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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on December 27, 2019, 10:33:45 am
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How the mighty have fallen, Sunderland, with Bolton Wanderers arguably the finest example of how to waste, and miss manage lots of money in British football, their fall from grace dramatic and to me sad being one of the North East giants that always had a great history in English football, known when I was a young boy as the Bank of England side with such great players as Ray Daniels and Len Shackleton.
Even now I am at a loss to explain why a team with Grigg, Wyke, Leadbitter, Watmore,Ozturk, McNulty and McLaughlin are struggling to make a mark in this division.
On to our more important to us team The Rovers, after a great win yesterday I hope for no or very few only if injured changes, lets get some stability and confidence, at this time of the year the clever use of substitutes being important, rather than changes, something Darren did perfectly at Peterborough.
Would you make changes?
A very important game with regards to the rest of the season, can we get back to a consistent run of good results?
What is your take on Sunderland?
Lots to discuss about the game, please have your say.
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McGeady has not played for them since 26 November. Not sure whether he is injured or out of favour, but he was probably their best player last season.
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McGeady has not played for them since 26 November. Not sure whether he is injured or out of favour, but he was probably their best player last season.
I’ve read that Parkinson wants shut of him
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On another thread someone asked the question is there anyone who went to one of our greatest ever cup wins at Sunderland in the 1950's who still goes to the games?
Well yes there is, Derek Beaumont who still goes to every game home and away, who was taken to the game by his father on a special bus from Askern.
The Rovers at the time played in Red with white edgings, and a change strip of white with red edgings, which both clashed with the Sunderland strip, us the away side having to change strips.
One of his great memories is guess what? we borrowed a strip from Sheffield Wednesday and played in their famous blue and white stripes.
Let's hope for a first league win against them on Sunday, and Derek can get a long drawn out double up and have been at both games.
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''Sunderland are at the lowest point in their history. How has it come to this?
Team sit 13th in League One and the future of a club that panicked in sacking Jack Ross is shrouded in uncertainty''
They are certainly struggling Selby with precarious finances that must weigh heavy on the mangement.
I'm sure DM will be more than aware to warn his charges about the sleeping giant.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/24/sunderland-lowest-point-history-league-one-how-come-to-this
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Imho, this will be a very different game to the Peterborough game, as Sunderland will not be trying to play open, expansive football and will try to stop us from doing that very same thing. These types of matches are where we’ve struggled to impose ourselves and we could be in for another frustrating 90 odd minutes.
Having said that, goals change games and IF we can get our noses in front, we could be in for a very satisfying encounter.
With the first 11, plus maybe a couple more, we can be a handful for any side and it’s to be hoped everyone is fit and available for both our next 2 very tricky games. Then, it’s a massive fingers crossed for some quality incomings in early January (the earlier the better) and we might just launch an onslaught from here on in.
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How the mighty have fallen, Sunderland, with Bolton Wanderers arguably the finest example of how to waste, and miss manage lots of money in British football, their fall from grace dramatic and to me sad being one of the North East giants that always had a great history in English football, known when I was a young boy as the Bank of England side with such great players as Ray Daniels and Len Shackleton.
Even now I am at a loss to explain why a team with Grigg, Wyke, Leadbitter, Watmore,Ozturk, McNulty and McLaughlin are struggling to make a mark in this division.
On to our more important to us team The Rovers, after a great win yesterday I hope for no or very few only if injured changes, lets get some stability and confidence, at this time of the year the clever use of substitutes being important, rather than changes, something Darren did perfectly at Peterborough.
Would you make changes?
A very important game with regards to the rest of the season, can we get back to a consistent run of good results?
What is your take on Sunderland?
Lots to discuss about the game, please have your say.
