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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: rtid88 on August 05, 2016, 11:19:52 pm
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Just been in the bus station in Doncaster town centre and what can I say other than what an utter disgrace! This town, this country is just at a state of unrepairable damage!!!
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what's happened?
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Full of druggy s..thouses when i have been. A dirty discheveled, run down shanty town, in the town centre. They improve the outsides as people come into our town, how about working they're way in now, and improving the streets, railway, bus station etc?.
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That's what Osborne meant by Northern Poor House
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Sammy said it perfectly! Its just a horrid horrid place! Just one of a number of things that I saw was 2 women that are supposed to be Mums who were clearly smacked off their tits with their 2 young kids running riot at 11 o clock at night. I dread going into the town centre these days it's just an awful place to be.
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Full of druggy s..thouses when i have been. A dirty discheveled, run down shanty town, in the town centre. They improve the outsides as people come into our town, how about working they're way in now, and improving the streets, railway, bus station etc?.
You must have missed the recent investment into the town.
There is nothing wrong with it. Visit it the rest of the towns and cities in South Yorkshire. Doncaster is gleaming in comparison.
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Don't know what part of town your going to Mr Frost but please let me know. Investment in buildings and shop fronts does not change the chavvy scumbags that populate them.
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Frosty, in comparison Barnsley Town Centre is far better. You don't know how much that hurts to admit.
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Frosty, in comparison Barnsley Town Centre is far better. You don't know how much that hurts to admit.
In what way? The last time I went, someone was shooting up in full view of the general public in broad daylight.
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Not seen anything like that but there is a major town centre regeneration going on. Not too many empty shop units. Walking down Baxtergate the other day was like walking through downtown Beirut
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Not seen anything like that but there is a major town centre regeneration going on. Not too many empty shop units. Walking down Baxtergate the other day was like walking through downtown Beirut
It isn't anywhere near the size as Doncastser town centre, and it doesn't have anywhere near as many shops.
Look at the millions being invested in Waterdale and the projects that are being proposed for Doncaster
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I walked through waterdale the other day too. That's a tip.
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I walked through waterdale the other day too. That's a tip.
No I know you must be taking the piss, because if you did you'd have seen the new independent and niche shops that have opened there, the new shopping development being constructed as well as the new theatre, square, offices and cinema etc that is under construction.
I'll leave you to wax lyrical about Barnsley.
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Frosty, in comparison Barnsley Town Centre is far better. You don't know how much that hurts to admit.
Working in barnsley I can't agree - I do like our office there though. It's nothing like as good. It is smaller which helps in some ways but it's certainly no better than Doncaster.
The problem here is only some parts have been developed. Still a lot of work to be done.
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I walked through waterdale the other day too. That's a tip.
No I know you must be taking the piss, because if you did you'd have seen the new independent and niche shops that have opened there, the new shopping development being constructed as well as the new theatre, square, offices and cinema etc that is under construction.
I'll leave you to wax lyrical about Barnsley.
Again how does any of this change the people that frequent them?? They could spend a billion pounds on new buildings but it doesn't change the fact that Doncaster is full of scrounging, druggy scumbags!
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I walked through waterdale the other day too. That's a tip.
No I know you must be taking the piss, because if you did you'd have seen the new independent and niche shops that have opened there, the new shopping development being constructed as well as the new theatre, square, offices and cinema etc that is under construction.
I'll leave you to wax lyrical about Barnsley.
Again how does any of this change the people that frequent them?? They could spend a billion pounds on new buildings but it doesn't change the fact that Doncaster is full of scrounging, druggy scumbags!
Full of them? How many of them are there?
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Are you just arguing for arguing sakes Mr Frost, your the only one that is not seeing exactly what is in front of your face. Walking through Doncaster Town Centre is a horrid experience, yes it might not be the worst in the country and yes there are obviously decent folk too however there is a clear problem that has been within our communities for a significant period of time. Each generation though is only learning from what they see from their parents.
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Are you just arguing for arguing sakes Mr Frost, your the only one that is not seeing exactly what is in front of your face. Walking through Doncaster Town Centre is a horrid experience, yes it might not be the worst in the country and yes there are obviously decent folk too however there is a clear problem that has been within our communities for a significant period of time. Each generation though is only learning from what they see from their parents.
