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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on December 27, 2021, 12:33:24 pm
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Sky commentators just mentioned "rumours of new ownership"
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I just heard the same
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Probably someone from Sky reading one of the wackier twitterati's Christmas wishes.
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Rumour Mill letting us down here ?
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Rumour Mill letting us down here ?
For something that's just been mentioned on a national tv station?
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I think they may have been referring to the manager.
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Is this where the new funding is coming from?
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Just for context, this same commentator has called our Matt Smith a Wales international. He obviously has no clue.
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Just for context, this same commentator has called our Matt Smith a Wales international. He obviously has no clue.
He can't even see that we're playing in hoops!
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Sky commentators just mentioned "rumours of new ownership"
Doncaster Council want their stadium back ?
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We never get rumours in the rumour mill, nobody knows anything, apart from those close to the board, who can’t say anything.
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Just for context, this same commentator has called our Matt Smith a Wales international. He obviously has no clue.
He can't even see that we're playing in hoops!
Maybe the shirts are inside out !
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Maybe Kirchner pulled out of buying Derby to buy Rovers
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Sky have been talking shite all game. I'd ignore this.
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Sky have been talking shite all game. I'd ignore this.
it wouldn't surprise me that they think there' new ownership just because the ground's changed name.
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Sky have been talking shite all game. I'd ignore this.
it wouldn't surprise me that they think there' new ownership just because the ground's changed name.
They'll have just made it up.
At one point the commentator was talking about a 5 man shortlist as if it was hot off the press.
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I thought it was a 2 man list
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I thought it was a 2 man list
It is but Sky haven't bothered to do their research.
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Having said that didn’t I see reported that the board said they would like to make us more attractive to any prospective new owners ?
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It's an easy communication by the club to relay that the commentator was ill informed.
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Odd thing to say with no substance isn't it?
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It's an easy communication by the club to relay that the commentator was ill informed.
There's no need to say owt if Sky are ill informed.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
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You can imagine them doing basic research and linking Dick and Terry to Keepmoat, then seeing stadium name change and thinking that made any kind of difference.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
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Andy Butler just tweeted big 2022 take it however you want, we’re all hoping for some form of large scale investment
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Think Butler was at game today.
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Andy Butler just tweeted big 2022 take it however you want, we’re all hoping for some for of large scale investment
Whoever takes over as manager needs to get AB back in the tent. Local lad, knows the DNA of the club, and also draws a line under the previous administration.
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If the takeover is true, what we need is a new owner with much more money than sense
COYR
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Think Butler was at game today.
He was in the West Stand
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There was the article in the press linking Rovers with that bloke from Sports Direct, a while back.
Perhaps they are still reffering to that?
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If the takeover is true, what we need is a new owner with much more money than sense
COYR
So what you are saying .. don’t waste your money on DRFC !!
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be rejuvinating.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
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If the takeover is true, what we need is a new owner with much more money than sense
COYR
So what you are saying .. don’t waste your money on DRFC !!
No that’s not what I’m saying at all.
COYR
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
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Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
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Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?
It’s the old adage “that you only get what you pay for” or as they say In Yorkshire “it’s owt for nowt”.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a national lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
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I think it's acceptable to say the current board are doing their best but also saying that the club needs more. That's not necessarily the fault of the current owners but the increasing financial demand in football.
My only criticism of their strategies is an inability to create wealth and growth through development of the playing squad. Again in the summer there was not enough focus on building a long term squad. They need to resolve that to be successful.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank? What i am saying is that you can't assume that all new ownership would be bad as SM has suggested or that the current regime have done a fabulous job.. as part of another regime with another chairman some built a great infrastructure.. since then the fabric has been crumbling with little signs of long term planning proving fruitful on the pitch.. its been short termism until the wheels came off ...
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank?
You've been coming out with the same thing for ages (which is your prerogative) with zero impact. You may have to face the fact the club's not run off outputs from an internet forum. How about organising a protest outside the ground to get your points across?
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I know eco power owners. They don’t have the money to find a club. Not at the minute anyway
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank? What i am saying is that you can't assume that all new ownership would be bad as SM has suggested or that the current regime have done a fabulous job.. as part of another regime with another chairman some built a great infrastructure.. since then the fabric has been crumbling with little signs of long term planning proving fruitful on the pitch.. its been short termism until the wheels came off ...