The reason is that many of the players you have named arnt very good. Wyke and Grigg have scored 3 goals between them all season. Leadbitter is past it, Ozturk is a liability, Watmore is still trying to get back up to speed after so long out, the other 2 granted are good players at this level. For a club the size of Sunderland, their team is average
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It's good to see they are establishing themselves as a League One team. We've got to do our bit in reminding them their place in the pyramid is not given it has to be earned on the pitch.
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Retdon, is it a case of the players not being very good? or the style of play imposed on them by a manager not suiting them?
To be fair to Grigg and Wyke, I don't think many of our supporters would have been upset if we had signed either one of them in the last transfer window with what has happened to our striker position since then, and their reputations in the game before going to Sunderland.
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McGeady has not played for them since 26 November. Not sure whether he is injured or out of favour, but he was probably their best player last season.
He’s on his way out the club,
Accusations of bullying the younger players
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Only change to the starting 11 for me would be Coppinger in for Gomes.
Maybe put John back to centre back in Joe Wright’s place and bring back James at left back.
But there is always an argument for not changing a winning team at all.
But Copps, well he only played 13 mins yesterday so he should be 100% ready for the Sunderland match.
So difficult to leave him out. He just has that X factor that can make the difference.
Don’t expect many goals in this one. Sunderland don’t concede many and are having huge problems scoring them.
If we play with the same desire and intensity for 90+ mins & take a couple of the chances we create then we will win.
It’s just a case of finding that consistency of performance now.
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Difficult one re Gomes/Copps.
Gomes did very well yesterday in a slightly different role. I'd keep him in.
Didn't Taylor go off injured near the end?
If so, same team for me with Copps on the right in his place.
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McGeady out I hope judging by the above comments !
Having said that, goals change games and IF we can get our noses in front, we could be in for a very satisfying encounter. (Love that from Alan Southstand - obviously auditioning for the POSH job when they fire our Ex Manager and he becomes their ex Manager for a second time or will it be a thrid time) Hope Alan is bang on
Mind you ADVANCE WARNING - duff Referee again alert Darren Drysdale - makes the last Muppet Haines look useful
Here 2 extracts to get you in the "mood"
TRB posted this from a previous Game "reffed" by this bloke :
Same old Darren Drysdale. Random foul detection, whistling for nothing challenges while letting worse ones go. Not unusual in failing to detect foul aerial challenges, but their No. 9 might as well have carried a neon sign saying "I am about to commit a foul." Should have got a second yellow for barging into Alcock with no intention of playing the ball.
.... and Hound said this for a different game
Really poor from Drysdale. He let a lot of dodgy tackles go unpunished early on, especially the late ones on Kane and Copps and I said to my mate, he will book someone for a nothing shirt pull.
Sure enough, a couple of minutes later he carded Wilks for just that.
Two decent pen shouts in the match which are always free kicks outside the box but as usual, nothing doing.
Overall, very inept.
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I think Wright is overrated by our fans and John & Anderson is our best centre back pairing, but other than a couple of brain farts he played well at Peterborough so I wouldn’t tinker with the back 4 unless someone took a knock.
Difficult call with Coppinger but for me he has to come back into the side. Sheaf improved second half but his pass completion percentage in the first half must have been less than 50% so he’d be the one to make way for me. Gomes has played well in the last two games and done enough to retain his place.
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I’ve heard that McGeady is training alone .. fall out with Parkinson who looks to be forcing him out.
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Parkinson to go if we win?
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I think the Xmas has been a campaign planned for a while in DMs mind, he has been careful in trying to maximise the teams effect on the opposition, without putting too much playing pressure on key individuals. Whatever his game plan is will be tailored just for Sunderland, and it may mean that one or two are rested, ready for the Oxford game, which has equal importance.
I hope his strategy works, get another win here and we start flying again, confidence will be boosted and we will start to make those games in hand count and put us in the mix again. Fingers crossed for a win.
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Difficult one re Gomes/Copps.
Gomes did very well yesterday in a slightly different role. I'd keep him in.
Didn't Taylor go off injured near the end?
