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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on February 25, 2023, 05:21:59 pm
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Terrible, truly terrible, cost us the game, eventually if you keep giving the opposition the ball you will get punished, made a couple of good saves, but for all the good stuff he cost us the match, he needs to spend the whole ofnext week working on his kicking!
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I said when we signed him that his issues were “errors that lead to goals”. Too high to ever be classed as a good keeper.
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Passed a goal kick to Clayton stood on his own in the centre circle, shocking distribution.
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I've said repeatedly that he's simply not good enough. I'm amazed he's been our no. 1 for so long.
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He made three superb saves before the goal. He’s a good keeper for us and better than we’ve had for a few years now.
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I've said repeatedly that he's simply not good enough. I'm amazed he's been our no. 1 for so long.
You do know that our only other option is the 16 year old kid that was on the bench!
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Had a mare for the goal.
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He made three superb saves before the goal. He’s a good keeper for us and better than we’ve had for a few years now.
He also gave them the ball three or four times kicking the ball straight to there player, without a Rovers player anywhere near them
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Trouble is at the moment there is no one to replace him. Jones and Bottomley both injured and we have a 16 year old on the bench. A replacement would have to be a 7 day emergency line. Not sure we’d get one in as Mitchell ain’t injured.
COYR
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He had a good game up to the goal. He makes good saves but he doesn't seem suited to how we play. I feel Schofield will want different in the summer.
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He made three superb saves before the goal. He’s a good keeper for us and better than we’ve had for a few years now.
He also gave them the ball three or four times kicking the ball straight to there player, without a Rovers player anywhere near them
You could say that about any of the out field players as well
COYR
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I've said repeatedly that he's simply not good enough. I'm amazed he's been our no. 1 for so long.
You do know that our only other option is the 16 year old kid that was on the bench!
Yes I do know that. We've had two transfer windows to improve in his position, however we've decided against it for whatever reason.
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He made three superb saves before the goal. He’s a good keeper for us and better than we’ve had for a few years now.
He also gave them the ball three or four times kicking the ball straight to there player, without a Rovers player anywhere near them
You could say that about any of the out field players as well
COYR
Yes usually when Mitchell gives them the ball under pressure
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He made three superb saves before the goal. He’s a good keeper for us and better than we’ve had for a few years now.
He also gave them the ball three or four times kicking the ball straight to there player, without a Rovers player anywhere near them
You could say that about any of the out field players as well
COYR
Yes usually when Mitchell gives them the ball under pressure
No, to many poor passes from all the outfield players not always when Mitchell has actually found them with a pass
COYR
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Only one nearly moment early in the second half where Lakin pulled it back to Hurst who was stretching too much. Easy game for Bradford. Another poster mentioned this but the lack of movement for our throw ins is shocking. I have thought that for some time.
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Terrible, truly terrible, cost us the game, eventually if you keep giving the opposition the ball you will get punished, made a couple of good saves, but for all the good stuff he cost us the match, he needs to spend the whole ofnext week working on his kicking!
Terrible, truly terrible tactics from the manager cost us this game. As they've cost us any chance of achieving anything this season. As they've cost my sanity watching this dreary, defensive, clueless rubbish match after match.
If it wasn't for Mitchell we'd have got beat 3 or 4 to nil. And deservedly so.
Yes he was poor for the goal but it was coming.
We all know his distribution is poor. So should the manager. Instructions for goal kicks should be adapted to suit. The whole team didn't have a clue what they were doing at the goal kick which led to the goal. Go back and look at where they were all stood. It wasn't the only occasion either.
Leave the players alone. They're League 2 footballers doing their best. Save the criticism for where it's deserved.
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We will struggle to get a better keeper than Mitchell.
One good double save in the first half and two great saves in the second half, both of which I thought were stitched on goals for Bradford.
I would much rather have a keeper who makes saves and comes and gets crosses over one that can pass the ball.
Yes, he was at fault for the goal but he had kept us in the game up to that moment.
Overall we are just not good enough.
I only once thought we might score today, when Hurst just couldn’t get a good enough contact to a cut back across goal.
I thought several times that Bradford might score.
They were stronger than us all game and we also had no answer to their press when we had goal kicks.
Generally they had eight players in our half and left us with few options to get the ball forward, at times they had all ten outfield players in our half.
Mid table mediocrity is where I predicted at the start of the season for us and I would have been happy with that after the last couple of of years.
On the up side, I can see small improvements since the transfer window but we aren’t going to finish in the top seven.
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We will struggle to get a better keeper than Mitchell.
One good double save in the first half and two great saves in the second half, both of which I thought were stitched on goals for Bradford.
I would much rather have a keeper who makes saves and comes and gets crosses over one that can pass the ball.
