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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Donnywolf on April 29, 2020, 07:24:41 am
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I fully expect that people will actually be paid soon to take Tests just so we reach 100000 by tomorrow so what better way than to pay people to take them ! Its the next big thing
Seriously though - its a problem made by the Govt themselves saying we are ramping up testing to 100000 by .... and then they are falling over themselves to comply when maybe (I am guessing) they could be diverting their energies elsewhere
What it will mean I am guessing again is that all this big opening up of testing to more and more people is that the Govt will reach its target of 100000 but that people who really need them will still not get them .
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And there’ll also be so much focus and emphasis on it if they don’t hit 100k
What if they get 98k tomorrow??
Me, I’d take that as bloody good considering I didn’t think they’d get anywhere near it a week ago but you just watch the media clambering over themselves to tear shreds a off the Govt for not get the 100k
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If they don'tmake it so what? The media will be all over it like a rash if the fail tomorrow and then what - nothing!
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And there’ll also be so much focus and emphasis on it if they don’t hit 100k
What if they get 98k tomorrow??
Me, I’d take that as bloody good considering I didn’t think they’d get anywhere near it a week ago but you just watch the media clambering over themselves to tear shreds a off the Govt for not get the 100k
If they hit anything near to 98K tomorrow I'd call that a major success.
Unfortunately there will be a part of me that would doubt the validity of the figure, but maybe I'm just cynical.
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In some ways it doesn’t matter if the expanded testing might be misdirected - to inflate the numbers to make the government look better - as more testing is always a good thing.
Good, but could be better perhaps.
The issue is why weren’t we able to test to this extent several weeks ago.?
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Unprepared I believe if you believe the Panorama Prog ?
Apparantly way way behiind with any stockpiles of Swabs Testing Kits and of course the PPE but now we have the Capacity v Testing sideshow
Hancock apparantly given easy ride this morning on BBC again when suggesting his initial target was to have the capacity to test 100000 whereas I am sure he said we would have 100000 tests done per day
Morgan on Good Morgan on ITV (catchy name) called him out as a liar and said Hancock said 100000 TESTS not the opportunity to carry out 100000 tests per day. Hancock was due on but did not show but Morgan said he looked forward to asking him when they next had him on
Unfortunately I just read (was it true) that residents in Dorset Care Home had to visit Gatwick for their tests so hardly ideal. Bloke from Lincoln came to Keepmoat test with a 12 noon test and was seen at 17.30 - so the situation is far from ideal.
So people in Care Homes wherever they are have to maybe leave where they work thus leaving their "patients" to spend hours getting tested . Is it beyond our capabilty to have a mobile test centre(s) to arrive say in Thorne and visit the carers and give them results in a day or two and repeat as necessary ?
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Unprepared I believe if you believe the Panorama Prog ?
Apparantly way way behiind with any stockpiles of Swabs Testing Kits and of course the PPE but now we have the Capacity v Testing sideshow
Hancock apparantly given easy ride this morning on BBC again when suggesting his initial target was to have the capacity to test 100000 whereas I am sure he said we would have 100000 tests done per day
Morgan on Good Morgan on ITV (catchy name) called him out as a liar and said Hancock said 100000 TESTS not the opportunity to carry out 100000 tests per day. Hancock was due on but did not show but Morgan said he looked forward to asking him when they next had him on
Unfortunately I just read (was it true) that residents in Dorset Care Home had to visit Gatwick for their tests so hardly ideal. Bloke from Lincoln came to Keepmoat test with a 12 noon test and was seen at 17.30 - so the situation is far from ideal.
So people in Care Homes wherever they are have to maybe leave where they work thus leaving their "patients" to spend hours getting tested . Is it beyond our capabilty to have a mobile test centre(s) to arrive say in Thorne and visit the carers and give them results in a day or two and repeat as necessary ?
You do realise how many Care Homes there are wolfy? A logistical nightmare doing it that way.
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National Pathology Programme
You would think this system should have been able to help, there was plenty of warning.
