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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Sprotyrover on June 24, 2017, 11:04:25 am
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Typical knee jerk reaction from a Corbynite twerp! Oooooh our cladding might not be as safe as it should be let's evacuate 5 tower blocks at midnight to watch the fun!
Papa Jezza and Aunty fat twit Di can go on telly and slag the govt off!!!
Ooooh too late it's a labour council behind this...Durrrr!
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Seems to me that Britain has a social housing crisis,no?
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No... seems to me that there are 5 million people here who shouldn't be.
Creating a jobs market where ordinary Joe can only hope to earning the minimum wage if they're lucky, can't get medical treatment because our free for all health services can't cope due to over population, that doesn't pay its way, his kids can't get into school due the local school being full of kids who don't speak English and soak up all funds etc etc.
Sort all that lot out and life will be so much better.
The sooner we are out of Europe the better,Close the borders!
There are 300,000 potential extremists sitting in Germany waiting for eu citizenship,let em stay there.
It's time we changed our outlook as a Nation half the bleeding planet would move here for a better life if they could, but why should we pay for the way their Govts operate?
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So we get rid of 5 million. What's your solution when the population that's left grows by 5 million?
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Seems to me that Britain has a social housing crisis,no?
There is an issue with social housing and the sub letting culture is rife amongst it,which in turn drags the housing officers into it.
Got a very close mate in London who was sub letting a room in north London somewhere about 7 years back.
There was 3 other rooms in the house that were all been sub let out .
A gas explosion. Next door took out that house and two more ,one been the house that my mate was sub letting a room from.
Non of the family's that was sub letting a room got any of the insurance payout,and it's not hard to work out who did get it.
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Sub letting was made a criminal offence in 2013 I seem to recall.
I wonder how many have been sent down to slopp out after been convicted of said crime .
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Sorry but I agree with Sproty
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Seems that the councils can't win in London with the tenants in high tower blocks.
There is an shocking fire in one where untold numbers died and the local community is knocking on local council officers doors playing hell up and rightly so.
It's now deemed that cladding used is not upto fire prevention spec amongst other issues.
Now in Camden 5 blocks are deemed at risk due to said cladding ,and in the first block residents have been asked to leave at the drop of a hat as the block is unsafe and Camden council can't garantee safety
Out of the block 83 flat tenants have refused to leave ,but they will now be forced out if needs be.
Seems that the tenants are not happy at all about this ,but how on earth is the local council supposed to do this bearing in mind what had just happened at the tower that went up in a blaze.
Now it seems that if you have a dog that the council can't or won't re house you .
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I'd let them stay, at their own risk and inconvenience.
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Got a feeling sub letting,brown envelopes,illegal immigrants,bent council employees and contractors,and sub standard cheap materials,plus poor workmanship may just come to the surface if a proper investigation comes about.
It is all about money in this country,I bet all the council offices in the London Boroughs have the latest fire prevention equipment installed,air conditioning,and are too hot in winter.
And that they pay the executives top wages so as to attract only the best in their field.
Would anyone like to bet me now, that the only result in the next two years is a significant rise in council tax payments to cover the extra cost of improving social housing, in most parts of the country.
And so it will carry on with people milking the system at both ends and those caught in the middle picking up the tab.
The companies caught out in this mess will declare themselves bankrupt,and the individuals will even now be protecting themselves,and protecting their assets while everything is up in the air.
There must be some very influential rich people involved in this in London,the outcome will be very interesting, or a very large cover up.
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Bloody foreigners, coming over here and horrifically burning to death along with their families and children. Who do they think they are eh?
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So we get rid of 5 million. What's your solution when the population that's left grows by 5 million?
Glyn you have to take a holistic approach to things,the Uk population was declining due to the low birth rate,people coming here from the poorer Eastern European countries, have been taking advantage of the exchange rates and our stupid benefits system,they don't work overtime because the govt tops up their wages,their kids benefit from our education system,the Eastern European gypies have cottoened on to the fact we are stupid enough to pay child benefit for kids in Slovakia,Romania et al ,and don't probably even exist,due to poor health services in their own countries they get themselves sorted here on the NHS.
Because they are on the minimum wage they don't contribute anything in tax, they live a minimalist llife style,i.e. 32 to a 2 up 2 down in Paige hall Sheffield. The money they save goes back home where they build themselves nice houses and set themselves up for a better life.
I don't blame them, go to Paige hall this evening and have a drive down Popple street, YOU WILL BE SHOCKED at what you see.
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Back to illegal subletting ,There was a case on Bally bridge about 8 years ago that I was involved with, cheeky Kurd sublet his flat in Sandbeck house to some Poles, he was getting it free as he was a refugee and the cheeky t**t was chargeing the Poles £650 a month rent!
Get ready because I guarantee there will be lots of similar stories arising out of the London fire.
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50 or so years ago the local British population of page hill was really upset when untold from Pakistan were brought in and housed in page hill.
Main complaints was it brought the whole area down and house values dropped as the surrounding area became run down with all sorts of problems that followed.
Today the well established Pakistan community are now up in arms and not happy because their house values have dropped and the standard of the area as dropped even more due to the shite from Romania that have been housed there.
Machomadness if whatever area of donny you live in was then used as a housing base for numerous family's from Romania been housed next door to you , wonder if you open them with open arms after your house value fell untold % .
There was a community of beggars from Romania who were only based in stavanger in Norway.they took over one house with about 40 to 50 living in it .
Beds R us .
Half would be out in the day day time begging all around stanvager or robbing from shops or persons in the town,while other half slept in the beds .at night time the day sleepers would hit the streets as prostitutes with protection from within their own ranks .while thevday time Romanian trash would sleep in the beds.
They was doing this for a couple of years before local police worked out what was going on.beforebthe net closed in they all left said house and turned up in Bergen doing the exact same thing.
The comman thing about this case is that a roaminian family rented a house out from a private owner ,who in turn lived abroad .rent was paid but untold Romanians had been moved in and the misery they caused in stavanger was transferred to Bergen .
All moneys gained from begging or via theft or whatever criminal act is then sent back to romainia to be spent mush higher up the roaminian gang land ladder.
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Back to illegal subletting ,There was a case on Bally bridge about 8 years ago that I was involved with, cheeky Kurd sublet his flat in Sandbeck house to some Poles, he was getting it free as he was a refugee and the cheeky t**t was chargeing the Poles £650 a month rent!
Get ready because I guarantee there will be lots of similar stories arising out of the London fire.
This is what I have been saying but pillocks on here say Iam been racist.
Across London it is rife and adding fuel to that fire is the fact many many many housing officers for local councils in London are ethnic .infacct some housing officers in councils are all ethnic and are a major issue in this problem.
I know for a fact that Hyde in London housing is over flowing with sub letting
But since some fcukwits on here have a DN post code they don't think it will effect them or turn a blind eye to it and deem anyone that brings this issue to the table as a racist you fcuking w**kers
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So we get rid of 5 million. What's your solution when the population that's left grows by 5 million?
