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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Welling Rover on September 29, 2019, 05:30:58 pm
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Not a good day for the Dons and Knights in Newcastle today !!
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Great day for Wales though
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The Donny Teams obviously did not use the Australian points based system - or have I confused that with a different thread / subject :ohmy:
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How good are Japan?
Some electrifying play bamboozling the Jocks.
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How good are Japan?
Some electrifying play bamboozling the Jocks.
Their handling, offloads and movement were unbelievable first half. Shame the Scots forgot how to play for 35 minutes in the first half as if the game had been played like the second half for the entirety it would have been an incredible game!
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I dont fully understand RU but that game was absorbing
I dont think I have seen such a handling performance by a Team before - and as TT says movement as well.
Looked like they were "Red and White shirted Barbarians" said the Commentator
One other thing - I dont think I have seen so few Penalties given in a game - so they must have been highly disciplined as well ? When I say that I mean Penalties given in a Game. As I say I am crap with the Rules but there seemed to be loads of stuff that looked dodgy when the ball was on the floor with Players picking the ball up or throwing the opposition Players out of the way - and lots diving in at the side that normally would BE a Penalty but I could (as is possible) just be plain wrong
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It's at that stage where the none rugby fan like me will watch it Saturday just because it's England v Australia in a world cup quarter final.
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I love to watch it but with traveling I haven't caught a match yet, has anyone tried the ITV Hub which says it will show all the matches?
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They show ITV channels live on the app so if you get on there you'll have no trouble.
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Cool thanks
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Will be watching England v Australia live in Rome tomorrow as RAI is showing the 1/4 finals live which is free to air, and if I can get further time off for good behaviour the NZ v Ireland game, I'm pushing it to see any Sunday games.
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Brilliant performance.
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Great game, Aus challenged but were put back each time.
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Was a great performance be a much bigger test next week whoever we play, really good game by both teams still thou
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Australia were lamentable in their decision making and kicking. England can't expect to be gifted so much possession next saturday, whoever we play.
Credit to the referee with the late Ausie try. Asked TMO to check the last pass. TMO said it was good as it wasn't sufficiently clear that it was forward. Ref asked to see the VT and with only one viewing declined to spare the TMO's blushes, stating "clearly forward, I cannot award the try" and brought play back for the scrum.
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That’s because it was forward, as I though in real time. TMO should have seen it. The TMO missed a leg lift by the Aussies towards the end of the first half..
Highlights for me were Farrell’s kicking - take the points when offered, and a prop forward running in from the 22 to score a try.
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Agree, called it real time, a metre forward
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Well done Wales a thrilling finish. Not sure I've seen a worse action by Sébastien Vahaamahina to get himself sent off.
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I was really surprised to see that - rugby can be aggressive with pushing and shoving and occasional punch ups - but that elbow was delivered with intent. There is no way that would be kissed with so many replays..
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Go England, this match should be a cracker, no quarter given.
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Big second half coming up now, New Zealand surely can’t be as bad as they were in the first half
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Big second half coming up now, New Zealand surely can’t be as bad as they were in the first half
We will do it I am sure. The belief is there in this team.
16-7 next score is crucial.
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World Cup finalists. :that:
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NZ don’t have a particularly good record in sport against England this year
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Magnificent, barring one mistake New Zealand were never going to get through that brick wall
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Unbelievable. It's made up for the disappointment of the Tranmere postponement.
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Fantastic performance, one match to go.
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Greatly impressed with Steve Hansen. Very magnanimous in defeat. The bloke's got class.
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Fantastic performance, one match to go.
Yes ... I was impressed massively so
Hope SA win because I would hate to lose to Wales though saying that it would add even more Kudos I suppose
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I am not a rugby man (despite the efforts of Reg Clayton at Thorne Grammar back in the sixties) but I know a good performance when I see one.
England were superb and I don’t think it was a case of NZ being poor, it was more that England didn’t let them be good.
On the day, the best team won.
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Was saying to the guys I watched it with earlier - it'd be nice to see wales beat South Africa too - two home nations in a southern hemisphere tournament final would be some achievement! I know it's not really southern hemisphere but surely it counts? Lol
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That was the best performance by an England team since the last time we played in the World Cup final for me... We were absolutely superb, the end result didn't do justice to the performance!
New Zealand the number 1 team in the world looked nervous, panicky and never settled at all because we didn't let them!
Superb!
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So good 88 it's hard to imagine they can repeat or improve on it but that's what the ABs have been doing for ..... well almost ever so I'm hoping for a big one come Saturday, go England.