I’d be careful what you say as you may find you can no longer post on here. Just a friendly warning.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank? What i am saying is that you can't assume that all new ownership would be bad as SM has suggested or that the current regime have done a fabulous job.. as part of another regime with another chairman some built a great infrastructure.. since then the fabric has been crumbling with little signs of long term planning proving fruitful on the pitch.. its been short termism until the wheels came off ...
I’d be careful what you say as you may find you can no longer post on here. Just a friendly warning.
Terrible. Have you informed the UN?
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank?
You've been coming out with the same thing for ages (which is your prerogative) with zero impact. You may have to face the fact the club's not run off outputs from an internet forum. How about organising a protest outside the ground to get your points across?
If things continue as is the unrest will grow.. if your advocating a protest you do it.. if your happy as is thats your perogative but if I have been commenting as such for a while its because the utter mess on the pitch has infolded over time and recruitment dreadful and things have got worse not better...
What do you suggest yourself Vaya.. sit on your own hands or bury your head in the sand and say all is well.. .thats how your coming across.. the board appointed Wellens, they appointed Butler, they oversaw the debacle on transfer deadline day or last January and summer recruitment..
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank?
You've been coming out with the same thing for ages (which is your prerogative) with zero impact. You may have to face the fact the club's not run off outputs from an internet forum. How about organising a protest outside the ground to get your points across?
If things continue as is the unrest will grow.. if your advocating a protest you do it.. if your happy as is thats your perogative but if I have been commenting as such for a while its because the utter mess on the pitch has infolded over time and recruitment dreadful and things have got worse not better...
What do you suggest yourself Vaya.. sit on your own hands or bury your head in the sand and say all is well.. .thats how your coming across.. the board appointed Wellens, they appointed Butler, they oversaw the debacle on transfer deadline day or last January and summer recruitment..
..and they're still here and you're still not doing anything about it.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So, let's just clarify what we're saying here.
I think it's fair to say, we wouldn't have got to the Championship without Dick and Terry since they came on board around 2005 ish? Do they not get any glory or credit for the finance they've put in since then?
Had they not come on board and we'd be hovering around League Two and League One, what would be the attitude towards JR I wonder?
When we were in the Championship first time round, we got better value for the money put in and since then, the market has changed completely and it's become blatantly obvious it's much more difficult to operate financially in the second tier.
So much so, JR couldn't sustain his commitment, leaving Dick & Terry. So, are we saying since JR and sadly DW were lost, TB should have at least trippled his financial commitment?
At least TB, DW and GB had the acumen to create additional finance through Club Doncaster to make up for some of the other co‐owners finance.
I certainly suspect had TB & DW not come along, JR would have left sometime ago, after getting pig sick of the same unfair criticism from the same supporters accusing him of no ambition!
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Donny in York,
I’m not going to quote all your previous posts as the thread becomes unreadable.
However I am going to point out the mistakes you’ve made in those posts. Firstly I did not suggest that all new ownership would be bad, what I did say is that there’s no guarantee that new ownership brings success and new investment. We, as the FSA, deal with supporter groups at clubs up and down the country who find that it’s more common to go backwards than forwards.
That’s not an opinion, it’s our experience.
Secondly you’re making the same mistake you always make when we discuss boards and ownership by equating success on the pitch with a successful board. The two are not the same thing. You talk about the best board by quoting success by results, and that’s not what I mean at all.
That’s my opinion, but one supported by knowledge and experience of dealing with the club for a number of years.
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And the excuse carry on !!!
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Ridsdale brought success on the pitch for Leeds... For a while.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
OR it can be a revocation.. fresh ideas and investment. Lets just spin it as if it would have to be a bad thing. Right now the current regime are not covering themselves in glory and achievements are they?!
But they have done haven’t they?
You can spin it as much as you like but these are the best owners of this club in my lifetime.
Performances on the pitch are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn’t mean we should change owners, that’s a far bigger gamble than a change of manager.
The current Board is the not the best board ever.. that included John Ryan who should have a statue outside the stadium and included Dick Watson. We've had this argument before. The board in its current guise has been in place either since Ryan left in Nov 2013 or from around 2016 or following the loss of Dick Watson (RIP).. and its achieved nothing other than a relegation and bounce back.. what honours has it won??.. you can spin what you like.. just like your spin about having 4 strikers on transfer deadline day... tell me how well have our forwards done this season? Just like the draught on the goal front.. there's been a draught on the 5 year championship plan... alot of hot air though on here and from Gavin Baldwin.