Glyn you have to take a holistic approach to things,the Uk population was declining due to the low birth rate,people coming here from the poorer Eastern European countries, have been taking advantage of the exchange rates and our stupid benefits system,they don't work overtime because the govt tops up their wages,their kids benefit from our education system,the Eastern European gypies have cottoened on to the fact we are stupid enough to pay child benefit for kids in Slovakia,Romania et al ,and don't probably even exist,due to poor health services in their own countries they get themselves sorted here on the NHS.
Because they are on the minimum wage they don't contribute anything in tax, they live a minimalist llife style,i.e. 32 to a 2 up 2 down in Paige hall Sheffield. The money they save goes back home where they build themselves nice houses and set themselves up for a better life.
I don't blame them, go to Paige hall this evening and have a drive down Popple street, YOU WILL BE SHOCKED at what you see.
Forget holistics, let's concentrate on the premise you've based everything on.
1. The UK population hasn't declined at all since the 1960s, it's steadily grown. As it has for years before that
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/population
2. This is because far from the UK birth rate declining it's been pretty steady between 600,000 and 900,000 over the past century. Even when it has gone down it has always (with one small exception in the late 70s) been greater than the death rate. Which is why the population has grown.
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
So, no low birth rate, no declining population.
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Err pull the rest of my post to bits .......I'm patiently waiting!
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Err pull the rest of my post to bits .......I'm patiently waiting!
I don't need to. Your starting point, the whole premise it's based on, is wrong. And I'm sticking to my original question - purely about what you would do when the UK population rises to it's current level after you've removed 5 million people - which you tried to ignore by erroneously claiming the UK population was going down and not up.
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Oh I do apologise , now look at your graph and explain away how the polulation stays static for approx 20 odd years then rockets from 1991,it got nothing to do with the birth rate increasing I would wager?
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Look at the difference in birth rate and death rates between the flat time (birth rate only about 50,000pa higher than death rate) and now (about 200,000pa higher). Of course there were other factors, but that accounts for a sizable chunk of it.
Now then, can we get back to what I asked in the first place? You get rid of the 5mill that's suffocating our country now, but what do you do when the UK population grows by 5mill and replaces them? You could answer it by imagining that Scotland suddenly gets independence - that's gets rid of 5 million from the population. What happens when the number of people in the rest of the country grows to replace them? I'm not asking about who they are or what their lifestyle is, I'm talking purely about the numbers. The numbers that you brought to this thread.
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Well done Glynn Wigley you have made yourself look stupid again! on this forum, any body interested in the birth rate will know it has been declining,also in 2014 27 % of all births were to women born outside the UK.
The boom in population is caused by immigration not by Brits having more babies.
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Well done Glynn Wigley you have made yourself look stupid again! on this forum, any body interested in the birth rate will know it has been declining,also in 2014 27 % of all births were to women born outside the UK.
The boom in population is caused by immigration not by Brits having more babies.
Source?
And birth rate declining from when to when? The graph I linked to shows the birth rate about the same now as it was in 1970, and about 100,000 higher than it was in 2000. Is that what you call a decline?
Still no answer to my question yet though. Do you have one?
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Well done Glynn Wigley you have made yourself look stupid again! on this forum, any body interested in the birth rate will know it has been declining,also in 2014 27 % of all births were to women born outside the UK.
The boom in population is caused by immigration not by Brits having more babies.
Source?
Google historic birth rate in the United Kingdom
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Well done Glynn Wigley you have made yourself look stupid again! on this forum, any body interested in the birth rate will know it has been declining,also in 2014 27 % of all births were to women born outside the UK.
The boom in population is caused by immigration not by Brits having more babies.
Source?
Google historic birth rate in the United Kingdom
I did, that's where I got my link from. You want to evidence your claim, you do the bloody leg work.
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http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!
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http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!
That's the exact same link I gave.
2. This is because far from the UK birth rate declining it's been pretty steady between 600,000 and 900,000 over the past century. Even when it has gone down it has always (with one small exception in the late 70s) been greater than the death rate. Which is why the population has grown.
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
And birth rate declining from when to when? The graph I linked to shows the birth rate about the same now as it was in 1970, and about 100,000 higher than it was in 2000. Is that what you call a decline?
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Well you are guilty of being stupid, go back and read it properly!
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Scroll down and tell us what it says about mums!
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Scroll down and tell us what it says about mums!
I did read it. Just because the proportion is changing doesn't mean that total UK-born-mothers' births are in any long-term decline! They can just as easily both be growing! Unless you have some figures to show otherwise?
Still waiting to know what you'd do when the UK population grows to replace the 5 million. Or am I supposed to Google your answer to that to?
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Scroll down and tell us what it says about mums!
I don't have to because the population will flatline as it did prior to 1991.
I did read it. Just because the proportion is changing doesn't mean that total UK-born-mothers' births are in any long-term decline! They can just as easily both be growing! Unless you have some figures to show otherwise?
Still waiting to know what you'd do when the UK population grows to replace the 5 million. Or am I supposed to Google your answer to that to?
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I don't have to because the population would flat line as it did prior to 1991
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And what it says about births in 2014 is that 27% of children were born to mothers who themselves were not born in the U.K.
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I don't have to because the population would flat line as it did prior to 1991
Source?
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And what it says about births in 2014 is that 27% of children were born to mothers who themselves were not born in the U.K.
So? It's a percentage ratio. As I said, actual figures for both UK and non-UK births can still be growing even when the ratio changes.
Even if the non-UK were removed, the UK birth rate would still be above the death rate, and the population would increase. To replace the 5 million you want rid of. Than what? I'm rather getting the impression you're just trying to avoid giving an answer!
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The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
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The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
You're still avoiding giving an answer though - what would you expect to be done when the population grows to that amount again - or even before it gets to that amount, as you seem to think it's too many as it is? What do you think is the optimum maximum population for the UK, the tipping point before the country gets 'overcrowded'?
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Said this before Glynn
If a lift has a SWL number of 12 persons
and the said lift keeps on having 20 25 or 30 persons cramming into it
What do you honestly think will happen to said lift in time.
If you have 15 to 20 just using the lift all the time it will get by but with a massive strain on its working parts
When lift hits 25 to 30 or more the working parts can no longer carry the lift and it will fail in time.
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Of course in this day and age there is going to be more births than deaths but not to the extent the population shot up
Add to that most British families have one maybe two kids and then look at how many kids other families have and expect us to support
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Of course in this day and age there is going to be more births than deaths but not to the extent the population shot up
Add to that most British families have one maybe two kids and then look at how many kids other families have and expect us to support
2.4 kids is the average size of a normall British family .
Now without sounding racist or owt it's fact that the average family size of are friends from Middle East or parts of Asia is far bigger.