If so, same team for me with Copps on the right in his place.
Not difficult atall, Gomes starts, he has earnt his place over the last two games in that central position. Taylor came off for tactical reasons so that we could introduce another defender, no injury just tiredness.
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It is a brave man to change a winning side off the back of that performance but Moore has said he set up deliberately for Peterborough. Maybe at home when perhaps Sunderland with their poor away record might want to close the game right down, we need Copps with his creativity to help break through them? If so you would likely put him in for Sheaf rather than Gomes.
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Difficult one re Gomes/Copps.
Gomes did very well yesterday in a slightly different role. I'd keep him in.
Didn't Taylor go off injured near the end?
If so, same team for me with Copps on the right in his place.
Not difficult atall, Gomes starts, he has earnt his place over the last two games in that central position. Taylor came off for tactical reasons so that we could introduce another defender, no injury just tiredness.
In a home game against a very good defensive side we should play Copps instead of Sheaf in that number ten role.
Copps is more likely to unlock the door.
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Parkinson to go if we win?
from a Sunderland point of view "Parkinson betta scotch" rumours that he is getting the sack if he loses by getting a result.
Personally i think he has bitten off more than he can chew.
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This game will dependant on how Sunderland play if they come to close us down it will make it hard.We score when teams come and play open football.
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How the mighty have fallen, Sunderland, with Bolton Wanderers arguably the finest example of how to waste, and miss manage lots of money in British football, their fall from grace dramatic and to me sad being one of the North East giants that always had a great history in English football, known when I was a young boy as the Bank of England side with such great players as Ray Daniels and Len Shackleton.
Even now I am at a loss to explain why a team with Grigg, Wyke, Leadbitter, Watmore,Ozturk, McNulty and McLaughlin are struggling to make a mark in this division.
On to our more important to us team The Rovers, after a great win yesterday I hope for no or very few only if injured changes, lets get some stability and confidence, at this time of the year the clever use of substitutes being important, rather than changes, something Darren did perfectly at Peterborough.
Would you make changes?
A very important game with regards to the rest of the season, can we get back to a consistent run of good results?
What is your take on Sunderland?
Lots to discuss about the game, please have your say.
Try Phil Parkinson for one of the latest reasons the two are struggling. I wouldn’t worry too much about your game with the Mackems as long as he’s in charge. Yet again yesterday he left all the skilfull players out in favour of 5 defenders and two defensive midfielders and spent the game lumping the ball to a stranded Wyke, just as he always did with Madine at Bolton. Even his subs yesterday were like for like instead of injecting some skill and pace. He’s a Neanderthal and never learns so expect 3 easier points than you think on Sunday.
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McGeady has not played for them since 26 November. Not sure whether he is injured or out of favour, but he was probably their best player last season.
Blanked him, not Parkys type of player. Now training with the U23s until he leaves in January. Unless Parkinson goes first of course!!
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How the mighty have fallen, Sunderland, with Bolton Wanderers arguably the finest example of how to waste, and miss manage lots of money in British football, their fall from grace dramatic and to me sad being one of the North East giants that always had a great history in English football, known when I was a young boy as the Bank of England side with such great players as Ray Daniels and Len Shackleton.
Even now I am at a loss to explain why a team with Grigg, Wyke, Leadbitter, Watmore,Ozturk, McNulty and McLaughlin are struggling to make a mark in this division.
On to our more important to us team The Rovers, after a great win yesterday I hope for no or very few only if injured changes, lets get some stability and confidence, at this time of the year the clever use of substitutes being important, rather than changes, something Darren did perfectly at Peterborough.
Would you make changes?
A very important game with regards to the rest of the season, can we get back to a consistent run of good results?
What is your take on Sunderland?
Lots to discuss about the game, please have your say.