Our side today was embarrassingly short even before a ball was kicked.. all sides have injuries.. granted we have had some terrible luck with injuries, but recruitment of managers and players has been disastrous and there has been a clear declining investment in the squad amongst other things.
So what do you intend doing about it?
What a pathetic response. What do you expect me to do about it? Other than try to win the lottery... I travel 80 miles round trip every home game, have a season ticket, in the Rovers lottery, buy from the Club shop... other than buy a lottery ticket what do you suggest? What a pathetic response. Let's stick to the facts. The side on the pitch today would struggle to stay up in league Two next season.. yes some injured players will comeback.. but can we rely on Bostock or some others, will they regain fitness and be up.for the fight.. this season and next.. Time will tell..
So nothing then.
What you doing about it then genius? Re-mortgaging your house or robbing a bank?
You've been coming out with the same thing for ages (which is your prerogative) with zero impact. You may have to face the fact the club's not run off outputs from an internet forum. How about organising a protest outside the ground to get your points across?
If things continue as is the unrest will grow.. if your advocating a protest you do it.. if your happy as is thats your perogative but if I have been commenting as such for a while its because the utter mess on the pitch has infolded over time and recruitment dreadful and things have got worse not better...
What do you suggest yourself Vaya.. sit on your own hands or bury your head in the sand and say all is well.. .thats how your coming across.. the board appointed Wellens, they appointed Butler, they oversaw the debacle on transfer deadline day or last January and summer recruitment..
..and they're still here and you're still not doing anything about it.
And what you doing about it? Or are you happy with our current position?
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Donny in York,
I’m not going to quote all your previous posts as the thread becomes unreadable.
However I am going to point out the mistakes you’ve made in those posts. Firstly I did not suggest that all new ownership would be bad, what I did say is that there’s no guarantee that new ownership brings success and new investment. We, as the FSA, deal with supporter groups at clubs up and down the country who find that it’s more common to go backwards than forwards.
That’s not an opinion, it’s our experience.
Secondly you’re making the same mistake you always make when we discuss boards and ownership by equating success on the pitch with a successful board. The two are not the same thing. You talk about the best board by quoting success by results, and that’s not what I mean at all.
That’s my opinion, but one supported by knowledge and experience of dealing with the club for a number of years.
I.think.the silent majority of Rovers fans equate a successful club and ownership with success on the pitch.
I do acknowledge the success of Bramhall and Watson in an unbelievable successful time until 2013.. then as the saying apparently goes... the party was over..
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .
When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
At the Don Valley stadium with crowds of 2k
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
At the Don Valley stadium with crowds of 2k
So, why the reverse in the two club's fortunes?
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
I wonder how much he makes from being in the championship every other season v not at all and league 2 potentially
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
That's as maybe but they've had three spells in the championship and may make it a fourth this season .
The seem to be able to dust themselves down when relegated from the championship and go again in league one and I think Paul Warne is a very underrated manager .
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .
When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.
Why would they put a limited amount of money into the club if it didn’t benefit them in other ways . The club Doncaster is a charitable Trust isn’t it ..there are tax benefits from using these I believe , so it cash yes but it’s with strings attached !!
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
We were in the PL when you were in the Conference and a game away from returning in 2000 .
It wasn't too long afterwards before you were beating us for fun in league one .
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
I don't know but there has been significant investment to get them there.
Running football clubs takes a lot of money. Unless you know of someone who is willing to plough more money into Rovers over a sustained period then this is really a pointless discussion.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.
So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?
They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
Perhaps he'd like the bloke who bought Bury to try his luck again with us.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.
So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?
They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.
I agree that Yo-Yoing from the Championship to league one and back makes a huge financial difference to Yo-Yoing from League one to league two and back.
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Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?
It’s the old adage “that you only get what you pay for” or as they say In Yorkshire “it’s owt for nowt”.
Spot on because it was done with other people's money!
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Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!
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Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!
Would you like to invest in these magic beans I have for sale?
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Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?
It’s the old adage “that you only get what you pay for” or as they say In Yorkshire “it’s owt for nowt”.
Spot on because it was done with other people's money!
So where does my f**king money go then?
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And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...
Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
Reckless gambling in other words.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.
Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?
£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .
When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.
