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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: MachoMadness on February 12, 2020, 06:11:36 pm
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Definitely worth a read, this: https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moores-message-seny-dieng-after-goalkeepers-costly-error-doncaster-rovers-clash-bolton-wanderers-1512821
It gives you a glimpse into how Moore's man management works behind the scenes. His interviews around transfers are frustrating but when he gets onto a subject he can talk about he's amazing. Proper genuine, insightful bloke. We've got a good one here.
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Moore seems to have loads of class as a manager. I never really got the same feeling about Dicov, Saunders or Ferguson.
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Love that, class 👌
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He manages to avoid negative or destructive comments ..even about crap referees without sounding in the slightest condescending nor patronising .A real genuine bloke .
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If Ferguson was manager I doubt we would see Dieng play again.
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Moore seems to have loads of class as a manager. I never really got the same feeling about Dicov, Saunders or Ferguson.
I’d go a bit further and say Moore has loads of class as a human being.
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Quality
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Moore seems to have loads of class as a manager. I never really got the same feeling about Dicov, Saunders or Ferguson.
I’d go a bit further and say Moore has loads of class as a human being.
Fully agree. I was trying to keep it as a fair comparison. Start comparing them as a whole, against Moore, and you're into the realms of chalk and cheese.
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Tbf thought it was a underweighted back pass aswell
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It was.
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Dieng has always frightened me with his penchant for playing with the ball at his feet, but for the one mistake he makes up for it big time in the way he deals with crosses, and no mean shot stopper either.
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Short back pass, and Dieng uses footwork to keep it away from one player only to set up the second..
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Yes it was a mistake by Dieng last night, but I felt the reason he didn’t come and try to just boot it out is that he didn’t want to fly in and catch their player for a penalty, or allow them to block it and it spin into the net. He was slightly between a rock and a hard place because the backpass was so weak.
Overall he’s a very good GK and Moore is right to back him here.
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Brilliant manager!!! We are very lucky to have big Daz and big Dieng for that matter imo. We all make mistakes, it’s how we learn from them that matters I feel. ⚽️😀
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Darren Moore is a class act, both as a manager and as a human being. I hear it every time I listen to his interviews talking about the games. Yes he can be coy and use cliches when trying not to divulge sensitive info (transfers mainly) but as Macho says, when he gets onto a topic he can freely discuss and is passionate about it can be eye-opening. I really hope he stays for years to come.
Last night was the first time Dieng really has cocked up for us. Two errors in that goal, one the erroneous throw out that came straight back and then failing to just boot it when Sheaf played the underhit backpass. But he is so assured at catching, he is a good shot stopper and his composure makes a big difference. Darren will see him right and I'm sure he will be back to his best going forward.
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If we're going to play football all over the pitch then his attitude is exactly what we need to eventually get it right. Stick with players despite mistakes so long as they show they learn from it. Only a few seasons ago Liverpool would concede bizarre goals by playing around or been over attacking but Klopp never criticised or changed only encourage and now they are probably the best side i've ever seen.
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Short back pass, and Dieng uses footwork to keep it away from one player only to set up the second..
I think he actually beat 3 Lincoln players at Keepmoat in that Leasing Trophy all in or just over 6 yrd box. That one came off but last nights didnt
The pass out was off target but when we got it back the back pass was as others noticed very short. A bit more pace and he could have hoofed it clear
At least the mistake(s) sorted out my long fingernails that I had been meaning to cut
Onwards and upwards - Keepers make mistakes and often dont get away with it - strikers miss open goals and the chances are often forgotten
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Not only is Dieng a great keeper he's also one of the best passers of the ball we've got! The odd mistake is well worth his contribution to the team.
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The mistake was Sheif’s short back pass, Dieng had two options hoof it or try and play out of if he hoofed it there was a good chance it would rebound off the attacker who was on top of him, so he chose to try and play out of it and it fell into the path of the other attacker. We’ll forgive him though, he’s been superb all season
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For me the best keeper since sulli, if not better.... IMO
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The only part of the interview I don’t like is the fact darron is bigging him up to much and bigger clubs will see this and poach him think we should keep him out the media and try and poach him in the summer under the raidar
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Anton, he’s on loan until the end of the season then we take it from there. So in the meantime, no one is going to poach him. Chill Anton, all is well.
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I don't actually blame Dieng it was a very weak back pass and left him a bit stranded
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The only part of the interview I don’t like is the fact darron is bigging him up to much and bigger clubs will see this and poach him think we should keep him out the media and try and poach him in the summer under the raidar
Nobody who has Dieng on their radar is going to decide to bid for him based on Darren's interviews. If he talks him up in the press, Dieng might hear it and gain confidence. A team wanting him will go for him based on their extensive scouting report of his performances, and he will already be on their radar.
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I think that even though the back pass was under hit there was still time for Dieng to knock it sideways for a throw in.
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Yes, it was an underhit backpass but it was Dieng's mistake but, he's human just like everyone else. You could see his reaction. Did he lambast Halliday? No he didn't because it's a team game, mistakes happen, it's a shared responsibility.
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Yes, it was an underhit backpass but it was Dieng's mistake but, he's human just like everyone else. You could see his reaction. Did he lambast Halliday? No he didn't because it's a team game, mistakes happen, it's a shared responsibility.
That’s because it wasn’t Halliday back pass, it was Sheafs.
