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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Padge_DRFC on August 10, 2019, 06:05:36 pm
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This will upset people as criticism of players doesn't go down well on here, but I cannot believe how poor and lightweight he was today. I didn't cheer his substitution, but was pleased he went off. I actually think he played left wing first half and right wing second so that he could be coached through the game. Doesn't seem to have it between the ears.
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Minus a 10 min switch he was always on the right?
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He’s the new Ben kemis
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I can’t believe GM got him in to replace Rowe he was either for U23 to develop or he couldn’t get any body so brought him in. He needs time
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He is the best we have at the moment. So show him support.
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Definitely not ready for first team football. Get Ennis and Taylor up to speed and loan him out to the conference.
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I Don't think he'll be a starter from now on. But unfair on Ben Khemis, I thought he was decent sometimes.
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I really do wonder how we end up with signings like this? Genuine question - does anyone know?
He played five games for a team fighting relegation in Croatia. Who scouted him and how exactly did they assess he was good enough?
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I really do wonder how we end up with signings like this? Genuine question - does anyone know?
He played five games for a team fighting relegation in Croatia. Who scouted him and how exactly did they assess he was good enough?
I'm sure i saw somewhere he was mates with Herbie and Wilks from leeds and liverpool academy days maybe that's how he got the contact
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I Don't think he'll be a starter from now on. But unfair on Ben Khemis, I thought he was decent sometimes.
When ?
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Mixture of Ben Khemis and Riccardo Calder looks like running in quick sand. Seems lazy also
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Some people always need a scapegoat on this forum, he's the new Mark Wilson/Diouf/Andrew
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He’s not very good is he. Everything happens too fast for him.
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Rated Andrew and Diouf. In fact when did people hate Diouf?
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He's definitely not the new Mark Wilson. I saw him put a tackle in today...
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He didnt have a great game in tough conditions. But thought the pathetic lack of support from the fans to be well out of order.
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He was dreadful today. He's got something about him as we saw in the Hull friendly but Christ it needs bringing out of him.
Daft to cheer him being took off though.
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Some people always need a scapegoat on this forum, he's the new Mark Wilson/Diouf/Andrew
People are well within their rights to express when they don’t think players are good enough. It’s hardly making a player a scapegoat and it doesn’t make them any less of a fan than you.
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What happened with the fans?
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What happened with the fans?
Some idiots (too many aswell) booed copps being subbed - bizarre as it was not a copps game and cheered gomes being subbed. Right he was taken off I'll add, but get behind him. It clearly pissed Alfie may off too.
The lads just moved here, not played much football, trying to learn and perhaps a confidence player. He didn't need that. Same fans will probably complain when he is scared to try something.
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Wasn't there today so didn't see him but from what I've heard it makes you wonder why someone thought he was a better option than Beestin
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What happened with the fans?
Some idiots (too many aswell) booed copps being subbed - bizarre as it was not a copps game and cheered gomes being subbed. Right he was taken off I'll add, but get behind him. It clearly pissed Alfie may off too.
The lads just moved here, not played much football, trying to learn and perhaps a confidence player. He didn't need that. Same fans will probably complain when he is scared to try something.
:that: pathetic to jeer our own players.
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Judging by some of the tw*ts that post on here and what can be heard in the stands it makes you really worried about our future fan base.
Unless we win 4-0 every week then these sad sacks will never be satisfied and this forum really needs to be avoided.
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Yeah what the f**k are we booing and cheering subs for. From what I’ve seen I don’t rate Gomes so far either but support him and support the team.
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I Don't think he'll be a starter from now on. But unfair on Ben Khemis, I thought he was decent sometimes.
When ?
Very fleetingly but better than Gomes to date.
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Young lad from Spain plays two competitive games and isn't brilliant and ends up gettings cheered off.
https://twitter.com/madgerfootball (https://twitter.com/madgerfootball)
Always seems excited to play for us and be here going from his Twitter. That'll soon change with how our fans will treat him.
He was quality against Hull, hopefully we'll see that Madger again soon.
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Needs to sort that f**king barnet out like.
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Let's give him a chance, he needs time. He's completely unproven at senior level but definitely has ability, as was evident in the pre-season games. He also nearly scored the winner against Gillingham.
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While I didn’t cheer him being subbed how he is in our 1st 11 amazes me, it’s not like we don’t have any other options, just play Blair there in fact play anyone in his position
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Let's give him a chance, he needs time. He's completely unproven at senior level but definitely has ability, as was evident in the pre-season games. He also nearly scored the winner against Gillingham.
let him get used to senior football on loan or as a sub with a weakened team from last year the last thing we need is players that are out of there depth, yes did well against hull in friendly competitive matches are completely different
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How he stayed on the pitch for 80 minutes today I'll never know. He looked well out of his depth. Moore should have done him a favour and replaced him much earlier.