I visit town regularly, and yes there are one or two unsavoury characters lurking around, but certainly it isn't "full of them". Visit any large town or city, and there are people who act in this way. Doncaster isn't exclusive.
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Think it's fashionable these days to think the place you're from is a shit hole and can't wait to escape.
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Born and bred in Doncaster and lived here for all of my 33 years and I will probably live here for the rest of it but I can categorically say it gets worse each year! Just glad I don't need to go into the town centre very often.
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Born and bred in Doncaster and lived here for all of my 33 years and I will probably live here for the rest of it but I can categorically say it gets worse each year! Just glad I don't need to go into the town centre very often.
That's your opinion.
I go into town often and never see any bother.
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Accrington wasn't any better if it makes you feel better
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I've been to Durham recently and that looked amazing in comparison.
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Frosty, how is the new job at the Doncaster Tourist Board going? Might go better if you take off the blindfold.
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Frosty, how is the new job at the Doncaster Tourist Board going? Might go better if you take off the blindfold.
I work in London.
Like I said earlier, you've clearly walked round Donny with your eyes shut. Enjoy Barnsley. You suit the place
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I occasionally go round Donny town centre on a Sunday night. On TWO separate occasions while walking down Priory place there was someone kicking the doors in of shops and nicking stuff. Despite all the cameras, no police were alerted as the culprits just walked away with their swag.
I'd place my starboard knacker on a chopping block if I'd had decided to take a piss in a shop doorway and not had a rapid response police van full of coppers apprehend me within one minute of my offence in similar circumstances.
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Not seen anything like that but there is a major town centre regeneration going on. Not too many empty shop units. Walking down Baxtergate the other day was like walking through downtown Beirut
It isn't anywhere near the size as Doncastser town centre, and it doesn't have anywhere near as many shops.
Look at the millions being invested in Waterdale and the projects that are being proposed for Doncaster
Frosty, have you ever watched the william wallace film, braveheart?. What Edward Longshanks says about scotland, is similar to how i think of people i live around, ''The trouble with scotland, is it's full of scots''!.
Take scotland and scots out of the sentence, and you know how i feel about many of those i live around. When you meet a decent person, it's a novelty, unless you are a druggy, you don't fit in.
The shops aren't the problem, in the frenchgate, yes they are pretty good, compared to other towns. It's the people around the shops who are the problem. You can build a palace on a pile of s..t, but it will still be a pile of s..t!.
The doncaster i remember, was a friendly, happy place on the whole, people went for a drink and enjoyed themselves, letting off steam after a long week of work.
Now it's filled with smackheads, pissheads, or just plain nasty b..tards. If you don't get asked, ''Have you got a fag''?, or ''Can you give me my bus fare home'', by somebody high as a kite, then you have walked through a 'wonderful world tunnel'!.
People can do what they want with drugs or whatever, but i don't want them round me, i have seen the devastation they mete out, i don't want that type of person anywhere near me.
This is not a problem only donny faces, the whole country faces it, no values, no idea of right and wrong, no respect for others space. People bringing up ignorant little b..tards, who plague the neighbourhood, they live in.
I'm not perfect, i'm no saint, but i had manners, values and knew right from wrong when i was a kid. All i was interested in was playing sport, keeping fit and helping anybody out if i could.
These days, people who sit on the floor asking if ''You can spare some change'', half of them aren't homeless. When i was younger anybody who did that was. As it is i just assume they are, and give them as much as i can, because i would want others to help me.
I don't like to see anybody without, if i can help, most would feel cheated, but as cynical as i am i give the benefit of the doubt.
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Not seen anything like that but there is a major town centre regeneration going on. Not too many empty shop units. Walking down Baxtergate the other day was like walking through downtown Beirut
It isn't anywhere near the size as Doncastser town centre, and it doesn't have anywhere near as many shops.
Look at the millions being invested in Waterdale and the projects that are being proposed for Doncaster
Frosty, have you ever watched the william wallace film, braveheart?. What Edward Longshanks says about scotland, is similar to how i think of people i live around, ''The trouble with scotland, is it's full of scots''!.
