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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Bessie Red on November 19, 2020, 04:26:24 pm
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Looks like Joe has been recalled by Stoke City
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Just had a quick Google search & can't see anything concrete as of yet. Seen Gunn has had an injury so it'll probably happen!
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Just had a quick Google search & can't see anything concrete as of yet. Seen Gunn has had an injury so it'll probably happen!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://twitter.com/BBCRadioStoke/status/1329455653455351814%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%255Egoogle%257Ctwcamp%255Eserp%257Ctwgr%255Etweet&ved=2ahUKEwixva3cg4_tAhWQTBUIHSmGBd8QglR6BAgMEAw&usg=AOvVaw31Fkg_lyl032sZPaUSkywb
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Just had a quick Google search & can't see anything concrete as of yet. Seen Gunn has had an injury so it'll probably happen!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://twitter.com/BBCRadioStoke/status/1329455653455351814%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%255Egoogle%257Ctwcamp%255Eserp%257Ctwgr%255Etweet&ved=2ahUKEwixva3cg4_tAhWQTBUIHSmGBd8QglR6BAgMEAw&usg=AOvVaw31Fkg_lyl032sZPaUSkywb
Thank you for that!
Your time to shine, Louis!
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Just had a quick Google search & can't see anything concrete as of yet. Seen Gunn has had an injury so it'll probably happen!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://twitter.com/BBCRadioStoke/status/1329455653455351814%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%255Egoogle%257Ctwcamp%255Eserp%257Ctwgr%255Etweet&ved=2ahUKEwixva3cg4_tAhWQTBUIHSmGBd8QglR6BAgMEAw&usg=AOvVaw31Fkg_lyl032sZPaUSkywb
Thank you for that!
Your time to shine, Louis!
It is a great opportunity for Louis!!
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A chance to get someone in that instills more confidence, but I’d give Jones the chance first and recall Lawlor for cover
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A chance to get someone in that instills more confidence, but I’d give Jones the chance first and recall Lawlor for cover
From what I've seen Jones is better than Lawlor by a long way!
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A chance to get someone in that instills more confidence, but I’d give Jones the chance first and recall Lawlor for cover
From what I've seen Jones is better than Lawlor by a long way!
Thats why I said I’d give jones the chance, we srill need cover on the bench, so get Lawlor back for the bench, unless we did the stupid thing what we did with Curtis Maine and allowed him to decide if he came back or not
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A chance to get someone in that instills more confidence, but I’d give Jones the chance first and recall Lawlor for cover
From what I've seen Jones is better than Lawlor by a long way!
Thats why I said I’d give jones the chance, we srill need cover on the bench, so get Lawlor back for the bench, unless we did the stupid thing what we did with Curtis Maine and allowed him to decide if he came back or not
Young Ben Bottomley pulled off a cracking penalty save vs Hull yesterday!
Have to wait & see.
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If Bursik has been recalled then given the lack of appearances by Jones and Bottomley I think we would qualify for an out of transfer window emergency goalkeeper loan?
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A chance to get someone in that instills more confidence, but I’d give Jones the chance first and recall Lawlor for cover
From what I've seen Jones is better than Lawlor by a long way!
Thats why I said I’d give jones the chance, we srill need cover on the bench, so get Lawlor back for the bench, unless we did the stupid thing what we did with Curtis Maine and allowed him to decide if he came back or not
According to Hoden we are in talks with a Championship club for a loan keeper. Maybe Stoke lol!!
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The emergency loan as been agreed with a Championship club but the paper work is being finalised so hopefully will be available for Saturday and I would think for this Saturday will be on the bench.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
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Obviously the timing is not great and hopefully the emergency loan keeper coming in is a good player for Jones to compete with. But I dont feel overly disappointed that he is getting called back.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
We still need a keeper either way even if Jones does take his opportunity so we have a back up. We cant run with Jones and Bottomley for the season.
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I am honestly not fussed he’s gone back, his kicking was crap, found touch more than he found the player, he’s another that prefers to punch than catch, and his positioning has been poor and cost us goals. Diengs footsteps are big ones to follow, perhaps Dieng is the one coming back
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A quick glance at some championship clubs squads and there’s a few current 3rd choices keepers that would do a job for us
Joe day - Cardiff
Joe Wildsmith - sheff w
Josh Vickers - Rotherham
Sam Walker - Reading
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I am honestly not fussed he’s gone back, his kicking was crap, found touch more than he found the player, he’s another that prefers to punch than catch, and his positioning has been poor and cost us goals. Diengs footsteps are big ones to follow, perhaps Dieng is the one coming back
Dieng is the QPR number 1 at the min
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I am honestly not fussed he’s gone back, his kicking was crap, found touch more than he found the player, he’s another that prefers to punch than catch, and his positioning has been poor and cost us goals. Diengs footsteps are big ones to follow, perhaps Dieng is the one coming back
Dieng is the QPR number 1 at the min
Yeah, but he doesn't get to live in Yorkshire at the minute.
