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Viking Chat => Lucky Pint => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on November 21, 2017, 06:00:49 pm
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We're the only club in the Radio Sheff' region playing away tonight so I expect us to be one of the commentary games.
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Tonight’s team, Andy Butlers 500 EFL appearance tonight.
COYR
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Unchanged which is good for continuity. DF expects us to be afforded more time on the ball but with their quality, if we're careless with it, we'll get punished.
With Kongolo having a run of games, I think we might see a bit more of what he can do tonight as this game might suit him.
Marquis is due a goal, so I'm quietly optimistic.
Just as I'm typing Brian the Blade has just tipped us as certainties to lose. That's a good omen for us!
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The match is on Radio Sheffield as a live commentary game.
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Good afternoon everyone, another tough away game, one I hope we can take at least a draw, here's hoping.
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Listening to the radio and there hardly seems to be a peep from the fans in the stadium.
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Listening to the radio and there hardly seems to be a peep from the fans in the stadium.
Looking on twitter i don't think they get many more than us. Quite sad for them given where they were.
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.... and yet quite good for where they were too (i.e. non League Club). What a journey they have had
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Hard to tell but looks like a positive start from us and one of them in the book already!
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Blackburn 3-0 up at Oxford.
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Commentator said that nothing much happening n our game so with 25 minutes gone that is a big plus for us.
No wonder the crowd is quiet.
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Another Wigan defender booked following two fouls in 5 seconds, one on Copps and a second one on Tofollo.
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Houghton now in the book as well
COYR
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Also Joe Wright for a very late challenge.
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Card happy ref, or all deserved?
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Judging by the commentary, all desreved.
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Shino, 1-0 to Wigan.
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shit 1-0
BBC giving it a shot O.G. by Joe Wright
COYR
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Weve been bloody dire so far
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Weve been bloody dire so far
That is the way it is coming over on the radio, but TBF, so have Wigan.
Pity we couldnt have got to HT at 0-0.
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BBC reckon it was a Wright O.G.?
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Can see a sending off coming sooner or later ...
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Great chance fluffed by Marquis...................
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Jonny M missed a sitter FFS!
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Marquis ... miss of the season !!!!
8yds out, totally open goal and he gently taps it to the goalie
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Different sort of game at bumhole lane, Blunts 3-2 down.
Seven shots in the game, all on target and 5 of them gone in.
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SHIT!! 2-0
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Really need to step up now
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Kinnell, 2-0.
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Bshite....
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SHIT!! 2-0
Sorry game over then
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DF gone and sat down in the dugout again.
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Marquis ... miss of the season !!!!
8yds out, totally open goal and he gently taps it to the goalie
He had that the other week!!
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Kinnell, 2-0.
No more than we deserve
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2-0 a minute after Marquis misses a sitter to level the score
COYR
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Needs a big, big rocket at the break then or else it's a wasted evening for us all.
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Needs to change it at half time and say f**k it all out attack
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Marquis ... miss of the season !!!!
8yds out, totally open goal and he gently taps it to the goalie
He had that the other week!!
What odds on Williams on after the break in place of JM ?
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Feels like its going to be a very long second half
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I'm far from Williams' biggest fan but what is the point in having him at the club if he's not getting a look-in despite JM's current form?
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he should have scored that some old bloke said he could have had a shave he had that much tome
Marquis ... miss of the season !!!!
8yds out, totally open goal and he gently taps it to the goalie
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I've defended marquis but that Miss was nothing short of a disgrace.
Should be going in level
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I'm far from Williams' biggest fan but what is the point in having him at the club if he's not getting a look-in despite JM's current form?
There isn't a point in him being here. The manager didn't want him but no-one was prepared to pay him the wages we are. And to be fair, I bet Williams doesn't want to be here either. He'll be gone next summer
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Having missed the sitter against Walsall I’d have been looking to play Williams up front with him not leave him up front on his own.
Need to score first in the second half Tom give us a sniff of getting something out of this game
COYR
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Fergie needs to change it from the off 2nd half. Get Williams on and go 2 up top.
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some old bloke said he could have had a shave and still scored it really was a sitter
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I'm far from Williams' biggest fan but what is the point in having him at the club if he's not getting a look-in despite JM's current form?
There isn't a point in him being here. The manager didn't want him but no-one was prepared to pay him the wages we are. And to be fair, I bet Williams doesn't want to be here either. He'll be gone next summer
TBF to AW, when he has got on the pitch he has put the effort in.