Now since certain races can't or won't intergrate into the way of British society that much higher family size rate turns into votes > not in my time or my kids time ,but maybe in my kids kids time them numbers of votes will become a major issue .
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The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
You're still avoiding giving an answer though - what would you expect to be done when the population grows to that amount again - or even before it gets to that amount, as you seem to think it's too many as it is? What do you think is the optimum maximum population for the UK, the tipping point before the country gets 'overcrowded'?
I have answered your question what on earth are you rabbiting on about?
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The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
You're still avoiding giving an answer though - what would you expect to be done when the population grows to that amount again - or even before it gets to that amount, as you seem to think it's too many as it is? What do you think is the optimum maximum population for the UK, the tipping point before the country gets 'overcrowded'?
I have answered your question what on earth are you rabbiting on about?
You've answered nothing, you've just said you couldn't give a shit.
The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
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Actually, although there's been serious debate about the use and application of statistics, I havent seen any answer to the question of what should be done once the population recovers from the forcible removal of 5 million.
Cheers
BobG
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Well the answer is obvious. Battle Royale the poor people's schools to reduce the population.
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Ahhh following the vote to leave the EU you now want to leave the World...
These people from races who dont wish to integrate would any of them be MP's, doctor's, nurses, actors, musicians' or members of the England cricket team by any chance? Just asking for clarity.
Thank goodness for all these foreigners in this country. At least it gives us someone to hate and blame all our problems on instead of looking at the real causes of social and political inequality and hardship. With the wealth in this country the most it has ever been - it is gained and distributed in the most unequal way it has ever been. And the more you blame that on the people at the bottom of the ladder - the more rungs the tax dodging hedge fund owners, property developers and arms dealers at the top will get away with putting on it.
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jun/17/wealth-gap-rises-as-uk-home-ownership-falls-resolution-foundation
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There is an example in British history of what would happen, that being the plague in 1347 . Prior to that the population was 4 million labourers wages were 3 pence a day, after 1 million people died, labourers wages rocketed to 1 shilling per day.
If 6 million peeps disappear from the labour market the companies which currently exploit their labour force will be in big trouble, they will either have to close down or put up their wages to a competitive rate, suddenly x million people are paying income tax.
Re locating your factory to a place with a favourable business tax regime might be an option.
Most of these companies are professional tax dodgers ,good luck to em.
The NHS will see immediate benefits because they can return to the standards of care they used to have,at no extra cost because as I said the 6 million aren't paying tax at the moment.
More tax income means more revenue to improve schools,health care etc.
As the population will now rise at its historical normal rate of 50,000 per annum an easily manageagable figure.
Problem solved!
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How many of your 6 million work in the NHS, care homes, agriculture, service industries... or are you going to get the remaining pensioners back out of retirement picking strawberries and wiping a***s?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk
The Black Death was a world wide plague by the way, it didnt move people from one country to another - just rats. And was notable for being spreading false ideas and rumours in how to stop it.
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How many of your 6 million work in the NHS, care homes, agriculture, service industries... or are you going to get the remaining pensioners back out of retirement picking strawberries and wiping a***s?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk
The Black Death was a world wide plague by the way, it didnt move people from one country to another - just rats. And was notable for being spreading false ideas and rumours in how to stop it.
You break it down and tell me Wilts, you are insinuating that we are a society which is dependant on cheap imported labour being paid the minimum wage and on zero hours contracts, the skilled folks we employ have been coaxed away from Third world countries where their skills are needed, how fair is that.
Migrant fruit pickers are staying away because now we have a weak pound they can earn more in France and Germany.
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How many of your 6 million work in the NHS, care homes, agriculture, service industries... or are you going to get the remaining pensioners back out of retirement picking strawberries and wiping a***s?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk
The Black Death was a world wide plague by the way, it didnt move people from one country to another - just rats. And was notable for being spreading false ideas and rumours in how to stop it.
You break it down and tell me Wilts, you are insinuating that we are a society which is dependant on cheap imported labour being paid the minimum wage and on zero hours contracts, the skilled folks we employ have been coaxed away from Third world countries where their skills are needed, how fair is that.
Migrant fruit pickers are staying away because now we have a weak pound they can earn more in France and Germany.
But that's exactly what you said in the first page of this thread!
Because they are on the minimum wage they don't contribute anything in tax
because as I said the 6 million aren't paying tax at the moment
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THis is a repeat I know, but the debate warrants it I think.
If even the press is starting to notice, then something, clearly, is up Sproty:
Interesting articles in the papers yesterday and the day before making the point that effectively we are reverting to a pre-industrialised society in terms of employment, the casualisation of work and de-unionisation. Wealth is increasingly concentrated, once more, in the hands of the landed and property and asset owning classes. This is in turn impacting wages and living standards. At the same time it is becoming increasingly clear that the only choice on offer for Brexit is either a hard Brexit with no single market or customs union access, or, to remain. Anything else is just fantasy. Personally, I still think Brexit is the longest assisted suicide note in history - courtesy of Messrs Dacre, Murdoch, Farage, Johnson and Gove. A divided Tory party has now ended up dividing the country and the generations as well.
BobG
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If you're smart enough you can use statistics to support any argument that you want. So, to simplify things I'll base my judgment on my own personal experience.
I've worked with many immigrants over the past few years. The majority were sound, one or two were arseholes. However, without exception each one of them worked their bollox off and paid their taxes, so contributed to the economy of the UK. Can I say the same about all the English fellas I've worked with? No chance! Again, from my experience while many are sound, a significant proportion are lazy bas**rds, think that the world owes them a living, aren't willing to put themselves out, chuck sickies, don't turn up for work and can generally be complete pains in the arse.
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If you're smart enough you can use statistics to support any argument that you want. So, to simplify things I'll base my judgment on my own personal experience.
I've worked with many immigrants over the past few years. The majority were sound, one or two were arseholes. However, without exception each one of them worked their bollox off and paid their taxes, so contributed to the economy of the UK. Can I say the same about all the English fellas I've worked with? No chance! Again, from my experience while many are sound, a significant proportion are lazy bas**rds, think that the world owes them a living, aren't willing to put themselves out, chuck sickies, don't turn up for work and can generally be complete pains in the arse.
I'm afraid you make a valid point Herbert,but their previous willingness to come here and work for low wages has encouraged the situation where we find ourselves today, the jobs ladder has disappeared employers treat their staff with little regard as there are plenty more where you came from is now the norm,look at the recent carry on a sports direct they are typical of so many firms today,that just doesn't value it's workforce.
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employers treat their staff with little regard as there are plenty more where you came from is now the norm,look at the recent carry on a sports direct they are typical of so many firms today,that just doesn't value it's workforce.
Just like they did before there was industrial relations legislation, you know the stuff that the Tories have got rid of. The way they treat their workforces now is how they've always wanted to treat them, it's nothing to do with immigrants.
