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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: River Don on May 01, 2021, 12:12:22 pm
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Picture this.
You're driving on a straight road and you approach a mini roundabout.
There is a junction there where you can turn off left or right onto a minor road.
Now, you want to drive straight across on the main road but at the same time a car on the opposite side of the road wants to turn right cutting across the flow of the traffic.
Who has right of way?
It's just happened to me, don't worry no collision but it confused me.
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Where is the mini roundabout before or after the junction or this junction the mini roundabout itself?
If the roads are coming of the mini roundabout I'd say I don't really know as you'd both be on the right therefore is both your right of way?
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I was curious about this so I've looked up the Highway Code.
It says mini-roundabout should be treated in the same way as a normal size roundabout.
The only thing it says is to give priority to traffic approaching from your right (unless there are signs telling you to do otherwise).
I'd take this to mean that the oncoming car turning right is approaching you (as it will be crossing your path), whereas from his point of view you aren't approaching him but turning off and passing him without crossing his path.
From that, it reads to me that you should give way to him. He doesn't need to give way to you as you're not interfering with his progress.
Filo's take on it might be better, though.
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I'd say you have got the right of way because you are not crossing anyone's path, whereas the driver opposite is crossing yours.
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Right Turner has right of way
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To be clear the it's a cross junction with a mini roundabout in the centre of it.
Most of the time traffic is flowing straight along the main road, it's rare for cars to be turning off onto the minor road.
I was checking nothing was coming from the right and I was already into the roundabout when I realised the car coming opposite was going right.
If anything he was a behind me going into the roundabout, if he hadn't slowed he'd have gone my car somewhere behind the rear passenger door.
Whatever, Its taught me to approach that roundabout with more caution in future.
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Like Glyn says, on a roundabout, you give way to traffic coming from your right. So the other car has right of way.
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I always slow right down at mini roundabouts because you just don't know how people are going to judge them. Me included. It's the lack of space that you have to account for people's actions. I'm pretty sure the intention of them was precisely to make drivers slow down and think, like those urban roads in Holland where they've done away with the kerb and left no demarcation between road and busy pavement.
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Depends on who was on the mini roundabout first, if you were on it first they should have waited. If it was pretty much the same time and they were indicating that they were going right you should have waited.
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Depends on who was on the mini roundabout first, if you were on it first they should have waited. If it was pretty much the same time and they were indicating that they were going right you should have waited.
Nope.
If you, by driving into the roundabout, obstruct someone who would be coming across you from your right, you are in the wrong.
Trick is to think of them as already being on the roundabout. The Give Way lines that they cross to come into the roundabout don't have any effect because there's no car coming across them from their right to give way to. They have right of way to be on the roundabout. You have to give way.
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Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only one confused about it.
It's reminded me not everyone is going straight over this roundabout and it needs more caution.
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Just treat the mini roundabout the same way you would a "proper" one and you'll be reyt.
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Like Glyn says, on a roundabout, you give way to traffic coming from your right. So the other car has right of way.
Both cars are to the right of each other!
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No BB. One car is not approaching the other one from the right.
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Like Glyn says, on a roundabout, you give way to traffic coming from your right. So the other car has right of way.
Both cars are to the right of each other!
But only one of them is indicating to cross the path of the other. The situation is not the same for both of them.
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Depends on who was on the mini roundabout first, if you were on it first they should have waited. If it was pretty much the same time and they were indicating that they were going right you should have waited.
This is probably it.
It was quite marginal I was on the roundabout first, I slowed but I didn't stop, in future I will stop there. I'm pretty sure the bloke turning right was going too fast for a 20 zone, I fact I think he accelerated quite hard into the junction before braking and wanted to get on his horn. Had he been going the speed I was, it wouldn't have been a problem.
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Good call RD. The sensible approach is to look to make eye contact and be grown up about it. If some obnoxious Kitson takes advantage of that, good luck to them, let them have a little meaningless win.