''Digital First comes at a key time for the NHS,
which treats around one million people every 36
hours. One quarter of the population (just over
15 million people) has a long term condition such
as diabetes, depression, dementia or high blood
pressure - accounting for fifty per cent of all GP
appointments and seventy per cent of days in
hospital. The number of older people likely to
require care is predicted to rise by over 60 per
cent by 2030. Hospital treatment for over 75s has
increased by 65 per cent over the past decade and
someone over 85 is 25 time more likely to spend a
day in hospital than those under 65. This increased
demand comes at a time of financial pressure,
where modelling shows that continuing with the
current model of care will lead to a funding gap of
around thirty billion pounds between 2013/14 and
2020/21.(1)''
https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pathol-dig-first.pdf
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On the subject of care Homes, when my father was taken ill he spent time in a hospice until assessed and going into a private care home for which he was charged according to his finances savings and the value of his home.
The fees are substantial my friend paying over a £250,000 over time that was raised by the sale of his parents house.
Others in the same situation are funded by the state if their circumstances are such that they cannot fund themselves, but still at a substantial rate a month. I have no problem with that at all care should be provided in old age.
The point is they are private companies, who do in most cases provide a great service, certainly I was very happy with the way my father was looked after. But surely the companies that own the business should be responsible for the provision of the equipment (PPE) to their staff and it's supply.
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And there’ll also be so much focus and emphasis on it if they don’t hit 100k
What if they get 98k tomorrow??
Me, I’d take that as bloody good considering I didn’t think they’d get anywhere near it a week ago but you just watch the media clambering over themselves to tear shreds a off the Govt for not get the 100k
If they get to 98k, that would be a very good outcome.
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And there’ll also be so much focus and emphasis on it if they don’t hit 100k
What if they get 98k tomorrow??
Me, I’d take that as bloody good considering I didn’t think they’d get anywhere near it a week ago but you just watch the media clambering over themselves to tear shreds a off the Govt for not get the 100k
If they get to 98k, that would be a very good outcome.
I agree but you can bet the media would focus on the fact that it’s 2k short of the target and go to town on that rather than focusing on the achievement.
That being said, I’m still not confident they’ll get that close to it anyway but hope to be pleasantly surprised.
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Unprepared I believe if you believe the Panorama Prog ?
Apparantly way way behiind with any stockpiles of Swabs Testing Kits and of course the PPE but now we have the Capacity v Testing sideshow
Hancock apparantly given easy ride this morning on BBC again when suggesting his initial target was to have the capacity to test 100000 whereas I am sure he said we would have 100000 tests done per day
Morgan on Good Morgan on ITV (catchy name) called him out as a liar and said Hancock said 100000 TESTS not the opportunity to carry out 100000 tests per day. Hancock was due on but did not show but Morgan said he looked forward to asking him when they next had him on
Unfortunately I just read (was it true) that residents in Dorset Care Home had to visit Gatwick for their tests so hardly ideal. Bloke from Lincoln came to Keepmoat test with a 12 noon test and was seen at 17.30 - so the situation is far from ideal.
So people in Care Homes wherever they are have to maybe leave where they work thus leaving their "patients" to spend hours getting tested . Is it beyond our capabilty to have a mobile test centre(s) to arrive say in Thorne and visit the carers and give them results in a day or two and repeat as necessary ?
You do realise how many Care Homes there are wolfy? A logistical nightmare doing it that way.
Yes - I started listing just the ones in Thorne and kept adding them one by one. Probably 10 at least and its not going to be a total shock if the deaths there (in Care Homes ntionwide) do eclipse that of those in Hospital
Hope not and just wish they could "solve" the logistical nightmare somehow because the residents and staff are so vulnerable.
If one or more of my Parents or In laws were alive I couldnt leave one / all of them so exposed.
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Between two weeks and ten days ago the nursing home opposite was a hive of activity. Ambulances, funeral directors and the coroner's van a couple of times. This has now slowed right down thankfully.
A friend in her 80s lives near us. I did her garden last week and she had just got out of hospital after a fall and tested clear. She went back in on Sunday evening and is now rumoured to be positive.
I hope she isn't because with her heart condition and bad chest she will never make it.
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And there’ll also be so much focus and emphasis on it if they don’t hit 100k
What if they get 98k tomorrow??