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It's the fault of the people on low wages that bosses are paying them low wages - you want to borrow my book on the Tolpuddle Martyrs?
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Please knock me back if Iam wrong but low wages is part and parcel of society is it not .
Can anyone ever tell me when there was never such a thing as a low wage ?
If your on a low wage and you want a higher wage you have to better yourself and don't wallow about in your own shite fealing the world owes you a higher wage.
If you was not born with a silver spoon in your mouth tough shit ,it's the fault of them that had silver spoons in their gobs that there are untold on low wages.
Society cant pay lower wage structure through life ,as a hard working welder would do arse up head down and graft .
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Of course some wages are lower than others, but people still need to be able to live on them.
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And employers in the UK wont suddenly pay higher wages if they dont have to - they will just lay people off and move to Mumbai. As this bank who were happy enough to take a bailout funded by UK taxpayers money have just done.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/25/rbs-to-cut-hundreds-of-uk-jobs-in-move-to-india
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Don't mind me, just wading in with some facts.
EU immigrants who moved here since 2001 pay in on average £1.34 to the economy for every £1 they take out.
EU immigrants who have lived here (NOT moved here - important distinction) any time between 1995 and 2012 (this means they could have lived here for decades, had children, grown old etc) pay on average £1.05 for every £1 they take out.
Non-EU immigrants who moved here since 2001 pay in on average £1.02 to the economy for every £1 they take out.
Non-EU immigrants who have lived here any time between 1995 and 2012 pay on average 85p for every £1 they take out.
So in reality the only group of immigrants who take out more than they put in are non-EU immigrants (ie the ones we've always been most easily able to stop coming in), and even then only the ones who in many cases have been here decades anyway. Note this figure doesn't take into account the impact any immigrant's children have on the economy (for example, if an immigrant from India came over in the 70s and had children in Britain), although it does still take into account child tax credits and other benefits.
Naturally those who are younger put in far more than those who have been here a long time, who tend to need more state assistance as they get older, and unless you fancy going around culling a load of pensioners there's no way around that. This is the important bit: if we stop new immigrants of working age coming in and paying taxes, we're going to end up with an ageing immigrant population without enough taxpayers to help support them. That's when the shit really starts hitting the fan.
If you're trying to make the claim immigrants are causing strain on public services, I'm sorry, it just isn't true. It's objectively, factually wrong. Mismanagement of government funds and failed economic policy is where your finger should be pointing. It also raises the question: if immigrants are putting in far more than they take out (which they are), who's going to make up the shortfall if we boot them all out or stop younger, working age ones coming in? Ironically, clamping down hard on immigration could actually put more pressure on public services in the long run as the population ages without a young immigrant workforce in place to support them.
Source is full fact, so there's no spin on any of this (not the numbers anyhow), though I'm sure some in this thread would like to try and find some. https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu-immigrants-contribute-134-every-1-they-receive/
Not even getting into blaming immigrants for being willing to work for low wages, because it's f**king stupid.
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All sounds ok to me ,but after saying that I believed that I saw a photo of corbyn stood next to a topless lady at glanstonbury untill it turns out some pillock fcuked about with the photo.
Iam not one for tracking down what whoever puts up as Iam happy with face value and above as value.
Only thing I can add is that U.K. Should have exact immigration policy as Australia as I belive they have a pick and choose type of system .
Which seems a lot better than the UKs free for all today.
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Iam not one for tracking down what whoever puts up as Iam happy with face value and above as value.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law.. the Nazis would've loved someone like you about back in the day.
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They would not have redj as I would have grassed them up fella, and their excursion into Poland could well have been prevented .
It's a bit of a very rude assumption is that son
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They would not have redj as I would have grassed them up fella, and their excursion into Poland could well have been prevented .
It's a bit of a very rude assumption is that son
You're a fine one to talk about rude assumptions!
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All sounds ok to me ,but after saying that I believed that I saw a photo of corbyn stood next to a topless lady at glanstonbury untill it turns out some pillock fcuked about with the photo.
Iam not one for tracking down what whoever puts up as Iam happy with face value and above as value.
Only thing I can add is that U.K. Should have exact immigration policy as Australia as I belive they have a pick and choose type of system .
Which seems a lot better than the UKs free for all today.
Funnily enough that's what Jeremy Corbyn suggested too:
The basis of Mr Corbyn’s post-Brexit immigration policy is a green card system. Anyone who successfully applied would have permanent residency rights.
All EU citizens living here would be granted a card and applications would be open to anyone with ‘family connections, a job offer, relevant skills for employment and refugee or asylum status’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4558196/Jeremy-Corbyn-does-not-rule-unskilled-migrant-visa.html
We dont have a free for all policy btw. Anyone from outside the EU requires a visa or various hoops to stay.
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Iam not one for tracking down what whoever puts up as Iam happy with face value and above as value.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law.. the Nazis would've loved someone like you about back in the day.
this fcuking anne frank slag >>>
why this left wing fcukwitt sits in an attic moaning fcuk knows> no doubt i will be called racist/antijewish for saying this btu why that fcuker was sub letting his attic out???? asking for truble in my book not that the high and mighty on here will admitt,,,,
anyway no problem with her speaking her mind but she should put her sen up for election and do it the proper way>>>> not sit moaning like a daft bint in an attic????
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They would not have redj as I would have grassed them up fella, and their excursion into Poland could well have been prevented .
It's a bit of a very rude assumption is that son
You're a fine one to talk about rude assumptions!
I have never claimed to be perfect Glynn ,you point me to who is and I will get my arse out and show off my star of India right infront of the Rotherham United dugout when rovers play them at millmoor.
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Iam not one for tracking down what whoever puts up as Iam happy with face value and above as value.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law.. the Nazis would've loved someone like you about back in the day.
this fcuking anne frank slag >>>
why this left wing fcukwitt sits in an attic moaning fcuk knows> no doubt i will be called racist/antijewish for saying this btu why that fcuker was sub letting his attic out???? asking for truble in my book not that the high and mighty on here will admitt,,,,
anyway no problem with her speaking her mind but she should put her sen up for election and do it the proper way>>>> not sit moaning like a daft bint in an attic????
You have issues fella think and say dolphins dolphins dolphins very slowly .
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Colour of skin,nationality,or religion should be nothing to do with whether a person can live in this great country of ours.
If they are E.U. citizens they have aright to be residents,travel to,and work here under the present rules,as we have in any E.U.state as I understand it.
That is not a problem to me,nor is anyone from outside the E.U. who have the right paperwork,and are here legally from anywhere in the world.
I do have a problem with so called illegal immigrants
and criminals who have entered this country, and the legal industry that make vast amounts of money out of the legal system defending their so called human rights to be here.
No money from the public purse should be available to lawyers for legal costs, and the people living here illegally should be expelled.
And the gang masters,and employers exploiting these people,expelled if they are foreign nationals,and any assets at all confiscated,leaving them with nothing.
