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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on October 08, 2022, 08:02:20 pm
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We are desperately missing Anderson. In this division you need a big centre half that will win ariel duels and be brave competing for the ball. The Leyton Orient goal could have been easily avoided but Williams neshed it in my opinion. He wins very little in the air; in the 2nd half when they hit the bar/top of net again it was Williams that was beat easily (and it was Williams that made the foul for that free kick too) it says a lot when we have 18 year old Faulkner as our centre of a back three. He also sits way too far back/deep which creates the midfield to be 10 yards back and thus no support for the centre forward. I really don't like singling out players however he is absolutely our weakest link in the team (or the most negative influence in our set up). It's bizzare because he's not slow and he's a bloody big lad.
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Fair does the lad took the goal very well
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That banger that Mansfield scored was peak Williams. Cross comes in, rather than head it clear of danger he just nods it to the edge of the box to assist the Mansfield lad. He's not a starting centre half for a promotion chasing team
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The problem appears to me to be communicating. I only played in the Doncaster Senior League and Sunday League but we consistently shouted to each other to pick up the spare man. I know this is basic but it doesn’t seem to happen here, their goal for example he had bags of space and time.
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Good goal but Williams had ample time to get close to their player he never moved just stood there.his agility is very poor.
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Come on leaps and bounds this season
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Good goal but Williams had ample time to get close to their player he never moved just stood there.his agility is very poor.
While I don't really rate Williams no centre half in the world could have prevented the goal. Sometimes you've just got to hold your hands up and say good goal
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It was a great goal but Williams had a shocker of a day today. Just seemed like his head wasn’t on straight.
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Good goal but Williams had ample time to get close to their player he never moved just stood there.his agility is very poor.
While I don't really rate Williams no centre half in the world could have prevented the goal. Sometimes you've just got to hold your hands up and say good goal
I also think it is harsh to blame anyone for their goal today.
It was the best bit of skill seen today and any PL striker would have been proud to score that one.
If it had been on match of the day it would almost certainly be goal of the month.
Williams has his faults of course but so do most players in L2.
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What did Williams do wrong today ?
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Can't really blame Williams. Molyneaux left his man with miles of space, Knoyle couldn't stop the cross and Smyth performed some kind of miracle finish
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I thought Williams had a decent game today. We all see things differently don’t we?
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Williams is crap. On Tuesday against Hartlepool he was the defender that was getting beat to every flick on that Hartlepool were clearly using as their tactic from goal kicks to get the ball forward early. For such a big lad he wins nothing in the air when he is challenged.
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Hes absolutely abysmal. He has nothing to offer. No pace, no prescence, bad positioning, poor technically. A semi pro at best for me.
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If the midfield aren’t performing it makes our defence look bad
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Williams has played in every game this season and with the defensive injury crisis which we have had, it’s a good job that he has kept himself fit and injury free.
He’s not perfect by any means and you can point out several times in games this season where he might have done better, but he is our only experienced central defender who is currently fit to play and we need him as our key defender to help the younger lads…. By the way he’s only just 24 himself and still learning the game.
When the other three central defenders are fit and return to action, we’ll see whether he can retain his place, but for the foreseeable future he’s the first name on the team sheet in central defence.
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I didn't watch the game last night. But it appears Williams had an absolute shocker yesterday.
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Anderson is miles away from being the player he was, and Long is decent with the ball but slow and poor defensively, last night the most outstanding fact was a complete lack of pace, against a mobile quick attack, and players like Barlow, Ravenhill, and Reo contributing nothing to the game at all in front of them.
Once they overloaded us on the flanks when attacking they just ran past us with ease, none of our players with the pace to lay a glove on them.
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
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How easy is it to get a good CB in his prime?
Anderson is proven and we probably didn’t know his injury would be this bad. If we can keep him fit now, he will make a big difference.
Williams had to be dropped, he simply isn’t good enough. Hell be more effective upfront just running about.
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....
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Talking like there aren't 100s of free agents every year in the lower leagues many of whom will be decent and would play for Andersons salary which will be one of our highest earners.
Club thought it was doing the right thing if they didn't know Andersons injury problems would continue on the face of it he's a very good L2 player. So i can't say it was a mistake unless we knew his injury was going to be reoccurring.
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I think:
Long looked nice and steady.
Anderson looked like he hadn't played for a month.
Seaman and Williams were really bad first half.
Griffiths has turned into a right Dodoo
Molyneux and Hurst looked good
Miller needs to stay fit.
and Jones looked good too
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I didn't watch the game last night. But it appears Williams had an absolute shocker yesterday.
Neither did I but it sounds like Anderson was equally culpable but yet all the scorn is aimed Williams way. The DFP gave Williams a better rating than Anderson although there was much to be desired from them both.
While Williams has his limitations I think he's also defended well at times and some of the stick is way over the top.
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Seaman is not a defender and never has been he is ok going forward that’s it. If Knoyle played there we would have been better. Let’s see what we do on Saturday but saying that conceding 4 is the first half or any time is rubbish.
I still say this GMC believes some of his players are better than what they are.
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Our defence was non existent in the first half due in part to the midfield being poor. In turn it allowed Barnsley to more or less walk the ball in on 5 occasions (last being the pelanty)
Anderson looked at best rusty, Williams was certainly no worse, Seaman as mentioned above is not a full back which again put pressure on the centre halfs
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....
Lots operated at a very high level in L2 last season and were available on a free AND ended up moving to other L2 clubs on very achievable money for us.
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I think:
Long looked nice and steady.
Anderson looked like he hadn't played for a month.
Seaman and Williams were really bad first half.
