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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: SydneyRover on November 16, 2019, 12:23:13 am
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From knucklehead prince Philip a collective effort to disown Diana a disloyal dishonest Charles who interferes in the country's politics to prince Andrew and a lame queen not to mention the other clingons. There could still be all the parades but just have a representative like a president, if the only good reason being offered is tourism then it's not really good enough is it?
''In a pre-recorded interview with Emily Maitlis, understood to have been the result of six months of negotiations with the royal household, Andrew also said he had “no recollection” of ever meeting Virginia Giuffre, the woman who claims to have been coerced into having sex with the royal by the financier Epstein''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/15/prince-andrew-on-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-i-let-royals-down
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Not sure why you would call a 90 odd year old woman lame but everyone to there own
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From a straw poll at the Pub last night (just listening inn - sic) - there was a discussion going on about what some of the people called our horrendous / uninspiring / dirge of a National Anthem
I agreed and said well one way to get rid of it is to become a Republic and we would not then be singing God save our Queen (or King) and there was a perhaps not surprising discussion on what the Royals "do" for us v the Republic debate and I would say it was another polarised result - slightly more than half in favour of a Republic
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The Queen has given a long lifetime of great service to Britain and visits from her have always carried a lot weight with foreign Government Leaders being her host. She has given far more than many, many politicians. I am not an over the top monarchist but she has been great for Britain.
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From a straw poll at the Pub last night (just listening inn - sic) - there was a discussion going on about what some of the people called our horrendous / uninspiring / dirge of a National Anthem
I agreed and said well one way to get rid of it is to become a Republic and we would not then be singing God save our Queen (or King) and there was a perhaps not surprising discussion on what the Royals "do" for us v the Republic debate and I would say it was another polarised result - slightly more than half in favour of a Republic
Who would you prefer President Blair or Chairman Corbyn?
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Given that they have no real power, they are harmless IMHO.
I find myself siding with AL here, in that it is good for our country to have a figurehead-head of state who is always non-political. The personal qualities of the individuals is a different matter but I can’t see any problem with the Queen.
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If the queen cannot get a legal opinion about what the pm is telling her from the attorney general to give her an option of declining an illegal proposal what is the point of having one when we could buy a rubber stamp from the pound shop?
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She carries a lot more clout in the eyes of foreign heads of state than some two bob career politician. There's nothing more that they like better than being invited to a banquet at Buck House.
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Excellent idea, what do you reckon we could get for her?
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I don't think there is any great appetite, even on the Left, to get into the issue of the Monarchy while the present Queen is on the throne. However, after her death I think it could become a live issue.
I think people tend to look at this issue from the wrong end. Rather than "Should we keep/ get rid of the Monarchy?" we ought to be thinking how we want to be governed. As Head of State do we want a respected figurehead or do we want an Executive President, as in France or the USA? If we want the former then I really don't think there's a massive case for doing away with the Monarchy, although there is a strong case for it being pared back a good deal.
To be honest, I think there are more important issues than who is our Head of State. The whole question of Perogative Powers needs looking at , as does the House of Lords, which should either be totally abolished or replaced by an elected second chamber.
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I think what's left of the UK should go to a model with a figurehead being appointed/voted so they can be removed in adverse circumstances, withbthe lot we have now, when they screw up big time just spend more money on PR and ride out the storm. It's unbelievable that these are the people that the country is supposed to look up to. How do you answer your Kids when they ask 'what did prince Andrew do?'
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The royal family put in a shit tonne more money to the economy than they take out. It'd be foolish to get rid.
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As I said earlier you can still have the pageantry and a lot of the buildings belong to the state and with the current state of affairs especially if charges are laid against Andy (not sure whether he can grab the immunity stick) it may be good time to consider the options after the election.
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The royal family put in a shit tonne more money to the economy than they take out. It'd be foolish to get rid.
So they say and it may well be true.
That's not the issue for me.
I've long thought that the concept of the Royal Family is a major drag on us as a country. It's something that gives too many of us a false sense of the relative importance of Britain. And I think (no evidence, just a gut feeling) that while ever we have a Royal Family, we as a nation have something of an air of entitlement going with it. Put bluntly, I'm not sure we work as hard as we maybe should.
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The royal family put in a shit tonne more money to the economy than they take out. It'd be foolish to get rid.
So they say and it may well be true.
That's not the issue for me.