Why would they put a limited amount of money into the club if it didn’t benefit them in other ways . The club Doncaster is a charitable Trust isn’t it ..there are tax benefits from using these I believe , so it cash yes but it’s with strings attached !!
Oh my God, are you still banging that drum again?
Believe me, there is no taxable benefits to be had my throwing money into DRFC.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
What a shame.
Not sure why it would be a shame.
A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.
Perhaps he'd like the bloke who bought Bury to try his luck again with us.
yes please and put us all out of our misery
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Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!
It might pay with results and good football but buying into a football club rarely brings you a profit, there are too many owners who are willing to lose millions so it’s not really a level playing field. Now if clubs had to make a profit it’d be s different kettle of fish but that will never be the case and would be impossible to police.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.
So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?
They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.
I agree that Yo-Yoing from the Championship to league one and back makes a huge financial difference to Yo-Yoing from League one to league two and back.
It wasn't too long ago when we beat Rotherham at home and you wouldn't have said there was a great deal of difference between the quality on show.
Then there was the curtailed season when they got up to the Championship again courtesy of ppg formula, whilst we were blighted by having two matches to play against Bolton and one v Wigan still to play. Had just two of those been played and won we could have been in the play off positions.
The gap between League One and the Championship financially is twice what it was, if not more , since we were last there.
Oh, and going back to play off semi at Charlton. A slip of our keeper and/or any one of two missed penalties could make that difference.
As I said, fine lines.
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Donny in York,
I’m not going to quote all your previous posts as the thread becomes unreadable.
However I am going to point out the mistakes you’ve made in those posts. Firstly I did not suggest that all new ownership would be bad, what I did say is that there’s no guarantee that new ownership brings success and new investment. We, as the FSA, deal with supporter groups at clubs up and down the country who find that it’s more common to go backwards than forwards.
That’s not an opinion, it’s our experience.
Secondly you’re making the same mistake you always make when we discuss boards and ownership by equating success on the pitch with a successful board. The two are not the same thing. You talk about the best board by quoting success by results, and that’s not what I mean at all.
That’s my opinion, but one supported by knowledge and experience of dealing with the club for a number of years.
I.think.the silent majority of Rovers fans equate a successful club and ownership with success on the pitch.
I do acknowledge the success of Bramhall and Watson in an unbelievable successful time until 2013.. then as the saying apparently goes... the party was over..
Well its a good job people like you aren't running a supporters trust then if you can't differentiate between good owners and what they do for the club. If you were we'd have protests outside the stadium every other week.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.
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And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...
Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
Reckless gambling in other words.
You've just mentioned the disadvantages of speculating and ignored the advantages of accumulating, which includes financial reward due to providing a better product, thus increasing performance and growth.
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
John Ryan is not a "New" owner? :chair:
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And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...
Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
Reckless gambling in other words.
You've just mentioned the disadvantages of speculating and ignored the advantages of accumulating, which includes financial reward due to providing a better product, thus increasing performance and growth.
It's a case of managing risk. Too often in football people take absurd risks.
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Who's talking about absurd risks? I'm talking about competing financially with the likes of local giants Rotherham United!
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.
When JR left only the people putting money into the club remained.
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.
When JR left only the people putting money into the club remained.
Important point to make.
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JR may not have been contributing financially when he left but he'd already admitted he had to rely on Bramall and Watson's cash to maintain the clubs' progress.
My question is, would Bramall and Watson have benefitted financially, in the long run, had they listened to JR's desire to put more cash into the team?
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Not unless we reached the Premier League BB
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I was thinking more in terms of being established in the Championship, CR. I reckon it is a much harder (and expensive) task to become established now than it was then.
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We had a club in a new stadium and crowds improved we got in to the championship and crowds got bigger often over 12000, we played good football for four seasons in the championship spent over a million pounds on a player yet crowds steadily declined. For whatever reason we can’t get enough support to match Rotherham and Barnsley.
We had everything some people are asking for before but the crowd levels dropped off.
Like it or not the current board keep us on an even keel so we aren’t in danger of going under and also if there was potential investors there isn’t a mountain of debt saddled to the club.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we attract higher average home attendances than Rotherham when we were in the Championship?
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we attract a higher average home attendance than Rotherham when we were in the Championship?
Which means what exactly?
Look, football clubs are not profit generators, nor are they investment vehicles. The whole of football loses money, end of.
It’s the reason we campaigned for the fan led review, the whole of football needs a financial reset.