One for the development team I reckon.
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He is the best we have at the moment. So show him support.
Why just not play Blair in his natural position instead of everywhere else
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He was nowhere near good enough today, but even so, to boo the manager’s subs and to cheer when he went off was pathetic. We really do have some brain dead morons following us don’t we.
I notice Gomes didn’t come across to applaud the fans at the end, so if you were one of those looking to crush his confidence, job done it seems.
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He did not have a good game today BUT I would never have started a thread to point that out nor would I have cheered when he left the Field .I know he follows social media because he posts himself in both English and Spanish.It is certain he will read this thread .
If you saw the recent BBC programme highlighting mental health problems among footballers attributable to online abuse and in stadium barracking you will realise you are not just being negative you might be damaging a young man’s career sand mental health .I address Thais to ALL of US.
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He was not good today, I never cheered him off but there was loads that did, he should have gone off instead of Copp's in mine and most fans view
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Disgraceful reaction from some our fans to his substitution. Made me ashamed. Sure he had a difficult afternoon but that's no excuse. He's played TWO competitive games for us!
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He was not good today, I never cheered him off but there was loads that did, he should have gone off instead of Copp's in mine and most fans view
It's a fair opinion to have but I struggle to see how you could choose between them, neither found many passes today. Copps coming off was right and I'm sure if Baptiste hadn't gone off earlier Gomes would have gone with him.
More surprising is how Gomes is in front of Blair and Crawford in that position.
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Disgraceful fans cheered when he went off. Hes going to take time to adapt but with some of the wet wipes that follow us I cant say I'm surprised.
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But for a deflection over the bar last week he would have been the match winning hero and no one would have been moaning about him.
Fine margins.
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He was nowhere near good enough today, but even so, to boo the manager’s subs and to cheer when he went off was pathetic. We really do have some brain dead morons following us don’t we.
I notice Gomes didn’t come across to applaud the fans at the end, so if you were one of those looking to crush his confidence, job done it seems
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Like the manager !
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Disgraceful reaction from some our fans to his substitution. Made me ashamed. Sure he had a difficult afternoon but that's no excuse. He's played TWO competitive games for us!
He played with the heart of a pea, shouldn't have been on the pitch
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Guy, Main, there have been many treated the same over the years by fans, the biggest problem with Gomes, yes he didn't have a great game, the pace of the game leaving him behind, but the fact a couple of players on the substitute bench are probably better than he is, and the crowd know it, and that causes frustration.
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I remember some of our fans calling for Wilks to be sent back to Leeds last January.
He turned out to be ok though didn’t he.
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Disgraceful reaction from some our fans to his substitution. Made me ashamed. Sure he had a difficult afternoon but that's no excuse. He's played TWO competitive games for us!
He played with the heart of a pea, shouldn't have been on the pitch
Well matched by the brain size of some of our fans then.!!
Do folks honestly think players set out to have a bad game.?
Maybe the lad needs a bit more time to adjust to our game.? If he can’t, fair enough..
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Disgraceful reaction from some our fans to his substitution. Made me ashamed. Sure he had a difficult afternoon but that's no excuse. He's played TWO competitive games for us!
He played with the heart of a pea, shouldn't have been on the pitch
you sir are a complete knob...........
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Although I agree he was poor today that cheer when he went off was a disgrace as were the usual smokebombs set off
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He did not have a good game today BUT I would never have started a thread to point that out nor would I have cheered when he left the Field .I know he follows social media because he posts himself in both English and Spanish.It is certain he will read this thread .
If you saw the recent BBC programme highlighting mental health problems among footballers attributable to online abuse and in stadium barracking you will realise you are not just being negative you might be damaging a young man’s career sand mental health .I address Thais to ALL of US.
in that case what should people put mate?
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Disgraceful reaction from some our fans to his substitution. Made me ashamed. Sure he had a difficult afternoon but that's no excuse. He's played TWO competitive games for us!
He played with the heart of a pea, shouldn't have been on the pitch
Well matched by the brain size of some of our fans then.!!
Do folks honestly think players set out to have a bad game.?
Maybe the lad needs a bit more time to adjust to our game.? If he can’t, fair enough..
yes I think the point is should he be in the 1st 11 trying to adjust to it
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He won’t adjust if he doesn’t play.!
