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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on May 09, 2021, 09:26:53 pm
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Sad to see Joe Wright stretchered off - isn't he now out of contract? And am I correct in thinking he turned down the offer of a new contract with us? Could be a very costly mistake from him if this is the case.
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I suppose it depends on the injury, but if I’m honest he’s gone backwards and he’s not the player we hoped he’d be
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He’s been with us a long time now and I think probably best for both sides if he moves on. Fresh challenge for him somewhere.
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I like Wright and I think he can play, but if his injury is quite bad that’s a risk you take putting yourself out of contract. I know he’s been trying to haggle for more money, he’s not going to get it now.
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He said a bit ago that he wants to try his luck in the championship but no way is he ready for that in my book
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Another player we have to find, then. The list is getting bigger!
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Wright will look even taller in those stripes next season.
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He said a bit ago that he wants to try his luck in the championship but no way is he ready for that in my book
Certainly not as a right back. Playing him out of position this season has been an abject failure, for him and the team too. He has only one natural position, at which he is one of our better defenders.
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Not got half the potential John has. No great loss if he leaves in my book.
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All our defenders are good players.
The problem is we are defending as individuals ( not very well ) instead of defending as a back 4 unit. Also the other pieces of the jigsaw is not functioning which are the other 6 players on the pitch.
You defend from the front from the wings and from central midfield.
We have not been doing that.
Back to basics next season I hope.
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Not got half the potential John has. No great loss if he leaves in my book.
Totally forgot about John. Is he injured?
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I was assuming he was one of the ones who tested positive for Covid, EfD.
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Really thought if he could keep injury free which he's managed to do until the last game it could be a really big season for him, unfortunately seems to have gone backwards
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Doesn't seem to long ago that we were worried about losing him to higher opposition. As ScillyRover said earlier, playing him at right back has done him no favours at all. I seem to remember something similar with Jimmy O'Connor when he moved to centre back, he never seemed quite the same when returned to right back
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Seems a nice lad but i don’t particularly rate him.
Maybe a fresh start is what we both need.
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Isn’t he our longest serving player after Copps? Not sure who’d of been here the longest if Wright leaves...
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Imo Wright is in the same boat as John where since he moved to full back u can tell he isn’t a full back at all and that whenever he’s gone back to CB towards the end of the season he’s not looked the same player.
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Look at John Stones, when he was playing in a system that gave him no protection he looked like an amateur. Now he’s playing in a system designed to make sure the defence doesn’t get exposed he looks a world beater again.
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Look at John Stones, when he was playing in a system that gave him no protection he looked like an amateur. Now he’s playing in a system designed to make sure the defence doesn’t get exposed he looks a world beater again.
Yep a few of us have been saying similar recently. Our midfield and attack offers no support for the defence and leaves them exposed time after time.
A proper holding midfielder and pace up top are vital for next season.
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Wright is a good player at this level very competent and he's perfect for a team that play attractive football from the back.
I hope he stays, but I don't want to see him playing at Rightback.
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Isn’t he our longest serving player after Copps? Not sure who’d of been here the longest if Wright leaves...
Jones.
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I like both JW and CJ, its a shame they have been used in the way they have. Both players have the mentality to give everything to the cause, I think CJ is the one with the most potential though.
They are both a little rash though, and go for everything, its an almost desperation to get the ball. The likeness to how John Stones is perfect, he also suffered this issue, desperate to get the ball, and jumping in and sliding around when it was never there to be won - John Stones has learnt to be a bit more patient.
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Pleased to see a bit of balance appearing here. Joe Wright has a lot of qualities that you’d want in a centre half, he’s tall, brave, decent on the ball, no slouch when he gets going. Sometimes it doesn’t all come together, but he’s seriously not been helped by being played out of position for so long. And, as others have pointed out, the defence has been left terribly exposed since Whiteman departed. Wright is worth keeping in my opinion. Exactly the same applies to Cameron John. A break and a fresh start here in pre-season would do all of our centre halves some good. And hopefully the new manager gets that midfield sorted.
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Imo Wright is in the same boat as John where since he moved to full back u can tell he isn’t a full back at all and that whenever he’s gone back to CB towards the end of the season he’s not looked the same player.
You’ve hit the nail on the head there. Both have the potential to be class centre halves but playing them as full backs appears to have completely shot their confidence. I’m struggling to think of a good centre half,past or present, who could cover as a full back.
