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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dagenham Rover on October 24, 2018, 12:21:56 pm
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-rovers-star-mallik-wilks-in-court-charged-with-violent-offences-linked-to-stabbing-1-9411431
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Doesn't read good - and reminds of the woodgate era at Leeds - It must be something about the club. Hope he is truly innocent and it doesn't effect his games for us.
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His brother was shot dead wasn’t he? Obviously they mix with some wrong ens.
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That doesn't read good at all,an offence like that which is going to crown court means if he gets found guilty,we wont have to worry about renewing his loan...
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That doesn't read good at all,an offence like that which is going to crown court means if he gets found guilty,we wont have to worry about renewing his loan...
“If you’re in the crown, you’re going down”
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Easy to make assumptions on what role he had in this, if any.
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His brother was shot dead wasn’t he? Obviously they mix with some wrong ens.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/three-men-who-killed-raheem-wilks-19-year-old-brother-of-leeds-united-star-handed-99-years-in-jail-1-8849747
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Oh that’s not good to hear. Let’s hope he wasn’t too involved. If he was then we are looking for another striker. We will have a serious problem between now and January
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Oh that’s not good to hear. Let’s hope he wasn’t too involved. If he was then we are looking for another striker. We will have a serious problem between now and January
There doesn't appear to be a date for the trial and the wheels of justice move slowly. We should be ok till January but might need to be doing some contingency planning. Unless Kiwomya really kicks on at Chesterfield.
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I think it says he’s next in court on 21st November
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I thought the trial was today.
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Pre trial court appearance today then.
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Statement on DROS.
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Pre trial court appearance today then.
That was the committal hearing. I'm guessing his appearance in November will be the pre-trial hearing after which the trial date will be set- probably some time after Christmas.
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Should we even have this hanging over our clubs heads even if he is innocent to be involved with any gang that involves violence is enough for him to be sent back for me no matter how good he is it reminds me of the guy who used to play for Newcastle.
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Innocent till proved guilty for me, while he wears the shirt he has my support.
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Was his brother killed more recently than this instance? Complete speculation here but, if Raheem was killed more recently than this stabbing incident, perhaps Mallik has gotten himself out of that kind of lifestyle now? It has to be a wake call for something like that to happen to him and his family.
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Innocent till proved guilty for me, while he wears the shirt he has my support.
Life is hard enough for people who don’t have the gift of sport to make their living , but those who’s “Life Style” choices make it hard to comprehend why get involved at all. Too many young sports startups often run aground for ‘that moment of madness ‘ and see a promising career disappear. Guilty or NOT he will always be seen as trouble waiting to happen . I hope he gets help even if just to show that he isn’t that person painted in the media ...I am pleased the club are giving him the benefit .
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What did we all say when the news broke about ched Evans, most clubs wouldn't entertain him and the club suspended him.
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What did we all say when the news broke about ched Evans, most clubs wouldn't entertain him and the club suspended him.
I said he was innocent until proven guilty and when he was convicted I said he had probably been hard done to.
He was eventually acquitted.
I wouldn’t have had a problem if we had signed him.
Not all of us had him hung.
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
In a criminal court people are not proved innocent, they are proved guilty or not.
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Was his brother killed more recently than this instance? Complete speculation here but, if Raheem was killed more recently than this stabbing incident, perhaps Mallik has gotten himself out of that kind of lifestyle now? It has to be a wake call for something like that to happen to him and his family.
This incident happened in August 2017, Raheem was shot in the January before that.
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
In a criminal court people are not proved innocent, they are proved guilty or not.
So if proved not guilty then they didn’t do it.
As opposed to having done it if they are proved to be guilty.
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
In a criminal court people are not proved innocent, they are proved guilty or not.
Thanks for that, but you know what I’m saying
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
In a criminal court people are not proved innocent, they are proved guilty or not.
So if proved not guilty then they didn’t do it.
As opposed to having done it if they are proved to be guilty.