Yes, he was at fault for the goal but he had kept us in the game up to that moment.
Overall we are just not good enough.
I only once thought we might score today, when Hurst just couldn’t get a good enough contact to a cut back across goal.
I thought several times that Bradford might score.
They were stronger than us all game and we also had no answer to their press when we had goal kicks.
Generally they had eight players in our half and left us with few options to get the ball forward, at times they had all ten outfield players in our half.
Mid table mediocrity is where I predicted at the start of the season for us and I would have been happy with that after the last couple of of years.
On the up side, I can see small improvements since the transfer window but we aren’t going to finish in the top seven.
Agree with this.
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The players we have are not remotely good enough to mount a sustained challenge at the top of the league.
I'm sure Schofield realises that.
We have had quite awful recruitment for 2 years and we are left with what we are - a midtable Division 4 side.
I don't get what people are wanting Schofield to do. He clearly has a style of play that he wants to inculcate into the side. Sometimes it works and we look a reasonable side. Sometimes it doesn't and we look shocking.
No one criticising him has addressed the question: What style of football could anyone play and be successful with the players we have signed over the past 2 years?
We need a dose of realism. We have recruited f**king dreadfully for 2 years. It's going to take at least that long to put that right.
In the meantime, hopefully Schofield is running the rule over the current players that can play the way he wants, and lining up others of the requiremed standard.
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The players we have are not remotely good enough to mount a sustained challenge at the top of the league.
I'm sure Schofield realises that.
We have had quite awful recruitment for 2 years and we are left with what we are - a midtable Division 4 side.
I don't get what people are wanting Schofield to do. He clearly has a style of play that he wants to inculcate into the side. Sometimes it works and we look a reasonable side. Sometimes it doesn't and we look shocking.
No one criticising him has addressed the question: What style of football could anyone play and be successful with the players we have signed over the past 2 years?
We need a dose of realism. We have recruited f**king dreadfully for 2 years. It's going to take at least that long to put that right.
In the meantime, hopefully Schofield is running the rule over the current players that can play the way he wants, and lining up others of the requiremed standard.
Also agree with this and have made same point repeatedly. Sign better players and we will improve.
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The problem we have is that we are too nice. We need some bruisers in the side. We are top of the fair play league for a reason, we don't get stuck in enough to get many yellow cards!!
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Think he just needs to be told to simplify it. Not good enough to play balls into midfield. Either play short or play it as long as he can
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The players we have are not remotely good enough to mount a sustained challenge at the top of the league.
I'm sure Schofield realises that.
We have had quite awful recruitment for 2 years and we are left with what we are - a midtable Division 4 side.
I don't get what people are wanting Schofield to do. He clearly has a style of play that he wants to inculcate into the side. Sometimes it works and we look a reasonable side. Sometimes it doesn't and we look shocking.
No one criticising him has addressed the question: What style of football could anyone play and be successful with the players we have signed over the past 2 years?
We need a dose of realism. We have recruited f**king dreadfully for 2 years. It's going to take at least that long to put that right.
In the meantime, hopefully Schofield is running the rule over the current players that can play the way he wants, and lining up others of the requiremed standard.
I agree the players aren't good enough to sustain a top of league/automatic promotion push. But I do think they are capable of competing to finish in the play offs.
I agree recruitment has been awful for the last 2 years. Hence our demise. But we still have some capable League 2 players.
Regardless there is no excuse for the dire, defensive tactics being employed. Especially at home. Are you happy with playing 5 at the back? Having a lone centre forward totally isolated? Only 2 players in midfield and so ceding the majority of possession to the opposition game after game?
I would just like to watch Rovers giving a right good go. Trying to attack and score goals. Even if that is not successful in terms of league position. Is that really asking too much? To go to the football and be entertained?
Are you enjoying watching Rovers play right now?
Enjoyment from watching football is not solely derived from seeing your team win and being top of the league. It's also from watching your team, despite their limitations, taking the game to their opponents, trying to create, score, attack. Where is that right now??
What is being served up right now is unacceptable defensive boring dross regardless of how good or bad the players are.
In addition these tactics are utterly ineffective. I don't believe they're getting the best out of the current players. They are a discouragement to supporters attending or purchasing season tickets. Which in turn reduces the likelihood of the club being able to afford to turn around their appalling recruitment record.
And so the death spiral continues.
TBH I can't see these tactics being successful whoever we sign on. I'm concerned with the way we're playing that we'll be nearer the foot of the table than the top next season.
The manager needs to adapt his tactics from coaching manual idealism to League 2 pragmatism that suit the level of players Rovers possess. Either that or brush up his CV and look for a different career path.
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We didn't play 2 in central midfield.
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We didn't play 2 in central midfield.
You clearly were watching a different game to me!