Take scotland and scots out of the sentence, and you know how i feel about many of those i live around. When you meet a decent person, it's a novelty, unless you are a druggy, you don't fit in.
The shops aren't the problem, in the frenchgate, yes they are pretty good, compared to other towns. It's the people around the shops who are the problem. You can build a palace on a pile of s..t, but it will still be a pile of s..t!.
The doncaster i remember, was a friendly, happy place on the whole, people went for a drink and enjoyed themselves, letting off steam after a long week of work.
Now it's filled with smackheads, pissheads, or just plain nasty b..tards. If you don't get asked, ''Have you got a fag''?, or ''Can you give me my bus fare home'', by somebody high as a kite, then you have walked through a 'wonderful world tunnel'!.
People can do what they want with drugs or whatever, but i don't want them round me, i have seen the devastation they mete out, i don't want that type of person anywhere near me.
This is not a problem only donny faces, the whole country faces it, no values, no idea of right and wrong, no respect for others space. People bringing up ignorant little b..tards, who plague the neighbourhood, they live in.
I'm not perfect, i'm no saint, but i had manners, values and knew right from wrong when i was a kid. All i was interested in was playing sport, keeping fit and helping anybody out if i could.
These days, people who sit on the floor asking if ''You can spare some change'', half of them aren't homeless. When i was younger anybody who did that was. As it is i just assume they are, and give them as much as i can, because i would want others to help me.
I don't like to see anybody without, if i can help, most would feel cheated, but as cynical as i am i give the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but I prefer to focus on the positives rather than negatives.
Rob seems to think Barnsley is some kind of Shangri La. It will be no different to Doncaster with regards to social issues.
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This is not a problem only donny faces, the whole country faces it, no values, no idea of right and wrong, no respect for others space. People bringing up ignorant little b..tards, who plague the neighbourhood, they live in.
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That one sentence goes right to the heart of the discussion / problem
100% correct
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Frenchgate is OK, not amazing. The rest of the centre is a bit shit, the High Street is full of banks. Waterdale shopping bit is improving the straight walk to Civic area is nice and has a couple of nice cafes, the sideways bit is terrible. They're also on about building a cinema, etc so hopefully that area improves. I've seen also they were on about building at the Waterfront and over the North Bridge some restaurants and shops, that'd be nice. Overall though at the moment it's untidy and depressing.
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The "sideways bit" of Waterdale is Queens Gate and I'd be amazed if that's in the same format in 2 years time. I've got very good reason to believe it'll be flattened and something totally different built in its place.
Kings gate, the "straight bit", is improving rapidly with new build units on the old Young Street car park and a slack handful of interesting independent shops. It's early days but there are definitely green shoots showing in that end of Donny. There is a new cinema, four restaurants, the Waterdale improvements and £3.3m yet to be spent on collonades, even the local Street Drinkers are now congregating at the Market rather than Waterdale.
I've never understood the fascination some Doncastrians have with slating the town, if you want to see urban decay and a shopping area that's actually hit rock bottom visit South Shields, a town that's not far off the size of Donny. You'll be thankful for what we've got, trust me.
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The street drinkers need displacing to Barnsley. What we need is half a dozen town centre 'kick ass Cops' but I can't see that happening in today's climate.
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Personally I'd liquidate the f**kers and use em as fertiliser, but then I've always been a bleeding heart liberal.
My mate has just given up his market stall after 14 years, he was taking in between £4 (!) and £60 a day at the end. Unsustainable.
It always intrigues me how quickly the police will use a section 30 order to remove a pissed up and boisterous footy fan from a town center but won't use those same powers against equally pissed up and boisterous street drinkers.
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Back in the late 60s you had to be at the market by about 6:30 on a Saturday morning to have any chance of getting one of the few spare stalls.
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The cops should be given the power back, to bash a few heads with the truncheon. When decent people are trying to make a living selling things on the market, why should the lowlife win?.
These days, nobody wants any trouble, if it's not then getting the strife they walk on by. The 'have-a-go heroes', are almost extinct, because if you do interfere, the law will more than likely favour the smackhead, and you might get a dirty needle pushed into you.
When they allow these people, to ruin peoples livelihood, then you know the country has gone.