Try Phil Parkinson for one of the latest reasons the two are struggling. I wouldn’t worry too much about your game with the Mackems as long as he’s in charge. Yet again yesterday he left all the skilfull players out in favour of 5 defenders and two defensive midfielders and spent the game lumping the ball to a stranded Wyke, just as he always did with Madine at Bolton. Even his subs yesterday were like for like instead of injecting some skill and pace. He’s a Neanderthal and never learns so expect 3 easier points than you think on Sunday.
Don’t expect an easy 3 points but i do think if we score 1st and play with the same intensity we did at Peterborough then will win.
Having a proper front man in Ennis even if he isn’t a prolific goal scorer makes a massive difference and opens up space for Sadlier, Taylor and the midfielders.
The runs off the ball he made yesterday was what we have missed for far too long. His absence has cost us between 6 to 10 points, no question in my mind on that one.
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Retdon, is it a case of the players not being very good? or the style of play imposed on them by a manager not suiting them?
To be fair to Grigg and Wyke, I don't think many of our supporters would have been upset if we had signed either one of them in the last transfer window with what has happened to our striker position since then, and their reputations in the game before going to Sunderland.
Bit of both maybe Selby but none of those players were lighting up the league under the previous manger either. Who ever is in charge of recruitment at Sunderland needs binning off. With their budget they should have a much better side. Having a negative defensive minded manger like Parkinson isn’t helping them either.
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Just noticed it's on Sunday 😳 and no pay on the gate
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
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One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.
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They have not scored an away goal in open play in the league since 14 September.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
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One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.
why .... change a winning team . ?
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
Could not agree more with this.
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One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.
why .... change a winning team . ?
Because football is a squad game these days.
Sunderland will probably set up very defensively and it will almost certainly need a moment of brilliance to unlock them.
Copps is our best player and much more likely than Sheaf to find the match winning pass.
His assist stats are still outstanding and he is scoring goals as well this season.
We have another game on 1st January and even if we beat Sunderland I would expect us to make changes again for that game.
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One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.
why .... change a winning team . ?
Read the previous posts. DM said he set that team up specifically to deal with the threat from Posh.
Sunderland will be different; they'll play to stifle us, and we'll need someone like Copps to unlock them with his creativity.
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SS, great minds eh mate.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.
I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.
If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.
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They have not scored an away goal in open play in the league since 14 September.
Cue Sunderland being 1-0 in the first 10 minutes :suicide:
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.
I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.
If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.
I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.
Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.
I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!
So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
I have to agree with you completely ND. At the Accrington game, he was slated by those around me every time he gave the ball away, and yes he did it often, but I did not hear any praise for him on the numerous occasions he won possession, something he did better than any other Rovers player in the game.
Certain sections of a fanbase latch on to a player and seemingly do not see the positives, but are all too quick to jump on them for any negatives.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.
I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.
If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.
I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.
Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.
I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!
So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.
So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.
You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?
I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?
I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
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I think I was the first person on this thread to suggest replacing Sheaf with Coppinger and I stand by it - I think he’s underperforming compared to how he was playing earlier in the season, and given Gomes has improved we now have options and Sheaf shouldn’t be an automatic pick when he’s below par. Nor should he be immune to criticism for giving the ball away far more than he should be just because he’s a young lad.
That said he shouldn’t be barracked from the stands, that’s not constructive and depending on his personality could be very detrimental. I’ve not heard it myself (my last game was Wimbledon) and if he is picked tomorrow I hope I don’t hear it this weekend.
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I’ve not heard anyone have a go at him all season either home or away. He has a great deal of potential but the key now is to get a run going. If we can build on the Peterborough game and have a confident team that will help all of our younger players.
Different players suit different games and tomorrow is going to be against a team who will be tough to break down. To do that we need our best passers on the pitch.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.
I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.
If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.
I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.
Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.
I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!
So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.
So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.
You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?
I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?
I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?