No. They are judged not guilty which means there is insufficient evidence etc to prove they are guilty, and are cleared of the charge unless significant new evidence appears. Some not guilty people are later found guilty at a civil court where the evidence is weighed rather than having to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
As Filo says, there is often a cloud that hangs over someone when found not guilty at a criminal court, also when a charge is dropped, and even when questioned but not charged. That's always been the case but magnified by social media.
In no way am I relating this to Mallik, I don't even know what he is actually supposed to have done beyond allegedly being associated with the attack in some way. He was only 18 when the incident happened.
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Thats the trouble with todays world everyone is perceived as guilty until proved innocent, and even then shit sticks. Trial by social media has fueled this in recent times
In a criminal court people are not proved innocent, they are proved guilty or not.
So if proved not guilty then they didn’t do it.
As opposed to having done it if they are proved to be guilty.
No. They are judged not guilty which means there is insufficient evidence etc to prove they are guilty, and are cleared of the charge unless significant new evidence appears. Some not guilty people are later found guilty at a civil court where the evidence is weighed rather than having to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
As Filo says, there is often a cloud that hangs over someone when found not guilty at a criminal court, also when a charge is dropped, and even when questioned but not charged. That's always been the case but magnified by social media.
In no way am I relating this to Mallik, I don't even know what he is actually supposed to have done beyond allegedly being associated with the attack in some way. He was only 18 when the incident happened.
But at the end of the trial, if found not guilty they can go home and get on with their lives.
Unless of course people say they are not innocent and tar them with a bloody big brush.
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At the end of the day we will lose his services for the period of the trial, and it might affect his performance before the trial as it is only natural for him to worry about it. I hope he is innocent and continues to play for us, but the court will decide not us. Best left alone, I say, and let him concentrate on his game.
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Wonder if that's why he's been off it recently. Had his mind on other things.
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Maybe me but he doesn't seem as quick as he has been, & looks like he's put a bit on.
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Maybe me but he doesn't seem as quick as he has been, & looks like he's put a bit on.
The players are whatever weight the club tell them to be. He won’t be over weight. He’s just not that good. Technically he’s actually pretty poor. He’s a live wire though.
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No I didn't mean he was overweight, just he's put a bit of weight on.
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Like Gaz said, the club wouldn’t allow him to put weight on mid season. Just wouldn’t happen
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My opinion is he has put weight on since he joined so we will beg to differ.
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Someone get the scales out.
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Well he is doing something right, he is strong enough to get away from defenders and turn them, and is the quickest over 10 yds at the club by a mile. He took 2 yards in fifteen out of the Sunderland back four on more than one occasion.
Blair probably is as quick when up to speed, but I don't think so from a standing start.
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Well he is doing something right, he is strong enough to get away from defenders and turn them, and is the quickest over 10 yds at the club by a mile. He took 2 yards in fifteen out of the Sunderland back four on more than one occasion.
Blair probably is as quick when up to speed, but I don't think so from a standing start.
Reece James gave him a couple of yards start and cruised past him a couple of times as well. He’s no Jermaine McSporran.
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My opinion is he has put weight on since he joined so we will beg to differ.
People are reputed to keep growing till around the age of 21 - and as anyone who has seen me will know I carried on gaining height long after that !
So by definition he can (must) surely be gaining weight as he gains that height !
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At the end of the day we will lose his services for the period of the trial, and it might affect his performance before the trial as it is only natural for him to worry about it. I hope he is innocent and continues to play for us, but the court will decide not us. Best left alone, I say, and let him concentrate on his game.
Michael, apparently he can’t be found to be innocent.
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At the end of the day we will lose his services for the period of the trial, and it might affect his performance before the trial as it is only natural for him to worry about it. I hope he is innocent and continues to play for us, but the court will decide not us. Best left alone, I say, and let him concentrate on his game.
Michael, apparently he can’t be found to be innocent.
That's correct.
There has to be a certain amount of evidence which enables him to be charged. The legal system we operate under has, essentially, two outcomes, guilty or not guilty. The judge can stop any trial before it gets to that point if he/she feels that there is no charge to answer, i.e. then he would be classed as innocent.
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Someone get the scales out.