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We did, but they dropped offdespite us finishing mid table ish and investing in the team.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we attract a higher average home attendance than Rotherham when we were in the Championship?
Which means what exactly?
Look, football clubs are not profit generators, nor are they investment vehicles. The whole of football loses money, end of.
It’s the reason we campaigned for the fan led review, the whole of football needs a financial reset.
SM, I was answering a question from the previous poster who suggested it was our inability to compete with the attendances of Rotherham that meant we were unable to compete in the Championship.
Regarding your second paragraph, it seems to me that we are failing to compete because we have led the 'necessary financial reset' ahead of our competitors and as a result, we are getting destroyed on the pitch nearly every game.
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We’ll, the crowds havn’t exactly increased now we’re in the bottom 4 of league 1, either!
The current trend will see us back in the Conference before very long. But we’ll not be in debt!
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All this talk of ‘we’ll be back in the conference is nonsense’. I’ve been as big a critic of the club as any in recent months, but that kind of talk is just being dramatic. We are a million miles from relegation to the conference ffs
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I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?
Probably because they play in the championship every other year .
We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.
And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.
So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?
I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.
When JR left only the people putting money into the club remained.
I never said they didn't,BUT I believe the investment they did reduced when he left.
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The owners at the time starting with John Ryan gave us a new a new ground, got us to the championship, we played good football, invested in a good team signed players for fees we could never have imagined ten years previously and we couldn't keep the people coming in regularly.
As an owner or investor you would hope that getting to that level the support would stay.
Rotherham have had fairly consistent support since they moved to their new ground.
We had a level of success and people didn't stay to appreciate it.
We can still get good crowds for important games but we struggle to keep them even when successful.
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Rovers won't see the National League under its current ownership because that would simply not be allowed to happen .
A drop in to league two at worst the same as I have to accept a drop in to league one even though I know we are a championship club with the fanbase and the history.
There were less QPR fans inside the ground this evening than we have ST holders and that's a fact .
However they have only the credible thing today which is more money .
Don't even get me started on Bournemouth who can't even fill their own ground of less than 12k when half way up the PL table .
Bournemouth are the biggest joke of all in my opinion .
However it is what it is and we just have to find a way as frustrating as it is .
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Whatever happens we need to come together as a club, and support the new manager, team and board.
The last time for me there was a real togetherness about the club were during the Grant McCann season, there were a real togetherness around the club and such a good feeling about the club, of course having a great season with something to play for at the end contributed towards that, but everyone needs to get on the same page now.
We may go down, but if that happens, we rebuild and hopefully move forward again.
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn it's sometimes a sin to give it the big licks but bear with me .
Rovers are a massive club in league two , a player has the choice ?
Stevenage , Crawley or Rovers ?
It's an absolute no brainer .
It doesn't hurt to push the chest out when it suits given we accept our limitations the other way too .
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We are not bottom of the table because the owners aren't putting money in. We are bottom of the table because we have a terrible injury crisis, because we have recruited awfully over the past year and because our previous manager didn't make the best of what he had.
Those are, or should be, all temporary problems.
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it goes back further than that BST, since Darren Moore sodded off the club hasn't had much luck.
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Stop all the doom and gloom. We’re not going down
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Had we been able to go a step further under McCann, it's not unreasonable to think it likely he would have stayed on, the likes of Malik Wilkes and Herbie Kane could easily have been signed permanently with the squad being strengthened with the additional revenue from Championship, probably more TV money and the higher attendances.
But we know it's tough in the Championship and once again, if we were fighting at the bottom of the league, the sane debates and the same criticisms arise about budgets and ambitions.
So again, I ask the same question. Was it fair for a section of Rotherham fans to criticise their owners ambitions when they faced the same struggle?
Of course, now they are top of League One again, all is forgiven.
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn it's sometimes a sin to give it the big licks but bear with me .
Rovers are a massive club in league two , a player has the choice ?
Stevenage , Crawley or Rovers ?
It's an absolute no brainer .
It doesn't hurt to push the chest out when it suits given we accept our limitations the other way too .
What's that got to do with Barmby Rover's scorched earth fantasy scenario?
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I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.
Ok lets start a fantasy rumour that "The Keepmoat Group" are going to take a 49% or 51% stake in "Club Doncaster" (the reader can decide for themselves which !!!) Now for more icing on the cake .....