Wow! Look 5 On Tour, my point was very simple which you have managed to make very confusing. I am not interested in you, who DM picks in the next game, whether Coppinger plays or not. I am only interested in your choice of words on this forum to describe one of our own players . In my opinion, calling one of your own young players "appalling" or "awful" on a public fans forum is way over the top, very harsh and unnecessary.
We are clearly never going to agree, our opinions differ, but should you decide to respond again, I won't be replying.
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No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.
Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?
Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.
So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.
I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.
If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.
I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.
Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.
I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!
So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.
So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.
You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?
I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?
I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?
Wow! Look 5 On Tour, my point was very simple which you have managed to make very confusing. I am not interested in you, who DM picks in the next game, whether Coppinger plays or not. I am only interested in your choice of words on this forum to describe one of our own players . In my opinion, calling one of your own young players "appalling" or "awful" on a public fans forum is way over the top, very harsh and unnecessary.
We are clearly never going to agree, our opinions differ, but should you decide to respond again, I won't be replying.
Don’t respond then as you don’t read anyway. His passing was appalling in the first half. Not him as a player. Not him as a person. For one half his passing was poor. We couldn’t agree on anything as you don’t even read what someone says. I never once called Ben Sheaf awful or appalling. I stated his passing for one half of football was. Jeez. Bet you’re fun at parties aren’t you?
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I’ve not heard anyone have a go at him all season either home or away. He has a great deal of potential but the key now is to get a run going. If we can build on the Peterborough game and have a confident team that will help all of our younger players.
Different players suit different games and tomorrow is going to be against a team who will be tough to break down. To do that we need our best passers on the pitch.
If you have not heard it fair enough, but that does not mean it doesn't happen. However RoversAlias has already commented just a few posts back on this thread that he also heard it on Thursday as well.
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The Sunderland forum are organising a protest against their owners tomorrow and they’re not too happy with the manager too.
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If Ozturk and whoever plays alongside him, are as physical as him and Dunne were at Sunderland last season defending their own penalty area, then Ennis or whoever is going to be in a far different game down the middle of the park than they were at Peterborough.
Right from the start of the game they were man handling Marquis from behind, in some cases throwing him to the floor, their first goal resulting from a tackle that took him completely out on the edge of their box, and were checking the start of his runs by grabbing or tripping him.
We may need a strong referee for this game, although I think we are more than a match for them football wise, and are not the push overs we were earlier in the season with the ruff stuff, Peterborough tried that in the second half and were matched up.
As for Sheaf, I think he can be a great player, and probably sees a pass earlier than some of our other players, and has a tendency to under hit the pass because of it, has a tackle in him and is good defensively in the air, and will probably get a couple of goals once he gets one, being unlucky up to press this season.
Sunderland can't be any great shakes, I am again going for a sneaky 2-1 win, but expect it to be a squad game with us making substitutions in a physical game in which Thomas may have to come into.
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Dont forget the Ozturk wrestle on Andy Butler for about 8 yards in Penalty area. Penalty all day long
We havnt got a good Ref because I dont think Drysdale will have improved any.
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Well, the good news is with Gomes showing his worth, Ennis, John, Wright returning to full match fitness, DM has good options to choose from. In any good team, nobody has a divine right to a shirt so we should be pleased there's good competition as it should raise the bar performance wise.
I too think Sheaf has been getting a bum rap from some fans. He is a good player and will improve as his development continues. He's hardly missed a minutes football and maybe he deserves a break but DM knows best. I trust DM to pick the best team for the job tomorrow, even if that means Copps on the bench. It will be good to look at the team sheet and have confidence in every name on it!
Tomorrow is important to back up our result at Peterborough to reestablish our credentials as contenders for promotion. That would apply no matter who the opponents are but it just happens to be Sunderland who stand in our way.
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Well, if you look at the stature of the substitutes in the game at Sunderland last season in a physical encounter, Ali Crawford, Tyler Smith, and Alfie May, they were not going to ruffle many feathers in a rough against a couple of giants.