A tough call - the needs of the team outweigh those if individual players..
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Honestly think the jeers were aimed at Darren Moore for finally realising how poor he played.
Crawford days must be numbered if he's choosing to bring Blair on ahead of him in centre midfield
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Sorry that last sentence is crap.. if Crawford was unwanted we would have got rid.
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While I didn’t cheer him being subbed how he is in our 1st 11 amazes me, it’s not like we don’t have any other options, just play Blair there in fact play anyone in his position
He won’t start again in the league unless we have injuries.
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Honestly think the jeers were aimed at Darren Moore for finally realising how poor he played.
Crawford days must be numbered if he's choosing to bring Blair on ahead of him in centre midfield
I was thinking the same thing
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Sorry that last sentence is crap.. if Crawford was unwanted we would have got rid.
You can only get rid of a player if another team wants them
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I'd have Crawford in the first 11, and definitely at the minute
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I rate Crawford. Think your sentence was a bit crap IDM. Moore doesn't rate him and if someone did want him he'd probably let him go if he thinks Blair in CM is a better option which to me isn't
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Maybe he just thought Blair was the better option in the circumstances of today’s game.? We need a squad to offer different options on different game scenarios..
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Maybe he just thought Blair was the better option in the circumstances of today’s game.? We need a squad to offer different options on different game scenarios..
The weakest part of Blair’s game is his passing, so it’s a bit odd to bring him on to play a position where this is a key requirement when you have Crawford sat on the bench also.
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I really do wonder how we end up with signings like this? Genuine question - does anyone know?
He played five games for a team fighting relegation in Croatia. Who scouted him and how exactly did they assess he was good enough?
He was brought in as a development player. He has lots of ability but is raw. Only young but has the potential under the guidance of DM to become a good player. It’s his decision making that lets him down due to lack of experience.
Some of the criticism of him is unwarranted. How will he gain any confidence reading some of the posts on here.
Now we have Taylor i would expect Gomes to be on the bench at best.
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Jeering was a disgrace today. But he’s not quite ready yet. Let’s give him time.
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Maybe he just thought Blair was the better option in the circumstances of today’s game.? We need a squad to offer different options on different game scenarios..
The weakest part of Blair’s game is his passing, so it’s a bit odd to bring him on to play a position where this is a key requirement when you have Crawford sat on the bench also.
You are right about Blair’s passing but Crawford’s tackling and proper closing down is his weak point. I do not believe DM sees either the right player fo the two in midfield consistently
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Maybe he just thought Blair was the better option in the circumstances of today’s game.? We need a squad to offer different options on different game scenarios..
The weakest part of Blair’s game is his passing, so it’s a bit odd to bring him on to play a position where this is a key requirement when you have Crawford sat on the bench also.
You are right about Blair’s passing but Crawford’s tackling and proper closing down is his weak point. I do not believe DM sees either the right player fo the two in midfield consistently
Crawford doesn’t tackle much, you are right.
What he does do though is nick the ball well and intercept passes.
He does a fine job in the midfield areas.
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Those who cheered should be ashamed
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The lad has played 145 mins of football and a majority have written him off already. He is young, get behind the lad as opposed to on his back, some of our fans are a joke. The applause when he was subbed was a disgrace.
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Those who cheered should be ashamed
you could also say whoever signed or played him should be ashamed
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No, you couldn’t.. its far too early in the season to lose faith in the managerial team..
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I didn't agree with the cheering either, but the lad was truly awful today. He's not played much football in recent times, so surely he needs to be out on loan to get some game time and experience.
At the moment, he's nowhere near good enough to be starting games.
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Those who cheered should be ashamed
you could also say whoever signed or played him should be ashamed
Blackpool we don’t why GM signed him was it one of his bad signings but DM has got to try and work with what he’s got until he gets better. The best three players Grant signed were all loans. But how you can say DM should be ashamed is wrong. I would say who ever allowed 4 good players to leave the club made wrong decisions. But that gone now we work with Gomes we improve him and for me DM and his assistant will do that.
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Those who cheered should be ashamed
you could also say whoever signed or played him should be ashamed
f**k off.
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I was only joking mate he might well turn out ok, just think he would be best off been on bench until he adjusts to league 1 football
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No, you couldn’t.. its far too early in the season to lose faith in the managerial team..
Is it ?. Oops !.
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No, you couldn’t.. its far too early in the season to lose faith in the managerial team..
Or a player that's played about a game and a half of League One football.
haha
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Minus a 10 min switch he was always on the right?