He may not want to be here but he has been very professional and tried hard for us.
I would be in favour of him coming on for the second half.
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Williams is coming on
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some old bloke said he could have had a shave and still scored it really was a sitter
He had ages to get his shot lined up, no defender charging him down and total sight of the goal... just a dreadful miss
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needs 2 upfront now nothing to lose we could still get something 2 of there back 4 on yellow cards
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needs 2 upfront now nothing to lose we could still get something 2 of there back 4 on yellow cards
Defensively Wigan have looked edgey but we just havent harassed them let alone have the nous to play around or through them.
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Williams on for Baudry
COYR
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About time we had two up front.having marquis on his own is bad tactics. :thumbdown:
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I posted that last match and got blasted. Needed 2 up front for ages ,don't know why it's taken so long.
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Well that is game over now.
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Crap 3-0 game well over now
COYR
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Williams limping at half pace. Should be off.
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Weve come out second half with a bit of purpose but poor defending and were 3 down. Really easy for Wigan this.
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Beestin on for Copps
COYR
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copps off... Beast on
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Beestin on for Copps.
May as well save Copps for saturday now.
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Everyone keeps saying we've got to defend first. We go more attacking and we get picked off!
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Lawlor will disappointed with their third.
Williams off for Whiteman.
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Williams limping at half pace. Should be off.
He got hurt in a tackle 12 mins into the half. He'd not got remotely close to the ball prior to that.
Marquis's miss was awful, but Williams was walking round like he'd never heard about putting bloody effort in.
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Williams off Whiteman on
COYR
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No bloody hope if we've got no strikers.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
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Poor this.
Should have started with this formation
Poor but we've created a couple of good chances
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What formation are we playing right now mate ?
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Poor this.
Should have started with this formation
Poor but we've created a couple of good chances
And not took them.
Forget tonight and move on but frankly need wins in coming home games.
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You can't make it up can you. 20 mins and he's off with injury. Have a feeling that will be last straw for DF.
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Youth team strikers on Saturday for me give them a chance as the 1st steamers don't seem bothered or can't score in a brothel
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Is Mandy injured or just out of favour with DF at the moment?
COYR
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You can't make it up can you. 20 mins and he's off with injury. Have a feeling that will be last straw for DF.
Was it Williams fault that he got injured i wonder ?
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You can't make it up can you. 20 mins and he's off with injury. Have a feeling that will be last straw for DF.
Was it Williams fault that he got injured i wonder ?
He went in half-hearted for a tackle. Got hit.
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It was a bad tackle, but ref didn't give a free kick,
4-5-1 now
Was 4-4-2 at start of half
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Everyone keeps saying we've got to defend first. We go more attacking and we get picked off!
Because in this league we haven’t got the players to play diamond and two strikers.
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You can't make it up can you. 20 mins and he's off with injury. Have a feeling that will be last straw for DF.
Was it Williams fault that he got injured i wonder ?
He went in half-hearted for a tackle. Got hit.
He’s been half hearted all season we couldn’t afford to get rid of him and we are paying for it now.
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You can't make it up can you. 20 mins and he's off with injury. Have a feeling that will be last straw for DF.
Was it Williams fault that he got injured i wonder ?
He went in half-hearted for a tackle. Got hit.
If you say so BST, i haven't got the benefit of being able to see what is happening.
Dickos appears to disagree however.
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With bottom club Bury leading Shrewsbury we are, as it stands, just four points off bottom place ourselves.
I do hope that people who have been saying we are not in danger of going down take this on board.
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Williams goes in for a tackle and gets injured and it’s his fault? Wow
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
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With bottom club Bury leading Shrewsbury we are, as it stands, just four points off bottom place ourselves.
I do hope that people who have been saying we are not in danger of going down take this on board.
More importantly, we're only 2 points off the relegation zone. Vital that we get something against MK Dons.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Standard manager speak in reality.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
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356 Rovers fans at Wigan tonight, pity they haven’t had much to cheer
ATTENDANCE | There are 356 #DRFC supporters at the DW Stadium as part of an overall crowd of 7,106. Thank you for your brilliant backing.
COYR
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
Maybe Alfie may should have avoided being injured earlier in the season then.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Like all those unavoidable impact injuries we picked up when Dickov was manager?
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Can't believe how quiet the Wigan fans are, 3-0 and coasting and hardly any noise in the ground.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
Then don't listen to post match managers comments. When are they not meaningless? They're made to do it. They can't say how they feel as they're likely to upset the FL, the players, the owners or the fans. Its a completely pointless exercise they're made to do then they get ripped for comments they've made. Fair enough moan about wrong tactics but not him saying he expects the players to do better and give him a reaction to losing 3-0.