Close and Biggins central midfield. Hurst on the right. Lakin on the left. Miller isolated up front.
Same system as ever.
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If Hartlepool can sign a keeper better than Mitchell then surely we can.
Here’s his error for their goal.
https://twitter.com/braysoj1/status/1629520405303029760?s=46&t=UsVVd7OCIdY4BxirGkmbGg
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If Hartlepool can sign a keeper better than Mitchell then surely we can.
Here’s his error for their goal.
https://twitter.com/braysoj1/status/1629520405303029760?s=46&t=UsVVd7OCIdY4BxirGkmbGg
His error was before that, kicking it straight to a Bradford player resulting in a corner and a goal, their only corner of the game
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If Hartlepool can sign a keeper better than Mitchell then surely we can.
Here’s his error for their goal.
https://twitter.com/braysoj1/status/1629520405303029760?s=46&t=UsVVd7OCIdY4BxirGkmbGg
If 11 teams above us in the league can sign a better squad than ours then surely we can.
I can't believe you're singling him out with some of the sh*t in front of him.
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He was voted our man of the match, and rightly so. His pass accuracy was no worse than most if not all of the outfield players.
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If Hartlepool can sign a keeper better than Mitchell then surely we can.
Here’s his error for their goal.
https://twitter.com/braysoj1/status/1629520405303029760?s=46&t=UsVVd7OCIdY4BxirGkmbGg
That wasn’t just Mitchell’s error.
No one tracked or blocked Cook.
No one blocked their runners.
No one attacked the ball.
Take it through frame by frame and that was a well worked training ground routine by City.
We, on the other hand, looked utterly clueless.
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I’m not singling him out SS, a few were poorer than him today.
Big H. You make a point. But none of that would have mattered had Mitchell caught the ball.
He makes some good saves, but who would offer him a contract renewal?
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Mitchell had kept us in the game up to the goal.
If he hadn’t done so it could easily have been three or four nil and three sides of the ground would have been almost empty.
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I’m not singling him out SS, a few were poorer than him today.
Big H. You make a point. But none of that would have mattered had Mitchell caught the ball.
He makes some good saves, but who would offer him a contract renewal?
Agree nc that Mitchell was at fault. Should at least have punched the ball away. Totally missed it.
Every team in this division knows that, at a corner, rushing Mitchell with two attackers will ruffle him. It's been apparent since we signed him. Point is to try and protect him. There was none of that in that move.
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The fact is Mitchell has turned out to be a very good goal keeper.
He made 2 fantastic saves today one looked world class from where i was sat. The one down to Mitchell’s left bottom corner.
If Gordon Banks had made that save it then it would be replayed over and over again.
( There again it would have been a bit of a miracle as he passed away some years ago. )
Mitchell just lets himself down with some of his crazy distribution.
He must be getting told to play it out short or just kick it onto space. Three times he did the same thing and the ball went straight to Clayton twice and to another player once and we were immediately on the back foot again.
The tactics are quite crazy. If this is modern day possession football then it is flawed. 100% flawed at league 2 level. They don’t get it right in the Premier league so what hope is there at 4th tier level.
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Great shot stopper awful distributor
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The fact is Mitchell has turned out to be a very good goal keeper.
He made 2 fantastic saves today one looked world class from where i was sat. The one down to Mitchell’s left bottom corner.
If Gordon Banks had made that save it then it would be replayed over and over again.
( There again it would have been a bit of a miracle as he passed away some years ago. )
Mitchell just lets himself down with some of his crazy distribution.
He must be getting told to play it out short or just kick it onto space. Three times he did the same thing and the ball went straight to Clayton twice and to another player once and we were immediately on the back foot again.
The tactics are quite crazy. If this is modern day possession football then it is flawed. 100% flawed at league 2 level. They don’t get it right in the Premier league so what hope is there at 4th tier level.
Towards the end of the first half one of our backroom staff was pointing at his watch and telling him to go long, as if to say nearly half time don’t f**k it up now
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The fact is Mitchell has turned out to be a very good goal keeper.
He made 2 fantastic saves today one looked world class from where i was sat. The one down to Mitchell’s left bottom corner.
If Gordon Banks had made that save it then it would be replayed over and over again.
( There again it would have been a bit of a miracle as he passed away some years ago. )
Mitchell just lets himself down with some of his crazy distribution.
He must be getting told to play it out short or just kick it onto space. Three times he did the same thing and the ball went straight to Clayton twice and to another player once and we were immediately on the back foot again.
The tactics are quite crazy. If this is modern day possession football then it is flawed. 100% flawed at league 2 level. They don’t get it right in the Premier league so what hope is there at 4th tier level.