If they are British I would strip them of all assets and jail them for 10yrs minimum.
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And employers in the UK wont suddenly pay higher wages if they dont have to - they will just lay people off and move to Mumbai. As this bank who were happy enough to take a bailout funded by UK taxpayers money have just done.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/25/rbs-to-cut-hundreds-of-uk-jobs-in-move-to-india
Not actually much you can say to this bit
" as the bank moves its team that arranges loans for small businesses to India."
no understanding and tick boxes
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They would not have redj as I would have grassed them up fella, and their excursion into Poland could well have been prevented .
It's a bit of a very rude assumption is that son
Now, now. The Nazis were clever with their propaganda, all I wanted to demonstrate is that someone who just takes what they see at face value without question can easily be led astray, without even realising it.
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And propagandists move with the times too. Autres termps, autre moeurs. We're seeing that right now with the move away from the role of central government in the Grenfell House disaster for example, we saw examples during the referendum campaign too (from both sides I should say) and we've seen 20+ years of it from the right wing press trying to deliver their private agenda.
BobG
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They would not have redj as I would have grassed them up fella, and their excursion into Poland could well have been prevented .
It's a bit of a very rude assumption is that son
Now, now. The Nazis were clever with their propaganda, all I wanted to demonstrate is that someone who just takes what they see at face value without question can easily be led astray, without even realising it.
Good point fella , and a cunning way of getting your point across as you blind sided me .honestly thought that you was implying that I was an German SS officer of sorts and that I was goose stepping on my balcony with right arm Zeig hails .
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I wasn't sure who she was so I've just googled her. Not to sure on her policies etc, but the main thing is , I would 😉
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You mean Anne frank .think she is the jewish girl that was hiding in a house within the rafters somewhere in holland from ze Germans .
Her only view of outside world was a tree outside her den within the house ,and she was doing drawings or something .
Don't quite recall if it's a happy or sad ending thou.
Sure I watched a documentary about her on a noggy tv station about 10 years back .
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It did not end well I'm afraid, and the house was in Amsterdam. One of the prime places I'd like to visit in Europe when I'm well enough to get around the continent.
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No... seems to me that there are 5 million people here who shouldn't be.
Creating a jobs market where ordinary Joe can only hope to earning the minimum wage if they're lucky, can't get medical treatment because our free for all health services can't cope due to over population, that doesn't pay its way, his kids can't get into school due the local school being full of kids who don't speak English and soak up all funds etc etc.
Sort all that lot out and life will be so much better.
The sooner we are out of Europe the better,Close the borders!
There are 300,000 potential extremists sitting in Germany waiting for eu citizenship,let em stay there.
It's time we changed our outlook as a Nation half the bleeding planet would move here for a better life if they could, but why should we pay for the way their Govts operate?
Sproty I can't believe you've written all that - knowing most if not all of your assertions are untrue .Feck me do you really believe what you've written ?
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The difference between births and deaths is approx 200,00, 700,00 births and 500,000 deaths take away 27% from the births,the difference is 50 k per annum so I haven't got a lot to worry about for at least a life time!
You're still avoiding giving an answer though - what would you expect to be done when the population grows to that amount again - or even before it gets to that amount, as you seem to think it's too many as it is? What do you think is the optimum maximum population for the UK, the tipping point before the country gets 'overcrowded'?
I have answered your question what on earth are you rabbiting on about?
You've answered nothing what happens to the next 5 million or so that you want rid of and what is your " capped " figure .
Death camps, a national neutering programme, ?
Wtf has got into people when they obsess about immigration. Incidentally - I worry about the attitudes that some have its f** king dangerous thinking and reminds me of somewhere else in the 1930s.......
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Hoola I merely pointed out that we are jacked up as a society to cater for a population of 60 million .we have had a massive influx of cheap foreign labour and as a consequence there is no increase in income tax take.
And therefore an actual decline in revenue as they have kept wages low..
Under the normal birth rate in this country there would not be a problem.
I haven't mentioned any of the appalling solutions you have in mind.
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And propagandists move with the times too. Autres termps, autre moeurs. We're seeing that right now with the move away from the role of central government in the Grenfell House disaster for example, we saw examples during the referendum campaign too (from both sides I should say) and we've seen 20+ years of it from the right wing press trying to deliver their private agenda.
BobG
We have Bob but " tired " old Labour and a surge to the Left ( Corbyn's Left ) is not the answer . Despite this current surge this country remains a mostly " Centrist " I. E. conservative country- now is the time for the birth of a progressive new Party.
I know that the recent election threw up some weird divisions and many claim that there was ano 80-85 % result in favour of Brexit but this does NOT take account of massive tactical voting patterns .
We need PR now , more than ever, to stop this wasteful Left /Right pull immediately ready for an Autumn or perhaps Spring election. No of course they won't achieve much yet but they have to " bed" themselves in . Perhaps an amalgamation of the lib/ Dems and Green Parties with some additions from dissident Tories and Labour PLP bods . It certainly would give a new Party constituency bases i. e. Liberal clubs and and the financial infrastructure that certainly , in the early days , would be needed to fight effective campaigns under one banner. Any thoughts, do they have enough in common ?
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Hoola I merely pointed out that we are jacked up as a society to cater for a population of 60 million .we have had a massive influx of cheap foreign labour and as a consequence there is no increase in income tax take.
And therefore an actual decline in revenue as they have kept wages low..
Under the normal birth rate in this country there would not be a problem.
I haven't mentioned any of the appalling solutions you have in mind.
I know you haven't and agree they were my suggestions .
Look this country has had the benefit of revenue from many of the " extra " 5 million people for the last 40 years as well as huge revenues from North Sea Oil & Gas exploration , consumption and taxation- where has all this frigging money gone ?
It has not gone to the " extra" 5 million or so mainly non- British tax payers - it has left the country and not to Poland or Romania but with tax exiles, avoiders and the quick buck merchants that have been playing with this country's economy and assets for years. They have bought our companies on the cheap, money that should have been used for vital infrastructure has simply disappeared into a " black hole " .
Other countries that have had to cope with much higher ( in ratio terms ) increases in their Immigration seem to have prospered and invested in their countries .....look at Germany and France . Surely you have travelled abroad and used their trains, trams, hospitals, roads etc . They are not hanging around , yes like our people they groan about their immigrants too I grant you but they get on with it , collect their taxation , build their schools and hospitals and ensure that the health,safety and comfort of their people is a priority THE priority meanwhile we expect our people to put up with it all .
All the time we search for scapegoats to cover up for OUR own failure made so much easier when we have a rabid Right wing Press to point to the finger of blame at others rather than their thieving selves.
Today it's the turn again of immigrants Poles , Romanians and other Eastern Europeans. Before it was the turn of Pakis and Wogs ( not my terminology btw ) , Jews & Afro- Caribbeans - always someone else to blame and whilst the general population was pointing the finger at them , guess what ; the thieves were at it again and pulling the wool over your eyes.