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It didn't surprise me Williams getting injured, it did surprise me him going in for a tackle though.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
No. You're reading something into my post that isn't there. I meant "deal with" as in "get several like it per match". As in, it wasn't a foul.
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Full time 3-0 it can only get better. .......... hopefully
COYR
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Can't believe how quiet the Wigan fans are, 3-0 and coasting and hardly any noise in the ground.
They expect to win every game with their budget so it’s not important to them. We are treading water on our budget and whether it’s the manager or players we lose this one not unexpected.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
No. You're reading something into my post that isn't there. I meant "deal with" as in "get several like it per match". As in, it wasn't a foul.
Wasn't reading anything into it, asked for clarification and you've now given it. The original wording did come off as if you thought he somehow should be impervious to injuries.
Anyway, this is not a good night for us so let's hope we can move on quickly.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
Then don't listen to post match managers comments. When are they not meaningless? They're made to do it. They can't say how they feel as they're likely to upset the FL, the players, the owners or the fans. Its a completely pointless exercise they're made to do then they get ripped for comments they've made. Fair enough moan about wrong tactics but not him saying he expects the players to do better and give him a reaction to losing 3-0.
I don't agree. Most fans prefer honesty.
It wouldn't be meaningless if we actually got a reaction, but it doesn't happen.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
Strikers expect to be coming short for a ball with a defender coming in from the back and side. That's what happened. Any striker should expect to have challenges like that. It comes with the territory.
My comment about "dealing with it" was intended as a reflection on the fact that it wasn't a foul. But there's another aspect. If you don't shape up to "deal with" that sort of challenge by having a robust approach yourself, if you waft a leg towards the challenge, then yes you'll get hurt. That's what happened.
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
Then don't listen to post match managers comments. When are they not meaningless? They're made to do it. They can't say how they feel as they're likely to upset the FL, the players, the owners or the fans. Its a completely pointless exercise they're made to do then they get ripped for comments they've made. Fair enough moan about wrong tactics but not him saying he expects the players to do better and give him a reaction to losing 3-0.
I don't agree. Most fans prefer honesty.
It wouldn't be meaningless if we actually got a reaction, but it doesn't happen.
He's not the one going onto the pitch and playing though?
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
Then don't listen to post match managers comments. When are they not meaningless? They're made to do it. They can't say how they feel as they're likely to upset the FL, the players, the owners or the fans. Its a completely pointless exercise they're made to do then they get ripped for comments they've made. Fair enough moan about wrong tactics but not him saying he expects the players to do better and give him a reaction to losing 3-0.
I don't agree. Most fans prefer honesty.
It wouldn't be meaningless if we actually got a reaction, but it doesn't happen.
He's not the one going onto the pitch and playing though?
So the manager has no responsibility for how well (or otherwise) the team perform?
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Don't worry, we will be looking for a reaction on Saturday.
Shouldn't we be looking for a reaction to losing 3-0?
Yes we should but i was speaking on behalf of DF in his post match interview.
I'm not sure what some people expect him to say...
Something that's not meaniningless, presumably.
Then don't listen to post match managers comments. When are they not meaningless? They're made to do it. They can't say how they feel as they're likely to upset the FL, the players, the owners or the fans. Its a completely pointless exercise they're made to do then they get ripped for comments they've made. Fair enough moan about wrong tactics but not him saying he expects the players to do better and give him a reaction to losing 3-0.
I don't agree. Most fans prefer honesty.
It wouldn't be meaningless if we actually got a reaction, but it doesn't happen.
He's not the one going onto the pitch and playing though?
So the manager has no responsibility for how well (or otherwise) the team perform?
Of course the manager does but he can only do a certain amount but its up to the players to produce out there.
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That's why a manager gets paid to buy the right players and field the correct side with the right tactics as often as possible.
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That's why a manager gets paid to buy the right players and field the correct side with the right tactics as often as possible.
Amen to that idler.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
Strikers expect to be coming short for a ball with a defender coming in from the back and side. That's what happened. Any striker should expect to have challenges like that. It comes with the territory.
My comment about "dealing with it" was intended as a reflection on the fact that it wasn't a foul. But there's another aspect. If you don't shape up to "deal with" that sort of challenge by having a robust approach yourself, if you waft a leg towards the challenge, then yes you'll get hurt. That's what happened.
