they argue.

Since 2020 the UK government has been negotiating to rejoin Horizon after its membership was blocked because of the protracted dispute over Northern Ireland’s trading rules.

Last week’s final announcement that ministers had decided to go ahead with rejoining Horizon was greeted with joy and relief by many senior scientists.

But some of their colleagues have since warned that being locked out of Horizon for so long has done irreversible damage to UK science. This was a time when Britain could have taken key leading roles in major programmes on climate change, AI and new medicines''

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/sep/09/britain-eu-horizon-programme-scientists-research-scheme-flagship

Delete that stupid post idiot what has it got to do with the OP!

[drfchound]

Trying to find something to have  banter about with his little coterie.

[Not Now Kato]

You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.

Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.

You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.

That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.

That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.

The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
 

Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries

And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.

You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject.  Why did you do that?
 
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU.  We no longer have that right.
 
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?

It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!

Hmmm.  Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
 
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently?  Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.

Your doing it again

Your conflating buying property abroad (and specifically in the EU) as if its something that's been snatched away from you and you will never be able to do anything about it.

Just what is wrong with you people. If you want to buy a property abroad and live their permanently you just have to apply for the relevant visa, complete the required residency requirement and then apply for citizenship if you wish. It's not rocket science and its not something that UK citizens cannot do if they wish.

Granted its not as easy as it was prior to Brexit and as things stand if you have no intention to stay longer you will be restricted to 180 days in any one year but its still something that any prospective buyer can and should be able to do so. It also looks like certain countries are going to buck the trend and allow more lenient stays for UK folk, so not quite "the end of the world as we know it"

You make it sound like we have become an alien race, grow up and act your age your arguments are all doable, your kids, grand kids, ect still have options.

I'm not conflating anything.  It's simply a question of fact that anyone holding only a UK passport cannot buy a property in the EU and go and live there in perpetuity as they could, without let, before Brexit.
 
We are a 3rd Country so far as the EU are concerned and in the above respect, and in many others, we are treated no differently to someone from, for example, The Gambia.  Their rules mean that we can't be treated differently, because if they changed a rule for us then they'd have to change them for all 3rd Countries.
 
UK ex pats residing in the EU prior to Brexit were permitted to apply for residency and many/most did.  I do know of one person who failed to apply by the end date and who is now bound by the 90 day rule, (it's 90 in 180 not 180 in a year).  He has subsequently tried to apply for a visa and has been turned down.  He even knows the local mayor personally but that hasn't helped either!
 
I personally also know people who bought properties in Spain with a view to living there when they retire and who are now bound by the 90 day rule. They can, of course, apply for a visa - but there's no guarantee they will be accepted.
 
You make it sound like it's easy for anybody to simply buy, move and live over there, it isn't - try it yourself and see.