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Pleased to see a bit of balance appearing here. Joe Wright has a lot of qualities that you’d want in a centre half, he’s tall, brave, decent on the ball, no slouch when he gets going. Sometimes it doesn’t all come together, but he’s seriously not been helped by being played out of position for so long. And, as others have pointed out, the defence has been left terribly exposed since Whiteman departed. Wright is worth keeping in my opinion. Exactly the same applies to Cameron John. A break and a fresh start here in pre-season would do all of our centre halves some good. And hopefully the new manager gets that midfield sorted.
Pleased Jonathan you and a few others can see what i can see. I was starting to get worried about my sanity reading so many posts that have the opposite view. :)
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Not sure anyone in the defensive unit I am afraid including Anderson appears to have real leadership. Too often it looks disorganised and partial. There is no clear leader in that defence.
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You are to hard on yourself CBCB
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Now amended!
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Doesn't seem to long ago that we were worried about losing him to higher opposition. As ScillyRover said earlier, playing him at right back has done him no favours at all. I seem to remember something similar with Jimmy O'Connor when he moved to centre back, he never seemed quite the same when returned to right back
He & Tom Anderson were excellent together early season, in their rightful positions, their partnership is easily good enough for league 1 with the right manager in charge in my opinion.
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To be fair we've been shipping goals all season with that pairing, it was only when Butler came back to pair Anderson we went on the unbeaten run
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He’s always worried me, even playing at centre half. Can’t believe a Championship club was interested in him tbh, although I know one was.
Hope is injury isn’t too bad and he finds another club !
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Doesn't seem to long ago that we were worried about losing him to higher opposition. As ScillyRover said earlier, playing him at right back has done him no favours at all. I seem to remember something similar with Jimmy O'Connor when he moved to centre back, he never seemed quite the same when returned to right back
Agree 100% Right manager, right tactics. Some proper protection from the midfield. No problem.
He & Tom Anderson were excellent together early season, in their rightful positions, their partnership is easily good enough for league 1 with the right manager in charge in my opinion.
There are many with short memories. They were excellent both in the first 3rd of the season before Butler came into the side in Dec. Also very good last season as a pair. We were pretty frugal as a defence ever since Moore arrived.
We scored more goals under McCann but we conceded more with him as the manager.
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Let him go. We need better.
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Doesn't seem to long ago that we were worried about losing him to higher opposition. As ScillyRover said earlier, playing him at right back has done him no favours at all. I seem to remember something similar with Jimmy O'Connor when he moved to centre back, he never seemed quite the same when returned to right back
Agree 100% Right manager, right tactics. Some proper protection from the midfield. No problem.
He & Tom Anderson were excellent together early season, in their rightful positions, their partnership is easily good enough for league 1 with the right manager in charge in my opinion.
There are many with short memories. They were excellent both in the first 3rd of the season before Butler came into the side in Dec. Also very good last season as a pair. We were pretty frugal as a defence ever since Moore arrived.
We scored more goals under McCann but we conceded more with him as the manager.
I wouldn’t say excellent first third of the season. 16 goals conceded in the first 13 games before Butler came into the side which is ok but not excellent. With Butler partnering Anderson, we conceded 5 in 10 - that record is excellent - until Anderson got KOd at Fleetwood. Since then we’ve conceded 46 goals in 23 games, which is an unmitigated disaster.
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Doesn't seem to long ago that we were worried about losing him to higher opposition. As ScillyRover said earlier, playing him at right back has done him no favours at all. I seem to remember something similar with Jimmy O'Connor when he moved to centre back, he never seemed quite the same when returned to right back
Agree 100% Right manager, right tactics. Some proper protection from the midfield. No problem.
He & Tom Anderson were excellent together early season, in their rightful positions, their partnership is easily good enough for league 1 with the right manager in charge in my opinion.
There are many with short memories. They were excellent both in the first 3rd of the season before Butler came into the side in Dec. Also very good last season as a pair. We were pretty frugal as a defence ever since Moore arrived.
We scored more goals under McCann but we conceded more with him as the manager.
I wouldn’t say excellent first third of the season. 16 goals conceded in the first 13 games before Butler came into the side which is ok but not excellent. With Butler partnering Anderson, we conceded 5 in 10 - that record is excellent - until Anderson got KOd at Fleetwood. Since then we’ve conceded 46 goals in 23 games, which is an unmitigated disaster.
This is exactly on the money.
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Some posters are blinkered when it comes to their favourites.
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And some are just blinkered
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Let him go. We need better.
If he doesn’t sign the contract we’ve offered him then how’s a better player going to accept those terms.
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Let him go. We need better.
If he doesn’t sign the contract we’ve offered him then how’s a better player going to accept those terms.
I suppose that if Wright thinks he is a Championship player and if he gets a move there he will significantly increase his wages.