Me, I’d take that as bloody good considering I didn’t think they’d get anywhere near it a week ago but you just watch the media clambering over themselves to tear shreds a off the Govt for not get the 100k
If they hit anything near to 98K tomorrow I'd call that a major success.
Unfortunately there will be a part of me that would doubt the validity of the figure, but maybe I'm just cynical.
Do they take a swab from the nose and the throat per person? So thats 2 tests by their accounting method
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It is very obvious that the 100,000 tests per day isn’t going to be met and as DW suggested, the media will be all over that today.
Apparently the BBC is the governments puppet according to some vsc posters but even the bbc is all over it this morning.
Irrespective of how many tests per day get done though, as people start to bang the drum to end or relax the lockdown, how can we feel safe going out in public anyway.
Someone could have a test today, be found to be negative, then be happy to go about their business in public.
They could then catch the virus in the next few days and infect other people.
If that happens multiple times then we just go back to where we were a few weeks ago don’t we.
Will there be a limit on how many tests a person can have.
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It was the BBC who aired the panorama programme wasn’t it.?
I wouldn’t label them as the government’s puppet at all.
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The bbc news programmes have been hammered on here for some time now.
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They don’t always ask pressing questions, agreed, but they do report the factual information..
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It was the BBC who aired the panorama programme wasn’t it.?
I wouldn’t label them as the government’s puppet at all.
I have stopped watching their News and current affairs because I realised quite recently that they are going easy on the Government.
The moment I came to that conclusion was the Election Debate when a Johnson clip was altered by the BBC and it distorted the whole "feeling"
I saw it live on one evening and did not see the repeat till next morning. I was stunned because I said to Mrs DW I am sure the audience was in fits of laughter and I went back to recording and there it was.
I was going to explain what happened but this is the first thing I found when I searched just now which "will do". Sorry I think the Beeb have lost my trust. I thought they were straight and upstanding and could be relied on but in my opinion they are not any more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5cSq_iRlDQ
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The bbc news programmes have been hammered on here for some time now.
It's relative, the BBC is infinitely better than the sun, the mail, the telegraph ..................................
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The bbc news programmes have been hammered on here for some time now.
It's relative, the BBC is infinitely better than the sun, the mail, the telegraph ..................................
Maybe SR, but that doesn’t change my point.
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Remind me what your point was hound?
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Remind me what your point was hound?
:facepalm:
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It is very obvious that the 100,000 tests per day isn’t going to be met and as DW suggested, the media will be all over that today.
Apparently the BBC is the governments puppet according to some vsc posters but even the bbc is all over it this morning.
Irrespective of how many tests per day get done though, as people start to bang the drum to end or relax the lockdown, how can we feel safe going out in public anyway.
Someone could have a test today, be found to be negative, then be happy to go about their business in public.
They could then catch the virus in the next few days and infect other people.
If that happens multiple times then we just go back to where we were a few weeks ago don’t we.
Will there be a limit on how many tests a person can have.
I find it interesting that no one is offering any opinions on my above post.
So many experts on the forum but no proposed answers to a couple of my questions.
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No expert here Hound and nothing really to add to your point which I largely agree with.
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No expert here Hound and nothing really to add to your point which I largely agree with.
Cheers bfyp.
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The ones that suffer the most when targets aren't met are the ones being treated or most at risk.
Surely a minister or spokesman would ask the ones in the know what is realistic and achievable rather than pluck a figure out of thin air. Saying that you hope to achieve a realistic figure is forgive able if you don't quite make it. Should you go for a headline grabbing total and fail spectacularly then you are there to be shot at.
Surely this is the same for any party?
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Idler, I agree with all of that.
Do you think that Hancock gave the 100,000 figure based on the advice he was given?
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Possibly but if I was going on national TV and all of the other news media I would be asking more than once of my advisors just how attainable the figures were. I would then say in my briefing that it was felt that X amount was a realistic figure. Why gauruntee a figure that you have no control over?
People will forgive to an extent if your figure is realistic and almost achieved. When it is unachievable and misses by a mile surely you expect ridicule and criticism?
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Idler, I agree with all of that.