I've long thought that the concept of the Royal Family is a major drag on us as a country. It's something that gives too many of us a false sense of the relative importance of Britain. And I think (no evidence, just a gut feeling) that while ever we have a Royal Family, we as a nation have something of an air of entitlement going with it. Put bluntly, I'm not sure we work as hard as we maybe should.
I'm not having a dig at you here BST, but surely any British citizen should think that Britain is important. If we don't think that then why should anyone else? I believe there is nothing that cannot be achieved by our nation and people given the chance.
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AL.
Yes. Of course. And I do.
My post was not in any way saying that our country is not important.
I meant that I think there's a large number of people who feel that we're entitled to be the best BECAUSE we are British. And the whole Royal pomp feeds that attitude.
You're only the best if you work like f**k and make the right decisions. I don think we've done enough of either of those things for a long time.
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I personally don’t see any problem in the royal family, some traditions are best off left alone, millions of people get enjoyment out of the royals so for me no need to change
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I totally agree with all the pro-monarchy posts above. However, there's no doubt that Prince Andrew has done them no favours with all this business, and it will be interesting to see the outcome of it, if any.
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Erm no
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People who just select the negatives about something and simply ignore the good things are kidding themselves as much as those they are trying to convince.
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People who just select the negatives about something and simply ignore the good things are kidding themselves as much as those they are trying to convince.
Jeremy Corbyn?
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I love the royal family, especially Charles and camilla
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People who just select the negatives about something and simply ignore the good things are kidding themselves as much as those they are trying to convince.
Jeremy Corbyn?
It works the other way round too! People who just select the positives and ignore the bad things are kidding themselves as much as those they are trying to convince.
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From a straw poll at the Pub last night (just listening inn - sic) - there was a discussion going on about what some of the people called our horrendous / uninspiring / dirge of a National Anthem
I agreed and said well one way to get rid of it is to become a Republic and we would not then be singing God save our Queen (or King) and there was a perhaps not surprising discussion on what the Royals "do" for us v the Republic debate and I would say it was another polarised result - slightly more than half in favour of a Republic
Who would you prefer President Blair or Chairman Corbyn?
They’re plenty on here who would like to see Komrade Korbyn as president or Chairman
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From a straw poll at the Pub last night (just listening inn - sic) - there was a discussion going on about what some of the people called our horrendous / uninspiring / dirge of a National Anthem
I agreed and said well one way to get rid of it is to become a Republic and we would not then be singing God save our Queen (or King) and there was a perhaps not surprising discussion on what the Royals "do" for us v the Republic debate and I would say it was another polarised result - slightly more than half in favour of a Republic
Who would you prefer President Blair or Chairman Corbyn?
They’re plenty on here who would like to see Komrade Korbyn as president or Chairman
Corbyn for me, my vote could never facilitate another Tory govt.
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A Tory victory would be facilitated by Jeremy Corbyn.
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From a straw poll at the Pub last night (just listening inn - sic) - there was a discussion going on about what some of the people called our horrendous / uninspiring / dirge of a National Anthem
I agreed and said well one way to get rid of it is to become a Republic and we would not then be singing God save our Queen (or King) and there was a perhaps not surprising discussion on what the Royals "do" for us v the Republic debate and I would say it was another polarised result - slightly more than half in favour of a Republic
Who would you prefer President Blair or Chairman Corbyn?
Who says there has to be a President?
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The royal family put in a shit tonne more money to the economy than they take out. It'd be foolish to get rid.
If the Royal family weren't there, the shit tonne (sic) of money would already be in the economy without the need for them to put it in or take any out.
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There is tradition to take into account and to be fair they raise a lot of money for charities as well as tourism
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The OP is showing a serious lack of respect.
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The OP is showing a serious lack of respect.
I'm truly sorry Andrew for embarrassing you in your time of need, you too Charlie I thought your treatment of Diana was really top stuff and love your comments about India and their people, Phil yor sensitivitiess have always impressed me your ready quips are always spot on, the way the royal family tried to further international relations around and during the second world war could have saved many many lives, I will never forget that :)
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You forgot to retract about The Queen.
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Come the glorious day they’ll all be lined up against the wall...along with Beetlebeard! 😂
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You forgot to retract about The Queen.
queenie I'm very sorry you had to listen to that arsehole Johnson pour out his lies while you just sat there sucked it up and did absolutely squat, have a lovely day :)
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You forgot to retract about The Queen.
queenie I'm very sorry you had to listen to that arsehole Johnson pour out his lies while you just sat there sucked it up and did absolutely squat, have a lovely day :)
Change of subject (you might not understand the joke).