The deal we offered would likely be a L1 sized deal so following that through, the deal we offered him would be ok for another L1 defender.
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Let him go. We need better.
If he doesn’t sign the contract we’ve offered him then how’s a better player going to accept those terms.
I suppose that if Wright thinks he is a Championship player and if he gets a move there he will significantly increase his wages.
The deal we offered would likely be a L1 sized deal so following that through, the deal we offered him would be ok for another L1 defender.
If keep on following through then we could have another nine players to sign to make the CEO’s 22 players. So let’s hope that better League one players will agree to the deals we offer.
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
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I agree there Steve.
I really dont want to end up with half a dozen on loan kids in the team next season.
We will definitely need a few experienced players.
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Let him go. We need better.
If he doesn’t sign the contract we’ve offered him then how’s a better player going to accept those terms.
I suppose that if Wright thinks he is a Championship player and if he gets a move there he will significantly increase his wages.
The deal we offered would likely be a L1 sized deal so following that through, the deal we offered him would be ok for another L1 defender.
If keep on following through then we could have another nine players to sign to make the CEO’s 22 players. So let’s hope that better League one players will agree to the deals we offer.
Following through? I'd check your undies old lad
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
The CEO has said aiming for top six and I believe part of the new managers brief will be that aim.
We won’t hear from any other higher source as they don’t talk to the supporters
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How many other clubs higher echelons regularly talk to their supporters?
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How many other clubs higher echelons regularly talk to their supporters?
I appreciate that the point is Sha66y said no body at the top as mentioned aiming for top six but GB has and that’s as high as we hear from
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
You seem to have a blind spot as far as top 6 expectations go, as though it's just wishful thinking on the part of us supporters.
I suggest that you start going to the MTO meetings, then you'll hear it spelled out emphatically by the club's hierarchy.
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If we are not aiming for the top 6 then we will never achieve it!!!
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I think the point is that whilst the ambition may still be top six, the position is not one where we can confidently expect it to happen. It might happen, but with a brand new squad, a brand new manager and a legacy of failure, it'll be a monster of an achievement if it does happen.
BobG
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
You seem to have a blind spot as far as top 6 expectations go, as though it's just wishful thinking on the part of us supporters.
I suggest that you start going to the MTO meetings, then you'll hear it spelled out emphatically by the club's hierarchy.
They could all don trilby’s and start singing it through megaphones..... the reality speaks for itself, we do not have the resources to not only get to the giddy heights but stay there...
We are going to either keep all these heartless soulless out of contract players or replace them.........and if the latter, that’s going to be a lot of upheaval.....
I predict a season of struggle and a flirt with the lower depths of league 1, and I won’t be on the clubs back if right....
Irrespective of what is said at the MTO ....take it with a pinch of salt,.... we have to rebuild and bed in a squad that we haven’t assembled yet...
Let’s just say, we hope to do better than we did this season.....
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
You seem to have a blind spot as far as top 6 expectations go, as though it's just wishful thinking on the part of us supporters.
I suggest that you start going to the MTO meetings, then you'll hear it spelled out emphatically by the club's hierarchy.
They could all don trilby’s and start singing it through megaphones..... the reality speaks for itself, we do not have the resources to not only get to the giddy heights but stay there...
We are going to either keep all these heartless soulless out of contract players or replace them.........and if the latter, that’s going to be a lot of upheaval.....
I predict a season of struggle and a flirt with the lower depths of league 1, and I won’t be on the clubs back if right....
Irrespective of what is said at the MTO ....take it with a pinch of salt,.... we have to rebuild and bed in a squad that we haven’t assembled yet...
Let’s just say, we hope to do better than we did this season.....
So we take what the board says with a pinch of salt, and listen to your suggestions instead?
OK.
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
Whooooaaaaaaaa!!!
Ease up there...nobody at the top has even mentioned the aim of achieving a top six place....
and this is exactly were the problems begin....expectation !
Firstly...did you watch this season?...if so you can see the problems we have going forward, so how on earth can anyone say we aim for a top six place when it’s patently obvious we are going to be rebuilding ....
Let’s hope the MTO reflects what they would LIKE to achieve rather than what they AIM to achieve....it’s only a word but it’s a gulf apart....
You seem to have a blind spot as far as top 6 expectations go, as though it's just wishful thinking on the part of us supporters.
I suggest that you start going to the MTO meetings, then you'll hear it spelled out emphatically by the club's hierarchy.
They could all don trilby’s and start singing it through megaphones..... the reality speaks for itself, we do not have the resources to not only get to the giddy heights but stay there...
We are going to either keep all these heartless soulless out of contract players or replace them.........and if the latter, that’s going to be a lot of upheaval.....