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Recall confirmed on Dros https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2020/november/bursik-recalled-by-stoke-city/
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Brad Collins from Barnsley?
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Normally the club would have made arrangements to replace Bursik before making the announcement.
But it's just taken a bit longer to arrange, should be all done and dusted tomorrow.
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I’m all for Jones getting the shirt at the moment, but we do need a senior second goalie.
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I’m all for Jones getting the shirt at the moment, but we do need a senior second goalie.
Bring Lawlor back and piss Oldham off
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A quick glance at some championship clubs squads and there’s a few current 3rd choices keepers that would do a job for us
Joe day - Cardiff
Joe Wildsmith - sheff w
Josh Vickers - Rotherham
Sam Walker - Reading
Wildsmith has been playing for Wednesday hasn’t he?
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I’m all for Jones getting the shirt at the moment, but we do need a senior second goalie.
Bring Lawlor back and piss Oldham off
Think that would piss more of our fans of than Oldham’s haha
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If Bursik has been recalled then given the lack of appearances by Jones and Bottomley I think we would qualify for an out of transfer window emergency goalkeeper loan?
Probably - whats the chance of getting John Ruddy ( q for DM)
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A quick glance at some championship clubs squads and there’s a few current 3rd choices keepers that would do a job for us
Joe day - Cardiff
Joe Wildsmith - sheff w
Josh Vickers - Rotherham
Sam Walker - Reading
Wildsmith has been playing for Wednesday hasn’t he?
Yes, I think he has but Kieran Westwood has not been getting a look in - he'd do!
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A quick glance at some championship clubs squads and there’s a few current 3rd choices keepers that would do a job for us
Joe day - Cardiff
Joe Wildsmith - sheff w
Josh Vickers - Rotherham
Sam Walker - Reading
Wildsmith has been playing for Wednesday hasn’t he?
hasn’t Dawson been their number 1 this season?
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I don’t like us having our number one choice keeper as a loan player.
We have had issues with it in the past.
I agree that Dieng was an exception to that.
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A quick glance at some championship clubs squads and there’s a few current 3rd choices keepers that would do a job for us
Joe day - Cardiff
Joe Wildsmith - sheff w
Josh Vickers - Rotherham
Sam Walker - Reading
Wildsmith has been playing for Wednesday hasn’t he?
Dawson has predominantly been their number 1 this season and Pulis said yesterday that he’s bringing Westwood back into the squad
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I don’t like us having our number one choice keeper as a loan player.
We have had issues with it in the past.
I agree that Dieng was an exception to that.
Sullivan wasn’t a bad loanee was he.?
Not sure it matters, especially as due to the circumstances we have to have a loanee, or recall Lawlor.
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I’d rather recall Neville Southall.
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I don’t like us having our number one choice keeper as a loan player.
We have had issues with it in the past.
I agree that Dieng was an exception to that.
Sullivan wasn’t a bad loanee was he.?
Not sure it matters, especially as due to the circumstances we have to have a loanee, or recall Lawlor.
Sulli was a great loanee and eventually became our own player.
I couldn’t foresee Bursik signing permanently for us though.
Was it Sam Johnstone who deserted at the last minute leaving us in the lurch just before a game.
I hope we give Jones a run a first choice keeper and give him the opportunity to make the post his own.
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I’d rather recall Neville Southall.
I don't think you would...
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I’d rather recall Neville Southall.
I don't think you would...
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Why not,he'd fill the net?
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Big loss that, played so far up at times like having a third centre back. England international obviously quality, not sure it’s time to stick an inexperienced keeper between the sticks. Need a solid replacement
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Couldn’t really class Bursik as experienced
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Jones has been very good when I’ve seen him.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
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We after a replacement then?
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I didn’t rate Bursik and won’t particularly miss him but haven’t seen enough of Jones to form an opinion. I hope we are bringing someone else in who is good enough to immediately be number one (like Bursik was thought to be) and Jones continues to challenge and wait in the wings.
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I don%u2019t like us having our number one choice keeper as a loan player.
