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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: phil old leake on January 05, 2022, 07:37:48 am
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What an absolute joke. I could imagine if Cameron Norris had said I’m not getting vaccinated. I would imagine he’d get a big overdose of Fxxx off tablets
I’m hoping some of the players revolt and refuse to play him
He’s got a medical exemption. He’s openly admitted he’s against vaccination.
It’s his choice but if the rules set out say players need to be vaccinated then he should not be allowed to play
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Totally agree
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I don't think it's fair for the rules to say you should be vaccinated personally, it's too discriminatory for my liking.
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I have no choice but to work with people who refuse to be jabbed. I think they are being a bit selfish towards the older members of staff here.
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Aussie Govt say it's up to their Border Enforcement whether he is allowed into the country never mind the state of Victoria. No Covid pass no valid reason then he's on the next plane home
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He has a medical cert saying he’s had Covid in the last 6 months hence them allowing him in.
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That's Victoria State not the actual country
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Raven so he should be. He’s taking the mick
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I have no choice but to work with people who refuse to be jabbed. I think they are being a bit selfish towards the older members of staff here.
The only medical practice in history that the failings of the medicine are being blamed on the ones who don't take the medicine.
If your elderly colleagues have been boosted with hope in their arms, why does it matter if someone else hasn't had theirs?
You lot were told last year that the first jab was 100% effective at stopping transmission. You were lied to and your anger is misplaced.
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Visa rejected.
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Seems he will challenge the decision in Aussie court
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we should get a loan of patel, haha
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Good old NoVax
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I have no choice but to work with people who refuse to be jabbed. I think they are being a bit selfish towards the older members of staff here.
The only medical practice in history that the failings of the medicine are being blamed on the ones who don't take the medicine.
If your elderly colleagues have been boosted with hope in their arms, why does it matter if someone else hasn't had theirs?
You lot were told last year that the first jab was 100% effective at stopping transmission. You were lied to and your anger is misplaced.
Very good Nudga and point taken about the lie(s), of which there were many along the way.
On the other hand, “you lot” were told that chips were being inserted into your blood streams so don’t have the jab.
Were you lied to and your anger misplaced?
The data shows that most now in hospital are unvaccinated. Good enough for me and my family. Of course you don’t have to believe that.
BVB
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Absolutely no-one authoritative ever once said the vaccine would be 100% effective at anything, but who cares about truth these days?
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Absolutely no-one authoritative ever once said the vaccine would be 100% effective at anything, but who cares about truth these days?
This was just recently
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1474324159727607809?t=G-4nvFhvkeXBW9uX6aW7MQ&s=19
I will find you where he says 100% effective tomorrow, its a bit late to be trawling through hours of his lies and guff.
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I have no choice but to work with people who refuse to be jabbed. I think they are being a bit selfish towards the older members of staff here.
The only medical practice in history that the failings of the medicine are being blamed on the ones who don't take the medicine.
If your elderly colleagues have been boosted with hope in their arms, why does it matter if someone else hasn't had theirs?
You lot were told last year that the first jab was 100% effective at stopping transmission. You were lied to and your anger is misplaced.
Very good Nudga and point taken about the lie(s), of which there were many along the way.
On the other hand, “you lot” were told that chips were being inserted into your blood streams so don’t have the jab.
Were you lied to and your anger misplaced?
The data shows that most now in hospital are unvaccinated. Good enough for me and my family. Of course you don’t have to believe that.
BVB
You see this is just lazy, and your pissy little slur about f**kin microchips in jabs is getting boring.
I'll say it again for you dullards, I DO NOT THINK THERE ARE 5G MICROCHIPS IN THESE JABS!
Oh and it's 56% of UK admissions for 18+ are vaxxed.
Stats from UKSHA.
This guy seems to think it's 46% unvaxxed with a link to check.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1478143076308762626?t=o4kiA1M810Fdwqyn3xKkrg&s=19
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A friend of mine who very nearly died of COVID last year and is suffering the effects of long COVID now has to have monthly check ups in case his heart case floods
He was at the hospital on Christmas Eve having a heart scan and check and he was told by staff that there are fewer omicron sufferers being admitted to intensive care but 80% of those in intensive care are unvaccinated
It’s a disgrace. Idiots being treated in intensive care whilst others with serious illnesses like cancer etc are sometimes struggling to get the right treatment
In my view anyone who really believes their is a government conspiracy to implant trackers in people or who just won’t get the vaccinated should be ashamed of yourselves. You’re no different to someone who drives a car pxxxed
Take yourselves outside somewhere and give your heads a good shake and stop putting everyone else at risk
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I bet most of the England cricket team wished they'd had their visas revoked too.