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Keep the ball moving and South Africa won’t live with us, get dragged into rucks and mauls and we’ll find it hard going
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From what I have seen so far, England at their best are better than SA at their best in all areas.
You never know what will happen, as NZ showed against England with a poor display (for them).
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The Wales didn't knock off SA but I'm hoping they can give NZ a bit of a touch up in around an hour's time. Wales deserve a win following good form in the 6 nations and it would be a fitting end to Warren Gatland's reign, they have to turn up though cos the ABs will be waiting with intent.
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Wales are getting a bit of a hiding and I don't see them turning it around at present
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Both sides playing with freedom. Makes it s great watch.
NZ are really turning on the style.
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it's more like a barbarians game
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Both sides playing with freedom. Makes it s great watch.
NZ are really turning on the style.
And they just kept on turning, it was far from error free but they played at breakneck speed and blew the dragons away I'm afraid.
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The way that NZ saw off the Welsh makes you realise how good England were in the semi final.
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True Hound, but I still think NZ were off it a bit, in that game..
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2 big games today here's hoping England don't go for a burton.
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We’ve been sucked into South Africa’s game here, we need to be better at handling and moving the ball
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The half time chat from Eddy will be simple, calm down ad stop making mistakes
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We’ve been sucked into South Africa’s game here, we need to be better at handling and moving the ball
What a load of garbage. Give me Rugby League every time.
South Africa not even got near our line. Winning 12-6 HT. Just penalties for technical infringements you can’t even see.
Looking forward to a proper game this afternoon.
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RL there you go it's yours
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At least three of their penalties came from England’s unforced errors leading to scrums then penalties. Lost a line out in a great attacking position and then threw a pass straight into touch near their 22..
Not a patch on last week.
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Technical infringements indeed but Farrell done for holding on in front of posts yet SA bloke caught by Itoje held on twice as long when isolated
Ref not consistent
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RL there you go it's yours
Sorry lost you Sydney.
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How does the ref see all these infringements.
It’s penalty after penalty. If this is entertainment you can keep it.
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RL there you go it's yours
Sorry lost you Sydney.
You did say 'give me RL every time' you can support more than 1 code?
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RL there you go it's yours
Sorry lost you Sydney.
You did say 'give me RL every time' you can support more than 1 code?
Ok with you. :)
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Game set & match.
This has been awful. Wouldn’t believe same team that beat New Zealand.
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Absolutely gutted - outplayed by S Africa......... although the French ref really winds me up...
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Fantastic last week, piss poor this week
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SA much the better team
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Now I’m not up on the rules of this game, but how is that annoying little t**t Faf De Klerk not penalised for delaying putting the ball into the scrum everytime, he waits until the scrum is about to collapse and then puts it in and wins a penalty
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England have only themselves to blame, far too many mistakes..
Opposite of how they played vs NZ.
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I agree but thats a bit of gamesmanship and the ref should have been awake.
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Now I’m not up on the rules of this game, but how is that annoying little t**t Faf De Klerk not penalised for delaying putting the ball into the scrum everytime, he waits until the scrum is about to collapse and then puts it in and wins a penalty
Agreed. The laws of the game are barmy.
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Possibly stretching the rules but in all honesty England didn’t play very well consistently throughout the game..
They only had one passage of play that got even close to scoring a try, resulting only in a penalty in the first half.
I said earlier in the thread that England at their best would be the better side, but England weee nowhere near their best.
Not good enough today.. no complaints with that result.
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SA played on the edge....right on the edge. They were allowed to play there by the ref - and took full advantage of that. They gave us no time or space and generally were the better team. Had we scored a try in the period before half time when we had 2 dozen phases then it all could have been different. In general a great tournament, we froze a bit in the final, but eventually lost out to one of the best teams in the world........... no disgrace there. Let's not forget we beat Australia and New Zealand en route and I for one am proud....
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Good wrap up MM
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Not quite.
I am a non rugby man so I will ask, did anyone else think that the ref was a bit biased towards SA?
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No
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i was amazed when the England bloke palmed the springbock kick to his mate whilst standing off the pitch
it seems the ball is not out of play when it is off the pitch in the air and
you also seem to get an infinite amount of substitutions
i liked the bit where the bock got treated on the pitch as play continued
today their kicker was superb from what i saw, different day different result - but that is any sport
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Had it finished now?
Have we been spared the upper-middle class spunkfest that we were subjected to in 2003.
I recall Jilly Cooper writing about what fine examples of English middle class manhood the rugger bugger were, back then, and contrasting them against the working class oiks who played football.