I'm talking maybe only as far back as ten years ago, this wouldn't have happened, because the blokes of the local area, would have stopped it.
Thes type of people, used to stay indoors out of shame of what they were, now they are loud and proud of who they are, and are braver as the years go by, because they are allowed to do what they want.
Doncaster on the whole has gone from being a decent place to live, to a town that is being rapidly redeveloped, while morass of the people who inhabit it, bring it down, a shame.
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Personally I'd liquidate the f**kers and use em as fertiliser, but then I've always been a bleeding heart liberal.
My mate has just given up his market stall after 14 years, he was taking in between £4 (!) and £60 a day at the end. Unsustainable.
It always intrigues me how quickly the police will use a section 30 order to remove a pissed up and boisterous footy fan from a town center but won't use those same powers against equally pissed up and boisterous street drinkers.
You should see Sheffield, it's full of homeless piss ups on the streets...............oh hang on they are the people of Sheffield 👅😀😀😀😀😀
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The cops should be given the power back, to bash a few heads with the truncheon.
Are you for real?
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The cops should be given the power back, to bash a few heads with the truncheon.
Are you for real?
Yes i'm real, that's what they are short of, there are no consequences for doing wrong now. If they can't act like normal human beings, why should they be treated as such?.
These are sort of people who will mug the old lady, who has just got her pension, or rifle the pockets of an old fella, that's had a few beers too many, drugs have changed communities across the country.
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The whole problem was caused by shandy drinking, lily livered, nancy boy, powder puff, soft as diarrhea shit, liberal minded, shit scared, scum appealing, vote searching Jessies, who STILL influence do gooder left winger w**kers now, despite the horrific problems it's caused.
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The cops should be given the power back, to bash a few heads with the truncheon.
Are you for real?
Yes i'm real, that's what they are short of, there are no consequences for doing wrong now. If they can't act like normal human beings, why should they be treated as such?.
These are sort of people who will mug the old lady, who has just got her pension, or rifle the pockets of an old fella, that's had a few beers too many, drugs have changed communities across the country.
Aye, and giving police the power to just bash people's heads in is gonna solve all that. Like giving your kids a good crack when they're young means they'll not turn out to be f**king cretins when they're older.
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Donny's great if what you're looking for is middle-eastern barbers who will cut your hair and shave your neck for £5 or cash-for-gold shops who will take your argos jewelry off you for 25% of its value.
I mean, people can slag off the amount of home bargains, pound shops and frozen food shops dotted about but does anyone stop to think about all the flourishing long-term relationships that developed in these places? They are the churches of our people.
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The whole problem was caused by shandy drinking, lily livered, nancy boy, powder puff, soft as diarrhea shit, liberal minded, shit scared, scum appealing, vote searching Jessies, who STILL influence do gooder left winger w**kers now, despite the horrific problems it's caused.
I take it that you are not a fan of Jeremy 'Jew Hater' Corbyn Bentley?
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Interesting article in the Sunday times concerning the Met Police and the lack of volunteers to become firearms officers,only 80 have been deployed in the last 7 months.it stems from the uproar over the death of Jermaine Baker as he sat in a stolen Audi in Wood Green London last year several other people who were also sat in the car have since been convicted of trying to spring Turkish Gangster Izzet Eren out of a Prison van an imitation sub machine gun was found in the Car at the time.
The good old IPCC arrested the offending officer on a murder charge and are trying to do the Det Chief Inspector in charge for gross misconduct.
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Sammy said it perfectly! Its just a horrid horrid place! Just one of a number of things that I saw was 2 women that are supposed to be Mums who were clearly smacked off their tits with their 2 young kids running riot at 11 o clock at night. I dread going into the town centre these days it's just an awful place to be.
Call me blinkered, but i have seen none of this, the new French gate is a fine place to shop, clean and welcoming. You get undesirables everywhere. To think doncaster is worse than everywhere is so off the mark it's untrue....
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Sammy said it perfectly! Its just a horrid horrid place! Just one of a number of things that I saw was 2 women that are supposed to be Mums who were clearly smacked off their tits with their 2 young kids running riot at 11 o clock at night. I dread going into the town centre these days it's just an awful place to be.