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So glad the arrogance of the bloke
I know people have private lives but for me it’s simple. If you’ve got a medical condition that is genuine JUST SAY WHAT IT IS
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As Nadal says today, Novax decisions have consequences.
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Good on Australia, “we don’t care if you are No1 in the world, our Country our rules, f**k off”
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Can we head hunt some of the Aussie Border Force staff please.
They clearly don’t f**k around.
Just what we need.
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I have no choice but to work with people who refuse to be jabbed. I think they are being a bit selfish towards the older members of staff here.
The only medical practice in history that the failings of the medicine are being blamed on the ones who don't take the medicine.
If your elderly colleagues have been boosted with hope in their arms, why does it matter if someone else hasn't had theirs?
You lot were told last year that the first jab was 100% effective at stopping transmission. You were lied to and your anger is misplaced.
Very good Nudga and point taken about the lie(s), of which there were many along the way.
On the other hand, “you lot” were told that chips were being inserted into your blood streams so don’t have the jab.
Were you lied to and your anger misplaced?
The data shows that most now in hospital are unvaccinated. Good enough for me and my family. Of course you don’t have to believe that.
BVB
You see this is just lazy, and your pissy little slur about f**kin microchips in jabs is getting boring.
I'll say it again for you dullards, I DO NOT THINK THERE ARE 5G MICROCHIPS IN THESE JABS!
Oh and it's 56% of UK admissions for 18+ are vaxxed.
Stats from UKSHA.
This guy seems to think it's 46% unvaxxed with a link to check.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1478143076308762626?t=o4kiA1M810Fdwqyn3xKkrg&s=19
Blimey you’re right - I am dullard.
Clearly remiss of me to slur you with the microchip, and wrong of me to assume that most people in hospital with covid are unvaxxed.
So just to show I have stopped being lazy and done a little research:
Unvaccinated make up a disproportionate number of hospital admissions (45ish %) when they only account for around 20% of the population.
Conversely, the 55ish % of admissions of vaccinated is actually a smaller share of a much larger vaccinated population (80%).
“None of this means that the vaccines are ineffective. There is overwhelming evidence that vaccination makes people far less likely to get seriously ill with Covid. Because the vast majority of the adult population of the UK has been vaccinated against Covid, if even a small proportion of them get seriously ill, it may be enough to outnumber the severe cases which are more common among the unvaccinated.”
Conclusion: unvaccinated as a proportion of the entire population are taking up more valuable NHS resources than vaccinated as a proportion of the entire population.
I draw your attention to the two UKHSA graphs in this article:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-unvaccinated-people-are-being-admitted-to-hospital-in-england-131305713.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK3OzPFcbEY0SGbUsj7AN6FwvbxkLlzc7tB0ewIUBWHBf99Oz1Q4aSzMOERnYu8Rkiz0ncvK80BgBFkcSAg14Rt5lIHFFGQsnsYKEIsAC9IoNiYHww5p1mK-8sYiz7lEiaA96od-qLx9c5uX9Z1qgMmBwbS_AlUtNj6_z82JGW5U
And also this article is worth a read.
https://fullfact.org/health/unvaccinated-icu-channel4-icnarc/
All this before Omicron has kicked in as well.
Cheers
BVB
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BVB I think your wrong. I think the unvaccinated make up about 80% of hospital admissions endangering the I’ll who have not acted irresponsibly
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Well that’s what I thought Phil until Nudga got back to me as a lazy dullard.
So am I reading the data and conclusions wrongly in the links I provided?
Or. as I hint, has the data changed since mid-December and Omicron kicked in?
Happy to take new facts / info on board
BVB
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Good on Australia, “we don’t care if you are No1 in the world, our Country our rules, f**k off”
I think Oz is correct to enforce the rules, but having listened to an Aussie journalist on tv this morning his view was that Morrison is suddenly jumping on this to improve his standing in forthcoming elections…
Politicians eh?
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Taking figures from the governments own websites doesn’t fill me with hope, they are constantly inaccurate and fear inducing for the chaff!
Roll tha sleeves up, get artside and start scoffing this omricon till it’s shat out and flushed away….