And I bear grudges. So ever since then, I've wanted England's Rugby Union side to underperform. Just to spite class warriors like that f**king idiot.
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Its not always like that though.
I went to school in Featherstone, in the heart of the typical industrial/mining community that was mostly rugby league. We played union, and were quite good at it too..
But yes there is still sometimes that perception of
rugby union as a public school game rather than for the working man..
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Same for me went to a big ordinary school in Donny and played a bit of Union, never heard of RL till I started work.
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Not quite.
I am a non rugby man so I will ask, did anyone else think that the ref was a bit biased towards SA?
Not so much biased, more a case of having a defining opinion.
He made his mind up early on that the disruption at the scrummage was illegal play by England, and therefore kept giving SA penalties. SA then played to that every time.
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Its not always like that though.
I went to school in Featherstone, in the heart of the typical industrial/mining community that was mostly rugby league. We played union, and were quite good at it too..
But yes there is still sometimes that perception of
rugby union as a public school game rather than for the working man..
Rugby Union is and has been played in the Public Schools, but it is worth remembering that a lot of those schools play (Association) Football. Schools like Malvern, Charterhouse, Repton, Shrewsbury and even Eton have strong football traditions.
The real backbone of Rugby Union used to be the Grammar Schools. Many Grammars dropped football in the aftermath of World War One. Professional football continued until at least 1915 and wasn't totally abandoned until conscription was introduced. This did not sit well with many of the middle-classes, who contrasted this with Rugby Union, which almost completely ceased at the outbreak of War. Over the years that followed this tended to sharpen the class distinctions between rugby and association (hence the likes of Jilly Cooper, the epitome of middle-class snobbery).
Nowadays Rugby Union is not played as much in state schools, so elite players are increasingly developed and recruited via independent schools, which have the resources to maintain rugby. Cricket has similar issues. It isn't always correct though to characterise Union players as posh boys. Some undoubtedly are, but many elite players have won sports scholarships to independent schools.
Incidentally, Frank Lampard was educated at an independent school, and I don't see many people calling him posh!
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I have no idea why my school played RU and not RL. We didn’t play football either, sadly.
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Had it finished now?
Have we been spared the upper-middle class spunkfest that we were subjected to in 2003.
I recall Jilly Cooper writing about what fine examples of English middle class manhood the rugger bugger were, back then, and contrasting them against the working class oiks who played football.
And I bear grudges. So ever since then, I've wanted England's Rugby Union side to underperform. Just to spite class warriors like that f**king idiot.
You bear grudges? I would never have believed that in a million years.
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Only to them that bring it on themselves. Like class warriors like Jilly Cooper who made it clear that she despised the working class.
I've never ever borne a grudge against anyone who thinks and considers and weighs evidence and approaches an issue without prejudice. Might disagree with their conclusion, but I'll appreciate it.
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I went to Thorne Grammar and it was only rugby union, no football at any time. Thorne Secondary Modern played rugby league. I really resent that I missed seven years of competitive football just to please snobby attitudes in education.
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I went to Thorne Grammar and it was only rugby union, no football at any time. Thorne Secondary Modern played rugby league. I really resent that I missed seven years of competitive football just to please snobby attitudes in education.
I was at TGS too Hounslowrover.
I also had issues with RU interference with my football but had a quiet word with Reg Clayton and he understood my circumstances and “allowed” me to miss the school rugby matches on Saturdays.
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I went to Thorne Grammar and it was only rugby union, no football at any time. Thorne Secondary Modern played rugby league. I really resent that I missed seven years of competitive football just to please snobby attitudes in education.
I was at TGS too Hounslowrover.
I also had issues with RU interference with my football but had a quiet word with Reg Clayton and he understood my circumstances and “allowed” me to miss the school rugby matches on Saturdays.
I played for the team until in the second year until my bother's name appeared instead of mine. I let him play and just kept quiet. We were in the same year as I transferred from the Secondary Modern a year late because of the 'kiddie fiddler' at Fieldside. I left TGS in 1967.
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Not really a ruby fan and prefer Rugby League as a game to watch, which is faster and more skilful to me not being that into the game. That game reminded me of the old Rugby League game which was known as stuff it up your jumper with massive forwards hammering each other. Very little running with the ball, or skill shown by the backs, much like the American versions of sport, games invented for big freaks of nature, played by big freaks of nature.
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Its not always like that though.
I went to school in Featherstone, in the heart of the typical industrial/mining community that was mostly rugby league. We played union, and were quite good at it too..