Call me blinkered, but i have seen none of this, the new French gate is a fine place to shop, clean and welcoming. You get undesirables everywhere. To think doncaster is worse than everywhere is so off the mark it's untrue....
Mac the hooped man your blinkered
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Sammy said it perfectly! Its just a horrid horrid place! Just one of a number of things that I saw was 2 women that are supposed to be Mums who were clearly smacked off their tits with their 2 young kids running riot at 11 o clock at night. I dread going into the town centre these days it's just an awful place to be.
Call me blinkered, but i have seen none of this, the new French gate is a fine place to shop, clean and welcoming. You get undesirables everywhere. To think doncaster is worse than everywhere is so off the mark it's untrue....
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Interesting article in the Sunday times concerning the Met Police and the lack of volunteers to become firearms officers,only 80 have been deployed in the last 7 months.it stems from the uproar over the death of Jermaine Baker as he sat in a stolen Audi in Wood Green London last year several other people who were also sat in the car have since been convicted of trying to spring Turkish Gangster Izzet Eren out of a Prison van an imitation sub machine gun was found in the Car at the time.
The good old IPCC arrested the offending officer on a murder charge and are trying to do the Det Chief Inspector in charge for gross misconduct.
From how you've written this, I take it you think he was legally killed?
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I most certainly do! And I take it you don't?
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Given that the audio recording provided by the police from a surveillance bug placed inside the car and played to the jury at the subsequent inquest was stopped at the pojnt that shouts of 'armed police' can be heard on it and omitted everything afterwards, it creates the suggestion that proper procedure may not have been followed up to point of the shot being fired - otherwise why withhold it..?
Because of that, I don't know whether he was legally shot or not. I rather like to have evidence to base a judgement on. Apparently, you don't feel that need.
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The Metroolitain Police went to the extent of bugging the Villains car, the Police officers involved in that operation would have been aware of that.
Firearms officers don't go around shooting persons for no reason.
Baker was in a car with an imitation firearm for the unlawful purpose of assisting in the escape from lawfull detention of a very nasty individual,he had plenty of time to think through the consequences of what his actions And plenty of time and opportunity to walk away.
He deserved what he got
I take it Glynn that you are a reasonable person in being, would you go into a public place whilst taking part in a heinous crime and not expect that being shot dead could be one of the consequences, if you waved an imitation firearm at armed Police officers?
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The Metroolitain Police went to the extent of bugging the Villains car, the Police officers involved in that operation would have been aware of that.
Firearms officers don't go around shooting persons for no reason.
Baker was in a car with an imitation firearm for the unlawful purpose of assisting in the escape from lawfull detention of a very nasty individual,he had plenty of time to think through the consequences of what his actions And plenty of time and opportunity to walk away.
He deserved what he got
I take it Glynn that you are a reasonable person in being, would you go into a public place whilst taking part in a heinous crime and not expect that being shot dead could be one of the consequences, if you waved an imitation firearm at armed Police officers?
As I said - evidence?
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There always seems to be more of an outcry if somebody dodgy gets shot than when it is an innocent bystander the hat has never harmed anyone.
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There always seems to be more of an outcry if somebody dodgy gets shot than when it is an innocent bystander the hat has never harmed anyone.
The correct procedures should be followed whoever it is. That's why the procedures are laid down.
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He deserved what he got
I take it Glynn that you are a reasonable person in being, would you go into a public place whilst taking part in a heinous crime and not expect that being shot dead could be one of the consequences, if you waved an imitation firearm at armed Police officers?
Perhaps so. But in this instance no-one was waving a firearm, imitation or otherwise, at the police. Least of all Baker, who was in the front seat, when the gun was on the floor at the back, with one of the others with him in the car.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/met-police-officer-shot-dead-man-armed-uzi-style-bb-gun-1573105
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36288148
The are plenty of countries across the world where the police can shoot who they wish without consequences. None of them I would care to live in.
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There always seems to be more of an outcry if somebody dodgy gets shot than when it is an innocent bystander the hat has never harmed anyone.
I think it is the manner of the shooting idler. Quie clearly when an innocent bystander gets hit it is clearly an accident, no-one was aiming at them. Was the death of this guy also the result of an accident, or was he, to put it bluntly, executed? Protection under the law should apply to everyone, not just the bloke holding the gun.