Towards the end of the first half one of our backroom staff was pointing at his watch and telling him to go long, as if to say nearly half time don’t f**k it up now
Or alternatively, go long because we have no idea how to beat the Bradford press.
Whenever we had a goal kick Bradford had a minimum of 8 players in our half and often they had ten players there.
There was one time that we had a throw in down in the SW corner and every outfield player on the pitch was within 35 yards of the thrower.
We had no answer to their tactics today.
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The fact is Mitchell has turned out to be a very good goal keeper.
He made 2 fantastic saves today one looked world class from where i was sat. The one down to Mitchell’s left bottom corner.
If Gordon Banks had made that save it then it would be replayed over and over again.
( There again it would have been a bit of a miracle as he passed away some years ago. )
Mitchell just lets himself down with some of his crazy distribution.
He must be getting told to play it out short or just kick it onto space. Three times he did the same thing and the ball went straight to Clayton twice and to another player once and we were immediately on the back foot again.
The tactics are quite crazy. If this is modern day possession football then it is flawed. 100% flawed at league 2 level. They don’t get it right in the Premier league so what hope is there at 4th tier level.
Towards the end of the first half one of our backroom staff was pointing at his watch and telling him to go long, as if to say nearly half time don’t f**k it up now
Or alternatively, go long because we have no idea how to beat the Bradford press.
Whenever we had a goal kick Bradford had a minimum of 8 players in our half and often they had ten players there.
There was one time that we had a throw in down in the SW corner and every outfield player on the pitch was within 35 yards of the thrower.
We had no answer to their tactics today.
I’d accept that alternative if he wasn’t pointing at his watch, it was like they knew a bollock was coming and didn’t want to concede before half time
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Mitchell had kept us in the game up to the goal.
If he hadn’t done so it could easily have been three or four nil and three sides of the ground would have been almost empty.
1 save was brilliant. 1 error balanced it out. Meanwhile his kicking was infuriating.
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The fact is Mitchell has turned out to be a very good goal keeper.
He made 2 fantastic saves today one looked world class from where i was sat. The one down to Mitchell’s left bottom corner.
If Gordon Banks had made that save it then it would be replayed over and over again.
( There again it would have been a bit of a miracle as he passed away some years ago. )
Mitchell just lets himself down with some of his crazy distribution.
He must be getting told to play it out short or just kick it onto space. Three times he did the same thing and the ball went straight to Clayton twice and to another player once and we were immediately on the back foot again.
The tactics are quite crazy. If this is modern day possession football then it is flawed. 100% flawed at league 2 level. They don’t get it right in the Premier league so what hope is there at 4th tier level.
Towards the end of the first half one of our backroom staff was pointing at his watch and telling him to go long, as if to say nearly half time don’t f**k it up now
Or alternatively, go long because we have no idea how to beat the Bradford press.
Whenever we had a goal kick Bradford had a minimum of 8 players in our half and often they had ten players there.
There was one time that we had a throw in down in the SW corner and every outfield player on the pitch was within 35 yards of the thrower.
We had no answer to their tactics today.
I’d accept that alternative if he wasn’t pointing at his watch, it was like they knew a bollock was coming and didn’t want to concede before half time
Yeah, I did see that watch pointing thing and you may well be right.
Then again he might have been passing on some second hand information.
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Mitchell had kept us in the game up to the goal.
If he hadn’t done so it could easily have been three or four nil and three sides of the ground would have been almost empty.
1 save was brilliant. 1 error balanced it out. Meanwhile his kicking was infuriating.
He made a fantastic double save in the first half and two exceptional ones in the second half.
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Comfortably Man of the Match in spite of his faults with the goal.
He made some excellent saves. If it weren't for him Rovers would have been on the end of a thoroughly deserved pasting of a score line.
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I seem to remember Neil Sullivan's kicking being pretty shite for us but back then we had far more energetic players willing to give chase and retrieve the situation.
It's much MUCH more difficult for Mitchell now having a team that play like slugs on valium.
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Mitchell had kept us in the game up to the goal.
If he hadn’t done so it could easily have been three or four nil and three sides of the ground would have been almost empty.
1 save was brilliant. 1 error balanced it out. Meanwhile his kicking was infuriating.
He made a fantastic double save in the first half and two exceptional ones in the second half.
I forgot that, fair enough
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I can’t watch him any more, he absolutely infuriates me.
Iv seen a video of the goal from the Bradford end and it’s not even goalkeeping, it was beyond pathetic.
I do accept he made some saves but when people say “he kept us in it”, that is his job you know. Most of these saves any other competent goalkeepers would save. He’s not doing anything other goalkeepers wouldnt.
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Where were our centre halves for Bradfords goal?
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Also as a fan there’s no point Mitchell making world class saves then giving away soft goals.