Or don’t! ……
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My figures came from a workmate who had been in hospital with follow up treatment for long COVID. They are the figures he was told by staff in Belfast
It might be different throughout the UK
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There is a suspicion he lied on his visa declaring he had covid within last 6 months, when in fact it was 19 months ago.
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Taking figures from the governments own websites doesn’t fill me with hope, they are constantly inaccurate and fear inducing for the chaff!
Roll tha sleeves up, get artside and start scoffing this omricon till it’s shat out and flushed away….
Or don’t! ……
Happy New Year Shabby.
However, I see your posts haven’t improved since the ‘Old Year’.
Still full of inane sh**e.
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Apparently he’s asked a female Border Force Officer how many days he was likely to be kept in quarantine & she answered
“15 love”.
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Taking figures from the governments own websites doesn’t fill me with hope, they are constantly inaccurate and fear inducing for the chaff!
Roll tha sleeves up, get artside and start scoffing this omricon till it’s shat out and flushed away….
Or don’t! ……
Happy New Year Shabby.
However, I see your posts haven’t improved since the ‘Old Year’.
Still full of inane sh**e.
Another year of crazy shit methinks…… hope you and your family have a wonderful new year …..
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Seems he has shown flagrant disregard for the rules of his home country which can be proven following his positive test in dec.
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Absolute disgrace isn't it?
Yet another example of the rich and powerful giving the rods to the rest of us.
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Arrogance beyond belief.
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Absolutely no-one authoritative ever once said the vaccine would be 100% effective at anything, but who cares about truth these days?
I knew I'd seen it said somewhere, only from The Pfizer Chief himself.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377618480527257606?t=FukD1X7WYDU87sRwiXWzOg&s=19
But yeah, truth.
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Nudga.
If it was 100% effective in a trial, it was 100% effective in a trial. That's just a fact. He wasn't saying anything about it being expected to be 100% effective in all cases.
And what did you want him to say? That it wasn't 100% effective in the trial?
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But he said it, and you said that no one has ever said that.
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Here’s my take on all this.
The positive test in dec was a fabrication so that he would be clear to travel to Aus. He is not vax and knew it would be a problem. The only way of getting in would be to prove he had recently contracted it. Let’s not forget, this is just a process, wide open to abuse if you have the power and influence he has in Serbia.
It would not be difficult for a person of his standing in a corrupt country to have this done. This is a vax sceptical country. Only 50% are double vax.
What he did not bargain on was the shit storm that would unfold this month.
It’s very telling that his own family shut down when quizzed about him breaking govt law by breaching isolation. Not just once either.
If he did prove pos, why on earth did he show his face in public afterwards.
The whole thing stinks.
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But he said it, and you said that no one has ever said that.
He stated a fact relating to a small trial. He didn't claim anything wider than that.
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OK, maybe not anyone authoritive, but she's supposed to be an NHS Dr.
This was on national TV with a huge audience.
If no one authoritive said it, why wasn't this person called out and why wasn't ITV and This Morning called out for lying?
https://twitter.com/thismorning/status/1346038472566571008?t=E_bTHOEKHJ2MJLSnru0ZcQ&s=19
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OK, maybe not anyone authoritive, but she's supposed to be an NHS Dr.
This was on national TV with a huge audience.
If no one authoritive said it, why wasn't this person called out and why wasn't ITV and This Morning called out for lying?
https://twitter.com/thismorning/status/1346038472566571008?t=E_bTHOEKHJ2MJLSnru0ZcQ&s=19
No one lied. At that point in time the trials were saying that AstraZeneca was 100% effective at stopping severe hospitalisation and death within the period they'd monitored in the trial, 22 days.
The effects of the vaccine reduce over time and possibly now with a wider dataset the first 22 day figure will have changed somewhat too but overall the vaccine still reduces the severity of the virus.
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If he had filled in his immigration form correctly none of this would have happened, it appears
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There are only two conclusions that can be made in this affair.
1) Djokovic did test +ve on 16 Dec, and knowing this, he appeared in public over the next several days.
2) Djokovic didn't test +ve on 16 Dec. In which case he's just lied through his teeth to get this exemption.
Either way, he's a Kitson.
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There are only two conclusions that can be made in this affair.
1) Djokovic did test +ve on 16 Dec, and knowing this, he appeared in public over the next several days.