Noteable though that you haven’t withdrawn your original comment about The Queen.
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Isn't it ironic how a typical lefty thinks it's cool to insult the royal family and would probably advocate a regime that would hang people for such behaviour?
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There is tradition to take into account and to be fair they raise a lot of money for charities as well as tourism
Really? Give us some figures to back both of those up. Money that they personally have raised.
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Isn't it ironic how a typical lefty thinks it's cool to insult the royal family and would probably advocate a regime that would hang people for such behaviour?
Would you in your infinite wisdom like to go through my comments to which were untrue :)
added: bye bye bb
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Isn't it ironic how a typical lefty thinks it's cool to insult the royal family and would probably advocate a regime that would hang people for such behaviour?
Yeah I'm sure they "probably" would.
Jesus f**king wept ...
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Isn't it ironic how a typical lefty thinks it's cool to insult the royal family and would probably advocate a regime that would hang people for such behaviour?
Would you in your infinite wisdom like to go through my comments to which were untrue :)
added: bye bye bb
Calling the Queen 'Lame' and her husband a knucklehead is untrue and downright disrespectful in my opinion. They're not lone targets in your many agendas against people who aren't on the 'Guardian Angels' list that you so much depend on though.
It's just another example where you have nothing good to say about people who don't fit into your beliefs and portray them with complete disrespect for those who have.
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"'in your opinion''
bb you insult people's intelligence if not every day then most day's on this forum, those trying to have an important conversation about politics and the like, so it's OK for you to continue to do this?
My comment about the royal family is my opinion and if you don't happen to like it suck it up they are no better than fellow forum dwellers, in my opinion :)
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I'll tell you what, then. You keep your opinions to yourself and I'll do the same.
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I'll tell you what, then. You keep your opinions to yourself and I'll do the same.
I'll tell you what, you keep dribbling out your opinions and I'll stick to the facts as much as possible
A knucklehead is someone that doesn't learn from past mistakes, you'd know a lot about that I guess bb :)
The priceless racism of the Duke of Edinburgh
Prince Philip has done the world an extraordinary service by exposing the racist hypocrisy of "Western civilisation".
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/08/priceless-racism-duke-edinburgh-170810082226234.html
25 things Prince Philip said that will make you full-body cringe
https://mashable.com/2017/05/04/prince-philip-gaffes-list/
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''In a sometimes rambling and contradictory account of their friendship, the prince insisted he had not had sex with any women trafficked by Epstein in any of his properties. He confirmed that he had flown on Epstein’s now notorious jet, nicknamed the Lolita Express, and stayed on his private island and at his home in Palm Beach, as well as at his New York mansion''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/prince-andrew-denies-sex-with-teenager-as-at-home-after-pizza-party
It will be interesting to see if he's charged whether he declines immunity and tries to clear his name ............ or not :)
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How many of those were actually racist? One or two might be considered racist now, but now it is a completely different ball game.
Sydney, if you really want to get normal level headed people to hate the royal family as much as you do, you really must try harder.
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''He confirmed that Epstein had been a guest at Windsor and Sandringham and that he attended a dinner celebrating the financier’s release from prison. An arrest warrant was issued for Epstein in May 2006, for sexual assault of a minor. The prince confirmed that he invited Epstein to Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday the following July and was unaware that the warrant had been issued''
Some party huh :)
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Not answering again I see!
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How many of those were actually racist? One or two might be considered racist now, but now it is a completely different ball game.
Sydney, if you really want to get normal level headed people to hate the royal family as much as you do, you really must try harder.
Hate is a strong word bb, I put up some opinions then supported them with facts, not sure you can attribute hate to my posts, but as your post are opinions then you can see them any way you wish can't you :)
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If your posts towards the royal family aren't hate-filled, what stronger poison could you add if they actually were?
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If your posts towards the royal family aren't hate-filled, what stronger poison could you add if they actually were?
in your opinion, don't forget that bb :)
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This is/was my first post, please point to the hate filled bit bb :)
From knucklehead prince Philip a collective effort to disown Diana a disloyal dishonest Charles who interferes in the country's politics to prince Andrew and a lame queen not to mention the other clingons. There could still be all the parades but just have a representative like a president, if the only good reason being offered is tourism then it's not really good enough is it?