I can accept losing to chances created by the opposition which must be decent if the keeper has to make a worldie to stop them. But doing that all game is pointless if we give them a goal they didn’t even have to work for
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I think a lot of the issues with distribution lie with what has he got to aim at upfield? There is literally nobody in midfield or attack who I'd back to win a header. There's no target man. So when Mitchell is forced to go long, what's he got to aim at? What are the chance we'll win the ball? It's a really big problem.
Bradford showed you don't need to be neat and tidy in this league. You need to be direct, solid defensively and a target man up top. They were a nothing side and Hughes is no mastermind for how he has them set up and playing.
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I think a lot of the issues with distribution lie with what has he got to aim at upfield? There is literally nobody in midfield or attack who I'd back to win a header. There's no target man. So when Mitchell is forced to go long, what's he got to aim at? What are the chance we'll win the ball? It's a really big problem.
Bradford showed you don't need to be neat and tidy in this league. You need to be direct, solid defensively and a target man up top. They were a nothing side and Hughes is no mastermind for how he has them set up and playing.
I think this system can work, It is just crying out for a Chris Brown style striker and a quick thinking GK who can distribute quickly.
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Even with no target up top the safe way to restart is to send it high and wide to the touch line. Ok we won’t win the 1st ball but we can make it hard for them to get a free header then we play from the second ball.
I like that we try play out but we need to mix it up. In the 1st half we mixed it up and played in their half a bit more.
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I can’t watch him any more, he absolutely infuriates me.
Iv seen a video of the goal from the Bradford end and it’s not even goalkeeping, it was beyond pathetic.
I do accept he made some saves but when people say “he kept us in it”, that is his job you know. Most of these saves any other competent goalkeepers would save. He’s not doing anything other goalkeepers wouldnt.
Mush, all keepers make mistakes that end up with a goal being conceded, it goes with the job just as much as making saves does.
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Where were our centre backs someone said.
I can’t remember Olowu winning any headers yesterday.
Thought he had a poor game. He had been excellent since he returned to the team but really struggled yesterday. Big Tom i thought had a good game. Nelson shows promise but does give ball away trying to play too much at times.
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Where were our centre backs someone said.
I can’t remember Olowu winning any headers yesterday.
Thought he had a poor game. He had been excellent since he returned to the team but really struggled yesterday. Big Tom i thought had a good game. Nelson shows promise but does give ball away trying to play too much at times.
Tom was lucky to be still on the pitch after his lunge on Clayton, mind when Clayton got yellow carded after 10 mins I said surely he can’t go another 80 mins without risking another yellow, we should have been in his face after that, but we’re too nice aren’t we
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If we think of the alternative, a keeper even accurately hammering a ball upfield in the hope of the central striker trapping and distributing the ball, isn’t the most effective way of winning or retaining possession. Taking the ball out yourself from the back is far more likely to result in ball retention in the opposition half.
Granted we can at times lose this as we play out, but is it any worse than knocking it long to the big guy? Maybe we lose possession further up the pitch, but we still lose possession.
Perhaps the solution is to try and get it out by playing faster from the back. It doesn’t need to be done at snail pace.
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Up to their goal he was MOM. The save to his left 9 times out of 10 that goes in. It's a great save.
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If we think of the alternative, a keeper even accurately hammering a ball upfield in the hope of the central striker trapping and distributing the ball, isn’t the most effective way of winning or retaining possession. Taking the ball out yourself from the back is far more likely to result in ball retention in the opposition half.
Granted we can at times lose this as we play out, but is it any worse than knocking it long to the big guy? Maybe we lose possession further up the pitch, but we still lose possession.
Perhaps the solution is to try and get it out by playing faster from the back. It doesn’t need to be done at snail pace.
In theory your right but reality is it ends up with us having a throw in in our own half or worse.
Go long and compete properly for the second ball dandy we can play in the opposition half. This is exactly what happened when we went long in the 1st half
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If we think of the alternative, a keeper even accurately hammering a ball upfield in the hope of the central striker trapping and distributing the ball, isn’t the most effective way of winning or retaining possession. Taking the ball out yourself from the back is far more likely to result in ball retention in the opposition half.
Granted we can at times lose this as we play out, but is it any worse than knocking it long to the big guy? Maybe we lose possession further up the pitch, but we still lose possession.
Perhaps the solution is to try and get it out by playing faster from the back. It doesn’t need to be done at snail pace.
If we play it long from goal kicks it’s all about winning second balls. Yes Miller is not a big target man so won’t win many high balls played to him. What we need to do is win those second balls that come from the oppositions centre backs. We then can build attacks from higher up the pitch.
We were struggling to get anywhere near the half way line playing out from the back yesterday before losing possession.