Do you think that Hancock gave the 100,000 figure based on the advice he was given?
I've no idea. Do you think he gave that assurance to the QT audience that the Govt was liaising with supermarkets on getting food delivered to the vulnerable based on advice he was given?
Or that response to a journalist when he insisted that he hadn't promised we'd be at 25,000 tests per day by mid April? Do you think he based that answer on advice he'd been given? (Plot spoiler: He had. We didn't.)
Either the Dept of Health advisers give really, really bad advice which Hancock keeps taking, or Hancock is barely on nodding terms with the truth. Take your pick.
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Possibly but if I was going on national TV and all of the other news media I would be asking more than once of my advisors just how attainable the figures were. I would then say in my briefing that it was felt that X amount was a realistic figure. Why gauruntee a figure that you have no control over?
People will forgive to an extent if your figure is realistic and almost achieved. When it is unachievable and misses by a mile surely you expect ridicule and criticism?
Again, I agree with you idler but I have to wonder whether he did ask those questions.
I am not sure here but I think I might have heard over the last day or two that the capacity for 100,000 tests is in place but not been utilised.
(No doubt that someone will put me right on that if I am mistaken).
I have noticed for sure that Ministers are now not wanting to commit to figures and timescales now and in my opinion, rightly so.
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Idler, I agree with all of that.
Do you think that Hancock gave the 100,000 figure based on the advice he was given?
I've no idea. Do you think he gave that assurance to the QT audience that the Govt was liaising with supermarkets on getting food delivered to the vulnerable based on advice he was given?
Or that response to a journalist when he insisted that he hadn't promised we'd be at 25,000 tests per day by mid April? Do you think he based that answer on advice he'd been given? (Plot spoiler: He had. We didn't.)
Either the Dept of Health advisers give really, really bad advice which Hancock keeps taking, or Hancock is barely on nodding terms with the truth. Take your pick.
.....and I was having such a good conversation with idler.
So you have no idea whether he made the comment based on advice, thanks for being honest.
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Having the facility but asking people to travel a fair distance too take a test weakens that though.
We need as many local testing stations as possible which would not only make it easier but far quicker. The figures would leap up then.
I would agree with you about committing to targets that I couldn't deliver.
Honesty is the best policy.
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Having the facility but asking people to travel a fair distance too take a test weakens that though.
We need as many local testing stations as possible which would not only make it easier but far quicker. The figures would leap up then.
I would agree with you about committing to targets that I couldn't deliver.
Honesty is the best policy.
I was speaking to someone this morning about the testing station at Donny Airport.
I was saying that it would be better situated in the Racecourse car park next to the Whitby’s fish shop.
There is a park and ride car park there that the HNS staff use for transport to the DRI.
There is plenty of room there for testing and it would be much easier for NHS staff to use.
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My sentiments exactly.
There was a fireman from Liverpool who said that he was offered a spot at York,Doncaster and I think the third option was in the Birmingham area.
He said there was a testing station at Haydock, 15 miles away.
How does that work?
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Something wrong with the admin?
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I think it’s done on a website so the computer probably generates results for where tests are available to be booked, so perhaps Haydock was full.?
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Could be IDM, I wonder if there is an option to change the appointment date until a local one becomes available.
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You don't want people driving more than necessary at a time like this though.
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So if we have capacity for 100k tests per day but that requires folk taking a 200 mile round trip, we don't have capacity for 100k tests a day. We have PART of the capacity for 100k tests a day. Not that that really matters when assessing Hancock's credibility, because he assured us with his best stern face on that we would be DOING 100k tests a day by now, not that we'd have some things in place to have the capacity to do them.
On a practical level it doesn't matter if we've hit 100k tests today. What matters is that we expand the testing capacity as quickly as we can and all improvement is welcome.
But this is going to be a bloody long haul and we need to be able to have confidence in the honesty and credibility of official Govt policy. This past two months has not been good on that score.
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Rearrange the following words into an EXTREMELY well known phrase
daily for xyz address to ramping are we up (..... insert whatever they are catching flack for)
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It would be interesting to see how many individuals were tested as opposed to number of tests, as I've already said will the number of tests be based on the individuals tested or the number of swabs per individual?