''In a pre-recorded interview with Emily Maitlis, understood to have been the result of six months of negotiations with the royal household, Andrew also said he had “no recollection” of ever meeting Virginia Giuffre, the woman who claims to have been coerced into having sex with the royal by the financier Epstein''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/15/prince-andrew-on-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-i-let-royals-down
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If your posts towards the royal family aren't hate-filled, what stronger poison could you add if they actually were?
in your opinion, don't forget that bb :)
My opinion, not a Guardian in sight to speak for me. I'm the reporter/journalist. MY opinion.
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see my post above
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Examples of Semantics: A toy block could be called a block, a cube, a toy. A child could be called a child, kid, boy, girl, son, daughter. The word "run" has many meanings-physically running, depart or go (I have to run, spent (it has run its course), or even a snag in a pair of hose (a run in my hose).
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You described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
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You described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
Apologies for pointing out the obvious but yet again you fail to see it in your blind rush to defend those that don't even know you exist.
queenie to my knowledge doesn't have a gammy leg so I find difficult you can twist this to mean something personal rather than political, lame as in zero political power.
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By the way if you look at the links where you declare ''only some are racist'' you wil see they reasonably recent, how old does a racist remark have to be to be not racist? :)
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Not one to repeat myself unless it's really necessary but you described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
Now, show me the recent racist comments that upset you.
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Not one to repeat myself unless it's really necessary but you described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
Now, show me the recent racist comments that upset you.
didn't I ask you first to point out any hate in my comment?
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Not one to repeat myself unless it's really necessary but you described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
Now, show me the recent racist comments that upset you.
didn't I ask you first to point out any hate in my comment?
He doesn't answer questions, just demands answers of others. Haven't you learnt that yet?
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f**king hell, it's Thrush!
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Not one to repeat myself unless it's really necessary but you described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.
Now, show me the recent racist comments that upset you.
didn't I ask you first to point out any hate in my comment?
I'll take your no-show as you can't to my question bb
As for which racist remarks upset me, all racist remarks upset me, I fail to see why a perfectly reasonable far right wing person such as yourself would try to defend them bb :)
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Post 39 was my answer to your hate-filled post.
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Post 39 was my answer to your hate-filled post.
so still a no then? hasn't anyone advised you not to drink and post :)
By the way I'm quite OK for the mods to examine my posts and admonish me, if they are not already bored enough with your endless circular arguments on this forum bb :)
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by the way bb I've been back through all my posts from no1 and stand by all I've written, whereas your posts and accusations get wilder as the evening turns into morning, funny that :)
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‘’Get yourself a lawyer, son, you're gonna need a good one to get you outta this one’’
Unless of course you reach for the immunity stick.
Transcript:
Maitlis: That was December of 2010.
Andrew: Yep.
Maitlis: He threw a party to celebrate his release and you were invited as the guest of honour.
Andrew: No, I didn’t go. Oh, in 2010, there certainly wasn’t a party to celebrate his release in December because it was a small dinner party, there were only eight or 10 of us I think at the dinner. If there was a party then I’d know nothing about that.
Maitlis: You were invited to that dinner as a guest of honour.
Andrew: Well, I was there so there was a dinner, I don’t think it was quite as you might put it but yeah, OK I was there for … I was there at a dinner, yeah.
Maitlis: I’m just trying to work this out because you said you went to break up the relationship and yet you stayed at that New York mansion several days. I’m wondering how long?
Andrew: But I was doing a number of other things while I was there.
Maitlis: But you were staying at the house …
Andrew: Yes.
Maitlis: … of a convicted sex offender.
Andrew: It was a convenient place to stay. I mean I’ve gone through this in my mind so many times. At the end of the day, with a benefit of all the hindsight that one can have, it was definitely the wrong thing to do. But at the time I felt it was the honourable and right thing to do and I admit fully that my judgment was probably coloured by my tendency to be too honourable but that’s just the way it is.
Maitlis: Because during that time, those few days, witnesses say they saw many young girls coming and going at the time. There is video footage of Epstein accompanied by young girls and you were there staying in his house, catching up with friends.
Andrew: I never … I mean if there were then I wasn’t a party to any of that. I never saw them. I mean you have to understand that his house, I described it more as almost as a railway station if you know what I mean in the sense that there were people coming in and out of that house all the time. What they were doing and why they were there I had nothing to do with.
‘too honourable’ – I’m convinced 😊
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/transcript-prince-andrew-on-the-epstein-scandal
SydneyRover wishes to say that there is no intention to malingn Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Duke of York, KG, GCVO, CD, ADC(P) or accuse him of wrong doing nor put him on the spot, he appears to have achieved that all on his own :)
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That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.