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Where is this roundabout?
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Think of the roundabout like a crossroad. If you're going straight on and the car coming the other way is turning right, across your path, he should give way to you.
Of course, it is all matter of common sense.
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Where is this roundabout?
Do you know York?
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You think of a roundabout like a roundabout. That's why it has it's own section in the Highway Code.
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Think of the roundabout like a crossroad. If you're going straight on and the car coming the other way is turning right, across your path, he should give way to you.
Of course, it is all matter of common sense.
And this is why I slow down to a crawl at mini-roundabouts. The roads are full of people whose ignorance of the rules is only matched by their certainty that they are right.
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Supposing BOTH cars want to turn right?
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Then both stop and make eye contact to determine what to do.
Exactly the same as at a crossroads if two cars are both wanting to turn right into the main road. I have that happen regularly at a little junction in Derbyshire when I'm coming home from work. You both stop and one or the other gives a gesture to cede right if way to the other.
Occasionally, the person on the other side takes it in themself to decide they are going first, regardless. In which case, good luck to them.
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At crossroads if you are both turning right you are supposed to pass each other and then turn.
If one driver wants to turn right and the other driver wants to go straight on then the driver who is turning right should wait until the driver going straight has passed.
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At crossroads if you are both turning right you are supposed to pass each other and then turn.
If one driver wants to turn right and the other driver wants to go straight on then the driver who is turning right should wait until the driver going straight has passed.
And how, pray, is this anything to do with what the Highway Code tells you to do at roundabouts?
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There's a crossroads like that at the Ivanhoe in Sprotbrough.
It's quite busy nowadays, you can get stuck there for quite a longtime hoping someone will let you out.
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There's a crossroads like that at the Ivanhoe in Sprotbrough.
It's quite busy nowadays, you can get stuck there for quite a longtime hoping someone will let you out.
Presumably BB would advise you treat it like a roundabout. :silly:
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Why didn't you ask Billy that after his last post?
Mini roundabouts can be very confusing regarding who has the right of way. As Billy says, often the procedure is determined by gestures from the drivers as to who goes first. Sometimes those gestures might not comply with the highway code, but common sense prevails instead.
I maintain that if two drivers arrive at a mini-roundabout at the same time, facing each other and one wants to turn right and the other wants to go straight on the most likely option would be that the driver turning right would give way.
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Well you'd best write your own Highway Code then BB, because that's absolutely the opposite of what the real one says.
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It's all I expected from you Billy boy. A bloke who just admitted he doesn't follow the highway code and instead decides what to do by gesturing tells ME I'D be best writing MY own highway code!
You couldn't make it up!
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At crossroads if you are both turning right you are supposed to pass each other and then turn.
If one driver wants to turn right and the other driver wants to go straight on then the driver who is turning right should wait until the driver going straight has passed.
But a mini roundabout isn't a crossroads?
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Mini-roundabouts are crossroad that have had tits put in the middle!
And it is very apt description to some that use them on here!
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Mini-roundabouts are crossroad that have had tits put in the middle!
And it is very apt description to some that use them on here!
But that doesn't make them a crossroad! the clue is in the name.
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I used them as an example, just like your leader did!
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https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html
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I used them as an example, just like your leader did!
You mentioned crossroads first, no-one else. Post 18 if your memory of this thread is as bad as it is for the Highway Code.
But I'm sure that you won't let it stop you from carrying on arguing the toss even when you're demonstrably wrong, as per usual.
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A roundabout is a roundabout whatever the size, mini roundabouts can be hazardous, the one near Rockware to turn off to Screwfix can be dodgy if you haven’t got your eye out for a potential right turner, approach mini roundabouts with caution
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There is at least one accident every week on that one at Clay Lane.
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There is at least one accident every week on that one at Clay Lane.
Perhaps it's because some people treat it like a crossroads...?
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I used crossroads as an example of road safety procedure, just as BST did after me, but because he is your leader, you simply couldn't question him about it.