We have had issues with it in the past.
I agree that Dieng was an exception to that.
This is Louis Jones big chance to grab that shirt and become Rovers no1 keeper.
If he does he could possibly be our keeper for many years to come.
It would be good to see one of our own come through the ranks and be a regular 1st team player.
Come on Louis you can do it. There is less pressure on him as there are no fans in the ground so that may be an advantage to a goalkeeper.
There is nothing worse for a young keeper than making a mistake in front of your own fans and getting heckled. Or away fans making adverse comments on your ability. ( I put that very politely )
I think he will be a big success and if that is the case we may not see Bursik in a Rovers shirt again.
He will not be brought back to sit on the bench. Stoke City will not want that.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
Can’t say I agree with you. He barely had anything to do in a 5-1 win, he had little chance with their goal and the couple of chances they had towards the end of the game were not of his making - he had one decent save as far as I can recall.
I watched the first two pizza cup games where he was very good and looks assured.
If he starts tomorrow I wouldn’t give it a second thought.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
Can%u2019t say I agree with you. He barely had anything to do in a 5-1 win, he had little chance with their goal and the couple of chances they had towards the end of the game were not of his making - he had one decent save as far as I can recall.
I watched the first two pizza cup games where he was very good and looks assured.
If he starts tomorrow I wouldn%u2019t give it a second thought.
I think GazLaz is just trying to be controversial. ( Again )
How on earth can he have been poor & look nervy. He had very little to do and the goal was in no way down to him as you said IDM.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
Can’t say I agree with you. He barely had anything to do in a 5-1 win, he had little chance with their goal and the couple of chances they had towards the end of the game were not of his making - he had one decent save as far as I can recall.
I watched the first two pizza cup games where he was very good and looks assured.
If he starts tomorrow I wouldn’t give it a second thought.
I agree with IDM, I also think a run in the team would really boost his confidence
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
I don’t think he looked as nervy as Bursik to be honest
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Personally, I’d rather have an experienced guy.
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Anyway, back on topic ;), I think it will do Jones a lot of good to play while we probably get an alternative sorted.
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Personally, I’d rather have an experienced guy.
I understand, but how do you get experience, especially as a keeper where only one can start.? Other than going on loan to a club in a lower division when else would Jones get first team starts in league matches.?
If he is good enough, he’s old enough.
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
Thought the same, and thought he dived over the ball for the FCUM goal as well. It wasn't a great finish.
Not to write the guy off but we can't just assume he's ready to be #1.
FWIW I didn't rate Bursik too much either and had massive question marks over him. It's debatable for me whether at this stage in his development he's a better option than Lawlor.
I think this situation shows the pitfalls of relying on loans from other clubs though. Sometimes I accept they are necessary and the sensible option, but it leaves you vulnerable to situations like this.
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I am amazed at some of the comments about Jones not being ready.
Why is he not ready? How will we ever know if he does not play.
He looked very assured in the Blackburn match. Every time i have seen him i have been impressed.
It was not long ago loads of you were screaming for him to be given his chance.
Now he has got that chance some of you want an experienced keeper instead.
Let us give him this opportunity, think some of you sceptics may get a pleasant surprise at how good this lad is. He is 21 so not a baby is he?
Young for a keeper yes, but he has been waiting in the wings for some time now and i firmly believe he is ready.
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If that is aimed at me, Campsall, then you’re way off. I’ve possibly watched him more than most on here. Yes, he’s a good lad, but imho, not yet good enough to be No1.
Seny Dieng showed us what an experienced keeper can do for the team and, definitely, for the defense.
You are all entitled to your opinions, but I’ll stick by mine.
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We after a replacement then?
Of course, will be announced today.
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If that is aimed at me, Campsall, then you’re way off. I’ve possibly watched him more than most on here. Yes, he’s a good lad, but imho, not yet good enough to be No1.
Seny Dieng showed us what an experienced keeper can do for the team and, definitely, for the defense.
You are all entitled to your opinions, but I’ll stick by mine.
Alan, not specifically aimed at you. There were are a number of people that have reservations as to whether Louis Jones is ready.
Senny Deing was not what i call an experienced keeper but he was certainly a good one. Experience is relative though isn’t it. Compared to Jones more experienced of course.
How does Jones get the experience if he doesn’t get game time in the 1st team?
He will either sink or swim. He deserves his chance imo.
You are very entitled to think differently Alan. It’s all about opinions. The only one that really matters is DM’s opinion.
Whatever it is i will be happy to accept his superior judgement.
