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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: normal rules on December 12, 2021, 02:39:06 pm
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I’m not a big fan, but that’s a win for formula one as a sport.
Interestingly, the Latifi crash possibly involved Schumacher.
Had Hamilton gone on to win, he would have broken his dads record.
One for the conspiracy theorists.
Lots of acrimony to come over this no doubt.
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It's a disgraceful decision. It's an abuse of the rules. Only 4 cars let to unlap themselves? Not then allowed to catch up to the back of the pack, and only happened after Red Bull got on the radio to complain about it. A good year decided by people sat in an office misusing the rules for the value of 'excitement'... But at what cost to the integrity of the sport?
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I’m not a big fan, but that’s a win for formula one as a sport.
Interestingly, the Latifi crash possibly involved Schumacher.
Had Hamilton gone on to win, he would have broken his dads record.
One for the conspiracy theorists.
Lots of acrimony to come over this no doubt.
That was not a win for F1 or FIA, it was a disgraceful decision, you either let all lapped cars pass or none at all, Horner moans and the FIA kisses his arse
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It's a disgraceful decision. It's an abuse of the rules. Only 4 cars let to unlap themselves? Not then allowed to catch up to the back of the pack, and only happened after Red Bull got on the radio to complain about it. A good year decided by people sat in an office misusing the rules for the value of 'excitement'... But at what cost to the integrity of the sport?
Absolutely. This 'fix' to established rules will set F1 back years.
That wasn't sport. Its the equivalent of a team 12-0 up being told by the ref that next goal wins.
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I’m not a big fan, but that’s a win for formula one as a sport.
Interestingly, the Latifi crash possibly involved Schumacher.
Had Hamilton gone on to win, he would have broken his dads record.
One for the conspiracy theorists.
Lots of acrimony to come over this no doubt.
That was not a win for F1 or FIA, it was a disgraceful decision, you either let all lapped cars pass or none at all, Horner moans and the FIA kisses his arse
You miss my point. I don’t imply I agree. It’s a win for the sport, as a spectacle. Controversy, drama. Big big decisions. Right or wrong.
I don’t give a hoot about f1 but today I got interested. In the drama, in the spectacle.
Lewis winning again. No drama, no spectacle.
Massive massive shout by those behind the scenes. And Mercedes have appealed.
F1 has generated a lot more interest, which means ultimately more money.
The FIA will never overturn a decision against themselves.
Sets it up for next season already.
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I can see this rumbling on for a while yet, maybe even to the CAS. Could be an interesting few weeks to come. But Masi has created a real sh1t storm to come.
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Can someone explain to me, in as basic terms as possible, what happened please? I have no clue when it comes to F1.
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Absolute joke of a decision for me given the way the regulations are worded. They clearly say the message to unlap needs to go to ALL teams, and then ALL drivers are required to unlap themselves. It then also says after the last car has unlapped itself the safety car must come in at the end of THE FOLLOWING LAP. Neither of those things happened. Verstappen has done an amazing job through the season, but if the regulations were applied correctly that race should have finished under the safety car with Hamilton as the champ.
Get ready for some bs about the regulations being a 'framework' and the race director having discretion in terms of how they're applied though.
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Can someone explain to me, in as basic terms as possible, what happened please? I have no clue when it comes to F1.
A safety car situation happened with 5 laps to go due to a crash.
Under safety car conditions all cars follow the safety car and are not allowed to overtake.
Under the regulations the people who control the race can allow any car that has been lapped to unlap themselves by overtaking everybody including the safety before restarting the race.
On this occasion there were several cars between Hamilton (in position 1) and Verstappen. The race director decided that only the cars in between the 2 of them were allowed to unlap themselves. This meant that there was enough time to do the last lap under race conditions, with Verstappen having brand new tires because he'd just done a pitstop, leaving Hamilton a sitting duck.