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That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.
Still haven't addressed any of the questions?
Hair of the dog required bb :)
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When you've had it get back to me.
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That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.
I suppose it's better than making it up and getting ratty when people question your logic-morning after pill :)
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Well, yes it is, and I'm pleased for you if you've moved on from that.
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So we've found a few things out recently, you don't like independently funded factual newspapers- intelligence-people having opinions about your royal family and that you'll overlook racism and other flaws to support them, not possibly 'I support the royal family but don't condone Phil's racism? :)
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I don't read papers, but if I did I'd prefer independent ones that aren't one-sided. Now, if the Guardian isn't one-sided you do it a disservice by only quoting your own one-sided views from it.
And no, I don't condone racism, but by quoting Prince Philip's comments from a time when it was commonplace to say such things just means you are digging up the past in your search to add fuel to your agenda, and in doing so annoying level headed people like me who have moved on.
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Maybe in your infinite wisdom you can tell us when racism was ok so I know which of Phil's remarks to beat you with :)
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See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.
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See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.
Have you ever in your life answer a direct question or had a sensible conversation? :)
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Yes and No. I answer all questions but I've never had a sensible conversation with you.
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I rest my case, by the way Phil last made an racist remark that I know of in 2013 of course he has made offensive remarks to people all though his public life-a bit like Johnson really :)
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See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.
Jeez - I have to agree. Racism was so rampant it was normal
Rovers fans always handed it out at Bradford (City). I watched as part of the gang as they went knocking on doors around Valley Parade to see if they could find a person of colour* behind any doors
* these days I dont know if even that is acceptable but what DO you put ?
Rovers had a song** that they reserved for Bradford City - and I am embarrassed to say I used to sing it with gusto. It seemed funny at the time but I realise now it was offensive but as BB points out that behaviour seemed normal - just like telling Irish jokes now I suppose
** It was set to the tune of White Christmas and I will say no more than that.
We also took our lead as a society from telly progs like Love thy Neighbour. Bloody hell how normal was racism if minstream Telly could play that each week with no (seeming) compunction.
So I am with BB here - it was probably wrong / definitely wrong - but seemd extremely normal
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2013?
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Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!
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I'll tell you what, then. You keep your opinions to yourself and I'll do the same.
I'll tell you what, you keep dribbling out your opinions and I'll stick to the facts as much as possible
A knucklehead is someone that doesn't learn from past mistakes, you'd know a lot about that I guess bb :)
The priceless racism of the Duke of Edinburgh
Prince Philip has done the world an extraordinary service by exposing the racist hypocrisy of "Western civilisation".
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/08/priceless-racism-duke-edinburgh-170810082226234.html
25 things Prince Philip said that will make you full-body cringe
https://mashable.com/2017/05/04/prince-philip-gaffes-list/
Items 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19 are definitely racist and would have been considered racist at the time of being said. 17, 20, 21 borderline racist but otherwise playing on stereotypes.
Most if not all the others just downright offensive and insensitive.
I get that the royal family is distant from “ordinary people” and some more than others, some will think that something is wrong when their immediate environment doesn’t smell of fresh paint.!
But that doesn’t excuse the extremes of Prince Phillip’s views.. they have advisors don’t they.?
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So with yours bb & DW's generous bandwidth of 30-40 (from 1989) years ago then we've finally arrive at you agreeing that Phil's objectionable remarks since were racist, well done bb for being so evasive just to support your enrequited love of the royals :) :)
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Of course, 30 to 40 years ago was a rough estimate because racism, as we know it today, didn't become unacceptable overnight. It was a gradual process.
Now, what racist thing did Prince Philip say in 2013? I can't find anything.
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Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!
He might suggest that but in truth I am not and never have been a "racist". I told Irish jokes - even the Irish still do I think re Kilkenny men which follow the same premise
I used to sing that Bradford song but would not do now - because they were different not because I disliked them
At the moment my nephews and nieces have followed the trend of partnering up with / or marrying into multicultural families and my immediate family is much richer for that
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You don't have to explain yourself DW it's just bb trying to twist the conversation from the topic rather than admit the truth
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I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.
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No, Sydney, I'm not trying to twist the conversation, neither am I refusing to admit the truth. The truth is you have started a thread describing your complete lack of respect for the Royal family to provoke an argument.