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We get a lot of posters on here talking about confidence. How many times have we read about strikers needing confidence and we should persevere and not drop them? Yet now when it comes to Louis Jones the first thing we do when the 1st choice keeper gets recalled we go out and get another.
How much good must this be doing for HIS confidence?
Oh and I would be quite happy to see Jones playing on Saturday.
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
Regulations for the signing of goalkeepers on emergency loans state the player coming in must start matches they are available for during their stay. So the new signing for Rovers will start against Sunderland and Blackpool #drfc
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Joe Lumley signs
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/breaking-doncaster-rovers-sign-queens-park-rangers-keeper-emergency-loan-3042297
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Joe Lumley signs
7 day loan, pointless really
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
Regulations for the signing of goalkeepers on emergency loans state the player coming in must start matches they are available for during their stay. So the new signing for Rovers will start against Sunderland and Blackpool #drfc
Typical Rovers, committing to deals where they have to play their loan players ;)
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To be honest I'm not that fussed that he has gone back
Give Jones a chance on Saturday and if he does well then forget about another keeper
I thought I was the only one that thought jones was the better keeper
No, I thought Jones looked more confident and assured too
Jones was poor in the FA Cup. Looked very nervy.
Thought the same, and thought he dived over the ball for the FCUM goal as well. It wasn't a great finish.
Not to write the guy off but we can't just assume he's ready to be #1.
FWIW I didn't rate Bursik too much either and had massive question marks over him. It's debatable for me whether at this stage in his development he's a better option than Lawlor.
I think this situation shows the pitfalls of relying on loans from other clubs though. Sometimes I accept they are necessary and the sensible option, but it leaves you vulnerable to situations like this.
Nice someone agrees. The effort with the goal wasn’t good. He miscontrolled one that ran under his foot as well.
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Joe Lumley signs
7 day loan, pointless really
It’s a rolling deal isn’t it.?
Perhaps - I don’t know - these are the only terms on which clubs can sign emergency loan keepers outside the transfer window.?
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Liam Hoden
@liamhoden
Regulations for the signing of goalkeepers on emergency loans state the player coming in must start matches they are available for during their stay. So the new signing for Rovers will start against Sunderland and Blackpool #drfc
Typical Rovers, committing to deals where they have to play their loan players ;)
Although i am surprised he is bringing someone in ahead of Jones it was a deal done obviously because DM wants him to be 1st choice.
So what is the problem Nick on having to play him.
I did think he would bring in an understudy to Louis but am wrong and as i said i respect DMs judgement.
He is the one along with Paul Gerrard who works with the keepers who is with the players day in day out. NOT US.
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Lighten up, there’s a winkie emoji after it - I wasn’t being serious.
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The only way we could have brought in a gk to understudy Jones is by signing one on a Short term contract. Emergency loans mean he must play.
To make sure we have two keepers this week at least was an emergency loan.
To get a keeper on Short term deal would take longer with picking one negotiating wages and length of contract.
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I personally think this whole thing is a bit of a mess.
So per the regulations, we have to keep extending Lumley's loan each week until January. It also mandates we HAVE to play him because he's an emergency signing, so bet that makes Jones feel great.
What if Lumley has a wobble in one game or Darren wants to give Jones a go? We either can't or we have to decide there and then that we're going with Jones and Bottomley as our only goalies until January.
This situation needs to force the club to realise we shouldn't have a loanee goalkeeper as our first choice going forward.
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If you remember DM wanted to bring in a experienced keeper in the summer but finances wouldn’t allow. So let see what happens in January. There is one thing if we had gone with Jones and Bottemley then unlike Bursik they would have been ammune to Criticism. Being one of our own.
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If you remember DM wanted to bring in a experienced keeper in the summer but finances wouldn’t allow. So let see what happens in January. There is one thing if we had gone with Jones and Bottemley then unlike Bursik they would have been ammune to Criticism. Being one of our own.
Or immune even..... :whistle:
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Lighten up, there’s a winkie emoji after it - I wasn’t being serious.
Missed that Nick. If your going to post a sarcastic remark please make it more obvious.
3x emoji might just do it. Like this. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I personally think this whole thing is a bit of a mess.
So per the regulations, we have to keep extending Lumley's loan each week until January. It also mandates we HAVE to play him because he's an emergency signing, so bet that makes Jones feel great.
What if Lumley has a wobble in one game or Darren wants to give Jones a go? We either can't or we have to decide there and then that we're going with Jones and Bottomley as our only goalies until January.