If the regulations were applied correctly (by allowing all lapped cars to unlap themselves and the safety car completing 1 adidtional lap), there wouldn't have been enough time (in terms of laps) for all cars to unlap themselves and still race, so the race would have ended with Hamilton as the winner.
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Absolute joke of a decision for me given the way the regulations are worded. They clearly say the message to unlap needs to go to ALL teams, and then ALL drivers are required to unlap themselves. It then also says after the last car has unlapped itself the safety car must come in at the end of THE FOLLOWING LAP. Neither of those things happened. Verstappen has done an amazing job through the season, but if the regulations were applied correctly that race should have finished under the safety car with Hamilton as the champ.
Get ready for some bs about the regulations being a 'framework' and the race director having discretion in terms of how they're applied though.
The original directive was that no lapped cars were allowed to unlap themselves leaving four cars between Lewis and Max, then moaner Horner got into the race directors head and the directive was changed to allow only the four cars to unlap themselves, leaving Max to come up right behind Lewis on nearly new softs, once they took that decision they effectively handed Max the world title. Mercedes didn’t have time to question that decision before the last lap started, not Max’s fault and not Lewis fault, the fault of the FIA and race director. The right thing to do is declare the race finished at the start of the safety car
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Can someone explain to me, in as basic terms as possible, what happened please? I have no clue when it comes to F1.
A safety car situation happened with 5 laps to go due to a crash.
Under safety car conditions all cars follow the safety car and are not allowed to overtake.
Under the regulations the people who control the race can allow any car that has been lapped to unlap themselves by overtaking everybody including the safety before restarting the race.
On this occasion there were several cars between Hamilton (in position 1) and Verstappen. The race director decided that only the cars in between the 2 of them were allowed to unlap themselves. This meant that there was enough time to do the last lap under race conditions, with Verstappen having brand new tires because he'd just done a pitstop, leaving Hamilton a sitting duck.
If the regulations were applied correctly (by allowing all lapped cars to unlap themselves and the safety car completing 1 adidtional lap), there wouldn't have been enough time (in terms of laps) for all cars to unlap themselves and still race, so the race would have ended with Hamilton as the winner.
I appreciate it. Thank you.
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I couldn't give two tosses about F1 and I know even less about it. But having just seen the footage on the news, that is absolutely farcical. How can you have a sport where the first 95% of the contest is over-ruled by an arbitrary ruling that, as Nigel says, makes in next goal winner.
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Absolute joke of a decision for me given the way the regulations are worded. They clearly say the message to unlap needs to go to ALL teams, and then ALL drivers are required to unlap themselves. It then also says after the last car has unlapped itself the safety car must come in at the end of THE FOLLOWING LAP. Neither of those things happened. Verstappen has done an amazing job through the season, but if the regulations were applied correctly that race should have finished under the safety car with Hamilton as the champ.
Get ready for some bs about the regulations being a 'framework' and the race director having discretion in terms of how they're applied though.
The original directive was that no lapped cars were allowed to unlap themselves leaving four cars between Lewis and Max, then moaner Horner got into the race directors head and the directive was changed to allow only the four cars to unlap themselves, leaving Max to come up right behind Lewis on nearly new softs, once they took that decision they effectively handed Max the world title. Mercedes didn’t have time to question that decision before the last lap started, not Max’s fault and not Lewis fault, the fault of the FIA and race director. The right thing to do is declare the race finished at the start of the safety car
Completely agree. Some say that would be punishing Max but I disagree. It's not a penalty. It's not him being penalised. Yes it's taking a title away from him that he thinks he's won but that's an emotional thing, not a logical one, because he wouldn't have been in this position in the first place if the regs had been correctly applied.
I don't even really blame Christian Horner that much....his moaning does my head in...but both team principals will fight for their teams. I blame Masi for not being strong enough in dealing with it and trying to hard to make it a spectacle. Any other race and it would have ended under the safety car.
Whoever loses this decision is clearly going to appeal. Wouldn't be surprised if it goes all the way to CAS.