The keepmoat group then offer heavily discounted season tickets lets call them "Golden Tickets" to all events staged at the Keepmoat for a year or more to FAMILIES MOVING INTO A BRAND NEW HOME BUILT BY THE KEEPMOAT GROUP IN THE DONCASTER CATCHMENT AREA (whatever that is)
That last paragraph with variations could be a goer inreality
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Sounds like the 'BSTR Consortium' all over again CLH.
BobG
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Stop all the doom and gloom. We’re not going down
We will know the answer to that almost certainly by the end of January.
Have you seen our February fixture schedule.
We need a very very good January or we will need to win most games in March and April if we don’t.
It’s make or break time starting now. We need those 4 additions in immediately. Preferably 6 from what I can see. 2/3 of those additions will need to be on it from the go including a natural goal scorer who knows this league.
Marquis on loan till end of season is the sort of signing we need. What we don’t need is a 19 year old lad from the Premier league who has little or no experience of 1st team League football.
We need an old head in midfield someone who is a ball winner, mobile and a leader.
If we do not get those two type players then we are in League 2 next season. And I am not even going to put imo on that one. I think if we are all honest with ourselves we know the current squad is simply way way short of being capable of getting 30/33 possibly more points, in the remaining 24 games.
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The owners at the time starting with John Ryan gave us a new a new ground, got us to the championship, we played good football, invested in a good team signed players for fees we could never have imagined ten years previously and we couldn't keep the people coming in regularly.
As an owner or investor you would hope that getting to that level the support would stay.
Rotherham have had fairly consistent support since they moved to their new ground.
We had a level of success and people didn't stay to appreciate it.
We can still get good crowds for important games but we struggle to keep them even when successful.
Rovers' average home attendance was higher than Rotherham's over the five seasons both clubs have spent in the Championship.
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it goes back further than that BST, since Darren Moore sodded off the club hasn't had much luck.
We were bottom of the form table before he went.
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it goes back further than that BST, since Darren Moore sodded off the club hasn't had much luck.
We were bottom of the form table before he went.
Probably because he’d already left before he’d left
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The owners at the time starting with John Ryan gave us a new a new ground, got us to the championship, we played good football, invested in a good team signed players for fees we could never have imagined ten years previously and we couldn't keep the people coming in regularly.
As an owner or investor you would hope that getting to that level the support would stay.
Rotherham have had fairly consistent support since they moved to their new ground.
We had a level of success and people didn't stay to appreciate it.
We can still get good crowds for important games but we struggle to keep them even when successful.
Rovers' average home attendance was higher than Rotherham's over the five seasons both clubs have spent in the Championship.
I was going to post the same BB :thumbsup:
Rotherham are not a better supported club than DRFC end of.
Yes they are just at the moment because they are fighting for promotion and imo will win the league.
But history does not support they are either a bigger club than Rovers or a better supported one.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we attract a higher average home attendance than Rotherham when we were in the Championship?
Which means what exactly?
Look, football clubs are not profit generators, nor are they investment vehicles. The whole of football loses money, end of.
It’s the reason we campaigned for the fan led review, the whole of football needs a financial reset.
SM, I was answering a question from the previous poster who suggested it was our inability to compete with the attendances of Rotherham that meant we were unable to compete in the Championship.
Regarding your second paragraph, it seems to me that we are failing to compete because we have led the 'necessary financial reset' ahead of our competitors and as a result, we are getting destroyed on the pitch nearly every game.
No that's not right BB, just because we're at or near the bottom of LG1 doesn't imply that we had a financial reset before anybody else did. We still have a bigger budget than quite a number of clubs in our league, and we had to hold back on some of the financing this season because of the debts we accrued during the pandemic season. But as GB pointed out at the MTO those debts will be cleared in the next few weeks meaning we're good to go again.
The financial reset I was referring to is the proposals that we put in the Fan Led Review that asks for a complete overhaul of the financing of football and the paltry trickle down payments from the EPL.
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Financial resets means nothing unless every club falls in line.
Every single one.
Won’t happen.
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OK SM, cheers for the info.
Is it not true though that we have slipped from a top-six highest budget to 14th highest, meaning several clubs have now got a higher budget than us, after having a lower one previously?
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn, that is probably because we had a much better team the last time we were relegated to L2.
If we do go down this season I wouldn’t be too confident that we wouldn’t suffer a double relegation.
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OK SM, cheers for the info.