Bradford had us in their pockets. We were so obvious and far too slow. It doesn’t work. Our players are not good enough to beat a high press. If DS can’t see it then we’re in trouble. Premier league players mess it up so what makes him think this group of League 2 players can play it. Madness, Stupidity, stubbiness & even insanity are 4 words that come to mind.
Forget the coaching manuals and play effective attacking League 2 football. Ask Dave Penney how to do it.
Oh for having a team like that 03/04 team right now. Players with steel at the back, ball winners in midfield, pace and skill out wide, goal scorers up front and a team with a never say die attitude, and a winning mentality.
Oh I must have been dreaming, just woken up to the reality of 2022/23
Well there is always next season. ;)
It’s along time since I have been so depressed after a match. We had a massive opportunity yesterday against a fairly ave Bradford team and we completely blew it.
I just can’t see how the season has got any legs left for us now. We need a miracle. Don’t see one happening.
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Where were our centre backs someone said.
I can’t remember Olowu winning any headers yesterday.
Thought he had a poor game. He had been excellent since he returned to the team but really struggled yesterday. Big Tom i thought had a good game. Nelson shows promise but does give ball away trying to play too much at times.
Tom was lucky to be still on the pitch after his lunge on Clayton, mind when Clayton got yellow carded after 10 mins I said surely he can’t go another 80 mins without risking another yellow, we should have been in his face after that, but we’re too nice aren’t we
We have seen this season that Clayton can't cope with a player in his face, he's too slow & gets caught in possession, so what did we do? stood off him, let him play & influence the game. We should have been in his face all the more after his booking. I honestly don't know the manager is thinking sometimes.
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It’s worked the best under Schofield when the full backs press on hard and interplay with the midfield. I can’t think of too many times yesterday where Rowe or Brown really got beyond our midfield. Instead it was painfully slow from the back and then asking Hurst in particular to perform wonders by dribbling round the 8 Bradford City players who had by now got behind the ball.
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Great shot stopper awful distributor
And add awful decisions making. He has made some great saves but that is far outnumbered by errors.
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Great shot stopper awful distributor
And add awful decisions making. He has made some great saves but that is far outnumbered by errors.
GazLaz will have the stats to prove/disprove this
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Can someone provide a list of the League 2 keepers who are all better than Mitchell, and who are in Rovers' wages range.
In your own time.
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Can someone provide a list of the League 2 keepers who are all better than Mitchell, and who are in Rovers' wages range.
In your own time.
League 2 save percentages
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/_save_percentage/league-two-players
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The defenders in front of the keeper will have an effect on those save percentages.
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The defenders in front of the keeper will have an effect on those save percentages.
True, a good defence means that opposition attackers get more desperate with their attempts.
But here is league 2 goalkeepers “Goals prevented” also
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/_goals_prevented/league-two-players
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Looking at those lists a Keeper has to be a priority in the summer. I’ve always thought he wasn’t that bad just a poor kicker who is been asked to play like a good one. But sometimes the stats cut through especially when comparing to his peers.
We’re not at the bottom of the league so you’d expect him to be mid table or there abouts
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The defenders in front of the keeper will have an effect on those save percentages.
True, a good defence means that opposition attackers get more desperate with their attempts.
But here is league 2 goalkeepers “Goals prevented” also
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/_goals_prevented/league-two-players
This might be a silly question but what does “goals prevented” actually refer to.
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If we want to play this possession based football, play out from the back etc, then we need a new keeper. He's a good shot stopper but distribution is terrible and he's not great with crosses is he.
DM dropped Lawlor and got Dieng in which seemed harsh at the time but it suited how we wanted to play and turned into a very good decision. I don't expect Mitchell to be offered a new deal.
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The defenders in front of the keeper will have an effect on those save percentages.
True, a good defence means that opposition attackers get more desperate with their attempts.
But here is league 2 goalkeepers “Goals prevented” also
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/_goals_prevented/league-two-players
This might be a silly question but what does “goals prevented” actually refer to.
It uses expected goals data (based on the quality of the chance) and combines it with say expected saves (based on the quality of the shot on target).
Mitchell’s brilliant saves do not make up for his errors basically.
Based on shots on target, he has cost us 7.4 goals this season - the worst in the league. Whilst Vigouroux has prevented 5.9 for Orient for example.
Combine this with his poor distribution and it doesn’t look good.
So in answer to the question from SS, I would imagine that at least half of the other league 2 goalies are within our wage budget.
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I don't think a new keeper will be a priority for next season. With the limited budget DS will have at his disposal he should be looking at signing players to beef up the outfield. We need an Alan Little or two in midfield for starters and then a Warby up front.
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I don't think a new keeper will be a priority for next season. With the limited budget DS will have at his disposal he should be looking at signing players to beef up the outfield. We need an Alan Little or two in midfield for starters and then a Warby up front.