In the last few games we have been looking like we are getting our tempo to the games back, playing it quicker through the thirds going forward in midfield, and playing more positive passes which gives our forwards more opportunities.
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Ref Change
“NEWS | Carl Boyeson will be the referee in charge of Sunday's Sky Bet League One game against Sunderland, replacing Darren Drysdale who was originally down for the fixture.”
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
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Sheaf had a poor game vs MK Dons..
I think he is very talented and overall has been great for us, but any player can underperform occasionally..
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One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.
why .... change a winning team . ?
because Copps is the best player we have at 38
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DM should pick the side he thinks best will win against this opposition. That may mean no changes, but I wouldn’t be surprised to be Copps start..
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you? You have had quite a few pops at me this last week or so.
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
Surely i am allowed to criticise people who i think are giving out criticism which i feel is unwarranted.
Doesn’t mean they are not entitled to their opinion and i have never ever said that.
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you?
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you?
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Ok :thumbsup:
I did say Bingham, May and Thomas are not good enough for league 1 and i don’t think there are too many people that would disagree with me.
Depends how many we get in Jan as to whether we keep Thomas and use him as a different option off the bench if required.
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you? You have had quite a few pops at me this last week or so.
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
Surely i am allowed to criticise people who i think are giving out criticism which i feel is unwarranted.
Doesn’t mean they are not entitled to their opinion and i have never ever said that.
Paul you do jump on people from a great hight, when they say something about a player club director or even the tea lady, just let them have there say even if it is nor what you agree with them, after all it is there option.
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you?
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Ok :thumbsup:
I did say Bingham, May and Thomas are not good enough for league 1 and i don’t think there are too many people that would disagree with me.
Depends how many we get in Jan as to whether we keep Thomas and use him as a different option off the bench if required.
May is worth it just for his response to the “Alfie what’s the score” chant at Peterborough. 😂
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Back at the ranch. Should we expect a good attendance tomorrow? Holidays, decent weather, good away following, good result at Posh. What do we reckon, about 11,000?
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There should be at least 11000 with at least 7000 us and there sellout
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Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4
He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.
For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.
With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.
If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.
Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.
hound have i done something to upset you?
What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.
No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Ok :thumbsup:
I did say Bingham, May and Thomas are not good enough for league 1 and i don’t think there are too many people that would disagree with me.
Depends how many we get in Jan as to whether we keep Thomas and use him as a different option off the bench if required.
May is worth it just for his response to the “Alfie what’s the score” chant at Peterborough. 😂
I wasn’t at the game mate, what did Alfie do?
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They have not scored an away goal in open play in the league since 14 September.
Sshh. What are you doing CBcb
Not due an away goal (hopefully) until Jan 1st. ;) ;) ;)
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Huge game today. A massive opportunity to show our credentials as prospective play off contenders.
We need to keep up the standards set at London Road. It’s not easy to do week in week out. It is the teams that produce that consistency most often that finish at the top end of the league.
We play Sunderland at a good time as the manager & team are under huge pressure.
Nothing less than promotion will suffice for them this season and their current form suggests they at present are a very long way from achieving their objective.
It’s important we score first and not give them a sniff of getting any momentum in the game and boosting their confidence.
Should be a tremendous atmosphere and i hope 8.000 Rovers fans turn up today to negate the noise from 4.000 Mackhams.
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2 coach loads of mackems just turned up at skellow grange for a pre match drink
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2 coach loads of mackems just turned up at skellow grange for a pre match drink
That’s about 3 hours drinking time.
What state will they be in by 1-30/2-0pm.
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Lol they made need a drink way they are playing
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Lol they made need a drink why they are playing
Reading that, are you with them Vic? 😂
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No watching cricket :ohmy:
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I think we may have a problem with tennis balls on the pitch by the sound of it in protest to their club.