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I couldn't give two tosses about F1 and I know even less about it. But having just seen the footage on the news, that is absolutely farcical. How can you have a sport where the first 95% of the contest is over-ruled by an arbitrary ruling that, as Nigel says, makes in next goal winner.
And that's the point...if there were enough laps left to follow the regs properly, and that resulted in Max overtaking Lewis then I wouldn't have an issue with it. You see it all the time in the sport where a safety car closes up the gap a leader has built up...it sucks for the leader, but that's where race strategy becomes so important and it's a team sport. It's also one of the reasons why "Virtual" Safety Cars were brought in. But in this case the rules simply were not followed by the people in charge.
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Max confirmed champion.
This will go to court no doubt now.
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Max confirmed champion.
This will go to court no doubt now.
We certainly haven’t heard the last of this. Some lawyers are going to get richer out of this
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Max confirmed champion.
This will go to court no doubt now.
And so it should, why have rules if the race director ignores the rules and trumps them?
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The fact they're saying that regulation 48.13 negates 48.12 is insane because 48.13 is procedural in that it is how the situation is handled every single time...meaning 48.12 is actually a waste of ink...
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Not a big fan of Hamilton but he’s been shafted there
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A crash is a crash is a crash whenever it happens
Masi was determined to finish the race with at least one last lap of racing .... which was wrong imo.
It should have restarted using the protocol for a restart with the track declared open again , and ALL lapped cars being allowed to pass the safety car when instructed
Once the last one has passed they are free to zoom round to join the back of the pack and so they are NOT in the way of the restart
Once they have all gone past the Rules state that the Safety Car must complete 1 more complete lap so if the last lapped car overtakes the Safety Car with 10 yards to go before the Line the SC then goes for one more Lap (plus that 10 yards) but if the last car passes the SC 10 yards after the Line then SC has to complete that Lap but then go for a further (complete) Lap
Masi was desperate for a finish to the big race but by the rules he had to instruct ALL lapped cars to go past SC but his plan was scuppered as there were not enough laps left
So he tried a fudge and was going to allow the lapped cars to stay where they were between Ham and Verstappen which would have been fairer but Cristian Moaner got on the horn and pressured him to let the past BUT only the 4 and once they had gone he CANT legally start the race simply by calling the SC in because it had to do a full lap
So Ham was done up like a kipper and Masi should lose his job AND F1 is a big loser with all the potential new Fans thinking - wtf was that all about
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BLM
Beaten last minute.
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To all of you who have suddenly become “experts” in f1 regulations. The 4 page adjudication document is at the top of this Reddit thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/revt58/decision_mercedes_protest_art_4812/
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Regardless of your completely unnecessary condescending input on this thread, I stand by my thoughts on the situation being a case of the house backing the house, the inconsistency of the regulations being applied based on precedent, and that those regulations are contradictory in nature based on their interpretation for this one specific race, which was interpreted differently than any race that has gone before.
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
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Sounds like sour grapes to me!……fnar!
I can’t say how pleased I am that that arrogant playboy lost….
And the unfairness of the decision only adds to my pleasure…
Sorry to offend anyone but Hamilton is on my list of what is wrong with this world
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
If the other cars were allowed to unlap then Sainz would have been in 3rd right behind Max with fresh softs on, it’s not beyond the bounds of possibilty that Sainz could have dived down the inside of Max, but that scenario was taken away by a bent race director
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
It would have been chaotic to start the race with a load of lapped cars in the way, i can certainly see why those rules were applied, but surely it wouldn't have taken much longer to let the other (3?) cars through, isn't the main beef that normally lapped cars are given a whole extra lap under the safety car to catch the field up? Whereas yesterday as soon as the last one (Vettel?) was through the safety car lights went out.
I'm pleased Verstappen won, i think its good for the sport to have different winners, but the manner in which it happened was very unsatisfactory and felt like manufactured drama.