Mitchell is out of contract anyway
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I don't think a new keeper will be a priority for next season. With the limited budget DS will have at his disposal he should be looking at signing players to beef up the outfield. We need an Alan Little or two in midfield for starters and then a Warby up front.
To be fair as much as we loved Animal, he would spend more time banned than playing these days
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Can’t understand the people who praise him, the sooner we get this season over and let him go the better
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What is a keepers job?
Save shots so agility is important. That’s your starting point & Mitchell has that. He’s made some cracking saves.
Marshall your defence, be vocal. John Wayne couldn’t Marshall that defence. He clearly fails there.
Catching the ball, command your area. His catching has improved but, that corner went straight through his hands on Saturday. The jury’s still out.
Distribution. Diabolical. What does he practice in training? It’s as if he closes his eyes before kicking the ball. Rolling the ball out to defenders (as he’s clearly been instructed to whenever possible), he’s not releasing the ball quick enough. He holds the ball to his chest, looks around, points by which time the opposition has had time to position themselves ready to close down the defender receiving the ball who is then rushed into a decision to release the ball. This usually ends up with the defender giving the ball to an opposing player or passing it back to Mitchell because they don’t have the ability to bring the ball out & hit a penetrating pass.
But unfortunately he’s the best we have at this time.
Practise those bl**dy kicks!
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Steve, why not both?
His contract is running out. Based on those stats and his shocking distribution, would you offer him a new contract or start looking for a better upcoming free agent now?
I bet you that he is not playing at this level as a first choice next season.
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He made a mess of the goal on Saturday but all season he has been consistently good under the high ball, in spite of what has been in front of him at times.
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He has been very good all season when coming to collect high balls into the box, which takes pressure off defenders.
To be honest I was shocked when he missed the ball from that corner on Saturday.
When I saw where the ball was going I was very confident that he would deal with it.
As for not releasing the ball quickly, very often there isn’t an option other than dropping it short to a defender in our box.
There is zero movement in front of him and on Saturday the Bradford press was incredibly good.You can see how frustrated he sometimes gets.
People in the crowd shout at him to release the ball quickly but if he did and it resulted in us conceding then the same people would be on his back for playing a team mate into trouble.
Furthermore, if he decides to kick it long who the heck is going to win the ball.
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Really surprised he didn’t claim that corner because one of his main strengths is claiming crosses, he’s a decent league 2 keeper and has kept us in a lot of games this season and has probs overall won us more points than he’s lost us.
I do however think he will either be moved on in the summer or kept on but as a backup depending on his wage demands as I think DS will want to bring another keeper in who has better distribution.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Strikers win you games, defences win you titles. Didn't Cloughie say that when he brought in Shilton?
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Really surprised he didn’t claim that corner because one of his main strengths is claiming crosses, he’s a decent league 2 keeper and has kept us in a lot of games this season and has probs overall won us more points than he’s lost us.
I do however think he will either be moved on in the summer or kept on but as a backup depending on his wage demands as I think DS will want to bring another keeper in who has better distribution.
Goalkeepers don't win you games. They can definitely lose you games though.
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If we ever get 1 0 up though and GK saves 2 close range efforts and makes a bril Penalty save it would be harsh to not say GK won the 3 points ?
OK he didn't score the Goal ( I'm assuming that as he would have won.the game then ) but I'd say he deserved praise for earning us 3 points
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He has been very good all season when coming to collect high balls into the box, which takes pressure off defenders.
To be honest I was shocked when he missed the ball from that corner on Saturday.
When I saw where the ball was going I was very confident that he would deal with it.
As for not releasing the ball quickly, very often there isn’t an option other than dropping it short to a defender in our box.
There is zero movement in front of him and on Saturday the Bradford press was incredibly good.You can see how frustrated he sometimes gets.
People in the crowd shout at him to release the ball quickly but if he did and it resulted in us conceding then the same people would be on his back for playing a team mate into trouble.
Furthermore, if he decides to kick it long who the heck is going to win the ball.
Yes he’s good at collecting the balls !!! Out of the back of the net.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Exactly. It'd be like replacing the bowl to rectify a leaky tap!
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If we ever get 1 0 up though and GK saves 2 close range efforts and makes a bril Penalty save it would be harsh to not say GK won the 3 points ?
OK he didn't score the Goal ( I'm assuming that as he would have won.the game then ) but I'd say he deserved praise for earning us 3 points
Exactly, Wolfie. When we won 1-0 at Lincoln in the lockdown season, it was Ellery Balcombe who won us the 3 points that day.
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He also went nuts, piled into one of their players when under no pressure, and conceded a penalty. That he then saved it was little recompense. Total loose cannon and entirely self inflicted.
