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Title: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 27, 2015, 04:48:25 pm
Right it's decision time. I am aware of an undercurrent on this forum that doesn't like me. So as a true democrat I'm going to put it to the vote. Over to you.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2015, 04:56:01 pm
Stay.  It is a free country and we are free to disagree with you as many do.

By the way, you are not the "Voice of Reason".  I was - that was my username on 606 around 10 years ago!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: afro goal machine on January 27, 2015, 04:59:36 pm
1 up
Stay your interesting

Get in !

;-)
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Marydene Rover on January 27, 2015, 05:15:22 pm
Mick must stay he gives this leftie board some much needed balance.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: River Don on January 27, 2015, 05:21:41 pm
Stay but not for the options given in the poll.

You might be an egotistical, pedantic, annoying, wind up merchant but you are prepared to present the alternative opinions that usually don't go down well on here.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Dagenham Rover on January 27, 2015, 05:34:13 pm
Can you add another option

"Stay even though I'm a irritating git"
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: wilts rover on January 27, 2015, 05:53:21 pm
Mick must stay he gives this leftie board some much needed balance.

Do votes from family members count double?

I think you are entertaining and quite funny and cant see why you would wish to leave? Some people take posts on a football forum a little too seriously...
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Bentley Bullet on January 27, 2015, 07:21:00 pm
You should stay.......

Because what is a bloke, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels
The record shows you took the blows but did it your way!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Iberian Red on January 27, 2015, 10:49:11 pm
Mick must stay he gives this leftie board some much needed balance.

You are a reincarnation of Sweepyface Face and I claim my fiver.
Equally you have a face like a ball bag, it's those baggy eyes.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Sandy Lane on January 27, 2015, 11:05:36 pm
Stay. 

I don't usually agree with your views, and it has taken me a while to enjoy them, but I do find the posts between you and BST entertaining, and I usually learn from them. 

But I find that I admire your ability to ignore jabs and let things roll off your back, can you maybe lighten up a bit and not be so pedantic?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 27, 2015, 11:41:49 pm
Mick must stay he gives this leftie board some much needed balance.

Do votes from family members count double?

I think you are entertaining and quite funny and cant see why you would wish to leave? Some people take posts on a football forum a little too seriously...

I'm not saying I want to leave. I was beginning to form the impression that I was not wanted around here. Being a magnanimous soul I decided to put myself up for eviction. I always thought the silent majority were with me even if they didn't always agree with me.

But the way Billy and BobG were having a go at me lead me to question that feeling before deciding I was right all along. I know they are both revered around here so I just wanted to check what the real feeling of the forum was. I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people take things far too seriously.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 27, 2015, 11:46:42 pm
Stay. 

I don't usually agree with your views, and it has taken me a while to enjoy them, but I do find the posts between you and BST entertaining, and I usually learn from them. 

But I find that I admire your ability to ignore jabs and let things roll off your back, can you maybe lighten up a bit and not be so pedantic?

I hear what you say. If I'm not evicted from the forum I will desist in future from being pedantic (to the best of my ability).
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Dr Fundlekrotch on January 28, 2015, 08:19:50 am
Haven't you done yourself down a bit with the poll, Mick, with three options for 'Go' and only two for 'Stay'? 

As it happens, I won't vote, because the issue of who posts on here has absolutely nothing to do with me.  As with any forum user, I can read their posts or not.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: RobTheRover on January 28, 2015, 08:51:34 am
Up to you,  Mick. No one is forcing you out and you clearly can stand your ground in an argument, even in the face of overwhelming evidence proving you wrong.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2015, 09:08:59 am
You should stay.......

Because what is a bloke, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels
The record shows you took the blows but did it your way!

Frank's version, or Sid's?

"And now the end is near, and so I face the final curtain,
You Kitson, I'm not a queer..."
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Donnywolf on January 28, 2015, 12:27:03 pm
Mick must stay he gives this leftie board some much needed balance.

Do votes from family members count double?

I think you are entertaining and quite funny and cant see why you would wish to leave? Some people take posts on a football forum a little too seriously...