2) Djokovic didn't test +ve on 16 Dec. In which case he's just lied through his teeth to get this exemption.
Either way, he's a Kitson.
Game, set & match.
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On top of which, it now looks like he lied on his visa application.
He was asked to confirm that he would not be undertaking any international travel in the 14 days before he flew to Australia. But he flew from Spain to Australia, and less than 14 days before that he was filmed in Belgrade.
He is another perfect example of one of the genuine Elite who think the rules don't apply to them, because they have spent their lives bieng feted as someone above the common herd.
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I can imagine his legal team producing all the necessary “papers” to Aus border force.
All of them still hot out of the printer no doubt.
It’s not like they can do the due diligence in Serbia to check the veracity of such documents is it?
Mind you, his latest issue now seems to be a possible false declaration on his entry form saying he had not been anywhere in the 2 weeks prior to arriving. There are pics of him in Spain in the fortnight before flying to Aus.
Send the kitson home.
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Two journalists say that the QR code that his legal team flashed as evidence of his positive test was connected with a negative result when they checked it against the Serbian database two days back. Then it suddenly flipped to positive yesterday.
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If it smells like shit and looks like it"…………….
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Can see him getting on court about to serve and then him getting arrested and deported to make a point on the biggest stage possible
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I think he should face the baying australians. He is highly likely to receive a hostile reception, which would make good watching, not something associated with Tennis and then arrest after first match.
Deportation would mean a three yr ban from re entering too.
f**k him.
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Looks like he is going to be spared the baying crowd. They have cancelled his visa again with deportation now looking certain.
Oh, and don’t come back for 3 years.
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I am in the minority but perhaps being a tad naive?
If Djokovic doesn't adhere to the rules of the Australian Government then he should not be allowed in.
I do think the rules of the Aussie Government in the first place are ludicrous, but that is another matter. If the rules are there, Djokovic either adheres to them or doesn't gain entry.
It is worth bearing in mind though that the Aussies have been critical of Djokovic and his 'weird views' about Covid which include him talking about such off the wall ideas like optimal natural health and natural immunity.
God. Weird or what? ;)
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His problem is the perceived dishonesty around his entry forms, and blatant disregard for covid through his opinion over vaccines and unwillingness to isolate after testing positive ( which is in doubt)
What is now ticking me off, is he is clearly being given preferential treatment because he is world no 1 in tennis.
Any other person subject to migrant law ( cancelled visa) would be held in a detention centre and would go through weeks and weeks of court appeal process.
The courts are bending over backwards to push through whatever decision they come to because he is about to feature in a tennis tournament. This stinks.
Any other person subject to similar deportation proceeding would not be offered this level of discretion. One rule for normal people. Another for the rich and famous.
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Yes. I don't know the exact ins and outs of the situation but you make some good points NR and i can see why this would get people's backs up.
Personally i do not have an issue with him testing positive and then still going about his business. I do have an issue with him bothering to test in the first place but again, personal viewpoint.
It does seem though that his high profile is giving him more benefits and leeway than any humble citizen would get.
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Perhaps we should rename Djokovic Djoke-covic
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The french sports minister has already said he could play at the french open.
I can’t see this going down well in France, given un vax are having heavy restrictions placed on them either .
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The most sensible and undiscriminatory thing to do would be to let all tennis players play in any tournament they wish. Vaxxed or unvaxxed.
What a world we live in when people kick off about discrimination due to a midget gem sweet being called a midget gem yet in order to keep their jobs in the health service, people must be vaccinated and nobody seems too bothered.
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The 1st question that we will never get an answer for is did he realy have convemient Covid in December? My feeling is not.
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Can you imagine if any of us had made an error on our visa application? I don’t think any court, in any country, would be bending over backwards to accommodate us.
Get him deported. Let him appeal it from Serbia.
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Agreed he’s taking the Pxxx with everything to do with this
Hope he gets a 3 yr visa ban
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I can’t see him receiving warm applause in France either come the french open given the govt there are also looking to tighten restrictions for un vax.
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Being dragged out a bit is this saga. Crikey. All because someone doesn't feel the need to have pharmaceuticals forced into his body for a virus that those who have chosen to do so can still pass on in equal measure.
There's only one nutjob in this sorry state of affairs, and he's not Serbian.
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CDH.
Once again, wearily, people who have been vaccinated don't transmit the virus as efficiently as those who refuse to be vaccinated.