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
It would have been chaotic to start the race with a load of lapped cars in the way, i can certainly see why those rules were applied, but surely it wouldn't have taken much longer to let the other (3?) cars through, isn't the main beef that normally lapped cars are given a whole extra lap under the safety car to catch the field up? Whereas yesterday as soon as the last one (Vettel?) was through the safety car lights went out.
I'm pleased Verstappen won, i think its good for the sport to have different winners, but the manner in which it happened was very unsatisfactory and felt like manufactured drama.
i can certainly see why those rules were applied , i am no expert on motor racing rules , but the rules were not followed that's the issue , you can not make them up as you go along even if its not the outcome you want.
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Sounds like sour grapes to me!……fnar!
I can’t say how pleased I am that that arrogant playboy lost….
And the unfairness of the decision only adds to my pleasure…
Sorry to offend anyone but Hamilton is on my list of what is wrong with this world
Verstappen has lived in Monaco since October 2015, claiming it was not for tax reasons.* wiki
You support for the down to earth millionaire tax dodger is very touching.
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Hamilton lives in Monaco too.
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
It would have been chaotic to start the race with a load of lapped cars in the way, i can certainly see why those rules were applied, but surely it wouldn't have taken much longer to let the other (3?) cars through, isn't the main beef that normally lapped cars are given a whole extra lap under the safety car to catch the field up? Whereas yesterday as soon as the last one (Vettel?) was through the safety car lights went out.
I'm pleased Verstappen won, i think its good for the sport to have different winners, but the manner in which it happened was very unsatisfactory and felt like manufactured drama.
I agree ... it would be chaotic and I can't recall a race where the lapped cars were left in place
In my last big post that you quote I did say Masi had 2 legal ways to restart the Race
There may have been a 3rd way to act and that would be to throw the Red Flag which would then have counted as a result (but as somebody pointed out earlier,) the Rules are complex
Masi's mistake was going for a restart after letting half the lapped Cars past and then immediately getting the SC off the track
It is and was wrong legally on 2 counts and this will run and run
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I make a prediction that eventually they will annul the whole race and no points will be given to anyone which will leave MV and LH level on points but the Belgian born Dutchman will take the title by virtue of more wins
The last bit is pure conjecture of course and won't be as accurate as my prediction that we would beat Shrewsbury
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Hamilton lives in Monaco too.
Yes but you have already said you don't like Hamilton. I'm just wondering what the difference is between multimillionaire tax dodger 'yob'* Max Verstappen, with his $6million yacht, and Monaco resident but UK taxpayer and noted charitable worker, Lewis Hamilton, that makes you think one is arrogant and the other one isn't?
*Jeremy Clarkson - presumably refering to the community service Verstappen had to do for assaulting another driver
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Wrong person. I did not say I did not like Hamilton.
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Agree it is a totally unacceptable decision but once Masi chose his "hybrid" decision to let only 4 cars past to "make a grandstand / exciting" finish he had cooked the books but they have closed in around him
They are defending the indefensible as he looked to have only 2 legal options
a) allow lapped cars past SC but that means all of them - and then SC had to do one more. That would mean the laps would run out but crashes happen - and finishing behind SC isnt ideal but "tough luck"
b) in his remit he could choose to leave the Lapped cars where they were and start race once track was cleared. Verstappen would have 2 or 3 laps to catch Lew but at least he would benefit from lapped Cars being told he was there and Blue Flags telling them a faster car is behind you - move over
I have never known this to be done but it was legal
What he chose to do, directly in contravention of the rules he is supposed to work to and make others uphold was firstly let half of the Cars past but secondly let the S Car leave the track straight away instead of making it do one more Lap
Both those are against their Rules so he made a mess for FIA and the sport
It would have been chaotic to start the race with a load of lapped cars in the way, i can certainly see why those rules were applied, but surely it wouldn't have taken much longer to let the other (3?) cars through, isn't the main beef that normally lapped cars are given a whole extra lap under the safety car to catch the field up? Whereas yesterday as soon as the last one (Vettel?) was through the safety car lights went out.