This has little to do with your argument with Glyn over the pop. growth only in so much as I am trying to point out that we have as a country allowed others from here and elsewhere to prosper at our expense all the time misleading this country as to the cause of our neglect in what should be the finest infrastructure in Europe.
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Colour of skin,nationality,or religion should be nothing to do with whether a person can live in this great country of ours.
If they are E.U. citizens they have aright to be residents,travel to,and work here under the present rules,as we have in any E.U.state as I understand it.
That is not a problem to me,nor is anyone from outside the E.U. who have the right paperwork,and are here legally from anywhere in the world.
I do have a problem with so called illegal immigrants
and criminals who have entered this country, and the legal industry that make vast amounts of money out of the legal system defending their so called human rights to be here.
No money from the public purse should be available to lawyers for legal costs, and the people living here illegally should be expelled.
And the gang masters,and employers exploiting these people,expelled if they are foreign nationals,and any assets at all confiscated,leaving them with nothing.
If they are British I would strip them of all assets and jail them for 10yrs minimum.
Good post Selby and I agree with practically all you have said , only we have every right to deny known criminals from this country. I like your idea of denying legal aid to foreign criminals . It has to be remembered here that we have every right to deny known criminals access in the first place.
However, like many, I do agree that we should have had a moratorium on movement from Eastern Europe at least until we get our house in order.
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Colour of skin,nationality,or religion should be nothing to do with whether a person can live in this great country of ours.
If they are E.U. citizens they have aright to be residents,travel to,and work here under the present rules,as we have in any E.U.state as I understand it.
That is not a problem to me,nor is anyone from outside the E.U. who have the right paperwork,and are here legally from anywhere in the world.
I do have a problem with so called illegal immigrants
and criminals who have entered this country, and the legal industry that make vast amounts of money out of the legal system defending their so called human rights to be here.
No money from the public purse should be available to lawyers for legal costs, and the people living here illegally should be expelled.
And the gang masters,and employers exploiting these people,expelled if they are foreign nationals,and any assets at all confiscated,leaving them with nothing.
If they are British I would strip them of all assets and jail them for 10yrs minimum.
However, like many, I do agree that we should have had a moratorium on movement from Eastern Europe at least until we get our house in order.
"Had",as in sometime in the past,when and how? What if that was deemed by Mr Verhofstadt as not being a good pro EU'er? + "get our house in order",in what way,until sufficient housing and all other social provision is in place? When would you start controls,next month, last year, two years ago,15 years ago? Billy Stubbs would call that irresponsible student politics(on a good day). How could Britain put in controls as members committed to the first principle of the EU,ever closer union?
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Amd then we have the problems with refugees entering the country with no known history of their past
Granted there are genuine cases but also unknown rapists, murderers etc gaining access
We are sat on a powder keg at the moment look at Hexthorpe or what is happening in Sheffield
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Amd then we have the problems with refugees entering the country with no known history of their past
Granted there are genuine cases but also unknown rapists, murderers etc gaining access
We are sat on a powder keg at the moment look at Hexthorpe or what is happening in Sheffield
Is this the same 'too many immigrants' powder keg we've been warned about for the past century or so or a different 'too many immigrants' powder keg?
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Glynn don't live in hextjorpe or page hill ,so in his comfort zone there is fcuk all to worry about.
I put my house on it that if did live in page hill and all this shit was dumped on his front door step
he be on numerous edl marches by now with sixteen hole DMs and bleached jeans half way up his legs and a new hair cut right down to the wood.
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Not according to the BBC.
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Glynn don't live in hextjorpe or page hill ,so in his comfort zone there is fcuk all to worry about.
I put my house on it that if did live in page hill and all this shit was dumped on his front door step
he be on numerous edl marches by now with sixteen hole DMs and bleached jeans half way up his legs and a new hair cut right down to the wood.
Oh well, bad news then for people who voted to leave that Thersea is letting 'all them' all stay if they want to.
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There won't be many staying if the pound stays loe
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Not according to the BBC.
Fcuk me Glynn you can't be that fick to take any note what the bbc ever release
on these type of issues ,when you take the type of political stance that news channel is drowning in.
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A low exchange rate is one ploy to make exports cheap,and attractive here for tourists.
More people will take holidays at home,aided by the Spanish threat to our claim culture.
Foreign companies will want to invest here for cheap labour,only this time it will be the British workforce who will be cheap.
Inflation here will demand that we spend the same on less, a win win for any conservative employer.
We could be the new China,in the mean time the money makers will go to wherever the largest profit is.
Interest rates will go up to make more money for the banks who will be deregulated so as to stay in London with shell companies in the E.U. to cover that area.
Corporation tax will be the lowest in Europe,VAT,car tax,and fuel tax will be increased,and some drugs could be legalised and taxed.
Some hospital and doctors appointments will no longer be free at the point of use,Identification cards to be introduced.
Some of my predictions to be introduced over the next ten years,and can I add some form of legal euthanasia to that list.And if I am right I will consider this option,oh and the Rovers will be champions of Europe,well Leeds had a dream why cant I.
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Where the money has gone is pretty clear tbh. These are just a few random facts from the Office of National Statistics.
Chief executives in the FTSE 100 earned 129 times more than their average employee, according to the most recent statistics from the High Pay centre. The bosses' earnings are up a third since 2010, a period over which average wages have risen 8.1 per cent, according to ONS figures.
The richest 1 per cent of people in the UK own almost a quarter of the country’s wealth (24%).
Britain’s richest households have pulled further ahead of the rest of the population as house prices have accelerated, with the top 10% now owning almost half of the country’s £11.1tn total private wealth.
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the average household was worth £225,100 in 2012-14, when it carried out its latest survey of the country’s assets.
Since the previous survey two years earlier, the top tenth of households had seen a 21% increase in their wealth, including property and shares. That was three times as fast as the increase over the same period for the poorest half of households, who saw their wealth rise by 7%.
You can gather this kind of stat by the aircraft carrier load if you look. The basic fact is plain: more and more wealth is being aggregated into fewer and fewer hands. Given that money usually = power that could now be self perpetuating.
BobG
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Typical knee jerk reaction from a Corbynite twerp! Oooooh our cladding might not be as safe as it should be let's evacuate 5 tower blocks at midnight to watch the fun!
Papa Jezza and Aunty fat twit Di can go on telly and slag the govt off!!!
Ooooh too late it's a labour council behind this...Durrrr!
This what happens when amateurs run the councils . These uneducated politically biased opportunists will take full advantage to stake their claim to embarrass the government at the expense of those who perished. Shame on them .
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Not according to the BBC.
Fcuk me Glynn you can't be that fick to take any note what the bbc ever release
on these type of issues ,when you take the type of political stance that news channel is drowning in.