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I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.
Dead on Hound - much as it embarrasses me to think of my part in what was seen as routing "humour" - both on the Terraces and on TV
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I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.
Dead on Hound - much as it embarrasses me to think of my part in what was seen as routing "humour" - both on the Terraces and on TV
I remember the, shall we say, “white Christmas” sing that you mentioned DW.
I also remember playing in a game when two friends were on opposite sides, one white Englishman and the other an Indian bloke.
I knew them both.
During the game the English lad called the Indian lad a Sambo in jest.
It was loud enough for everyone to hear.
It was accepted by everyone as normal banter .......... because back then, it was.
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The problem is that that banter, even if not meant nastily, separates people into us and them.
And there's a direct, albeit unintended line from that to the sort of attitudes that leads to this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1196055822775783424
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No, Sydney, I'm not trying to twist the conversation, neither am I refusing to admit the truth. The truth is you have started a thread describing your complete lack of respect for the Royal family to provoke an argument.
Then if you 'knew' that why have we got 3 pages of yiu making an absolute dick of yourself? :)
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Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!
so this is not an attempt to wind me up as accusing other people as racists, my op was because of what I see as privileged tw#ts living the high life at the publics expense and acting like morons.
Prince Philip is a racist full stop we have established that and you agree by your own terms
I can't think how I can describe Andrew, I'll leave that to you.
Charles is a pompous d**khead that interferes in politics.
The queen or any other head of the royal family is lame-politically
Margaret - cough
Anne -quite a pleasant woman not rude in any way
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I should stop being rude to Sydney if I were you - don't you know that the 'true' king of the UK is an Australian farmer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Abney-Hastings,_15th_Earl_of_Loudoun
Actually this isn't correct as the 'true' king of the UK would be the direct descendant of King Harold Goodwin - but good luck in tracing them.
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Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!
so this is not an attempt to wind me up as accusing other people as racists, my op was because of what I see as privileged tw#ts living the high life at the publics expense and acting like morons.
Prince Philip is a racist full stop we have established that and you agree by your own terms
I can't think how I can describe Andrew, I'll leave that to you.
Charles is a pompous d**khead that interferes in politics.
The queen or any other head of the royal family is lame-politically
Margaret - cough
Anne -quite a pleasant woman not rude in any way
This is why so many people have stopped posting on the forum.
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Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!
so this is not an attempt to wind me up as accusing other people as racists, my op was because of what I see as privileged tw#ts living the high life at the publics expense and acting like morons.
Prince Philip is a racist full stop we have established that and you agree by your own terms
I can't think how I can describe Andrew, I'll leave that to you.
Charles is a pompous d**khead that interferes in politics.
The queen or any other head of the royal family is lame-politically
Margaret - cough
Anne -quite a pleasant woman not rude in any way
what things have you done for the county/world that makes you not a moron?
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I post, you please yourself if you get involved.
bb, look at at post, decide which opposite view can be sustained, without proof, sustain the argument at all costs, never take a backward step, never ever apologise for being incorrect, escalate the argument in off topic direction, suck others in to support off topic direction, put words in others mouths, don't answer on topic post that are difficult, make an unsustained post and expect others to search to defend it.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2012/jun/11/queen-charitable-support How lame can you get!
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If you rephrase it I may reply
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Alert: Guardian link, may contain facts, anyone allergic to facts please call their doctor now :)
''After the royal’s defiant Newsnight interview on Saturday triggered a disbelieving reaction from the public and the media, the prince was under growing pressure from critics in the UK and US on Sunday who demanded an apology for his conduct and said that his defence of his actions was simply not credible''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/prince-andrew-calls-for-royal-to-say-sorry-and-speak-to-fbi
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You seem very bitter lol plenty of mps on all sides have done wrong in the past why don’t you post a few links of labour ones if your disgusted by people’s behaviour? Andrew no doubt is a bad egg that does not mean they all are does it?
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Always room for another, pint of bitter thank bp :)
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You seem very bitter lol plenty of mps on all sides have done wrong in the past why don’t you post a few links of labour ones if your disgusted by people’s behaviour? Andrew no doubt is a bad egg that does not mean they all are does it?