Is it not true though that we have slipped from a top-six highest budget to 14th highest, meaning several clubs have now got a higher budget than us, after having a lower one previously?
BB to be fair though we now have Wednesday, Ipswich, Wigan and Bolton in our league.
So our status was bound to fall. Yes 10th or 11th would be about par.
Of course Sunderland, Portsmouth and Charlton have been in league 1 a while will have vastly bigger budgets.
Rotherham, Oxford, MK Dons, Plymouth will have larger ones i suspect.
So another 2 above us take your pick.
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn, that is probably because we had a much better team the last time we were relegated to L2.
If we do go down this season I wouldn’t be too confident that we wouldn’t suffer a double relegation.
Did we get rid of our players and replace them with worse/cheaper ones last time as Barmby says we will this time, or not?
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn, that is probably because we had a much better team the last time we were relegated to L2.
If we do go down this season I wouldn’t be too confident that we wouldn’t suffer a double relegation.
Did we get rid of our players and replace them with worse/cheaper ones last time as Barmby says we will this time, or not?
If we do get relegated it will be difficult to replace players with worse ones
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When Rovers are relegated I presume under the "keeping the books straight" we will be off loading folks like Tommy Rowe who must be one of the bigger earners and replacing them with players on half that wage, or recruiting even more youngsters into the side, and the management will need wages shaving off too so we need to sack whoever is appointed and find a cheaper manager in the summer. So many cuts could be made, until you become Scunthorpe, or Oldham.
That's a very big presumption. Especially as it didn't happen the last time we were relegated to L2.
Glyn, that is probably because we had a much better team the last time we were relegated to L2.
If we do go down this season I wouldn’t be too confident that we wouldn’t suffer a double relegation.
We did sign almost an entirely new team in the summer following relegation, Hound. And the board backed Ferguson to bring in top players for the level. Marquis, Blair, Wright, Baudry, Rowe and McSheffrey on permanent deals, plus the likes of Houghton and Mason on loan. Then Lawlor and Alfie May in January as well. It would have to be the same sort of summer again if we go down this year.
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The owners at the time starting with John Ryan gave us a new a new ground, got us to the championship, we played good football, invested in a good team signed players for fees we could never have imagined ten years previously and we couldn't keep the people coming in regularly.
As an owner or investor you would hope that getting to that level the support would stay.
Rotherham have had fairly consistent support since they moved to their new ground.
We had a level of success and people didn't stay to appreciate it.
We can still get good crowds for important games but we struggle to keep them even when successful.
Rovers' average home attendance was higher than Rotherham's over the five seasons both clubs have spent in the Championship.
I was going to post the same BB :thumbsup:
Rotherham are not a better supported club than DRFC end of.
Yes they are just at the moment because they are fighting for promotion and imo will win the league.
But history does not support they are either a bigger club than Rovers or a better supported one.
You're deluded if you think that. The only reason our average attendances were higher than there's was because our away end holds 4000, there's 2500.
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The owners at the time starting with John Ryan gave us a new a new ground, got us to the championship, we played good football, invested in a good team signed players for fees we could never have imagined ten years previously and we couldn't keep the people coming in regularly.
As an owner or investor you would hope that getting to that level the support would stay.
Rotherham have had fairly consistent support since they moved to their new ground.
We had a level of success and people didn't stay to appreciate it.
We can still get good crowds for important games but we struggle to keep them even when successful.
Rovers' average home attendance was higher than Rotherham's over the five seasons both clubs have spent in the Championship.
I was going to post the same BB :thumbsup:
Rotherham are not a better supported club than DRFC end of.
Yes they are just at the moment because they are fighting for promotion and imo will win the league.
But history does not support they are either a bigger club than Rovers or a better supported one.
You're deluded if you think that. The only reason our average attendances were higher than there's was because our away end holds 4000, there's 2500.
Padge how many times have we had 4,000 away fans at the EP Stadium yes the EP ( starting to get used to it now )
Leeds x 3 Sunderland x2 Middlesbrough x1 Sheff Wed x2
Sheff Utd, Barnsley, Derby, Forest etc only brought a max of 3.300 Rotherham less than 3000
Plus we have only been in this stadium for 15 years. What about the previous 80 odd years at Belle Vue.
Rotherham have only been 8/9 years is it at the New York stadium. What about the previous 70/80/90/100 or however many years they played at Millmoor.
Think a bit more homework needed on this one Padge. There will not be much in it that I would agree on.