Griffiths has turned into a right Dodoo
Molyneux and Hurst looked good
Miller needs to stay fit.
and Jones looked good too
Griffiths is nowhere near match-fit yet and it's ridiculous asking him to play up front on his own. He'd probably be a decent foil for Miller but I think we've actually only seen them together for about 20 minutes so far.
Williams is not very good, panics and can't pass a ball. Long's issue is pace. Anderson has never had much and I'm afraid he's got a lot to prove after his injuries. Seaman is not a defender nor a midfielder so I've no idea what we do with him. Barlow is Conference standard at best but Molyneux and Hurst are good when the ball is played to feet and I've an inkling that Taylor could yet have a big part to play this season.
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Personally I think the club should transfer list or send out on loan Seaman, Taylor, Griffiths and Anderson at the first chance available, it would free up some wages for some fitter/better players. I can totally understand if the players turn the chance down, but that’s up to them
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Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him
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Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him
I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe
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Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him
I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe
You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.
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Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him
I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe
You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.
Yes it was for their first goal, cracking finish but it was more difficult for Williams to head the ball back I to thar area than out for a corner,
Basics is to get it safe. Not put it across you own goal.
And that isn't the only time, he has done it in numerous occasions and got away with it.
But that makes me question why the hell are they not addressing this issue in training.
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He is the worst header of a ball I have ever seen from a football league Centre back.
He heads it sideways or straight up in the air most of the time. He seems to have no awareness of where his opponent is most of the time.
I genuinely thought he was much improved in pre season and in the first 6 games this season but he has gone backwards very fast to being a very poor defender as he was for most of last season.
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Bit harsh CR, appreciate it’s your opinion. That coincides with our midfield malfunctioning. Agree that there are better headers of the ball
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It's probably a confidence thing at the moment. But i've always said about Williams that it doesn't seem right a professional player who trains all week lacks so much technical ability. No one is expecting L2 centre halves to become Pirlo but if your getting paid to play you shouldn't shit the bed when you have the ball.
If he were dominating like a Rob Jones you'd forgive the lack of basic ability.
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Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him
I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe
You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.
Les Wilmot, a name from the past, I worked with him at Dunstons
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Williams plays worse with Anderson because he ends up being the 2nd centre half (like Joe Wright). More involved in covering and mopping up. That’s not his game at all. He needs to be on the front foot as the ball winner. He’s been ok this season generally but I kind of think it’s Anderson or him.
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There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.
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Draytonian:
or send out on loan Seaman, Taylor, Griffiths and Anderson at the first chance available, it would free up some wages for some fitter/better players.
If you’d said Seaman, Griffiths and Barlow I would agree. Taylor and Anderson need time to get up to speed before we judge them, imho.
In their place I would sign a decent central defensive midfielder on a 3 year contract and get in another striker on loan.
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Is he really a better prospect than Cameron John?
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My reading was that RSW was under contract but Cam wasn’t so it was a case of best use of budget rather than RSW being considered the better prospect. I thought Cam was clearly the better player but he had also been more injury prone so overall I thought the decision was understandable.
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Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts
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Is he really a better prospect than Cameron John?
NO
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Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts
I thought he’d been out injured?
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Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts
I thought he’d been out injured?
I heard that earlier on in the season when he was starting. Know he wasn't in the team when we played them so maybe injured now
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Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts
I thought he’d been out injured?
I heard that earlier on in the season when he was starting. Know he wasn't in the team when we played them so maybe injured now
More or less justifies the decision
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....
I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....
I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.
Yep, he was cheap, fit the profile and would have walked over hot coals to sign for us. Just a complete myth that there aren’t good, under the radar, CHEAP, low risk, players that become available on frees every summer. We just don't have a good enough process which enables us to consistently find them.
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Yeah hate it when the throw away question is "well who would you get?" this goes for managers players everything.
Point is most people have their own lifes/jobs and only really have time to follow their team. So just because you can't think of anyone doesn't mean they don't exist. Just means we aren't employed as scouts or analysts or whatever you want to call it.
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Totally agree with Gaz, we should have dispatched with sentiment and not given Anderson another year, might have got 3 players for the wages he is on
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Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.
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There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.
He has all the attributes you can't coach. He's tall, strong and fast. He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range. If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.
So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good. After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.
And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air. Not what you want from a 4th division defender. I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.
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There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.
He has all the attributes you can't coach. He's tall, strong and fast. He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range. If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.
So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good. After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.
And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air. Not what you want from a 4th division defender. I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.
Has anyone actually seen that pace he is supposed to have, because I haven’t
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Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.
But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.
The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.
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Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.
But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.
The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.
Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.
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There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.
He has all the attributes you can't coach. He's tall, strong and fast. He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range. If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.
So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good. After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.
And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air. Not what you want from a 4th division defender. I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.
I wonder how long it’d take him to run 100m with the ball at his feet??
In the 70’s I used to love in Away Programmes, in the ‘Pen Pictures of our players, they always managed to get in that Brendan O’Callaghan was a former Yorkshire Schools 400m hurdles Champion!
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Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.
But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.
The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.
Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.
It’s part of the same operation, the HoF concentrates on the football part of the business, Gavin looks after the more commercial side.
That was my point.
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Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.
But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.
The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.
Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.
It’s part of the same operation, the HoF concentrates on the football part of the business, Gavin looks after the more commercial side.
That was my point.
Does the HoF deal with manager firing and hiring? If so do we know if they have a shortlist to make a quick move when the inevitable happens?
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Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.
Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....
I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.
Not only the best centre back, arguably in the to three players of any position.
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Not only the best centre back, arguably in the to three players of any position.
Couldn't have said it better myself...... :blink:
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Not only the best centre back, arguably in the top three players of any position.
Couldn't have said it better myself...... :blink:
There's one letter missing :)