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I imagine that sometimes it's difficult to follow the correct procedure if you suspect that you're about to get your brains blown out.
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I imagine that sometimes it's difficult to follow the correct procedure if you suspect that you're about to get your brains blown out.
If you're not capable of following the proper procedures that you've been trained to follow, in the circumstances that you've been trained to expect to use them in, then you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun, don't you agree?
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No I don't agree. No amount of simulation training can prepare you for the real thing. The whole point I'm making is when you have a real chance of having your brain blown out it will be more difficult to follow the correct procedure. Don't you agree?
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No I don't agree. No amount of simulation training can prepare you for the real thing. The whole point I'm making is when you have a real chance of having your brain blown out it will be more difficult to follow the correct procedure. Don't you agree?
Exactly no matter how much training self preservation WILL kick in
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These are split second decisions. I wouldn't want to have somebody make a sudden move if I suspected that they were armed and I had a gun in my hand.
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I imagine that sometimes it's difficult to follow the correct procedure if you suspect that you're about to get your brains blown out.
If you're not capable of following the proper procedures that you've been trained to follow, in the circumstances that you've been trained to expect to use them in, then you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun, don't you agree?
You're talking b*llocks, Wigley.
No one knows how they'll react under that sort of pressure and no amount of training, no matter how good, will guarantee that people will make the "correct" decision.
Wooly thinking on your part based on your utter lack of subject knowledge.
Yeah, when someone cracks, let's just sweep it under the carpet. Nothing to learn from any investigation into what went wrong and why. A shrug of the shoulders will do and if anyone questions it simply tell them 'you don't understand, so there'.
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Wasn't this thread about how lovely our town is?
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Wasn't this thread about how lovely our town is?
No, it was about how awful it has become over the past 10-15 years!
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I don't really get why they are building new shops at Waterdale when there are loads of empty units anyway, but there are definitely some good new ventures opening up - The City supposedly serves great Polish food and I love the little secondhand/ collectives shop Rewind.
Good luck to your missus' new venture!
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Sad, I looked for Brickinit on Friday to drop a poster off for the Doncaster VW show but couldn't find it. I'd been speaking to her on Twitter about it. Whereabouts is it?
Cheers
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Nice to see Waterdale picking up I can recall it used to be busy in the Seventies then went down hill,niche shops are the answer and maybe a few shops to attract accompanied kids.
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Is Kingsgate one of the pedestrianised streets? doesn't appear on any Waterdale map I can find.
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Will do-thanks
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Made me giggle then Sad when you mentioned "the old ABC". I remember that damn place being built. It was THE wow building in town: way sexier than the Gaumont and the Odeon. Kes had it's world premier there. I saw Where Eagles Dare and Clockwork Orange there. I know times move on, but you know what? By any standard except human, it's not that long ago.
Bob
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I used to like the ABC better than the Gaumont/Odeon. I saw Jaws and Grease there when I was a kid (god knows how I got into Jaws - it scared me to death. Think I was about 6 and went with my older sister). The best time ever was one Halloween in about 1988 when they showed all 6 (at that point) Friday the 13th movies back to back. 9 hours in the company of Jason Vorhees and his hockey mask.
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Didn't they convert the ABC into a 3 screen place? I've not been in the place for aeons so I never saw it if they did. I always thought, as a single screen cinema, it was a nice place inside. I saw Jaws there too Rob when it first came out. Took a girl from school. She wasn't much interested in me. I was the means to an end...
I quite like brutalist architecture too Sad. (You ever seen any of the wall bits of the Westwall?) It'd be a shame to lose the ABC - especially after the Council allowed the Gaumont to be knocked down. That was scandalous. A real gem of its type. Did you know there used to be a restaurant on the first floor that had windows looking out over the High Street/Waterdale junction? Those windows were done away with in favour of that nondescript grey plastic looking corrugated sheeting when the place was tarted up in the 70's I should think.
Bob
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cop shop and Courts were built by the notorious Poulson.