.... and they DONT have to read a word you write after all ! They could just ignore you as they seem to do with me !
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Donnywolf on January 28, 2015, 12:29:50 pm
Haven't you done yourself down a bit with the poll, Mick, with three options for 'Go' and only two for 'Stay'? 

As it happens, I won't vote, because the issue of who posts on here has absolutely nothing to do with me.  As with any forum user, I can read their posts or not.

Hear Hear        (or here here as lots of people seem to think it is)
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 28, 2015, 01:21:49 pm
Haven't you done yourself down a bit with the poll, Mick, with three options for 'Go' and only two for 'Stay'? 

As it happens, I won't vote, because the issue of who posts on here has absolutely nothing to do with me.  As with any forum user, I can read their posts or not.

I know I made it harder for myself but that's because I'm such a magnanimous soul. I think I've seen enough now. Despite this forum being a den of vipers for lefties, there is more than enough support for me to decide to stay. Fair play to those of you that disagree with me but have voted for me to stay. Those who voted for me to stay, I thank you for your support and I will move forward with renewed vigour.

Long live free speech!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: jucyberry on January 28, 2015, 05:01:02 pm
Well, you are a funny little ferret 99.9% of the time but there are millions in the world that are worse. Most of the time I want to thump you it's true but no one should feel forced away. Besides I have a theory.. Like Katie Hopkins I think there must be a fairly likeable person inside the irritating persona you delight in projecting..... ;)
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 28, 2015, 07:30:55 pm
Well, you are a funny little ferret 99.9% of the time but there are millions in the world that are worse. Most of the time I want to thump you it's true but no one should feel forced away. Besides I have a theory.. Like Katie Hopkins I think there must be a fairly likeable person inside the irritating persona you delight in projecting..... ;)

I'm glad you find me amusing. I try not to take things too seriously.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2015, 12:53:31 am
Of course you should stay you daft get.

Every forum needs a resident pub bore. It reminds the rest of us how lucky we are.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: grayx on January 30, 2015, 10:35:44 pm
GO.
 Bye-Bye
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on January 30, 2015, 11:10:53 pm
GO.
 Bye-Bye

Look, there's no need for you to go just because the majority of people want me to stay. Talk about being a bad loser.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: jucyberry on January 31, 2015, 12:03:06 am
Well, you are a funny little ferret 99.9% of the time but there are millions in the world that are worse. Most of the time I want to thump you it's true but no one should feel forced away. Besides I have a theory.. Like Katie Hopkins I think there must be a fairly likeable person inside the irritating persona you delight in projecting..... ;)

Oh bless you, round here a funny little ferret is some one a bit rum, a bit quaint.. And to be fair you do apologise when you realise you have gone too far...Well to me anyway.

 You do make me chuckle at times though... When you aren't Billy baiting that is. :)

I'm glad you find me amusing. I try not to take things too seriously.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Orlandokarla on January 31, 2015, 11:21:09 pm
Stay.
Every village needs an idiot, and I'm sure you make many people feel better about themselves.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 08:57:50 am
Stay. 

I don't usually agree with your views, and it has taken me a while to enjoy them, but I do find the posts between you and BST entertaining, and I usually learn from them. 

But I find that I admire your ability to ignore jabs and let things roll off your back, can you maybe lighten up a bit and not be so pedantic?

If only Cameron would agree to debate with his opposition like IC1967 & BST, he was only elected to serve the country does he have the right to refuse to debate with other leaders, i don't understand the fear.

I've decided to send Dave a copy of my debates with silly Billy so he can see how easy it is to expose leftie drivel. Hopefully my 100% record of never having lost a debate to a leftie will inspire Dave to take on  Milliband. I just wish I was prime minister. I'd make Ed look daft and would ensure a landslide Tory victory.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Filo on February 01, 2015, 09:12:24 am
Stay. 

I don't usually agree with your views, and it has taken me a while to enjoy them, but I do find the posts between you and BST entertaining, and I usually learn from them. 