I predict a season of struggle and a flirt with the lower depths of league 1, and I won’t be on the clubs back if right....
Irrespective of what is said at the MTO ....take it with a pinch of salt,.... we have to rebuild and bed in a squad that we haven’t assembled yet...
Let’s just say, we hope to do better than we did this season.....
So we take what the board says with a pinch of salt, and listen to your suggestions instead?
OK.
Got a sneaky feeling the board will be on my wave length, ...it’s the easiest way ahead, softly,softly ...easy as she goes.......and for the record, they aren’t my suggestions, if you take into consideration the following:
Covid affected revenue
Crap second half to season
Team to be dismantled
Contracts to be negotiated
New team to be assembled
New manager to pick team
This is a recipe for a slow start unless we get lucky....
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Any news on Wrights injury?
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The time is right for Wright to move on.
He has never quite fulfilled his potential and has also been 'unlucky' with injuries.
Early on this season, he looked as though he may have shaken off his inconsistency but alas, his frailties returned.
He may believe in his own ability which is fair enough but there will be other good young centre halfs out there who might actually fulfill their potential. We might even see Cameron John really come of age. Ben Blythe could have that potential too.
There may also be more established players out there in the category of Anderson and Downing for example who could easily fill Wrights boots.
We should not be lamenting the loss of players who haven't commanded a starting position for long enough in the hope they may come good one day.
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Aren’t you contradicting yourself a bit, there, DBR? Particularly your last sentence? Ben Blythe we havn’t really seen yet (although I’ve watched him in the u18’s) and CJ has been inconsistent, also.
I get your point about not lamenting the loss of Wright, but the squad, currently, is full of those kinds of players.
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Just because player A may be on more than Player B doesn’t necessarily make him any better. There will be dozens of examples of better players on lower wages .
Well firestarter I hope you are right and they have experience of league 1 to be able to achieve the aim of top six.
With the teams in League 1 next season, the squad we have and the budget we’re looking like we will have, top six looks like a pipe dream.
Not that I’ll lose too much sleep about Joe Wright leaving, clumsy player. John is a miles better prospect.
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I think Blackpool at this time last year were in a very similar position to what we find ourselves in now.
They built a decent squad and finished in the top six, and with our weaknesses this season a top six finish for ourselves was not beyond the realms of possibility until late on.
There is a core here that has been decent and could be built around, some of the players being discounted have for three years been on the fringe of the top six, Wright one of those, and if he does leave it is because another club wants him.
If he does leave the best of luck to him, and will take some replacing, although Huddersfield have let a couple of decent experienced central and back four players go, and they will not be the only ones on the market on free's.
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I think Blackpool at this time last year were in a very similar position to what we find ourselves in now.
They built a decent squad and finished in the top six, and with our weaknesses this season a top six finish for ourselves was not beyond the realms of possibility until late on.
There is a core here that has been decent and could be built around, some of the players being discounted have for three years been on the fringe of the top six, Wright one of those, and if he does leave it is because another club wants him.
If he does leave the best of luck to him, and will take some replacing, although Huddersfield have let a couple of decent experienced central and back four players go, and they will not be the only ones on the market on free's.
Blackpool spent a lot of money on wages.
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Has anyone heard how Joe Wright is getting on with his rehab?
Radio silence from all on this.
Reason I ask is to know whether he might be a recruit in January.
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Has anyone heard how Joe Wright is getting on with his rehab?
Radio silence from all on this.
Reason I ask is to know whether he might be a recruit in January.
Would be very happy to see him sign a new contract if he could be persuaded and subject to a full recovery from his injury.
He was a decent player at this level and far better than Williams has been for us that’s for sure.
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It was said last time there was an update on Wright that he likely wouldn't be fit this season, so I doubt he will factor in to January at all.
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Not sure why there would be an update. He’s not our player any more.
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Could we sign him as a free agent after the Jan window, subject to his recovery, or is there a cut off date after Jan for signings?
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Did he actually sign for another club?
If not, is he not a free agent?
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We’ve got enough injured players without recruiting them :lol:
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I’m sure there was to be an ongoing dialogue between player and Club.
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Not sure our defence last season was anything we should be seeking to replicate. This season is dreadful, last season was not good.
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https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1615828173823909906?s=46&t=ygJPp-kCpJ-oP1MUE7pNRw
What a strike that is!
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Took that well
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He did .... well done to him
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Some volley that. Think he's scored a few now. Good to see him doing well.
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As well as he hit it remember Gary Woods made a career up there so the standard of goalkeeping is meh.
This particular strike was however rather good