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From what I gather and watching the extended highlights of the Sunderland vs Bolton game, Phil Parkinson had set his team up all wrong and was to worried about losing than actually pushing on to win the game. Hopefully some Copps magic can unlock the door today.
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Pubs in town only letting away fans in again. Happens every time visitors bring a big following. A joke really.
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Pubs in town only letting away fans in again. Happens every time visitors bring a big following. A joke really.
Makes you wonder who’s town it is
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Anybody would find it difficult to argue against the best team won today, we were second best all the game, Sunderland looking a very good side to me, as I didn't think we played that bad, just met a better side on the day.
While in games like that you cannot give goals away like their first goal. There is no way Sunderland would score that goal against Accrington, one of their players would have kicked the ball away, and then stood directly in front of it until their defence was organised. Not Ennis chunter at the Referee, take your eye off the ball, stand on the touchline side and let the taker pass inside to a player with a free 20 yard run to the edge of the box and bingo goal.
Dieng pulled off a wonder save, and they hit the bar with him well beaten, and we also had chances Taylors full pitch run down the middle, and Sadlier with a header he nearly got to could have resulted in us scoring, so the game was a decent one to watch, the away fans really getting behind Sunderland, on today's display they are as good a side as we have played all season, and as usual we look to have got a side on a bad run out of it.
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The most concerning thing today was every second ball was picked up by a Sunderland player
And they presssd and harried us all over the pitch whereas our work rate levels weren’t anywhere near where they need to be
It’s forgivable to lose games especially by a better side but work and effort should never be lacking
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The most concerning thing today was every second ball was picked up by a Sunderland player
And they presssd and harried us all over the pitch whereas our work rate levels weren’t anywhere near where they need to be
It’s forgivable to lose games especially by a better side but work and effort should never be lacking
I agree with this. Dieng, Taylor and Halliday (he was pulled down for their goal) and perhaps Anderson were only players who really looked the part.
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Anybody would find it difficult to argue against the best team won today, we were second best all the game, Sunderland looking a very good side to me, as I didn't think we played that bad, just met a better side on the day.
Seriously you can't have been to the Keepmoat today if that's your opinion.
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The most concerning thing today was every second ball was picked up by a Sunderland player
And they presssd and harried us all over the pitch whereas our work rate levels weren’t anywhere near where they need to be
It’s forgivable to lose games especially by a better side but work and effort should never be lacking
Agreed. Dieng, Taylor, Anderson and Halliday were the only players who looked to be properly up for it today.
I didn’t think they were that good tbh it’s just that we were quite poor. Too many mistakes, losing the ball and possession, and just not getting into them enough to make them wobble.
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It’s unbelievable to think they hadn’t scored an away goal under Parkinson before today
They created 4 or 5 very good chances
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RedRover, you are entitled to your opinion, I happen to think for our level ( the third level) that was a good well contested game, with two sides trying to win the game, not just pinch it, and on the day they were better than us.
Myself I would have started Thomas, as the two games last season told me they are very physical especially in central defence, and prefer Sheaf to Gomes, Others disagreed with me after the Peterborough game.
Having said that I think we would have beaten most teams we have played this season today, just came up against a team that had something to prove, and on the day probably played as well as they have all season.
If we had played Wright and Anderson in the last ten games we would be at least five points better off, if not more.My opinion of course, you are entitled to yours.
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RedRover, you are entitled to your opinion, I happen to think for our level ( the third level) that was a good well contested game, with two sides trying to win the game, not just pinch it, and on the day they were better than us.
Myself I would have started Thomas, as the two games last season told me they are very physical especially in central defence, and prefer Sheaf to Gomes, Others disagreed with me after the Peterborough game.
Having said that I think we would have beaten most teams we have played this season today, just came up against a team that had something to prove, and on the day probably played as well as they have all season.
If we had played Wright and Anderson in the last ten games we would be at least five points better off, if not more.My opinion of course, you are entitled to yours.