But I find that I admire your ability to ignore jabs and let things roll off your back, can you maybe lighten up a bit and not be so pedantic?

If only Cameron would agree to debate with his opposition like IC1967 & BST, he was only elected to serve the country does he have the right to refuse to debate with other leaders, i don't understand the fear.

I've decided to send Dave a copy of my debates with silly Billy so he can see how easy it is to expose leftie drivel. Hopefully my 100% record of never having lost a debate to a leftie will inspire Dave to take on  Milliband. I just wish I was prime minister. I'd make Ed look daft and would ensure a landslide Tory victory.

Will you be sending him a complimentary copy of your book of lies?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 09:21:52 am
Stay. 

I don't usually agree with your views, and it has taken me a while to enjoy them, but I do find the posts between you and BST entertaining, and I usually learn from them. 

But I find that I admire your ability to ignore jabs and let things roll off your back, can you maybe lighten up a bit and not be so pedantic?

If only Cameron would agree to debate with his opposition like IC1967 & BST, he was only elected to serve the country does he have the right to refuse to debate with other leaders, i don't understand the fear.



I've decided to send Dave a copy of my debates with silly Billy so he can see how easy it is to expose leftie drivel. Hopefully my 100% record of never having lost a debate to a leftie will inspire Dave to take on  Milliband. I just wish I was prime minister. I'd make Ed look daft and would ensure a landslide Tory victory.

Will you be sending him a complimentary copy of your book of lies?

Evidence man. Where is it?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Filo on February 01, 2015, 09:24:01 am
Like I said in the other post yesterday, which you've failed to respond to, would you like me to reinstate the post that exposes you as a lier?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 09:44:08 am
Like I said in the other post yesterday, which you've failed to respond to, would you like me to reinstate the post that exposes you as a lier?

There is a perfectly reasonable explanation for what you are on about. Have you looked at the timings of the posts? No I didn't think so.

Now you have said there is a book of lies. I hereby issue you and all your leftie mates a challenge. Now a book to me seems like it would have at least 200 lies in it. However I will make it easy for you. Out of the thousands of posts I've done it should be easy to find just 20. If you can achieve this modest goal I will forward them to Dave and will immediately leave the forum.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Filo on February 01, 2015, 09:45:45 am
So do you want me to reinstate that post, it's a simple yes or no Mick, over to you?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 09:59:11 am
So do you want me to reinstate that post, it's a simple yes or no Mick, over to you?

This is silly question. However I will answer it as you are so persistent if you will answer whether you accept my challenge or not. Over to you.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Filo on February 01, 2015, 10:10:29 am
Mick I'm not playing your games, i've asked you this question several times yesterday, so far you've failed to respond, that in itself is an admission that you deleted a post and then asked posters for evidence of it, trying to make out that other posters were lieing. I have evidence, you know I have, would you like me to provide that evidence by reinstating the post?

Yes or No?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 10:24:17 am
Mick I'm not playing your games, i've asked you this question several times yesterday, so far you've failed to respond, that in itself is an admission that you deleted a post and then asked posters for evidence of it, trying to make out that other posters were lieing. I have evidence, you know I have, would you like me to provide that evidence by reinstating the post?

Yes or No?

Look anyone who knows what you are on about knows what you are asking is very silly. I don't make a habit of answering silly questions. However I have offered to answer you if you will accept my perfectly reasonable challenge to your 'book of lies' jibe.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 12:04:24 pm
b*llocks to him, reinstate it and show him up as the charlatan he is. How about digging up some other, too? He wanted me to provide 'evidence' of what he'd said after he'd edited it the other day too...put it back and you'll see that he said two completely opposite things in the same thread then denied he's done it.

For all those who like to see proper debates in this forum, do any of you think the underhand way Mick 'debates' does anyone any good?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 01:21:53 pm
b*llocks to him, reinstate it and show him up as the charlatan he is. How about digging up some other, too? He wanted me to provide 'evidence' of what he'd said after he'd edited it the other day too...put it back and you'll see that he said two completely opposite things in the same thread then denied he's done it.