And Djokovic is being deported for lying on his visa form.
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So what if the vaccinated spread just a teensy weensy ickle bit less virus than those who are unvaccinated.
Hardly worth changing how the world lives forever for the sake of it is there?
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I really don’t see why this is been played out like it has been
Surely there are rules/regulations about this. I’m quite sure if it was a normal member of the public this situation would have been dealt with in a normal efficient manner and he would have been refused entry
If he has lied on his form I wonder if there should be some criminal investigation
Who does he think he is
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The problem is normal everyday people cannot afford to lose time and money fighting it.
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So what if the vaccinated spread just a teensy weensy ickle bit less virus than those who are unvaccinated.
Hardly worth changing how the world lives forever for the sake of it is there?
It's over 50%. That has a massive effect on the spread of a virus that doubles every 2-3 days unmitigated.
If you have 1000 cases at the start of the month and the doubling time is 2 days, by the end of the month you have 1 million cases. If you increase the doubling time to 5 days, by the end of the month you have fewer than 70,000 cases.
Given that there's currently one death for every 300 positive cases, that's the difference between a couple of hundred deaths or several thousand.
Simple maths. People getting vaccinated protect themselves a little bit. But they protect many, many more other people. Which is why it's important not to give in to an arrogant liar like Djokovic.
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Over 50%?
So 51%? 97%?
What?
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Lost his appeal
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Lost his appeal
A1 or M1?
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Well done Australia!
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Novax loses appeal.
Freedom bird back to Belgrade booked. Do not pass go. Don’t return in next 3 yrs.
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So glad he lost it. So glad the Aussies saw sense
I just hope they uphold the 3 yr ban if there is one
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Banned from entering a country to play tennis simply for not having a vaccine for what is now essentially the sniffles.
Astounding.
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I think you will find the deportation is due to dishonesty on visa first and foremost. His vaccination status is merely a sideshow.
Then There is the question of his positive test in December which is in doubt itself.
The deportation law is Aus automatically bans him now for 3 yrs.
The deportation is part of the sanction for not meeting entry requirements. The three year ban is basically a preventative measure from it happening again, within 3 yrs.
I sincerely hope Novax considers his situation in the global standing he has as an elite sportsperson.
He has a real opportunity here to make a positive stand. Realise the error of his judgement, get vaccinated and become part of the solution , not the problem.
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He opted for dishonesty on his Visa due to the dumbass Aussies requiring a vaccine for a cold to enter the country. Although i agree, by trying to con his way in he deserves all he gets. He should have actually made a point by flat refusing to take part in the first place and not complying with the Aussies despot tinpot dictators lunatic rules requiring him to be jabbed for an illness now less dangerous than influenza.
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First player to be knocked out of a Grand slam for missing just two shots.
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Wonder if for the next tournement we find that Novax suddenly has 2nd thoughts and provides Serbian proof of Vax
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The best thing now for me is for Nadal to win if A Murray or another Brit doesn’t
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Wonder if for the next tournement we find that Novax suddenly has 2nd thoughts and provides Serbian proof of Vax
I think if he wants to travel around the world, a jab is necessary sadly. I'd lose all respect for him if he caved in just so he could facilitate this.
A bit like my kids friends parents. They are a bit middle class and go on holidays all over the shop. Peru, America, frequent trips to Europe. They've only got their 12 year old daughter jabbed so that they don't miss out on travel.
Personally i'd rather miss out on travel than put my child at unnecessary risk from an emergency use vaccine that they don't even need anyway.
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BBC are great aren't they?
Alongside a photo of Djokovic:
'The unvaccinated tennis star gets a flight out of Melbourne airport after losing his Visa challenge'
Helping to highlight the fact that he's unvaccinated.
What an absolute heinous crime Novak. Shame on you.
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The best thing now for me is for Nadal to win if A Murray or another Brit doesn’t
I don’t buy into the whole Murray thing Phil.
He is a jock.
They would not celebrate it if it was the other way round.
Tennis should be like football. You are English or Scottish.
Certain people in the uk only celebrate it because we have no English Tennis players currently to shout about.
And I have my family roots very deeply set north of the wall.
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Wonder if for the next tournement we find that Novax suddenly has 2nd thoughts and provides Serbian proof of Vax
I think if he wants to travel around the world, a jab is necessary sadly. I'd lose all respect for him if he caved in just so he could facilitate this.