Thats completely wrong.
He started the game in the wide left position and switched to the right about 25 minutes into the first half.
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The reaction when he went off was awful. No player of ours should be subject to that from our own fans. Gomes isn’t ready yet, that much is obvious, but I hope the reaction yesterday doesn’t undermine his confidence too much. Next time he plays he should be cheered on.
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Mixture of Ben Khemis and Riccardo Calder looks like running in quick sand. Seems lazy also
Don’t agree with either this or slating our own players - but must admit that is f**king funny...
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Funny? You then wonder why players don't want the ball, because people like you abuse them, give them stick instead of encouraging
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It's not under 10s down the park. These are professional footballers and being paid as such. This is a football forum where we talk about the team and the players, the players don't have to read it. Do you think Gomes will play better somehow if everyone blows smoke up his arse on the forum instead of telling the truth?
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Crawford should be playing there
He was very good last season, I’m baffled how Moore doesn’t fancy him and thinks Gomes and Blair are better central midfielders
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Crawford is a good technical player but lightweight and not sufficiently consistent.
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Crawford should be playing there
He was very good last season, I’m baffled how Moore doesn’t fancy him and thinks Gomes and Blair are better central midfielders
What makes you think he believes that.? After one game where Crawford didn’t get on.?
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A young lad that's had a bout 5 different clubs tells the story would have run over hot fires to sign a two year deal here
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Crawford should be playing there
He was very good last season, I’m baffled how Moore doesn’t fancy him and thinks Gomes and Blair are better central midfielders
What makes you think he believes that.? After one game where Crawford didn’t get on.?
No,
He wasn’t in the starting 11 for friendlies or even the squad for some of them.
Yet played with the fringe players in other games.
Started Gomes in the first game and then started Gomes in the 2nd and chose Blair to come on as central midfielder rather than Crawford.
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We have him for 2 years. Moore has some responsibility for the lad now, and developing him as a player. He firstly can't throw him in at the deep end in league games. He's not ready to start. He either needs to go out on loan, be introduced into the team in cup/games or a much more incremental way, or give him an individual training programme to improve some of his attributes (touch and strength would be good ones).
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Crawford is a good technical player but lightweight and not sufficiently consistent.
As oppose to beefcake Gomes
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First poor decision made playing Gomes ahead of Blair. Blair will always get to the biline and get more chances created for those in the box
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He had a poor game & in hindsight, in those weather conditions, he probably shouldn’t have started.
It’s tough enough at this level for seasoned pro’s to play ‘their game’ in driving horizontal rain & gusting winds, you have even less time to control the ball, pick out a pass, be composed.
With the sun on his back & balmy weather I’m sure he may have given a ‘better account’ of himself, but unfortunately he’s joined a team based in Northern England where the weather is more barmy than balmy.
Early days but he puts me in mind of Kiwomya when he first joined us. A goal on his debut after recovering from a serious neurological condition, then found to be too lightweight & eventually sent out on loan. Gomes is ‘a luxury’ we can’t afford IMO ( yes I know we’re just two games into the season) & maybe sending him out on loan would be the best option for both him & the club.
Cheering at his substitution though....disgraceful.
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No ones asking you to blow smoke up his ##s#, as you put it, but YOU are supposed to be on his side, a SUPPORTER, so why after 2 games would you give him stick, it's ridiculous, yes it's about opinions but slateing after 2 games is insane
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Gomes was a bit of a left field signing nobody really knew much about him or had seen him play.However as a youngster he had attracted big clubs who obviously thought he has potential..
Far to early to be saying he's not good enough and thought he showed a bit of class on twitter this weekend when he praised the fans support on Saturday despite getting a bit of stick...
Would he be first choice right now,no probably not but think he has more to give than people are assuming given a bit of settling in time..
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Didn't go Rochdale but having seen him play three or four times now I must admit I think overall he hasn't looked quite upto the required standard in my opinion. Although he was excellent in the Hull friendly.
Regardless though the lad has not even played more than 145 competitive minutes for us and people are already jumping all over his back. Give the lad a chance.
He's came back from another county, is probably just settling back in etc and is getting used to his new team mates.
Regardless anyway, of how good he is now or how good or bad he turns out to be. Supporters shouldn't be booing him or cheering when he's coming off or whatever was happening. It's shite and as a a player it must make them feel like shit.
Imagine going to work and being slated every time you do something or somebody cheering as you leave the office. It's nice to feel wanted and maybe when people give that impression more the players might relax more and put in some better more composed performances.
Just a thought.