There you go bp, happy now , oh shit thought you said tory oh well too late now :)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-lies-conservative-leader-candidate-list-times-banana-brexit-bus-a8929076.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gove-boris-johnson-no-deal-blame-brexit-brussels-europe-eu-a9043851.html
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/01/failing-grayling-long-long-list-chris-graylings-blunders-8789780/
http://www.thejist.co.uk/politics/a-list-of-alleged-conservative-lies-corruption-and-incompetence/
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You seem very bitter lol plenty of mps on all sides have done wrong in the past why don’t you post a few links of labour ones if your disgusted by people’s behaviour? Andrew no doubt is a bad egg that does not mean they all are does it?
The difference is that we can vote out MPs or they can be pressured to resign whereas with the royals they just expect people to continue doffing their caps, bowing and curtsying and funding their extravagant lifestyles.
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They certainly do - want to perpetuate procreate and take advantage of what is now an anochronism that is
If they are to continue they need to be similar to other European Monarchies
There are 3 major things that we need to address imho
1) Leaving the EU / B****t (call it what you will) which needs sorting one way or another. However this is a discussion for the dedicated Threads
2) Proportional Representation - which would hopefully negate "extremism" either way and make people engage more with Politics.
3) Whether we become a Republic
The Republic discussion is one that will be faced and will probably be very devisive as well. It wont happen in my lifetime and luckily for posters / readers on here I have no offspring to continue adding their old dads "ten pennorth" (or to ignore)
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You seem very bitter lol plenty of mps on all sides have done wrong in the past why don’t you post a few links of labour ones if your disgusted by people’s behaviour? Andrew no doubt is a bad egg that does not mean they all are does it?
The difference is that we can vote out MPs or they can be pressured to resign whereas with the royals they just expect people to continue doffing their caps, bowing and curtsying and funding their extravagant lifestyles.
Quite. Every time all of you now see Andrew living in the lap of luxury, just remember who earnt the money that pays for it. Because it certainly wasn't him.
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They certainly do - want to perpetuate procreate and take advantage of what is now an anochronism that is
If they are to continue they need to be similar to other European Monarchies
There are 3 major things that we need to address imho
1) Leaving the EU / B****t (call it what you will) which needs sorting one way or another. However this is a discussion for the dedicated Threads
2) Proportional Representation - which would hopefully negate "extremism" either way and make people engage more with Politics.
3) Whether we become a Republic
The Republic discussion is one that will be faced and will probably be very devisive as well. It wont happen in my lifetime and luckily for posters / readers on here I have no offspring to continue adding their old dads "ten pennorth" (or to ignore)
I won't get onto the B word, but I think the prospects of PR might get a boost in the wake of this General Election. It needs one of the "Big" parties to get behind it. There's currently no incentive for the Tories to support PR, but if the penny drops with Labour that the situation in Scotland means it will struggle to gain an outright majority even in favourable circumstances, they might just start to call for the introduction of PR.
I can't see it happening while Corbyn is Labour Leader, but when he steps down, a younger Leader might be receptive to the idea.
As for the Monarchy, as I said earlier, I think it's not going to be a live issue while the Queen is alive, but after that I think it could become a topic for discussion.
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I really can't get all this 'love' for the monarchy. They aren't chosen by God, nor any other Sky Fairy. They aren't special. They are only there because somewhere in the past someone had a bigger gang with bigger sticks!
Take a look through history. A bigger bunch of murdering crooks is hard to find - yet people think they're wonderful somehow.
And don't give me that crap about the alternative being President Johnson or President Corbin - where does it say that we HAVE to have either a Monarch or a President? We can operate quite successfully, and I believe quite happily, under a well run Parliament acting in the countries best interests.
Oh, and cut the crap about how much tourism they bring in; more people visit Disney in America than come to see Buck House etc. If we really do want more tourism then there are better options than the supposed 'Royal' family!
https://magicguides.com/disney-world-statistics/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/373081/uk-royal-tourism-admission-numbers-by-establishment/
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/373081/uk-royal-tourism-admission-numbers-by-establishment/
And that tourism is nothing to do with the Royal Family themselves, it's the buildings. Which would still be there, monarchy or not.
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Hear hear Kato!
It may be heretical, but I always did think that Princess Diana would have turned out a much better person if someone had taken her behind the bike sheds when she was 15 or 16. Mind you, in later years I played tennis with an extremely tall female police officer, who, as luck would have it, was on the Royal Protection Squad - or whatever it's called. She scared me shitless one evening when she opened her handbag and pulled out a bloody pistol... Anyway, said lady copper was most disparaging about the Diana. Did not like her one bit. Manipulative, immature, no human decency to her 'inferiors' and extremely thick as well were some of the adjectives I recall. So perhaps the bike sheds wouldn't have done much good after all?