A bit like my kids friends parents. They are a bit middle class and go on holidays all over the shop. Peru, America, frequent trips to Europe. They've only got their 12 year old daughter jabbed so that they don't miss out on travel.
Personally i'd rather miss out on travel than put my child at unnecessary risk from an emergency use vaccine that they don't even need anyway.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint CDH, I firmly believe Novax would gain very much more respect globally for changing his stance on vaccines that choosing to opt out.
Starting with a very substantial majority of the population of Australia.
If he got vax Ed, I could see a situation where he could be allowed to compete in their Open in 2023. He would receive a very different welcome if this were the case.
Mind you, I think the Aussies would need video evidence of him having received his jabs. I don’t trust Serbia as a country as far as I could throw it. They would just fudge his vaccine passport. Because he has that level of power and influence there.
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Fudge his vaccine passport? The very idea! ............of course they would if he wanted it
My point exactly
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Wonder if for the next tournement we find that Novax suddenly has 2nd thoughts and provides Serbian proof of Vax
I think if he wants to travel around the world, a jab is necessary sadly. I'd lose all respect for him if he caved in just so he could facilitate this.
A bit like my kids friends parents. They are a bit middle class and go on holidays all over the shop. Peru, America, frequent trips to Europe. They've only got their 12 year old daughter jabbed so that they don't miss out on travel.
Personally i'd rather miss out on travel than put my child at unnecessary risk from an emergency use vaccine that they don't even need anyway.
Whilst I understand your viewpoint CDH, I firmly believe Novax would gain very much more respect globally for changing his stance on vaccines that choosing to opt out.
Starting with a very substantial majority of the population of Australia.
If he got vax Ed, I could see a situation where he could be allowed to compete in their Open in 2023. He would receive a very different welcome if this were the case.
Mind you, I think the Aussies would need video evidence of him having received his jabs. I don’t trust Serbia as a country as far as I could throw it. They would just fudge his vaccine passport. Because he has that level of power and influence there.
His stance on the vaccine is that he doesn't want one and doesn't like being victimised and discriminated against because of this fact.
Globally, if people can't understand and respect this then he's doing the right thing.
He's in a minority of people who respect freedom of choice and bodily autonomy. As if that's an evil crime.
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Colin not a crime in any way but you make choices in life and live with the consequences
No sympathy from me
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Colin not a crime in any way but you make choices in life and live with the consequences
No sympathy from me
So you are for forced medical interventions then?
He hasn't got a choice. He has to have the vaccine or be denied basic fundamental human rights to be able to participate in society across increasing numbers of countries around the world. That isn't choice. It is dictatorial discrimination.
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Banned from entering a country to play tennis simply for not having a vaccine for what is now essentially the sniffles.
Astounding.
I'm no scientist but have you thought that might be to do with the vaccines/boosters?
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I stick by my previous remark. He knew the score and for me the worst thing he did was to be economical with the truth. Why tell lies
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Australia already going weak suggesting that the 3 yr visa ban might be shortened
It wouldn’t be shortened for the average man in the street let’s hope they don’t get weak
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Looks like he wont be allowed to play in France either full vax, no exceptions
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I bet he can play at Wimbledon.
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I bet he can play at Wimbledon.
Indeed. We can lead Europe and show them the way to treating people equally and show what a tolerant, open society we are regardless of vaccine status. A big opportunity for Bozo i feel if he takes this stance and goes against the whole of Europe with regards vaccine passports.
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He should play for the England cricket team.
Took Australia two weeks to get him out.
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Colin I’m sorry I have to disagree with you. Why should we allow him to play in a tournament in this country putting others at risk
It’s a big no from me. I hope Wimbledon insist on vaccines
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Colin I’m sorry I have to disagree with you. Why should we allow him to play in a tournament in this country putting others at risk
It’s a big no from me. I hope Wimbledon insist on vaccines
How is he putting others at risk? If he is then vaccinated players are also putting others at risk.
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Are you saying he should be vaccinated Colin
If so I misunderstood your comments if your supporting him playing unvaccinated then how is he not putting people at risk
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Are you saying he should be vaccinated Colin
If so I misunderstood your comments if your supporting him playing unvaccinated then how is he not putting people at risk
Because vaccinated players (people) also spread the virus Phil. So an unvaccinated Djokovic is a risk but then so is a vaccinated Andy Murray for example.