I'm pleased Verstappen won, i think its good for the sport to have different winners, but the manner in which it happened was very unsatisfactory and felt like manufactured drama.
I agree ... it would be chaotic and I can't recall a race where the lapped cars were left in place
In my last big post that you quote I did say Masi had 2 legal ways to restart the Race
There may have been a 3rd way to act and that would be to throw the Red Flag which would then have counted as a result (but as somebody pointed out earlier,) the Rules are complex
Masi's mistake was going for a restart after letting half the lapped Cars past and then immediately getting the SC off the track
It is and was wrong legally on 2 counts and this will run and run
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I make a prediction that eventually they will annul the whole race and no points will be given to anyone which will leave MV and LH level on points but the Belgian born Dutchman will take the title by virtue of more wins
The last bit is pure conjecture of course and won't be as accurate as my prediction that we would beat Shrewsbury
There were a few seasons during Red Bull's dominant years before turbo hybrid era where the lapped cars were not allowed to unlap themselves during a safety car, the theory was they would be blue flagged anyway and quickly cleared, but it caused pure chaos in a couple of races and the rule was quickly brought back.
As for Masi, as the Race Director he does have overriding authority over the use of the Safety Car during the race weekend (article 15.3).
Controversial? Definitely. Blatantly against the rules, I don't think so. We have to remember this unfolded over the course of about 5 minutes, these cars are still going round at around 90MPH behind the safety car, it's not like other sports where you could stop the race and take time to study all the options before making a sound judgement. During safety car his primary concern is to clear the obstacle/danger on track and then let racing resume in a safe and fair manner.
I believe a Red Flag can only be brought out if allowing the cars to remain on track behind the safety car would put drivers, circuit staff or spectators at risk, Masi did say throughout the race weekend in his various media interviews that it was very likely a T14 incident would not result in a Red Flag unless it was a big crash.
He also maintained in the protest hearing (according to documents published) that all the teams agreed that they didn't want the final race of the season to end behind a safety car. So it would appear he made a judgement call to get the lapped cars out of the way so there was a race to the line for the top two in the race who also happened to be the top two in the title fight.
I believe the 5 cars that were allowed to unlap themselves were those fighting for the final point positions (7th - 11th) whereas the rest not lapped were not fighting for points so unlapping them would have little affect on points (I'm sure Riccardo in P12 would disagree). Whilst this is my opinion of why they came to that decision, I don't particularly agree with it, had the instruction came through before T5 there was time for all lapped cars to unlap themselves.
I'm afraid I can't see it being overturned, for that to happen to FIA would have to overturn their own ruling, which would have to overturn the race result which would then overturn the Drivers Championship - it's just too big a U-turn to happen and would bring far more damage to the sport than anything that happened in yesterday's race. Since buying F1, Liberty Media have gone to great lengths to try and reach a wider audience with the sport and whilst there has been questions raised over how the race ended yesterday, it has raised the profile of the sport and I can't see them allowing arguably the most tense final lap in decades be ruled null and void in a courtroom.
One thing I will say however, I've not enjoyed listening to the pitwalls battering the race director and stewards during the race this season, and yesterday was equally bad by both Toto and Horner.
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I have to bow to your opinion there with that Username particularly ;
I'm afraid I can't see it being overturned, for that to happen to FIA would have to overturn their own ruling
& definetely
One thing I will say however, I've not enjoyed listening to the pitwalls battering the race director and stewards during the race this season, and yesterday was equally bad by both Toto and Horner.
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I believe the 5 cars that were allowed to unlap themselves were those fighting for the final point positions (7th - 11th) whereas the rest not lapped were not fighting for points so unlapping them would have little affect on points (I'm sure Riccardo in P12 would disagree). Whilst this is my opinion of why they came to that decision, I don't particularly agree with it, had the instruction came through before T5 there was time for all lapped cars to unlap themselves.