But yes there is still sometimes that perception of
rugby union as a public school game rather than for the working man..
I used to watch Featherstone Rovers regularly in the late 70’s early 80’s IDM.
I think it is still perceived by many particularly in the South that Union is a middle class sport and League is a Northern working class sport.
Not as much of that snobbery around today as there was even 15 years ago.
Don’t think then the Union guys wanted any Northern teams in the Premiership. Now it’s different.
Just my perception of how it is. I may be wrong.
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Anyone who still thinks that RU is just a middle class game played by toffs should go down to Wheatley Hills RU Club off York Road, and have a few pints with the players after the game.
They'll soon think differently.
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Its not always like that though.
I went to school in Featherstone, in the heart of the typical industrial/mining community that was mostly rugby league. We played union, and were quite good at it too..
But yes there is still sometimes that perception of
rugby union as a public school game rather than for the working man..
I used to watch Featherstone Rovers regularly in the late 70’s early 80’s IDM.
I think it is still perceived by many particularly in the South that Union is a middle class sport and League is a Northern working class sport.
Not as much of that snobbery around today as there was even 15 years ago.
Don’t think then the Union guys wanted any Northern teams in the Premiership. Now it’s different.
Just my perception of how it is. I may be wrong.
It was a grim place in those days.. kind you I haven’t been back there for years and years.
Fev vs Cas was about as big at it got with sporting rivalries.!
I ever got to play RL, one of my team mates did play for Cas for a little while though I think..
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Had it finished now?
Have we been spared the upper-middle class spunkfest that we were subjected to in 2003.
I recall Jilly Cooper writing about what fine examples of English middle class manhood the rugger bugger were, back then, and contrasting them against the working class oiks who played football.
And I bear grudges. So ever since then, I've wanted England's Rugby Union side to underperform. Just to spite class warriors like that f**king idiot.
So you have a grudge against a sport and a sporting team (your national team, no less) based on the opinions of a romance novelist?
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Nick.
That was one of many such articles back then. It's the only one whose author I remember. But there was a tsunami of class prejudice unleashed by that win back in 2003. It was quite shocking to read the articles in the likes of the Times and Telegraph at the time. On the theme of this being the result of the country having a thriving and successful upper middle class after two decades of Thatcherism, while the football team's woes showed how feckless and useless the working class was. Most of the articles weren't as abrupt as that, but the theme was still the same. Cooper's article said pretty much exactly the words I've just put up there.
I'll admit, I've never much liked the game. I appreciate the skill, but as a spectacle it bores me. And for all the working class people who do enjoy and play it, it's a sport that is intimately woven into the fabric of our upper classes. As those articles rawly demonstrated in 2003. So yeah, on balance, I'd prefer for them to stay in their box and not have any reason to spout their bile this weekend. Especially with a very class-based election on the horizon.
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Saved us Knighting a few, very surprised at how quiet it has been on radio and TV all day.
Billy is spot on, all the bile comes from the Rugby Union side, just last week a daily paper was pointing out that the England squad had no players from the North East and Yorkshire areas. and was centred around London and the South East.
I noticed the crossover idea didn't last long when Wigan won their sevens, and then blasted Bath.
If Australia ever enter a sevens side of RL players in the Olympics, the rest would be better off not turning up.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50240391
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Nick.
That was one of many such articles back then. It's the only one whose author I remember. But there was a tsunami of class prejudice unleashed by that win back in 2003. It was quite shocking to read the articles in the likes of the Times and Telegraph at the time. On the theme of this being the result of the country having a thriving and successful upper middle class after two decades of Thatcherism, while the football team's woes showed how feckless and useless the working class was. Most of the articles weren't as abrupt as that, but the theme was still the same. Cooper's article said pretty much exactly the words I've just put up there.
I'll admit, I've never much liked the game. I appreciate the skill, but as a spectacle it bores me. And for all the working class people who do enjoy and play it, it's a sport that is intimately woven into the fabric of our upper classes. As those articles rawly demonstrated in 2003. So yeah, on balance, I'd prefer for them to stay in their box and not have any reason to spout their bile this weekend. Especially with a very class-based election on the horizon.
I wanted us to win as it is my country but it was almost worth losing to show that bigot Mike Parry up.
His rant on the radio on Friday was disgraceful as well as stupid.
How does that guy make a living in journalism? He must think that the louder he shouts increases the validity of his view.
An absolute disgrace.
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Well Syd, as a true Yokshire man, we can always say in the language of Santa, you southern jessies have let us don big time.