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Danum I’m not supporting the Lib Dems I’m just suggesting that some Tory voters could defect to them that won’t vote Labour under any circumstances
Billy will that be enough to carry them through. Let’s not forget there is still a lot of sympathy and support for the J Corbyns of the party
Quote from: phil old leake on June 07, 2022, 12:01:58 amDanum I’m not supporting the Lib Dems I’m just suggesting that some Tory voters could defect to them that won’t vote Labour under any circumstancesPhil, no worries i was just pointing out that the Lib Dems have been found out by the other parties that in a coalition situation they stifle any sort of agenda and progression that the larger party wanted to implement, the Tories found out in 2010, Labour had their fill in the 70's with Callaghan's gov being dropped in the sh*t by them.I think any party would be thinking very carefully about entering into any arrangement with these shysters, i just cant see a Labour party in this day and age agreeing to any coalition with minor parties as they would be completely held to ransom by them having to agree to unpalatable policies.
Talk tonight of a potential Labour /SNP coalition or some kind of support for each other at the next electionCan you imagine this county of our (The UK) being run by any party where the SNP have any influence There’s also the issue of a potential leadership change in the Labour Party I’d KS and AR have to resign if they have been found to have breached the rules There’s too many yet to happen factors before the next election. The maBig winners may yet be the Lib Dems. Disenfranchised true tories won’t vote Labour but they might vote Lib Dems It could be a very interesting few months with lots of twists and turns. Nothing is a shoe in at this stage
This sums up the response from leading Tories. https://mobile.twitter.com/t0nyyates/status/1534084940278779904
I hope they have taken all sharp instruments away from the cabinet
Labour had a confidence and supply arrangement with the Libs during Callaghan's reign, so not strictly in coalition but in all intents and purpose it led to the same outcomes.
Quote from: danumdon on June 07, 2022, 01:34:47 amLabour had a confidence and supply arrangement with the Libs during Callaghan's reign, so not strictly in coalition but in all intents and purpose it led to the same outcomes.A coalition would have had Liberal members of the Cabinet and they wouldn't have voted against a Government they were part of.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 07, 2022, 01:47:37 pmQuote from: danumdon on June 07, 2022, 01:34:47 amLabour had a confidence and supply arrangement with the Libs during Callaghan's reign, so not strictly in coalition but in all intents and purpose it led to the same outcomes.A coalition would have had Liberal members of the Cabinet and they wouldn't have voted against a Government they were part of.The Liberals did what they should have done in 2010, they should of supported where they agreed and abstained or voted against where they disagreed, If these people keep harping on about PR then that was the exact time to force the issue, rather than go into coalition and have a complete damp squib of a PR referendum, they should of just offered the tories a confidence and supply arrangement, this would of allowed them to pick and choose their support on any policy that the biggest party suggested.The fact that Clegg decided that he wanted all the trimmings of being deputy leader meant that instead of doing what was best for the country and forcing another election they enabled a period of austerity that did the vast majority no good whatsoever. Typical Liberals, stand for nothing, carp from the sidelines and hope to get a sniff of power off the coattails of someone else.|How anyone can vote for these professional agitators who stand for nothing and if able to would ride roughshod over democratic principles. Disgraceful people. Don't even get me started of the current leader, who i'm sure certain individuals on here would not be very complementary to his handling of the energy and climate change gig when in power.looks like a good proportion of the current issues could be laid down at the door of this quisling.
Well the blonde buffoon survives till the day he hmmm doesn't I suppose .Which in reality plays out that the Tory Party will eat itself and virtually hand the next GE to a coalition government made up of Labour , SNP and possibly the Dems .A word of warning though .So much as hint at a return to the EU in any shape or form either pre election or post from any potential Government coalition and I can guarantee you'll put the Tories back in the game and once back in the game you can pretty much work out how that plays out at the ballot box .So I'd respectively suggest to the active remainers , kindly shut the feck up .
Quote from: albie on June 06, 2022, 09:39:06 pmIt would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.1) The time left for a replacement is now going to be much less than it would have been if they'd done Johnson in tonight.2) Whoever the replacement is, it will be someone who voted for Johnson tonight. Gold dust for a Labour campaign.3) The run up to the next election is going to be one of continued economic difficulty. Not brilliant for a new leader. 4) The Tory coalition now requires a leader to win support in Sevenoakes and Sunderland. That was Johnson's genius. It's a tough act to follow.5) The state of the potential replacements...
It would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 07, 2022, 05:11:31 pmWell the blonde buffoon survives till the day he hmmm doesn't I suppose .Which in reality plays out that the Tory Party will eat itself and virtually hand the next GE to a coalition government made up of Labour , SNP and possibly the Dems .A word of warning though .So much as hint at a return to the EU in any shape or form either pre election or post from any potential Government coalition and I can guarantee you'll put the Tories back in the game and once back in the game you can pretty much work out how that plays out at the ballot box .So I'd respectively suggest to the active remainers , kindly shut the feck up .I thought it was significant when arch Tory Brexiteer, Daniel Hannon wrote in the weekends Telegraph that leaving the single market may not have been the best idea.I think the government has an enormous headache over Northern Ireland, there is no clear route forward, Brexit is stalled. The obvious way to unjam and retain the integrity of the U.K. would be to give way and remain in the single market. It would also solve problems at Dover.If Boris wants to get Brexit done quickly then, I wonder if Hannon wasn't flagging the way?