The initial question was about two drivers arriving at the mini roundabout at the same time and with both vehicles to the right of each other. If in that situation, it was a normal roundabout it would be highly likely that both drivers could proceed the roundabout at the same time without interfering with each other.
If it was a mini-roundabout, the situation would be more precarious and I would expect the driver turning right to give precedence to the driver going straight on, thus not crossing its path.
That's what I would do anyway. It is defensive driving, not offensive.
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I used crossroads as an example of road safety procedure, just as BST did after me, but because he is your leader, you simply couldn't question him about it.
The initial question was about two drivers arriving at the mini roundabout at the same time and with both vehicles to the right of each other. If in that situation, it was a normal roundabout it would be highly likely that both drivers could proceed the roundabout at the same time without interfering with each other.
If it was a mini-roundabout, the situation would be more precarious and I would expect the driver turning right to give precedence to the driver going straight on, thus not crossing its path.
That's what I would do anyway. It is defensive driving, not offensive.
If you search the term crossroad on the first page of the thread, you're the first person to use it. So it was nothing to do with my supposed "leader". You're incredibly childish for someone I gather is a senior citizen.
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Agreed about the defensive driving BB. But the bigger onus is certainly on the driver going straight on. If they think they have right of way, and drive accordingly, they are the one legally in the wrong, whereas if the driver turning right assumes they have the right of way, they are legally correct.
The crossroads example I gave before is one where the layout of the road is such that it is physically impossible for two cars both turning right to pass offside to offside. So it is one of those cases where it is simply not possible to have a rule, and eye contact and a mutual decision has to take precedence. I don't understand why you have got so irate about that.
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I used crossroads as an example of road safety procedure, just as BST did after me, but because he is your leader, you simply couldn't question him about it.
The initial question was about two drivers arriving at the mini roundabout at the same time and with both vehicles to the right of each other. If in that situation, it was a normal roundabout it would be highly likely that both drivers could proceed the roundabout at the same time without interfering with each other.
If it was a mini-roundabout, the situation would be more precarious and I would expect the driver turning right to give precedence to the driver going straight on, thus not crossing its path.
That's what I would do anyway. It is defensive driving, not offensive.
BST wasn't the one making a stupid comparison. You were, and you did it without prompting from anybody else. And you can shove your pathetic 'he's your leader' shit back in the orifice it came out of. But don't forget to clean your teeth afterwards.
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Temper temper, Mr Wiggerly. Just because you've made an arse of yourself.
Again!
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Where is this roundabout?
Do you know York?
no pal. I have nothing to ad to this. I just carry on reading the comments.
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Same as any other roundabout give way to traffic from your right. if you don't do that in Snaith and between Saith and Rawcliffe chances are a bloody great articulated lorry that cant negotiate those two mini roundabouts with ease will smack you, just saying.
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Temper temper, Mr Wiggerly. Just because you've made an arse of yourself.
Again!
As absolutely nobody else in this thread agrees with you, the rest of us are already quite well aware of who's made an arse of themself.
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Safety in numbers eh, Mr Weewee! Do you honestly think I'm intimidated by you or your leader? More to the point, do you feel more convinced that you're right just because your great leader has once again turned up to defend you?
Does that give you some sort of 'right of way?'
Silly sausage!
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Safety in nunbers?
No, quite the reverse. Isolation in wrongness.
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but you're not isolated in wrongness. You've got your great leader standing up for you!
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Agreed about the defensive driving BB. But the bigger onus is certainly on the driver going straight on. If they think they have right of way, and drive accordingly, they are the one legally in the wrong, whereas if the driver turning right assumes they have the right of way, they are legally correct.
The crossroads example I gave before is one where the layout of the road is such that it is physically impossible for two cars both turning right to pass offside to offside. So it is one of those cases where it is simply not possible to have a rule, and eye contact and a mutual decision has to take precedence. I don't understand why you have got so irate about that.