DF | Andy Williams' injury looks like it could be a bad one, it was a nasty challenge and it looks like an ankle problem #DRFC
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
Strikers expect to be coming short for a ball with a defender coming in from the back and side. That's what happened. Any striker should expect to have challenges like that. It comes with the territory.
My comment about "dealing with it" was intended as a reflection on the fact that it wasn't a foul. But there's another aspect. If you don't shape up to "deal with" that sort of challenge by having a robust approach yourself, if you waft a leg towards the challenge, then yes you'll get hurt. That's what happened.
DF | Andy Williams' injury looks like it could be a bad one, it was a nasty challenge and it looks like an ankle problem #DRFC
It is his own fault (apperently).
Strikers should be able to avoid this type of injury.
Just like Sharp did at Brighton.
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Fergie says "we need a reaction" after the game. Not even kidding.
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Williams didn't go in for the tackle cause he had the ball the bloke came from behind
It was s foul
I'm not a fan but it was a foul
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All managers say it
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
Strikers expect to be coming short for a ball with a defender coming in from the back and side. That's what happened. Any striker should expect to have challenges like that. It comes with the territory.
My comment about "dealing with it" was intended as a reflection on the fact that it wasn't a foul. But there's another aspect. If you don't shape up to "deal with" that sort of challenge by having a robust approach yourself, if you waft a leg towards the challenge, then yes you'll get hurt. That's what happened.
DF | Andy Williams' injury looks like it could be a bad one, it was a nasty challenge and it looks like an ankle problem #DRFC
It is his own fault (apperently).
Strikers should be able to avoid this type of injury.
Just like Sharp did at Brighton.
Think we just need to ignore DF on this one, BST knows best.
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Do they all say it after every game we don't win? He doesn't help himself sometimes, I'm sick of seeing him say it to be honest. Not to get on his back like but I do think he needs to think about what he says in these positions.
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Do they all say it after every game we don't win? He doesn't help himself sometimes, I'm sick of seeing him say it to be honest. Not to get on his back like but I do think he needs to think about what he says in these positions.
What would you say?
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Do they all say it after every game we don't win? He doesn't help himself sometimes, I'm sick of seeing him say it to be honest. Not to get on his back like but I do think he needs to think about what he says in these positions.
What would you say?
Literally anything else.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
Are strikers made of different stuff than midfielders and defenders?
Strikers expect to be coming short for a ball with a defender coming in from the back and side. That's what happened. Any striker should expect to have challenges like that. It comes with the territory.
My comment about "dealing with it" was intended as a reflection on the fact that it wasn't a foul. But there's another aspect. If you don't shape up to "deal with" that sort of challenge by having a robust approach yourself, if you waft a leg towards the challenge, then yes you'll get hurt. That's what happened.
DF | Andy Williams' injury looks like it could be a bad one, it was a nasty challenge and it looks like an ankle problem #DRFC
It is his own fault (apperently).
Strikers should be able to avoid this type of injury.
Just like Sharp did at Brighton.
Think we just need to ignore DF on this one, BST knows best.
If I've mis-read the tackle I'd be the first to apologise. I was watching carefully at the time and it never crossed my mind that it was a foul.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
To be fair to Williams, from what I saw, he fell awkwardly on his ankle. At best a sprain, at worst ligament damage. Don't be surprised if he's out for a month or two.
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
"Deal with" in what way?
I hope you're not implying he should have shaken it off like a real man or something. Injuries don't tend to work like that.
To be fair to Williams, from what I saw, he fell awkwardly on his ankle. At best a sprain, at worst ligament damage. Don't be surprised if he's out for a month or two.
Players are out months now with just a strained boot lace .
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It wasn't a bad tackle. It was a hard tackle. The sort you expect to deal with as a striker.
The general comments from people who were at the game is that is was a bad foul from behind by the defender, possibly worthy of a red card.
It would be interesting to see if anyone is able to post a clip of the incident.
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Do they all say it after every game we don't win? He doesn't help himself sometimes, I'm sick of seeing him say it to be honest. Not to get on his back like but I do think he needs to think about what he says in these positions.
What would you say?
My issue with him saying this is that we don't usually see any 'reaction'. If he wants to see a reaction, there's only him can make it happen. That's a manager's job for Christ' sake.
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I managed to find a clip of the game on YouTube this afternoon.
Crikey, that scuff and miss by JM was really bad.
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Their first two goals were very lucky
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Lucky but players willing to shoot got lucky, not trying to pass.