Don’t always agree with Brian but yes we came across a Sunderland team who had a point to prove.
The knives were out for Parkinson before the match. He got his team fired up and yes I doubt they have played better than that all season. They may have been 15th in the league but they played like a team in the top 3/4.
We didn’t play badly, yes not as good as on Thursday but DF messed up with his tactical plan and gave us freedom on the flanks which they had no answer to. Also our midfield 3 of Whiteman, Gomes & Sheaf in a role at the front of the 3 which worked a treat. We dominated the ball.
Sunderland never gave us any space to play, closed us down with a solid press and forced us to go long when we wanted to play short.
Credit Sunderland if they play with that intensity every week they will reach the play offs.
Obviously they have not been playing like that in the last 2/3 months.
Credit where credit is due. THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO TEAMS PLAYING.
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Moore got his tactics wrong today which of course can happen but then the worrying thing was when he could see it was all going wrong he didn’t do anything about it
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Maybe Sheaf wasn’t 100% fit.
What was he supposed to do. Who else on the bench would have changed it.
It’s easy sat here but the reality is he didn’t have any game changing players on the bench.
Maybe we will in a couple of weeks.
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RedRover, you are entitled to your opinion, I happen to think for our level ( the third level) that was a good well contested game, with two sides trying to win the game, not just pinch it, and on the day they were better than us.
Myself I would have started Thomas, as the two games last season told me they are very physical especially in central defence, and prefer Sheaf to Gomes, Others disagreed with me after the Peterborough game.
Having said that I think we would have beaten most teams we have played this season today, just came up against a team that had something to prove, and on the day probably played as well as they have all season.
If we had played Wright and Anderson in the last ten games we would be at least five points better off, if not more.My opinion of course, you are entitled to yours.
Got to agree there Selby !
Great (or grate) game depending on who you supported. They did a number on us but of course we assisted with the short play from the Goal Kicks. Also Ref was wildly inconsistent
Sheaf v Gomes not really one to ponder on. Sheaf is better than Gomes now and will be destined for a long career probably somewhere better than us. I never slag our players off and I wont start now but Sheaf is / will be better than Madger G now / in the future
I also think Thomas was a more physical presence but against those two Centre Backs he still would have struggled but he could have worn them down then Ennis could have been unleashed
How the hell have they not been beating "the likes of Teams" ? Obviously they have not been playing like that surely. On the other hand though we "only played as well as the opposition let us" we would have beaten 7 out of 10 teams
I am pig sick because again they did a number on us - and once again we kick started someones season - not scored recently - play us - cant win away - play us.
Entertaining game and pity we didnt get to sing "Sacked in the morning"
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Maybe Sheaf wasn’t 100% fit.
What was he supposed to do. Who else on the bench would have changed it.
It’s easy sat here but the reality is he didn’t have any game change
Ears on the bench.
Maybe we will in a couple of weeks.
As I said on another thread Campsall, we don’t have enough depth in the squad.
That is why we struggle when we have injuries (all teams get injuries) and the odd suspension.
That is why we are mid table and unlikely to be better than that this season.
For us to challenge at a higher level we have to bring in three or four players who are good enough to be regular staters.
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Maybe Sheaf wasn’t 100% fit.
What was he supposed to do. Who else on the bench would have changed it.
It’s easy sat here but the reality is he didn’t have any game change
Ears on the bench.
Maybe we will in a couple of weeks.
I’m sure there were plenty of Ears on the bench 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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It doesn't matter who we sign Filo. there are only so many seats in the dug out, so we can't increase the number of ears.
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Maybe Sheaf wasn’t 100% fit.
What was he supposed to do. Who else on the bench would have changed it.
It’s easy sat here but the reality is he didn’t have any game change
Ears on the bench.
Maybe we will in a couple of weeks.
I’m sure there were plenty of Ears on the bench 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Changed it Filo thanks. :facepalm: