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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyOsmond on April 23, 2019, 10:36:55 pm
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So we've got this 5 year plan to build a team that can cope in the Championship and were somewhere in the middle of this, not sure anyone knows how longs left on it but where do people think we're at? How many of our current owned squad are good enough or potentially good enough to cope in the Championship?
Potentially Whiteman, Wright and Rowe for me. Copps we don't want to rely on still. I quite like the look of Sadlier too.
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Think Rowe will be gone at season end Whiteman may get sold as too with marquis.
Expecting quite a bit of turnover this summer tbh
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Whiteman sadlier and Wright, totally agree.
Scratching my head for any more..that’s not been negative but to me shows we aren’t ready to go up.
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Full pre season behind him and without the stress of a full Irish season and Sadlier could be a phenomenal player for us, his shots are unbelievable at times, on another day 2 or 3 would have gone in today
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Shows how far away we are though. Especially with the odd couple we have people reckon they'll leave in the Summer. We're miles behind the top 5 and two of them were relegated for being miles behind the rest of the Championship.
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So we've got this 5 year plan to build a team that can cope in the Championship and were somewhere in the middle of this, not sure anyone knows how longs left on it but where do people think we're at? How many of our current owned squad are good enough or potentially good enough to cope in the Championship?
Potentially Whiteman, Wright and Rowe for me. Copps we don't want to rely on still. I quite like the look of Sadlier too.
5 year plan that 6 years ago !
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Spoke about this on the way home, of our own players just Wright, Whiteman & Sadlier. Massive summer ahead, we are light years away.
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Nobody would’ve said sadlier before tonight can’t be so fickle to change game by game.
We’ve a few players who are good enough, Crawford has gone off the boil but he was very good most of the season,
A couple of days ago people were saying our 4 centre halves are great now only one of them is good enough.
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Nobody would’ve said sadlier before tonight can’t be so fickle to change game by game.
We’ve a few players who are good enough, Crawford has gone off the boil but he was very good most of the season,
A couple of days ago people were saying our 4 centre halves are great now only one of them is good enough.
I would have said Sadlier before tonight. Looks like he has all the attributes just needs time and games.
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Its hard to tell as its not all about the players. Its about the collective. Take Sheff Utd on the brink of promotion to the premier league. They have Mark Duffy, Enda Stevens, Billy Sharp all ex Rovers players and all have relegation from said league on their resume yet all played a massive part in that squad this season now....... who laughed when they signed for them? I did! Its amazing what a manager adds to a group of players in todays game. The amount of times I have noticed Wilder make huge changes to the team if the players dont perform. Those players would die for that shirt and boy has it shown. I just dont get that from our squad and our manager. I think thats the difference. You have to be completely ruthless. I heard McCann in an interview say Herbie Kane was left out of the squad because he just hasnt performed which I loved, I thought good on you! But then I think......... what do those players think when theyre made an example of but Marquis keeps his shirt for every second of every game in every competition? When is the line drawn where the manager pulls him and demands more? Just my opinion and everyone knows my feelings on JM but this is just what I think.
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Still stick with my 3 including the 1 centre back as the question is to cope at Championship level, would also have said Sadlier before tonight, the lad has real potential.
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Players can develop and improve with the level,
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Big problem next season - lack of continuity!
Present squad nowhere near good enough, based on last 2 games.
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Players can also go backwards at any level.
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They can
But you don’t know until you get there, especially with the age of our players.
Whiteman has come on great this season, same could happen next year for Crawford, Anderson or Blair
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Not in my opinion they won't, none of them good enough for the Championship for me.
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A problem for us is that 3 of our better players are on loan. So we need to adequately replace them just to stay at the same level as we're at now. That's assuming we don't lose anyone else e.g. Marquis, Whiteman, which could happen.
And then we need to improve some more on top of that in order to challenge for promotion and look like a potential Championship side.
No pressure Grant.
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might be a better time at the end of the season to reflect, rather than with 2 games left, 3 points ahead of 7th position.
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Nobody would’ve said sadlier before tonight can’t be so fickle to change game by game.
We’ve a few players who are good enough, Crawford has gone off the boil but he was very good most of the season,
A couple of days ago people were saying our 4 centre halves are great now only one of them is good enough.
We have 3 centre halves, don't we? Anderson potentially could step up but not at the moment, he's just an alright League One defender. Butler is a top half League One defender who has age against him. Wright is a top half League One defender who has age on his side.
We did earlier in the season have another player who was possibly good enough but then he got a bit gropey.
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Wouldn’t be surprised if we’ve already agreed a contract with downing as he’s out of contract at Blackburn in the summer
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The teams who have finished in the top five have the best budgets. We are one 4/5 that the best of the rest. If we want not hope for promotion next season we need better. Let’s be fair GM has signed 3 good loan players. Sadlier could step up. Centre halves could step up.
So No1 GK
Right back, 2CHs, Left back.
4 midfield players at least if we don’t loose any more.
3 striker forwards at least if we lose JM will need 4.
So will we sign that many. Is GM good enough to sign the quality we need. Will the board give more to achieve that. Big turnaround, continuity problem. So whether we finish top six or not we will still need that amount players if we are to progress
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I would add Tom Anderson to that list, he is in my opinion our best centre half and always looks very assured when I see him...
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The teams who have finished in the top five have the best budgets. We are one 4/5 that the best of the rest. If we want not hope for promotion next season we need better. Let’s be fair GM has signed 3 good loan players. Sadlier could step up. Centre halves could step up.
So No1 GK
Right back, 2CHs, Left back.
4 midfield players at least if we don’t loose any more.
3 striker forwards at least if we lose JM will need 4.
So will we sign that many. Is GM good enough to sign the quality we need. Will the board give more to achieve that. Big turnaround, continuity problem. So whether we finish top six or not we will still need that amount players if we are to progress
Dream on we may bring 4-5 but young players only . This 5 year plan involves home grown talent without having to pay out signing fees . It’s a budget on a budget. So don’t expect what we won’t pay for . L1 is here to stay until the club can pay for its self any else is just fantasy.
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The teams who have finished in the top five have the best budgets. We are one 4/5 that the best of the rest. If we want not hope for promotion next season we need better. Let’s be fair GM has signed 3 good loan players. Sadlier could step up. Centre halves could step up.
So No1 GK
Right back, 2CHs, Left back.
4 midfield players at least if we don’t loose any more.
3 striker forwards at least if we lose JM will need 4.
So will we sign that many. Is GM good enough to sign the quality we need. Will the board give more to achieve that. Big turnaround, continuity problem. So whether we finish top six or not we will still need that amount players if we are to progress
Dream on we may bring 4-5 but young players only . This 5 year plan involves home grown talent without having to pay out signing fees . It’s a budget on a budget. So don’t expect what we won’t pay for . L1 is here to stay until the club can pay for its self any else is just fantasy.
Can a mod delete this please x
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I would add Tom Anderson to that list, he is in my opinion our best centre half and always looks very assured when I see him...
Wright and Anderson are our players both could step up. We need 2 more Downing could be one and depending if we are still in league 1 Butler another year.?
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The teams who have finished in the top five have the best budgets. We are one 4/5 that the best of the rest. If we want not hope for promotion next season we need better. Let’s be fair GM has signed 3 good loan players. Sadlier could step up. Centre halves could step up.
So No1 GK
Right back, 2CHs, Left back.
4 midfield players at least if we don’t loose any more.
3 striker forwards at least if we lose JM will need 4.
So will we sign that many. Is GM good enough to sign the quality we need. Will the board give more to achieve that. Big turnaround, continuity problem. So whether we finish top six or not we will still need that amount players if we are to progress
Dream on we may bring 4-5 but young players only . This 5 year plan involves home grown talent without having to pay out signing fees . It’s a budget on a budget. So don’t expect what we won’t pay for . L1 is here to stay until the club can pay for its self any else is just fantasy.
Unfounded rubbish.
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We are already thinking of strength in our squad for next season.new contract for beeston ? :that:
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In the summer before any loan players we need
1 new goal keeper
1 right back
1 left back
1 centre half
2 midfielders
3 attackers
And that’s if we stay in league 1.... big summer ahead for the club
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Let me get this right.
We're going to go into the final week of the season in a play-off position, but we need 9 new players if we're going to be any good in this league next year?
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We are already thinking of strength in our squad for next season.new contract for beeston ? :that:
well if may can get one anybody can get one
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Let me get this right.
We're going to go into the final week of the season in a play-off position, but we need 9 new players if we're going to be any good in this league next year?
Billy
If we are in this league
Marosi doesn’t sign that’s 1
Right back haven’t got one that’s 2gng
If Andrew doesn’t sign that’s 3
Wright and Anderson signing Downing and Butler that’s 5
Whiteman and Crawford if Rowe doesn’t sign Kane goes back to Liverpool that could 3/4 total 8/9
Marquis, May and Sadlier if Copps sign we will need 2. If Maquis goes we will need a total of 11/12.
I do not believe any of the U23 side is good enough for first team football if we are going for promotion.
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In the summer before any loan players we need
1 new goal keeper
1 right back
1 left back
1 centre half
2 midfielders
3 attackers
And that’s if we stay in league 1.... big summer ahead for the club
3 x Attackers - who do you see as staying and who's leaving then?
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Personally i think we need; we need 2x right backs (one experienced one understudy) 2 centre midfielders (one to replace Kane and a holding midfielder to backup Whiteman) 2x strikers (one for wilks and one to help marquis out if he's out of form or injured, both need to be starting 11 quality)
Thats assuming we don't lose anyone we want to keep so if Andrew leaves or Marquis obviously they need a replacement. That's only 6 players which isn't that many in a summer for our division.
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Personally i think we need; we need 2x right backs (one experienced one understudy) 2 centre midfielders (one to replace Kane and a holding midfielder to backup Whiteman) 2x strikers (one for wilks and one to help marquis out if he's out of form or injured, both need to be starting 11 quality)
Thats assuming we don't lose anyone we want to keep so if Andrew leaves or Marquis obviously they need a replacement. That's only 6 players which isn't that many in a summer for our division.
Marosi, Butler, Andrew, Rowe and Coppinger. To sign yet, if we stay in this league otherwise replacements required. I we not be bothered if Marosi left to bring a No.1 Keeper
Lewis, Downing, Kane, Wilks and Smith going back. We will need some to sign or all replaced.
On top of these we need a first team right back, more centre mid players and forwards.
If we are still in this league we will need better players or equal to some if our aim next season is promotion