For all those who like to see proper debates in this forum, do any of you think the underhand way Mick 'debates' does anyone any good?

He won't be able to provide any evidence of anything that I have edited affecting your ability to supply the evidence I was requesting from you because it doesn't exist. I am quite happy to accept that challenge. Once nothing comes of it I expect an immediate abject apology.

You'd do better to try and find 20 of the so called lies from the book of lies. One at a time will do.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2015, 02:05:39 pm
Photographic memory claim when plagiarising (16 times).

Grand National bet
Scottish referendum bet
Recent deleted post on tax rates.

There's 19 lies.

Someone else can find the 20th.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2015, 02:06:34 pm
Oh aye.

Writing to Saunders to give him advice on possession efficiency.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 02:14:33 pm
Photographic memory claim when plagiarising (16 times).

Grand National bet
Scottish referendum bet
Recent deleted post on tax rates.

There's 19 lies.

Someone else can find the 20th.

There's the one I was referring to, about UKIP. First he said that Farage is bound by the wishes of the party, then when I challenged him on that and gave an example of the UKIP leadership having no compunction in ignoring what their membership had decided as party policy by ballot, he deleted it and then stated the opposite.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2015, 02:39:18 pm
Glyn

At least he deleted the contradictory post. Usually he just contradicts himself and doesn't bother with the deletion.

The bizarre tale of Mick's conversion in the space of a couple of weeks from being utterly, utterly convinced that we were in the road to hyperinflation, to being even more convinced that we were going into deflation is the perfect example of that.

F Scott Fitzgerald said that the test of a first rate mind is the ability two hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and still be able to function.

I wonder what he would have made of a person who can hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and lie through his teeth every time he's found out?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Dagenham Rover on February 01, 2015, 02:46:57 pm
Tbh I'm quite surprised a plagarised version of this  hasn't appeared yet, yes I've been waiting :)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-banker-crispin-odey-warns-5074995
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 03:16:32 pm
Photographic memory claim when plagiarising (16 times).

Grand National bet
Scottish referendum bet
Recent deleted post on tax rates.

There's 19 lies.

Someone else can find the 20th.


There's the one I was referring to, about UKIP. First he said that Farage is bound by the wishes of the party, then when I challenged him on that and gave an example of the UKIP leadership having no compunction in ignoring what their membership had decided as party policy by ballot, he deleted it and then stated the opposite.

What a pathetic effort. The grand national was a hilarious jape that back fired slightly which has all been sorted and explained. Where was the lie on the Scottish Referendum? I seem to recall posting a copy of my betslip as proof of my claims. How can a deleted post be a lie if indeed this is what happened?

I really don't know what you are on about with UKIP. I'd love to see some evidence of a lie. Don't bother you won't find any.

If I were a teacher, the comment 'must try harder' would be how I would sum up your poor effort. You'd also get detention.

Next.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: wilts rover on February 01, 2015, 03:58:10 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 04:49:00 pm
Glyn

At least he deleted the contradictory post. Usually he just contradicts himself and doesn't bother with the deletion.

The bizarre tale of Mick's conversion in the space of a couple of weeks from being utterly, utterly convinced that we were in the road to hyperinflation, to being even more convinced that we were going into deflation is the perfect example of that.

F Scott Fitzgerald said that the test of a first rate mind is the ability two hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and still be able to function.

I wonder what he would have made of a person who can hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and lie through his teeth every time he's found out?

I mentioned it the other week, Mick is a perfect example of Doublethink, as postulated by George Orwell in 1984:

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

Only Orwell doesn't maintain you need a first rate mind to exercise Doublethink, just a morally flexible one.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2015, 05:01:21 pm
Glyn

It's the sole reason I waste any time on him. He's an intelligent person, doubtlessly, but one who's whole outlook is based on the premise that a lie, told shamefacedly enough and never admitted, is a fair debating approach.

Mick is a fool, but his approach worries me. If you allow intelligent people to act like that, you're on a slippery slope. Especially in a period where that kind of approach to discussion is gaining traction in the political sphere (Salmond, Farage, two masters of the art).