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He has been very good all season when coming to collect high balls into the box, which takes pressure off defenders.
To be honest I was shocked when he missed the ball from that corner on Saturday.
When I saw where the ball was going I was very confident that he would deal with it.
As for not releasing the ball quickly, very often there isn’t an option other than dropping it short to a defender in our box.
There is zero movement in front of him and on Saturday the Bradford press was incredibly good.You can see how frustrated he sometimes gets.
People in the crowd shout at him to release the ball quickly but if he did and it resulted in us conceding then the same people would be on his back for playing a team mate into trouble.
Furthermore, if he decides to kick it long who the heck is going to win the ball.
Yes he’s good at collecting the balls !!! Out of the back of the net.
You just don’t like him do you.
If he saved 3 penalties you would find a reason to have a pop.
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He also went nuts, piled into one of their players when under no pressure, and conceded a penalty. That he then saved it was little recompense. Total loose cannon and entirely self inflicted.
I agree, but it was the fact that he saved 2 penalties that made me think he won us the match. That, plus other good saves.
We were hardly in that game.
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He also went nuts, piled into one of their players when under no pressure, and conceded a penalty. That he then saved it was little recompense. Total loose cannon and entirely self inflicted.
I agree, but it was the fact that he saved 2 penalties that made me think he won us the match. That, plus other good saves.
We were hardly in that game.
I think we’d been riding our luck for a few games, then it started to run out drastically.
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As a keeper at this level i think Mitchell is decent enough, his shot stopping and coming out for crosses is good, his positional sense could do with a bit of a rethink but nothing there too drastic.
His biggest failings are his kicking and distribution. We don't know how much of this is mandated by his coach but the long ball out wide that kept on going out is the percentage play when playing it long , unless you have a proper beast up front who can command the middle of the pitch, so not for us.
Same has his very slow and deliberate handling playing the ball out, i think he's actually speeded this up somewhat from last season but it still leaves him short, the team tactics are a big part of this issue, that and the fact we seem to have a team full of static players every time we have a dead ball situation, be it from Mitchell or from any throw in, when was the last time we won a ball at a throw in ?
Mitchell just needs to be told to look for a quick release every time he has the ball, the rest of the team need to provide him with an outlet to throw the ball out to in the first place to achieve this task. Maybe a quite talk with Jones may help, his biggest plus point was always the quick distribution when playing.
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If we are playing out from the back for good or ill, all he has to do is pass the ball to someone near him. We don’t break out quickly so we are not looking for him to throw out or kick accurately, just pass it to Nelson!
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He also went nuts, piled into one of their players when under no pressure, and conceded a penalty. That he then saved it was little recompense. Total loose cannon and entirely self inflicted.
I agree, but it was the fact that he saved 2 penalties that made me think he won us the match. That, plus other good saves.
We were hardly in that game.
I think we’d been riding our luck for a few games, then it started to run out drastically.
That's right, 1-3 at Fleetwood and 1-4 at Sunderland, then the rot really set in.
There were too many loans in that side anyway.
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Defending for that Sunderland game was as bad as I’ve ever seen us.
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Defending for that Sunderland game was as bad as I’ve ever seen us.
That's right. A cross from the left by McGeady onto Wyke's head, FOUR TIMES, and Moore never tried to do anything tactically to stop it.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Steve, why not both?
His contract is running out. Based on those stats and his shocking distribution, would you offer him a new contract or start looking for a better upcoming free agent now?
I bet you that he is not playing at this level as a first choice next season.
I bet you he is.
Sort out the distribution and we have a very good goal keeper. Part of the problem is DS telling him to play out from the back when the tactic is obviously flawed.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Steve, why not both?
His contract is running out. Based on those stats and his shocking distribution, would you offer him a new contract or start looking for a better upcoming free agent now?
I bet you that he is not playing at this level as a first choice next season.
I bet you he is.
Sort out the distribution and we have a very good goal keeper. Part of the problem is DS telling him to play out from the back when the tactic is obviously flawed.
The stats say otherwise so I am willing to take you up on that campsall
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I said when we signed him that his issues were “errors that lead to goals”. Too high to ever be classed as a good keeper.
There's another.
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That's it then. Let's prioritise getting a new keeper before any of the utter and total sh*t that's in front of him, from back to front.
Jesus wept.
Steve, why not both?
His contract is running out. Based on those stats and his shocking distribution, would you offer him a new contract or start looking for a better upcoming free agent now?
I bet you that he is not playing at this level as a first choice next season.
I bet you he is.
Sort out the distribution and we have a very good goal keeper. Part of the problem is DS telling him to play out from the back when the tactic is obviously flawed.
Well well well.
Thoughts Campsall, Hound, Scawsby?