If the driver going straight approaches the roundabout first he has got the right of way.
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Ivanhoe junction is getting terrible
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Agreed about the defensive driving BB. But the bigger onus is certainly on the driver going straight on. If they think they have right of way, and drive accordingly, they are the one legally in the wrong, whereas if the driver turning right assumes they have the right of way, they are legally correct.
The crossroads example I gave before is one where the layout of the road is such that it is physically impossible for two cars both turning right to pass offside to offside. So it is one of those cases where it is simply not possible to have a rule, and eye contact and a mutual decision has to take precedence. I don't understand why you have got so irate about that.
If the driver going straight approaches the roundabout first he has got the right of way.
No. He has not. There's no argument about this. You are wrong according to the law.
I get that you believe that the driver going straight on SHOULD have right of way. But he doesn't. Full stop.
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YES HE HAS! If a driver is first to the roundabout there is no reason why they have to wait for another car to approach it.
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''On reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights. Check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed but still look to the right before joining''
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If you are the only motorist actually at a roundabout you have priority over motorists not at the roundabout. People thinking they have the right of way because they are on the right of someone actually at a roundabout are only within their rights if they themselves are actually on the roundabout!
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If you are the only motorist actually at a roundabout you have priority over motorists not at the roundabout. People thinking they have the right of way because they are on the right of someone actually at a roundabout are only within their rights if they themselves are actually on the roundabout!
see above quote taken directly from the highway code, not the code according to bently batshit but the highway code
https://www.reddrivingschool.com/learners/how-do-i-do-it/highway-code/rules-of-the-roundabout/#:~:text=On%20reaching%20the%20roundabout%20you,to%20the%20right%20before%20joining.
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Syderney, If you are on a roundabout and see someone 20 yards down the road approaching the roundabout, you have the right of way.
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Would you like to bet against what the highway code says bb?
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Are you saying If you are at a roundabout with no one else at the roundabout you have to wait until someone else arrives at the roundabout?
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How much £50?
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When will I see your money?
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Just give it a rest and go to bed, you lost already way back up the thread
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Of course, you should give way to traffic on the right, when traffic is actually there! A driver 20 yards from a roundabout shouldn't expect priority over someone who is already on it!
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I can understand your frustration Skippy, having had to give way to the right for years.
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Of course, you should give way to traffic on the right, when traffic is actually there! A driver 20 yards from a roundabout shouldn't expect priority over someone who is already on it!
there's only you saying they do, go to bed
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What?
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Every off topic thread descends into this pointless circular shite nowadays. Absolutely tedious beyond words.
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Every off topic thread descends into this pointless circular shite nowadays. Absolutely tedious beyond words.
If you think YOU'RE badly done to you should try contributing to it!
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Right Turner has right of way
That will make all my journeys much less stressful and quick but how will other drivers know my name ?
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Right Turner has right of way
That will make all my journeys much less stressful and quick but how will other drivers know my name ?
As long as you don't see Tina coming at you with steamy windows.
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Right Turner has right of way
That will make all my journeys much less stressful and quick but how will other drivers know my name ?
You need one of those top of the screen green sunvisors with your name on
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Right Turner has right of way
That will make all my journeys much less stressful and quick but how will other drivers know my name ?
As long as you don't see Tina coming at you with steamy windows.
Or her more ugly sister.......Stomach Turner.
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After 8 years overseas, all this give way to traffic on the right blew my mind for a bit. God help me if I visit the UK and decide to drive.
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Come to Bradford and you can just do as you please.
I was stood outside the Tesco Express at a busy crossroads and in five minutes at least six cars went through at red. Not amber but after Red had been showing for a couple of seconds. Here amber means accelerate hard and go through.
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Right Turner has right of way
That will make all my journeys much less stressful and quick but how will other drivers know my name ?
As long as you don't see Tina coming at you with steamy windows.
Or her more ugly sister.......Stomach Anthea Turner.