Fine, you give me a link to somewhere credible with reports that things are now 'kicking off' in Sheffield or Hexthorpe then.
Oh, I forgot, you can't arsed to can back up your BS can you?
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Not according to the BBC.
Fcuk me Glynn you can't be that fick to take any note what the bbc ever release
on these type of issues ,when you take the type of political stance that news channel is drowning in.
Fine, you give me a link to somewhere credible with reports that things are now 'kicking off' in Sheffield or Hexthorpe then.
Oh, I forgot, you can't arsed to can back up your BS can you?
What the exact same type of link that was not out there through the roachdale grooming mess as the police and government did its upmost not to blow it wide open because they did not want too upset the local Pakistan community .
I was first told about the issues with the roma residents of page hill from a Pakistan taxi driver when I was back in donny about 3 or 4 years ago.
I was in two minds untill he showed me the footage on his phone .
Now try to use same taxi driver whenever Iam back in donny as he is fuuny as owt ,and i keep telling him he should be a stand up.
Glynn my world don't run on links to back up facts or figures .
Why don't you just drive out to page hill and see for yourself
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So it's not kicking off in Sheffield etc my mistake
Not according to the BBC.
Fcuk me Glynn you can't be that fick to take any note what the bbc ever release
on these type of issues ,when you take the type of political stance that news channel is drowning in.
Fine, you give me a link to somewhere credible with reports that things are now 'kicking off' in Sheffield or Hexthorpe then.
Oh, I forgot, you can't arsed to can back up your BS can you?
What the exact same type of link that was not out there through the roachdale grooming mess as the police and government did its upmost not to blow it wide open because they did not want too upset the local Pakistan community .
I was first told about the issues with the roma residents of page hill from a Pakistan taxi driver when I was back in donny about 3 or 4 years ago.
I was in two minds untill he showed me the footage on his phone .
Now try to use same taxi driver whenever Iam back in donny as he is fuuny as owt ,and i keep telling him he should be a stand up.
So, you're giving me the same nothing that I found when I looked for it.
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There was a news report that was on the tv ,no idea which channel or what news station.
But to give you an idea of what's going on out there ,two Roma persons walked into a local shop and asked the owner if they wanted to buy a baby.
Now I can't tell you if they had a baby tucked away under their coat ,or if they actually had a baby for sale ,but the worrying thing is that
that these Roma asked the question.
On same news footage local Pakistan people were in uproar about how the Roma men are causing havoc all day and night long and police allways keep away.
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I said I wanted a credible report. I can't find one, andyYour record isn't exactly spotless in that regard so I can't be bothered reading whatever fairy story you've got.
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I said I wanted a credible report. I can't find one, andyYour record isn't exactly spotless in that regard so I can't be bothered reading whatever fairy story you've got.
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-380241.html
Read the above link to a forum Glynn and get your head up from out of the sand and stop living in cloud cuckoo land .
This is a forum where local residents post on about page hall ,and it's just as bad as the footage as to what that taxi driver showed me a few years back.
So like I asked if this Roma lot lot appeared on your doorstep enmass over a short time ,what would you do or think
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I said I wanted a credible report. I can't find one, andyYour record isn't exactly spotless in that regard so I can't be bothered reading whatever fairy story you've got.
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-380241.html
Read the above link to a forum Glynn and get your head up from out of the sand and stop living in cloud cuckoo land .
This is a forum where local residents post on about page hall ,and it's just as bad as the footage as to what that taxi driver showed me a few years back.
So like I asked if this Roma lot lot appeared on your doorstep enmass over a short time ,what would you do or think
I took one look at the date and didn't bother. I was told things are 'kicking off' ie present tense. One (possibly isolated?) incident nearly ten years ago isn't 'kicking off'.
I mean, c'mon, if it's a real trouble spot there with loads of racial problems there'd be news reports of incidents all over the BBC Sheffield and local press sites...yet all you've got is a forum of randoms from ten years ago!
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So there hasn't been two serious incidents in the Spital hill area of Sheffield in the last week including a shooting?
Try listening to the news today on Radio Sheffield
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Spend 5 mins and read all the write uos from the local residents.
10 years ago you say ,wonder if that 80 year old lady that had two Roma family's moved in either side of her and causing havoc for her.
An 80 year old girl having fully grown men pissing outside her doorstep .we all know how the old like to try and keep them sens busy but she stopped putting hanging her washing out in her back garden because it was getting stolen all the time.
All the shite that's been thrown out onto her street from the dirty roma bas**rds beds broken furniture and house hold waste etc etc.
Continues noise from both sides of her walls ,cars been driven up and down her street rally style 24/24,
Fully grown men out all night on the street drinking out of cans ,and in the day time you have to walk onto the road to by pass them as they block the pavement .> do you recall when we was brought up to stand aside for ladys and the old on pavements Glynn .well these Roma f**kers don't.
This is the best one as the local Muslim community don't even want them in their local mosque.
Kicking off might be the wrong word ,but that is all that you are interested in Glynn words not the fact that you can open your front door and see grown men pissing onto your doorstep.
The exact same doorstep that the old girl back in her day would have got down on her hands and Knees with a tin bucket of soapy water and hand sized scrubbing brush to scrub her doorstep clean > because she was proud and did it to keep up wth her neighbours .
That old girl could have been your mum or your nan nan ,if it was not your gran or mum you don't give two shits Glynn as it don't effect you personally .
But it is somebody's gran or mum and that's where I give a shit .
What's that term ' Iam all right jack ( Glynn ) '
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So there hasn't been two serious incidents in the Spital hill area of Sheffield in the last week including a shooting?
Try listening to the news today on Radio Sheffield
Shootings can be done by anyone fella as the London mayor said " it's part of living in a big city"
But it's the lesser things like pissing on someone's front doorstep etc etc that really rattles my cage .
Ok there are bad English neighbours that make noise and are un social but not a full neighbourhood .
What have they actually said on radio Sheffield ? Drug related I guess
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So there hasn't been two serious incidents in the Spital hill area of Sheffield in the last week including a shooting?
Try listening to the news today on Radio Sheffield
Just read up on it drugs > gangs
Gang A from solmanian
Gang B all Kurdish
A+B dumped into whatever Sheffield neighbourhood maybe 10 years ago .said neighbourhood has been run down by its new residents that were all housed etc etc and today there is guns been fired in the neighbourhood because they have pushed the price of drugs up .
But hey likes of Glynn don't live in this area so let's all stick your heads back into the sand .
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Yeah, if they weren't there there'd be no-one selling drugs in Sheffield because only immigrants do it, don't they? I mean, before immigrants came there was never any gang wars in Sheffield were there? Oh, wait...
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It's clearly not an issue where Glyn lives so he can pretend its not happening.
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It was happening before the immigrants, it's still happening. And no doubt they'll get accused of not integrating. Sounds like they're fitting in really well.