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The Health Depth publish the data every day of how many tests have been done and how many people tested.
The number of tests has risen dramatically which is good.
The number of people tested has risen less dramatically, which is...well, odd.
26 April
https://mobile.twitter.com/KatieG_81/status/1254471300820672513/photo/1
30 April
https://mobile.twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1255919299555926016
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Thanks BST, how strange more tests than people
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Be interesting to see how the tests and tested people numbers stack up today. Last week, the difference was just a few percent. As you can see from that link, yesterday there were only 2 people tested for every 3 actual tests. Which sounds like a hell of a lot of re-tests.
It's great that we've got capacity now for 100k tests a day but I really do hope they are not just doubling up the tests on some people to hit the 100k actual tests a day target.
PS: In fact, the difference between number of tests and number of people tested yesterday might actually be even bigger than that. In the small print in that tweeted image it says:
"Due to technical issues in the number of [/i]people tested[/i] (my italics - note "people tested" not "tests") for Pillar 1 on 29 April, the daily total reported is larger than the daily total reported on previous days."
That seems to imply that fewer than 54.5k people were tested the day before yesterday.
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Bet they drag some figures forward from today but whether they make it or not it was a problem of their own making.
Johnson stated 25k and Han-cog trumped him and said they would be testing 100000 by the end of the Month and as a layman I would have expected that meant "and each day after" where reasonably practicable
They shouldnt concentrate on fixing this problem (of their own making) but doind something useful like perhaps building on the undoubted success they have presided over which is the envy of Trump sorry most of the World
Trump is too busy lying about how they have tested more than any other Country in the world - the world folks :aok: - and lots of them added together !
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Well no surprise there. 100000 Tests a day reached by the end of April just as Han-cog predicted
Its was an audacious plan (he said) but we finally got there.
However yesterday was the first time they "did it" but the figure included 40000 kits posted out to people to test themselves at home - so hardly "tested" just they have the aility to test themselves and doubtless when they return their tests they will be counted for that day too
He said they would reach 100000 daily by the end of the Month (rather than just on one day) so how will they continue "creatively" reaching that figure.
By the way for those that know me I have been promising to get all 92 Grounds done since I was 18 and have finally done it. I have sent letters to each of the 11 Grounds I have not yet visited asking them to send a ticket for me for one of their upcoming games and sent a photo of me to put in the Seat they allocate - SORTED - I just love to keep my promises
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it's a shame they feel they have to do this, people arn't stupid Wolf in fact they could count how many kits they have available in the warehouse and use that number :)
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What amazes and puzzles me is WHY ? Why do they have to lie - and commit such resource to making sure they meet an arbitary figure.
Its hard for me to explain something profound in writing which I can rationalise in my head easily - but surely if Han-cog had kept his trap shut and opted for "ramping up testing" they could have got on with doing it rather than (for PR purposes I guess) having to react to the 100000 when they could have got on with something that WOULD be helping us forwards
Nope I still failed but at least I now what I mean lol
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Just thought of the old New York murder joke and amended it to suit :
Every minute of the day a person gets tested. And they are now getting really fed up with it
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Well after Han-cog reached his Valhalla with 120000 tests (80000 done 40000 posted out) it then returned to 63000 tests today on 22 people
Well they are lying so I may as well start. Apparantly they now test everyone in their left cheek, right cheek, between the cheeks, right ear, left ear. left nostril and of course right nostril
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63,000 tests on 22 people?
Bloody hell, who did they get to volunteer to have that much stuff put up his nose?
(Enter punchline Cabinet Minister name here.)
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63,000 tests on 22 people?
Bloody hell, who did they get to volunteer to have that much stuff put up his nose?
(Enter punchline Cabinet Minister name here.)
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Michael Gove?
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You may very well think that. I could not possibly comment.
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In Afghanistan they tested 500 people in Kabul and a third tested positive yet recorded deaths are very low, but lot's of workers have returned to the country from Iran.
And in immigrant camp in Greece the problem is rife.
In countries where reporting problems and health systems are less than in the western countries it looks like the problem is far worse than reported.