This situation needs to force the club to realise we shouldn't have a loanee goalkeeper as our first choice going forward.
Or perhaps don't take a loan keeper where he is on a 24hr recall.
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I personally think this whole thing is a bit of a mess.
So per the regulations, we have to keep extending Lumley's loan each week until January. It also mandates we HAVE to play him because he's an emergency signing, so bet that makes Jones feel great.
What if Lumley has a wobble in one game or Darren wants to give Jones a go? We either can't or we have to decide there and then that we're going with Jones and Bottomley as our only goalies until January.
This situation needs to force the club to realise we shouldn't have a loanee goalkeeper as our first choice going forward.
We would not have had Deing in goal for us last season. Would that have been a good thing or a bad thing?
Think we know the answer to that one.
It’s just very unfortunate Stoke City have injuries to 2 goal keepers. You can’t really plan for that.
Also what Is DM supposed to do if he thinks Lawlor is not good enough ( and he isn’t imo ) and he must not have thought Jones was ready to be no 1
So I think DM’s hand was somewhat forced.
In principle though i agree it is better if we have our own no 1 keeper going forward.
I hope Louis Jones is that man in the not too distant future.
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Dieng was great, no doubt, but perhaps it would just be better to source and sign our own goalkeeper from now on? This situation is something that can always arise and it leaves us in the lurch with an unstable goalkeeping situation for at least 6 weeks now encompassing nearly a dozen games.
As for the 24 hour recall mentioned by the previous poster, I'm not sure you can have a goalkeeper on loan without that proviso because of the unique importance of the position. As we've seen with this situation.
To me, it's no good. We need to prioritise a permanent signing to play in goal in future.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
True but at the same time, it is rare you will only have one player capable of playing in any outfield position, especially as others can move around (like James going into midfield or Wright moving to RB). With the goalkeeper position, it is highly specialised and we've gone with a policy this season of having a senior loanee and no experienced back-up, necessitating this emergency move.
If Sims or Smith are suddenly recalled, we wouldn't need an emergency loan even if they were allowed because we have 3, 4 or 5 different players who can step in. It isn't the case for goalkeepers.
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Like all other signings, I would expect DM and his team have had a good look at keepers and the one(s) they want they just can’t get yet for whatever reason.?
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Like all other signings, I would expect DM and his team have had a good look at keepers and the one(s) they want they just can’t get yet for whatever reason.?
The only way we can sign anyone right now is either a free agent or an emergency loan. There are no other options available to us.
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Yes I know that - I was generalising rather than meaning right now.
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If you remember DM wanted to bring in a experienced keeper in the summer but finances wouldn’t allow. So let see what happens in January. There is one thing if we had gone with Jones and Bottemley then unlike Bursik they would have been immune to Criticism. Being one of our own.
Or immune even..... :whistle:
Yes I have changed it
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
Then we'd have to pay his salary.
And with a salary cap in place that's the last thing we need.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
How do you know that they would not be delighted to send him back to us?
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
Then we'd have to pay his salary.
And with a salary cap in place that's the last thing we need.
It sounded to me that the suggestion was to have Jones in goal and Lawlor on the bench, so surely that would just replace what we are saving on Bursik’s salary?
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
Then we'd have to pay his salary.
And with a salary cap in place that's the last thing we need.
Does that mean we aren't paying any of Jo Bursik's wages?
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I personally think this whole thing is a bit of a mess.
So per the regulations, we have to keep extending Lumley's loan each week until January. It also mandates we HAVE to play him because he's an emergency signing, so bet that makes Jones feel great.
What if Lumley has a wobble in one game or Darren wants to give Jones a go? We either can't or we have to decide there and then that we're going with Jones and Bottomley as our only goalies until January.
This situation needs to force the club to realise we shouldn't have a loanee goalkeeper as our first choice going forward.
Completely agree,
We need to have our own number 1 in my opinion.
Not long ago we had 2 experienced goalkeepers fighting it out for the number one position that were both contracted to us.
And now we’ve got 0 experienced goalkeepers contracted to us
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I personally think this whole thing is a bit of a mess.
So per the regulations, we have to keep extending Lumley's loan each week until January. It also mandates we HAVE to play him because he's an emergency signing, so bet that makes Jones feel great.
What if Lumley has a wobble in one game or Darren wants to give Jones a go? We either can't or we have to decide there and then that we're going with Jones and Bottomley as our only goalies until January.
This situation needs to force the club to realise we shouldn't have a loanee goalkeeper as our first choice going forward.