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I used to like the ABC better than the Gaumont/Odeon. I saw Jaws and Grease there when I was a kid (god knows how I got into Jaws - it scared me to death. Think I was about 6 and went with my older sister). The best time ever was one Halloween in about 1988 when they showed all 6 (at that point) Friday the 13th movies back to back. 9 hours in the company of Jason Vorhees and his hockey mask.
... And his mam!!
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Been told the cop shop was designed to withstand a nuclear shockwave. If war with Russia was imminent, the gap between the huge, thick wedge shaped concrete wall, and the main building would have been filled with sand. Makes sense when you look at it, its like a bunker.
Not sure about the court building, but that looks solid too, with the huge wedge at the base.
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I spent a few months with the probation service working in that building in the late 70s but never knew Poulson was involved, where's the unfinished roads? I am reminded of 'Threads' by talk of a nuclear resistant bunker. Amazing film where post apocalyptic Sheffield was populated by grunting savages after a nuclear strike on Finningley. Hang on, did I miss something?
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Some of them places on 28 days later are amazing
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Someone told me that the old ABC is now a rats Butlins.
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I must admit to being a fan of the Brutalist movement. At the moment there seems to be a cultural backlash against it, and lots of buildings have gone before they could be appreciated fully in their historical context.
Is the concrete bridge from the Waterdale centre to the former bus station still there? That is just so 1960s.
Sadly, near where I live, 60s architecture is being destroyed with a real vengeance.
New Street station hasn't been rebuilt, it's had its features chiselled away and covered with stainless steel cladding and topped by a shopping centre.
John Madin was the designer of many buildings in Birmingham that have been destroyed: BBC Pebble Mill and the Central Library are the most notable casualties, their replacements are not worth talking about.
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I caught the first day of the destruction of the Library
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I've spent weeks and weeks and weeks engrossed by that 28dayslater website. Awesome site. Have you seen the reports on the derelict hydro power station behind and beneath the Niagara Falls? Gordon Bennett!!
And New Street, Longbridge, is as bloody awful now as it was in the 1970's despite all the hundreds of millions they've chucked at it. Nasty place. And have you stood on a platform there? If you hiccough you'll fall off the platform edge.
Bob
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The Cop shop courts and Coal house were all nuclear Bunkers,the buildings were started under West Yorks county council and the plan was to build a town hall where the Cast is there was going to be an underground car park which was accessed in between the Cop shop and Court building if you stand at the top of the ramp you will see a large sliding door at the bottom. Which is a dead end. There are two tunnels linking the buildings and six huge holding cells under the court and other rooms likewise a maze of tunnels under the cop shop one which is a dead end was was built to go under college Road to a proposed Crown court building.
The plug was pulled when we became South Yorkshire and the funding from Wakefield went into projects in the New West Yorkshire.
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No matter how much I try to train my eye to believe it, I am seeing the library as foreground and the church further back which makes the perspective all wrong with the digger arm behind the steeple.
Weird!!!
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Is Kingsgate one of the pedestrianised streets? doesn't appear on any Waterdale map I can find.
Kingsgate runs from Cleveland Street to the Library, Queensgate runs from the South Bus Station and Princegate runs from the Job Center on Wood Street to the Staff of Life pub. Only Princegate shows on the map as it's the only one with vehicle access.
Thanks Sad, I'll have a look in Aardvark Saturday.
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Made me giggle then Sad when you mentioned "the old ABC". I remember that damn place being built. It was THE wow building in town: way sexier than the Gaumont and the Odeon. Kes had it's world premier there. I saw Where Eagles Dare and Clockwork Orange there. I know times move on, but you know what? By any standard except human, it's not that long ago.
Bob
I saw The Deer Hunter at the ABC, my God, affected me for a week that did.
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Aardvark is run by a big rovers fan simon saynor
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Just had a look at that 28dayslater. I'm late 20s so I remember the Odeon looking like the recent picture but it actually looked pretty nice as it initially was and would have made a decent theatre if it was made to look like that again. And the Grand Theatre, is that next to Sainsburys at the Frenchgate?
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I thought there had been talks of the Grand Theatre opening a few years back. It seems such a shame that such amazing buildings like that and the ABC are left to ruin but eyesores like the new Frenchgate and new council building have millions of pounds spent on them!!!