Most of 'em could do with a session behind them sheds tbh.
Cheers
BobG
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Probably why she was so acceptable to the royals to start with Bob
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Ha ha ha!! now that did make me laugh Sydney :)
Cheers
BobG
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Best one-liner so far about Andrew 'he neither engaged a lawyer or his brain' :)
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You know you've hit rock bottom when BT dumps you
"BT says it will not work with company linked to Prince Andrew
Pressure on prince grows as telecoms firm becomes latest to distance itself from him''
Apparently he's thinking of ditching the trade job and joining the Speaking Circuit :)
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Maybe it's a good Andrew cancelled his visit to Doncaster as many would have run out of y-fronts following Johnson's visit? :)
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I think what's left of the UK should go to a model with a figurehead being appointed/voted so they can be removed in adverse circumstances, withbthe lot we have now, when they screw up big time just spend more money on PR and ride out the storm. It's unbelievable that these are the people that the country is supposed to look up to. How do you answer your Kids when they ask 'what did prince Andrew do?'
let’s say the people voted and they voted for say a Tory mp you would then not agree with that, when you say let the people vote, what you mean is let the people vote for what you want, no?
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I think you've already forgotten that the speaker of the house is a position elected by all Mps, independent and accepted by all.
Do you have a problem with that bp?
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Bit surprised I haven't provoked old BB tbh. You are the funniest person on this board BB. You have a real talent. You make me roar with laughter sometimes. But you are not one ofthose blessed with much ability or, I suspect, experience in discussion, debate and argument. As Charles Handy used to say, "Stick to your knitting." It's good advice.
Cheers
BobG
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Bit surprised I haven't provoked old BB tbh. You are the funniest person on this board BB. You have a real talent. You make me roar with laughter sometimes. But you are not one ofthose blessed with much ability or, I suspect, experience in discussion, debate and argument. As Charles Handy used to say, "Stick to your knitting." It's good advice.
Cheers
BobG
That is a very condescending post BG.
I am guessing that you don’t know BB personally.
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Sorry DRFC. You are right. And I was wrong. I don't know BB. No. But I do know his penchant for perpetual unreasoned and prolonged outbursts of emotion which he seeks to masquerade as facts. That, I think, detracts from the man. As I said, BB is gloriously funny. i love him for that. He would hjave a whole legion of fans if he did that a bit more.
Sorry BB. I'm not trying to be a git - even if I've come across like one!
Cheers
BobG
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This is funny, apologies for posting a sun link.
DAN WOOTTON The time has come for Prince Charles step up and sort out the monarchy – the Queen needs his help and support
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10396733/prince-charles-sort-out-monarchy/
Charlie?
yes mum,
Pass me that spade :)
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Prince Andrew obviously doesn't think that knowingly consorting with a convicted paedophile is serous then?
"'Buckingham Palace confirmed on Sunday that the Duke of York was “standing back from all his patronages” but indicated he still hoped to return to a public role at some point by saying the move was only temporary''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/24/prince-andrew-to-withdraw-from-scores-of-charities
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"Prince Charles to seek advice from Philip over Prince Andrew and Epstein scandal''
but i thought it was a train crash not a car crash? :)
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No, that was overturned.
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Good article here explaining the mess the Queen and the clingons are in.
"The Explainer: How much trouble has Prince Andrew caused for the royal family?''
https://www.thejournal.ie/explainer-podcast-prince-andrew-royal-family-4911973-Nov2019/
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Maybe prince Andrew could be swapped for Sacoolas? :)
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Trump just said "I don't know Prince Andrew, but that's a tough story, it's a very tough story, I don't know"
Here he is -
not knowing him at Westminster Abbey, taking a nice stroll on a separate occasion he didn't know him and finally not knowing him whilst partying with Epstein.
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Trump just said "I don't know Prince Andrew, but that's a tough story, it's a very tough story, I don't know"
Here he is -
not knowing him at Westminster Abbey, taking a nice stroll on a separate occasion he didn't know him and finally not knowing him whilst partying with Epstein.
Perhaps Trump meant he didn't know him in a Biblical sense. :lol:
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Rather than start a new thread............
I see Epstein's corporate banker has now been found dead - apparently by suicide just like Epstein himself........ what are the chances..?
https://thebl.com/us-news/the-bank-executive-who-handled-the-finances-of-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-was-found-dead-in-his-home.html