Completely agree,
We need to have our own number 1 in my opinion.
Not long ago we had 2 experienced goalkeepers fighting it out for the number one position that were both contracted to us.
And now we’ve got 0 experienced goalkeepers contracted to us
And we never will have if we don't give them a chance.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
Then we'd have to pay his salary.
And with a salary cap in place that's the last thing we need.
Does that mean we aren't paying any of Jo Bursik's wages?
Not included in the salary cap due to his age. Assume we'd be paying for Lumley in the wage cap though.
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Bursik told he will start tomorrow
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Also what Is DM supposed to do if he thinks Lawlor is not good enough ( and he isn’t imo ) and he must not have thought Jones was ready to be no 1
So I think DM’s hand was somewhat forced.
This is not so much about what DM thinks about Jones, it’s more about having to rely on a very inexperienced and totally untried u18 keeper as back-up, which is a non-starter in my view.
The manager wanted a third keeper (experienced) in the summer and went on record to say so. We obviously didn’t get one, for whatever reason, so we’re stuck with the circumstances. It’s hardly our fault that Stoke got 2 keepers injured at the same time!
There is definitely an argument that we should have our own No1, but I don’t consider Jones being that person.
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Signing any player on loan could put you in a position where they may be recalled and leave you short. Playing Devil’s advocate a bit but at least with a goalkeeper if this does happen you can sign an emergency replacement - you can’t do that with any other position.
Slightly different with outfield players though as they can only be recalled during transfer windows.
I'd have recalled Lawlor for the bench, anything that pisses off Oldham fans is a winner.
Then we'd have to pay his salary.
And with a salary cap in place that's the last thing we need.
Does that mean we aren't paying any of Jo Bursik's wages?
Without going into detail, there's a major difference in the costs.
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Also what Is DM supposed to do if he thinks Lawlor is not good enough ( and he isn’t imo ) and he must not have thought Jones was ready to be no 1
So I think DM’s hand was somewhat forced.
This is not so much about what DM thinks about Jones, it’s more about having to rely on a very inexperienced and totally untried u18 keeper as back-up, which is a non-starter in my view.
The manager wanted a third keeper (experienced) in the summer and went on record to say so. We obviously didn’t get one, for whatever reason, so we’re stuck with the circumstances. It’s hardly our fault that Stoke got 2 keepers injured at the same time!
There is definitely an argument that we should have our own No1, but I don’t consider Jones being that person.
Bursik was always DM's 1st choice keeper during the summer months, which means we didn't miss out on the experienced keeper you mention.
This season is the breakthrough season for Jones, he will play a bigger part than he has done so far.
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Also what Is DM supposed to do if he thinks Lawlor is not good enough ( and he isn’t imo ) and he must not have thought Jones was ready to be no 1
So I think DM’s hand was somewhat forced.
This is not so much about what DM thinks about Jones, it’s more about having to rely on a very inexperienced and totally untried u18 keeper as back-up, which is a non-starter in my view.
The manager wanted a third keeper (experienced) in the summer and went on record to say so. We obviously didn’t get one, for whatever reason, so we’re stuck with the circumstances. It’s hardly our fault that Stoke got 2 keepers injured at the same time!
There is definitely an argument that we should have our own No1, but I don’t consider Jones being that person.
Bursik was always DM's 1st choice keeper during the summer months, which means we didn't miss out on the experienced keeper you mention.
This season is the breakthrough season for Jones, he will play a bigger part than he has done so far.
As Alan said the experienced keeper was talked about by DM along with Bursik and Jones but Covid took over football crowds so it was probably put on the back burner.
Only way Jones can play more is if we sign a keeper on a Short term contract till January or sign a keeper in the January window. I don’t believe we will bring Lawlor back as his wages many cause us a problem.
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Check back in the archives, SM, as DM definitely went on record to say he wanted a 3rd keeper and he’d be an experienced guy. Nowhere have I suggested that he would be a No1 keeper.
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Starts for Stoke today
COYR
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Check back in the archives, SM, as DM definitely went on record to say he wanted a 3rd keeper and he’d be an experienced guy. Nowhere have I suggested that he would be a No1 keeper.
You shouldn't take DM's words as being totally accurate, he's a football manager and not a media expert. And I don't mean that in a negative way, it's just that he does have a certain way of delivering his interviews.
When I spoke with Gavin, way before the season started, he told me that Bursik was his main choice and that Jones would have a big part to play this season as the club really value the lad. I'm not sure where an experienced keeper would fit into that.