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Yeah, if they weren't there there'd be no-one selling drugs in Sheffield because only immigrants do it, don't they? I mean, before immigrants came there was never any gang wars in Sheffield were there? Oh, wait...
So your first head in the sand reaction was to keep on asking me to produce links that
described that it was kicking off .
After I brought a link to a residents forum to issues caused by Slovakian Roma in page hill,Glynn sticks his head back into the sand by saying the evidence was 10 years old so he would not read it .
I was flabbergasted as to how far you will go by putting your head deeper into the sand.
I gave up hope .
Then mr dagenham rover brings evidence to the table that African and Kurdish drugs gangs in one neighbourhood very similar to page hill are now shooting guns at each other in a drugs war ,and its hot off the press in this weeks news.
But Glynn still keeps his head in the sand by saying 'yes if they was not there no one else would be selling drugs in Sheffield because nobody would do it'
This is the problem with U.K. Today pillocks like Glynn who refuse to accept what is going on .
When I point it out as I know it's going on Iam asked for fcuking links ffs ,and when such a link is brought up head in sand head Glynn throws the link out because it's 10 years old
To which in that last 10 years the said neighbourhood as got worse and worse and worse and here we are today with guns been fired .
So with that thought process Glynn in 10 years time will you then dismiss that there was two shootings incidents in Sheffield this week .
Like I have said and now Del Boy point out ,because it's not actually happening on your door step it don't effect you and you don't give two fcuks about what the 80 year old lady was putting up with.
I could draw a list up of like minded pillocks just on here Glynn so your not alone fella.
Just try to think how bad likes of page hill will be in another 10 years ,and how other close by areas will have been taken over by even more Slovakian Roma move in and you will still have your heads in the sand.
Every two weeks Slovakian Roma are put onto 3 full coaches that drives the 30 hour journey to page hill area of Sheffield .only two coaches ever return full and process is repeated .
53,seats per coach = 159 Roma with two full coaches going back > that leaves 53,Roma every two weeks looking for somewhere to piss in page hill.
But in Glynns world this don't happen because there are no links to it
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It was happening before the immigrants, it's still happening. And no doubt they'll get accused of not integrating. Sounds like they're fitting in really well.
You telling me that before the Roma turned up in page hill that the local Pakistan community was
walking about with their Cocks out pissing on whoevers door step ,throwing beds and broken furniture out into the middle of the street .stealing anything or everything that's not tied down even old lady's washing .
Glynn why can't you put yourself in that 80 year old lady's shoes ? But you will dodge that because it's not your gran or mam .
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How would you know? Answer is, as usual, you know f**k all but it doesn't stop you spouting about it.
My family is a Sheffield family on both my Mum and Dad's side, most of my relatives live all over Sheffield. I was born in Sheffield myself. I'm the only member of my family that doesn't support Sheffield United!
Obviously I therefore know f**k all about Sheffield, so what are your credentials?
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Glynn Iam sorry fella and Iam standing down on this part of the thread .
Your last post was not what any person should have to do to fight their corner and I feal as thou I pushed you to it.
I know that you think Iam a Kunt and I can live with that ,but it would not rest well with me if I started to think you was one ,I mean it's not as if your a Rotherham fan is it .
On this subject Iam happy with a beg to differ verdict .
Ps how do you spell ostrich
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Not a good indictment of the gene pool Glyn but at least you escaped
By the way that was tongue in cheek
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
People who are qualified ?
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
People who are qualified ?
Qualified to be councillors? so how exactly do you go about getting that qualification then?
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
People who are qualified ?
Qualified to be councillors? so how exactly do you go about getting that qualification then?
Get elected, you're an instant expert
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
People who are qualified ?
Qualified to be councillors? so how exactly do you go about getting that qualification then?
Amateur she is too young but knows to play the blame game .To put yourself in front of a camera and her first instinct was to blame everything on her previous elected colleagues , typical politician don't take responsibility let others bare it . She is the daughter of a Labour politician and clearly has been groomed for her first political steps .
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And who do you propose we get to run councils, if not 'amateurs' as you put it?
People who are qualified ?
Qualified to be councillors? so how exactly do you go about getting that qualification then?
Amateur she is too young but knows to play the blame game .To put yourself in front of a camera and her first instinct was to blame everything on her previous elected colleagues , typical politician don't take responsibility let others bare it . She is the daughter of a Labour politician and clearly has been groomed for her first political steps .
Ah, so if you're young and your parents are in politics already - especially if they belong to a party you don't like - you're unqualified to be a councillor. Got you.
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Listening to late night radio yesterday,they spoke about the reasons people were asked to move for safety reasons from the five blocks.
Poor and dangerous electric connections circumnavigating the mains system,poor and dangerous gas connections that were illegal connections,and more than two hundred fire doors missing in the five blocks were the main reasons given on the programme.
That and the cladding problem caused the council to act as fast as they did.
I have not seen this reported anywhere else,probably for political reasons,it does not count if it is the fault of the tenants.
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Unfortunately these things have not happened in last few days so have obviously been overlooked/had a blind eye turned
Have involvement with housing officers and a lot of these guys are stealing money - there are some good ones btw
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I had a lot to do with Bally bridge a decade ago, the housing officer was brilliant Julie J,but getting tenants to do things was always hard work,e ample Silverwood house is lovely the tenants had furniture in the corridors, carpets and little tables with flower arrangements,that sort of thing, the Fire Brigadewent awappy but by god it took a lot of hard work to get all of the junk out of the corridors.
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Given that the total is now somewhere up over 80 odd tower blocks across 20 odd different councils of all political persuasions that seem to have failed whatever secretive test the government has instigated, there are quite a few questions going begging aren't there?
1) How come so many Councils, Tory as well as Labour, have all 'failed' in their inspection duty?
2) How come all tjhose different blocks, using all sorts of different builders, architects, quantity surveyors and building inspectors have all managed, over years, to build stuff that is now, apparently, failing the tests?
3) What oversight mechanisms did the government have in place to check what was going on?
4) What were the regulations, including fire of course, that everyone must have been using since so many seem to have 'got it wrong'?
Like I said a week back, we all seemed to agree on here pretty recently, that the first duty of any government is to safeguard the lives and property of its citizens. Given what we have witnessed tjhis last couple of weeks, it's pretty clear that the austerity governments have manifestly failed in that duty. And that, by definition, makes this Conservative Party unfit to govern.
Just to add a bit of context, think on this:
Most expensive football transfer fees in the world:
Pogba £89M, Bale £85M, Ronaldo £80M
Fees for Democratic Unionist politicians:
Nigel Dodds, £100M; Ian Paisley Jr, £100M; Jeffrey Donaldson, £100M; and so on and so on...... I don't usually think football fees bear much resemblance to value, but putting the fees of Ronaldo & Co alongside the value that this Conservative Party has assigned to that bunch of grim faced bigots has made me change my mind.
BobG