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Colin are you an anti the vaccination then
I see your point but my understanding is that the risk is much lower if you’re vaccinated
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Colin are you an anti the vaccination then
I see your point but my understanding is that the risk is much lower if you’re vaccinated
I'm not anti vaccination. I am for children but for adults, they can do what they like. Both vaxxed and unvaxxed should be treated equally and no divisions created. The divisions that are being created from what i can see are from those who are pro vaccine.
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Are you saying he should be vaccinated Colin
If so I misunderstood your comments if your supporting him playing unvaccinated then how is he not putting people at risk
Because vaccinated players (people) also spread the virus Phil. So an unvaccinated Djokovic is a risk but then so is a vaccinated Andy Murray for example.
Once again (although I get that it is pointless because you have a filter that stops this message getting into you brain) vaccinated people have a much, much lower transmissibility than unvaccinated people. And this is massively important with a virus that spreads exponentially if unmitigated. If you don't engage with that, you have chosen to be ignorant and to instead peddle a line that has, is and will continue to result in thousands upon thousands of avoidable deaths.
Your choice.
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Colin you really are a rude ignorant man and arrogant with it
I thought this forum was for adults but obviously not
Disagreeing with you makes my opinion less worthy it seems Dr Colin
Thanks for the information. I assume you’re medically trained and an expert in COVID and that’s why JVT has stepped aside to allow you to continue his work and guide the general public to safety
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Colin you really are a rude ignorant man and arrogant with it
I thought this forum was for adults but obviously not
Disagreeing with you makes my opinion less worthy it seems Dr Colin
Thanks for the information. I assume you’re medically trained and an expert in COVID and that’s why JVT has stepped aside to allow you to continue his work and guide the general public to safety
Wow. Ok. Can't find anywhere where i said you're opinion was less worthy. You called me an anti vaxxer and then have the gall to say that i'm ignorant! I was simply answering your questions as best i could.
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Are you saying he should be vaccinated Colin
If so I misunderstood your comments if your supporting him playing unvaccinated then how is he not putting people at risk
Because vaccinated players (people) also spread the virus Phil. So an unvaccinated Djokovic is a risk but then so is a vaccinated Andy Murray for example.
Once again (although I get that it is pointless because you have a filter that stops this message getting into you brain) vaccinated people have a much, much lower transmissibility than unvaccinated people. And this is massively important with a virus that spreads exponentially if unmitigated. If you don't engage with that, you have chosen to be ignorant and to instead peddle a line that has, is and will continue to result in thousands upon thousands of avoidable deaths.
Your choice.
I don't have any such magical filter BST. I accept that the virus is very slightly reduced, however, this is not a reason to treat people differently and we can't change how society works and lives on the basis that a vaccinated person spreads a virus a bit less. IMO. Just have to accept people as they come. Vaxxed or not. Avoid people if you're that bothered man.
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Colin I think you should actually read what I said and not what you wanted me to have said
I asked the question
Colin are you an anti the vaccination then
I see your point but my understanding is that the risk is much lower if you’re vaccinated
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Phil , you are quite right.
Being vaccinated significantly reduces the transmissibility of it. This is a medically proven fact. And fully justifies why governments , across Europe, are starting to take measures to protect people . Even if that means discriminating against non vax.
On planet CDH though, “significantly” becomes “very slightly”. It’s possibly his way of justifying not giving a flying f**k about it.
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Normal just what I thought.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/amp/
Some people obviously know more than the scientists
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BBC News - Novak Djokovic: Doubts over timing of Covid test
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541
Hmmm. Almost like there's a hint of a fiddle going on.
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Who'd have thought it?
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Who would of thought it
There’ll still be some that are vehemently supportive of him
If he had (if) I hope they come down on him like a ton of bricks and give him a proper ban
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I've heard that Djokovic is looking at getting the vaccine.
Instead of sticking to his principles like some of the NHS refuseniks, he is going to cave in.
He's got enough money. Retiring from tennis isn't that big a deal for him. He's not exactly at the start of his career.
Can't wait to see what he does. Probably another huge hypocrite on the cards.
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I wouldn’t believe it unless I physically gave him it myself.
Serbia, as a country are bent to the cause.
He has the power there and the influence to make this happen.
And go public with his intention to make it look legit.
I would not trust him as far as I could throw him.
His whole team and himself have already proven themselves to be dishonest.
He is a bit like Boris . Damage done I’m afraid.