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cop shop and Courts were built by the notorious Poulson.
That was Coal House, don't think Poulson had anything to do with the court and police station.
The court and police station were both designed by Sir Frederick Gibberd and are excellent examples of British Brutalism (note the use of cobblestones on the sloping base, a typical feature). Gibberd also designed the catholic cathedral in Liverpool aka Paddy's wigwam and a number of London housing estates.
I believe that Gibberd also had a hand in the design of the Waterdale centre - the library building actually has some sleek Modernist lines (narrow Windows, tiled surfaces) although now somewhat obscured by those ugly brown plastic panels, and there are touches of London housing estates in the residential parts of Waterdale such as communal refuse disposal chutes - see pic. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160907/35410021d64710283714d00ec13ded39.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160907/caa69eaea1c373d5613526529c81dc41.jpg)
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Waterdale's function for many years was as an area for buses and coaches to pick up.
When the new Southern Bus station was built, the ramshackle bus shelters opposite the library were removed and it became a flat piece of land, which became a car park.
However some services still used the old bus station, notably Barton Buses, whose coaches ran from points in the North East through York's and Notts to Coventry serving miners and their families.
They used to arrive several at a time in a 'bus train'.
Waterdale was the midway point where they crossed, a fascinating sight (if you are a bus spotter!)
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Can't agree with the comments about Birmingham library. I never went to the old one but the new is an absolutely brilliant building, particularly inside.
I agree, however, that the Waterdale died when the buses stopped using the bus station. That was probably the main reason people walked through the area.
Always thought a good way to link town with the new civic quarter would be to rebuild the central library which is in a pretty terrible state for town this size.
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It's one of the really grievous wounds inflicted by austerity that libraries have been allowed to rot for a good few years now. They're both an easy target and a social mistake - according to the tenets of today's Toryism. Can't have state provided social welfare can we? Libraries are in a disastrous state nationwide and they're getting worse every year.
BobG
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Are libraries as important in terms of usefulness as they used to be before the internet etc though?
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Are libraries as important in terms of usefulness as they used to be before the internet etc though?
Good question, don't know the answer but this summer I used Doncaster central library on a few occasions as a quiet place to go to prepare for job interviews etc and it struck me how few books were in there, it basically seems to be a place to go and use the Internet for free
The exception to this is the local studies area which is well used, not least by TRB.
I believe there is a proposal to relocate the library to the museum, which would probably further lessen its usage.
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I see libraries, museums and theatres in a similar light. Community assets, multi-use and inspirational. Maybe the words are outdated, in France 'bibliotheques'(book places) have become 'mediatheques' denoting a broader use, and we have forgotten that a museum is where a muse, an inspiration, is located.
On more mundane matters, there is a link between Doncaster and Birmingham libraries.
Doncaster Library is an example of the Chuckle Brothers early work, as the original white tiles started falling off soon after it was finished, hence the brown cladding.
Birmingham Library was never finished properly and was designed by John Madin to be clad in marble, in which it would have looked magnificent.
But the council decided to save money by having it finished in bare concrete which in time looked awful.
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Apparently they one they demolished in St George gate was a beautiful Carnigie library, it went with the White Lion Pub, Waverly Inn and Guild hall.
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There's a myriad of ways in which public libraries can be and are used. The larger ones in bigger cities are always jam-packed. Doncaster central library, for example, is used to house a citizens advice bureau desk and, as someone already mentioned, it helps those in poverty to access to internet. It's also used as a study space and as one of the best sources for local studies enthusiasts. They also organise a lot of event for the old folks which is going to become more important in the future as we face an ageing population and increased levels of social isolation.
They have to get imaginative in what they do and what they offer but no one has put any imagination into Donny library for decades.
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Are libraries as important in terms of usefulness as they used to be before the internet etc though?
Good question, don't know the answer but this summer I used Doncaster central library on a few occasions as a quiet place to go to prepare for job interviews etc and it struck me how few books were in there, it basically seems to be a place to go and use the Internet for free
The exception to this is the local studies area which is well used, not least by TRB.
I believe there is a proposal to relocate the library to the museum, which would probably further lessen its usage.
Indeed. I could spend my life in there, only emerging occasionally for sustenance.