If there were unlapped cars behind the leaders, the lapped cars could not be the ones fighting for the points.
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Hamilton lives in Monaco too.
Yes but you have already said you don't like Hamilton. I'm just wondering what the difference is between multimillionaire tax dodger 'yob'* Max Verstappen, with his $6million yacht, and Monaco resident but UK taxpayer and noted charitable worker, Lewis Hamilton, that makes you think one is arrogant and the other one isn't?
*Jeremy Clarkson - presumably refering to the community service Verstappen had to do for assaulting another driver
Clarkson calling someone a yob for punching a colleague??
Has he forgotten this incident from his past that led to him and his 2 posh/odd chums leaving the BBC?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35648682
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A funny tweet from Dan Walker following the balls up of the UEFA CL draw.
He said that Max Verstapen has been declared the winner of this seasons Champions League.
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I have to bow to your opinion there with that Username particularly ;
I'm afraid I can't see it being overturned, for that to happen to FIA would have to overturn their own ruling
& definetely
One thing I will say however, I've not enjoyed listening to the pitwalls battering the race director and stewards during the race this season, and yesterday was equally bad by both Toto and Horner.
Its an element of the sport that has been hidden until fairly recently and its a whole different aspect, squabbling over penalties, bartering and gamesmanship and trying everything to gain an advantage. Fascinating to hear it though.
Must say the coverage provided is fantastic, what an insight. Can't imagine the resource required to monitor all that radio traffic between 20 engineers and drivers and 10 teams and the race director and decide what to send to air (after bleeping out the expletives!), often within seconds of it being heard live.
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I believe the 5 cars that were allowed to unlap themselves were those fighting for the final point positions (7th - 11th) whereas the rest not lapped were not fighting for points so unlapping them would have little affect on points (I'm sure Riccardo in P12 would disagree). Whilst this is my opinion of why they came to that decision, I don't particularly agree with it, had the instruction came through before T5 there was time for all lapped cars to unlap themselves.
If there were unlapped cars behind the leaders, the lapped cars could not be the ones fighting for the points.
Carlos Sainz in 3rd place was fighting for points but wasn’t allowed to race because the lapped cars in front of him were n’t allowed through
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My final say is one I can't even articulate . I've tried to tell some people but it's never worked yet so writing it might not work either
Masi had to make a big decision in - as they said on Sky "minutes or even seconds"
He did but his mistake was to generate a scenario where the race could be decided "in running" BUT there was no ideal way to do it once Latife had crashed
It would have been a bit of an anti climax to run under the SC for the last 5 laps but that's F1 and if Latife had crashed 1 or 2 laps later THAT would have been that, no time for a restart and the race would have ended that way anyway and most F1 fans would have understood
That would be an unfortunate way to end but it would be "motorsport"
Imo lots of fans would have understood as it's happened before and it will happen again and (again my opinion) would have preferred it to the contrived finish that Masi eventually concocted
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.,. and one which probably (no one can say for certain) altered the result and the F1 World Championship winner
I say that as even 6 laps behind SC could still have had drama and Ham could have had troubles (we will never know)
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Wrong person. I did not say I did not like Hamilton.
You are correct normal, my apologies
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I have to bow to your opinion there with that Username particularly ;
I'm afraid I can't see it being overturned, for that to happen to FIA would have to overturn their own ruling
& definetely
One thing I will say however, I've not enjoyed listening to the pitwalls battering the race director and stewards during the race this season, and yesterday was equally bad by both Toto and Horner.
That's right Wolfie. If they learn and change anything from this debacle it should be that no-one other than an offical gets to talk to the race director during a race - thus he can make his decisions without any outside intereference.
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Masi didn’t want the Championship decided under a safety car, but was happy to start a race under a safety car, let the cars drive round Spa for 2 laps under the safety car and then award half points for the race. That was another daft decision by the race director, and for me another reason why he should be asked to step down or sacked from his position.