It was a terrible back pass and Dieng was caught out also, it happens and we won so who really cares. As long as we learn from it.
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At the end of the day if the players and manager can forgive each other and just get on with it then so should the fans.
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Yes, it was an underhit backpass but it was Dieng's mistake but, he's human just like everyone else. You could see his reaction. Did he lambast Halliday? No he didn't because it's a team game, mistakes happen, it's a shared responsibility.
That’s because it wasn’t Halliday back pass, it was Sheafs.
It was a terrible back pass and Dieng was caught out also, it happens and we won so who really cares. As long as we learn from it.
Sorry, yes Sheaf!
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I think the learning to be had for that goal is 95% Sheaf's. Filo correctly makes the point that to try knocking it out ran the risk that the player closing him down would block and rebound it into the net. Dieng was sold a pup with that pass and I'm not lambasting Sheaf, close behind Sadlier he was my man of the match up to that point.
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Just heard dm on the radio sheff interview, he almost raised his voice in his defence if dieng, cracking to hear, a keepers role is so confidence based, if sonny hears it, he will have no doubt DM has his back..
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I think the learning to be had for that goal is 95% Sheaf's. Filo correctly makes the point that to try knocking it out ran the risk that the player closing him down would block and rebound it into the net. Dieng was sold a pup with that pass and I'm not lambasting Sheaf, close behind Sadlier he was my man of the match up to that point.
He could have let it go under his foot for a corner or played to his right to give away a throw in. He gave the ball away from his throw as well so more than 5% blame for me.
Luckily at the end of the day it didn't cost us but I'm sure that him and Sheaf and maybe other players discussed it after the game.
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Sheaf was only even in the situation of having the ball facing his own goal because of Dieng's misjudged throw out to Halliday though. He should have read that there were too many Bolton players in the vicinity, and he definitely should not have tried a Cruyff turn with two Bolton players right on him near his goal.
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Sheaf was only even in the situation of having the ball facing his own goal because of Dieng's misjudged throw out to Halliday though. He should have read that there were too many Bolton players in the vicinity, and he definitely should not have tried a Cruyff turn with two Bolton players right on him near his goal.
Agree with this - Dieng had better options than to try a trick - hopefully he will learn from it.
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I can remember Dieng doing a similar thing in an earlier match (can’t remember who it was against) when he was being closed down after a back pass.
He did a great drag back and fooled the attacker.
The crowd cheered and enjoyed the moment.
I fully expect him to do it again at some time.
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This one was a fail because there was a second attacker who you think Dieng didn’t see..!
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I can remember Dieng doing a similar thing in an earlier match (can’t remember who it was against) when he was being closed down after a back pass.
He did a great drag back and fooled the attacker.
The crowd cheered and enjoyed the moment.
I fully expect him to do it again at some time.
Yes I cant remember who that was against but I remember it well
Also as I mentioned above in the Lincoln Leasing Cup I am syre he beat 3 of them inside the Penalty area. I couldnt believe what I saw (PS I once confused Mark McCammon and Gareth Taylor at Huddersfield when Taylor scored and I thought it was MM - so as an eye witness I am suspect :lol: )
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I don't actually blame Dieng it was a very weak back pass and left him a bit stranded
It was a bit short but dieng had plenty of chance to put his foot through it.
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There was a few mistakes in a small period of time. The blame isn't solely Diengs or Sheafs.
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It was a daft throw out that caused it all.
Especially when we were 2-0 up
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Not daft, more misplaced..
Throwing out to Halliday has been effective mostly.
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Dieng has always frightened me with his penchant for playing with the ball at his feet, but for the one mistake he makes up for it big time in the way he deals with crosses, and no mean shot stopper either.
frightened you???i think he could play in midfield for us,has great feet and always looks as though as loads of time on the ball
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I can remember Dieng doing a similar thing in an earlier match (can’t remember who it was against) when he was being closed down after a back pass.
He did a great drag back and fooled the attacker.
The crowd cheered and enjoyed the moment.
I fully expect him to do it again at some time.
It was against Oxford that I remember him doing it.
He left the attacker bamboozled and played a square pass to James along the line if I remember right.
Any outfield player would have been proud of that skill.
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Not daft, more misplaced..
Throwing out to Halliday has been effective mostly.
It was just never going to happen he tried to bend it around one of their players. Maybe if we’re chasing a game but not when we’re 2-0 up
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However had it reached Halliday, headed into midfield, swept out to Sadlier and crossed for an onrushing ennis to bury into the net, we would still be talking about that now..
Fine margins, and in this case it fell on the wrong side and led to a sequence of errors..
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It wouldn’t have reached him though, almost impossible. And that’s definitely more the issue than what happened after that
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Dieng has always frightened me with his penchant for playing with the ball at his feet, but for the one mistake he makes up for it big time in the way he deals with crosses, and no mean shot stopper either.
frightened you???i think he could play in midfield for us,has great feet and always looks as though as loads of time on the ball
. as a teenager he was a midfielder with a swiss academy side, before he moved to being a keeper, hence the excellent feet..
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I had a similar experience playing in the Doncaster Sunday league years ago, our midfielder under pressure gave me an horrendous back pass to deal with, I had no option but to attempt a Cruyff turn, unfortunately I was still half drunk from Saturday night and managed to get the ball trapped between my legs and fell over the ball. The striker tapped into an empty net, my team mates and manager weren't as supportive as DM and needless to say I got plenty of stick in the boozer after!