You don't debate with people who use the tactics that Mick does. Because they don't work by the rules of normal debating. What you have to do is to repeatedly point out their mendacity and untrustworthiness. Show their opinions to be worthless because they are based on a tissue of lies.

It passes the time if nowt else.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 05:04:49 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 05:09:48 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!

I take you agree with his assessment of you as a dishonest debater too.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 05:11:27 pm
Glyn

At least he deleted the contradictory post. Usually he just contradicts himself and doesn't bother with the deletion.

The bizarre tale of Mick's conversion in the space of a couple of weeks from being utterly, utterly convinced that we were in the road to hyperinflation, to being even more convinced that we were going into deflation is the perfect example of that.

F Scott Fitzgerald said that the test of a first rate mind is the ability two hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and still be able to function.

I wonder what he would have made of a person who can hold two contradictory ideas at the same time and lie through his teeth every time he's found out?

What contradictory post was that then? I'm afraid Filo won't be able to help you on that one because there isn't one.

A conversion from a view of hyperflation to deflation isn't a lie. Its called changing your mind when you find new evidence that disproves your previous hypothesis. You are just sore because I alone called it correctly more than 12 months ago. Just shows what an economics expert I am.

Next.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 05:15:50 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!

I take you agree with his assessment of you as a dishonest debater too.

He hasn't called me dishonest. I suggest you issue him with an immediate abject apology.

Look, its very simple. Apparently there is a book of lies. Go and have a look in it and let me know what you've found. That should keep you occupied for a few days. After this time I expect an immediate abject apology when you fail in this mission.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 05:20:50 pm
Glyn

It's the sole reason I waste any time on him. He's an intelligent person, doubtlessly, but one who's whole outlook is based on the premise that a lie, told shamefacedly enough and never admitted, is a fair debating approach.

Mick is a fool, but his approach worries me. If you allow intelligent people to act like that, you're on a slippery slope. Especially in a period where that kind of approach to discussion is gaining traction in the political sphere (Salmond, Farage, two masters of the art).

You don't debate with people who use the tactics that Mick does. Because they don't work by the rules of normal debating. What you have to do is to repeatedly point out their mendacity and untrustworthiness. Show their opinions to be worthless because they are based on a tissue of lies.

It passes the time if nowt else.

You keep banging on about me lying but never produce any evidence. I on the other hand was exposing your lies on a daily basis until Filo asked that we call a truce. I think he felt sorry for you so I complied as I am a magnanimous soul and it was just too easy. Now are you going to respect the truce like what I've done or do you want Filo on your back?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 06:58:55 pm
Oh aye.

Writing to Saunders to give him advice on possession efficiency.

If my memory serves me right I think that was mjdgreg or maybe madmick. I'd be interested to know how you know Saunders wasn't written to. I seem to remember that our possession efficiency improved dramatically afterwards. That would lead me to believe that Saunders took the expert advice on board.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 09:38:32 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!

I take you agree with his assessment of you as a dishonest debater too.

He hasn't called me dishonest. I suggest you issue him with an immediate abject apology.

Look, its very simple. Apparently there is a book of lies. Go and have a look in it and let me know what you've found. That should keep you occupied for a few days. After this time I expect an immediate abject apology when you fail in this mission.


"if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions". That means he doesn't think you are one. And by trying to make out he's saying what you want to believe he's saying, you're showing us all exactly what he means. It's you who owes him an apology for deliberately ignoring what he's said.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 09:43:01 pm
Tbh I'm quite surprised a plagarised version of this  hasn't appeared yet, yes I've been waiting :)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-banker-crispin-odey-warns-5074995

I think you'll find that my similar prediction was made weeks ago. I refer you to the 'The future looks extremely grim' thread what I started. Crispin obviously knows his stuff like what I do. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he read my excellent warning before doing a bit more research himself. Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 01, 2015, 09:57:32 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!

I take you agree with his assessment of you as a dishonest debater too.

He hasn't called me dishonest. I suggest you issue him with an immediate abject apology.

Look, its very simple. Apparently there is a book of lies. Go and have a look in it and let me know what you've found. That should keep you occupied for a few days. After this time I expect an immediate abject apology when you fail in this mission.


"if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions". That means he doesn't think you are one. And by trying to make out he's saying what you want to believe he's saying, you're showing us all exactly what he means. It's you who owes him an apology for deliberately ignoring what he's said.

Seems like you need it explaining to you. He says I'm not ordinary. I said that was almost a compliment. Now if I wasn't modest I could have claimed it was a compliment. But that would be unfair to ordinary posters such as yourself and Billy.

Now to the next bit. 'Debating honest well thought out opinions'. I interpret that as the challenge to me is to debate with others who haven't put forward honest well thought out opinions such as yourself. If anything he is saying I'm not ordinary and the people I have to debate with don't put forward honest well thought out opinions. The key word in all this is 'debating'. If he had said 'putting forward' instead of 'debating' you would have a point. You are pointless.

Now get that abject apology sorted and we'll say no more about it.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 11:53:21 pm
There goes that Doublethink again!
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 01, 2015, 11:56:02 pm
As a card carrying communist leftie I must say I am on Mick's side in this, their does appear to be a conspiricy 'out to get him' for the manner in which he posts on here and I am backing my comrade against 'the man'.

And come on, be honest with yourselves, if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions with facts and evidence - it wouldn't be half as much fun would it!!!!

Fair play Wilts. I like your style. I almost got a compliment there!

I take you agree with his assessment of you as a dishonest debater too.

He hasn't called me dishonest. I suggest you issue him with an immediate abject apology.

Look, its very simple. Apparently there is a book of lies. Go and have a look in it and let me know what you've found. That should keep you occupied for a few days. After this time I expect an immediate abject apology when you fail in this mission.


"if he was an ordinary poster, debating honest well thought out opinions". That means he doesn't think you are one. And by trying to make out he's saying what you want to believe he's saying, you're showing us all exactly what he means. It's you who owes him an apology for deliberately ignoring what he's said.

Seems like you need it explaining to you. He says I'm not ordinary. I said that was almost a compliment. Now if I wasn't modest I could have claimed it was a compliment. But that would be unfair to ordinary posters such as yourself and Billy.

Now to the next bit. 'Debating honest well thought out opinions'. I interpret that as the challenge to me is to debate with others who haven't put forward honest well thought out opinions such as yourself. If anything he is saying I'm not ordinary and the people I have to debate with don't put forward honest well thought out opinions. The key word in all this is 'debating'. If he had said 'putting forward' instead of 'debating' you would have a point. You are pointless.

Now get that abject apology sorted and we'll say no more about it.

If that's how you interpret things no wonder you keep editing your posts hours after you've written them...
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 02, 2015, 12:07:31 am
Look, you've obviously read what he said the wrong way. That's OK. We all make mistakes (I must admit I can't remember the last time I made one though).

It's very simple. I've explained it to you what his statement meant. Stop digging yourself a hole and get that abject apology sorted pronto and we can move on.

If you're not careful you won't just be pointless, you'll be extremely annoying as well.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 02, 2015, 09:18:05 am
How about we let him tell us what his statement meant himself?
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 02, 2015, 10:09:41 am
How about we let him tell us what his statement meant himself?

Look its obvious that wilts is an intelligent man. I don't know what qualifications he's got but that is of no interest to me. I consider him to be intelligent but misguided. That's OK. Life would be boring if we were all like you.

Now given that wilts knows perfectly well how to construct a statement, why on earth are you asking him to say he constructed this particular statement very badly? Are you trying to insinuate that he is unintelligent? Because if he agrees with you that will be the distinct impression that is left.

You'd do better spending your time finding a lie from the book of lies. Also how's it going with Filo finding this alleged post about UKIP I allegedly deleted? I'll tell you. Very badly because I didn't delete or amend any posts to scupper your argument.

Its a bit like whats going with wilts' statement. You've misread something and gone off at a tangent (yet again).

Now cut your losses. Admit there isn't a book of lies. There isn't even a pamphlet of lies. Get an abject apology sorted and we'll put this sorry mess behind us.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: Filo on February 02, 2015, 10:25:38 am
How about we let him tell us what his statement meant himself?

Look its obvious that wilts is an intelligent man. I don't know what qualifications he's got but that is of no interest to me. I consider him to be intelligent but misguided. That's OK. Life would be boring if we were all like you.

Now given that wilts knows perfectly well how to construct a statement, why on earth are you asking him to say he constructed this particular statement very badly? Are you trying to insinuate that he is unintelligent? Because if he agrees with you that will be the distinct impression that is left.

You'd do better spending your time finding a lie from the book of lies. Also how's it going with Filo finding this alleged post about UKIP I allegedly deleted? I'll tell you. Very badly because I didn't delete or amend any posts to scupper your argument.

Its a bit like whats going with wilts' statement. You've misread something and gone off at a tangent (yet again).

Now cut your losses. Admit there isn't a book of lies. There isn't even a pamphlet of lies. Get an abject apology sorted and we'll put this sorry mess behind us.


You'd probably like to pretend that this exchange did n't happen Mick, you would n't want to be made to look silly would you Lol! ;)
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 02, 2015, 11:14:29 am
Bring it on. I'm sure Mr Wigley is desperate for you to prove me wrong. It won't happen though.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 03, 2015, 11:36:19 am
I'm still waiting. Look, I'll give you another couple of days to find your so-called 'evidence'. Should you and Filo fail, I expect an immediate abject apology from both of you.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 09, 2015, 11:43:05 am
Right. You've had long enough. Get that abject apology sorted pronto and you may recover a tiny part of your totally trashed reputation.

If I could offer some advice for the future. Try reading posts a bit more slowly and you will have a better chance of understanding them. Stop reading them with your leftie rose tinted specs on and you might make a bit more sense than you normally do.

Now get on with it.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: LincsRover on February 09, 2015, 11:29:59 pm
Photographic memory claim when plagiarising (16 times).

Grand National bet
Scottish referendum bet
Recent deleted post on tax rates.

There's 19 lies.

Someone else can find the 20th.


There's the one I was referring to, about UKIP. First he said that Farage is bound by the wishes of the party, then when I challenged him on that and gave an example of the UKIP leadership having no compunction in ignoring what their membership had decided as party policy by ballot, he deleted it and then stated the opposite.

What a pathetic effort. The grand national was a hilarious jape that back fired slightly which has all been sorted and explained. Where was the lie on the Scottish Referendum? I seem to recall posting a copy of my betslip as proof of my claims. How can a deleted post be a lie if indeed this is what happened?

I really don't know what you are on about with UKIP. I'd love to see some evidence of a lie. Don't bother you won't find any.

If I were a teacher, the comment 'must try harder' would be how I would sum up your poor effort. You'd also get detention.

Next.

Sorry, but I have to respond to this as its f*ck*ng hilarious! A betting slip with no date or time stamped on it is like a LibDem election manifesto - totally worthless!

 :P
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 09, 2015, 11:44:21 pm
Do you seriously think I would give vital information away like that so someone else could claim my winnings. It's called redaction and it was in my own better interests.

Now given the length of time I've been posting, it is obvious to everyone except a few hard core lefties, that I am as honest and genuine as the day is long. As if I'd make something like that up.
Title: Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Post by: IC1967 on February 12, 2015, 05:21:20 pm
Right. The results are in and the votes have been counted. I am overwhelmed by the support and would like to thank everyone that voted for me, especially the lefties amongst you and everyone that bothered to post a comment. It can't have been easy for you. It is obvious BobG is in a very small minority.

Rest assured I will continue to fight the good fight in my usual take no prisoners, pugnacious debating style. There will be no political correctness on my part and I will continue to raise and debate issues in an honest and forthright way.

Once more, many thanks for your support.