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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on February 27, 2023, 10:24:33 am
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For many years the highlight of away games for lot's of seasons, the trip over through Tintwhistle and heaven two pubs with a chippy between them, the best trip of the season, now sadly the pubs gone and the chippy a Chinese the last time I passed, but great memories of old times spent with great mates especially the win in 1966 I think it was and the promotion season.
Sadly it looks very much like the boot is on the other foot today, and if things do not improve over the week, the players find some form I am doubtful they have the combined skills to show us, and the tinkering management find a system and players to suit the system and stop being so pedantic and trying to get players with just average skills at division 2 level to play their romantic football we could be in for another wolloping.
In Dave Challinor they have a leader who has cobbled a side together to be feared with Wootton and Madden two top strikers at this level, something we miss completely, play to their strengths getting the ball forward and into the area where they can do damage.
Unfortunately I cannot see what we can do to improve the team player wise, Faulkner should be playing being our best player in both attacking and defending the penalty areas but is not available and seemingly unwanted by the management team at first team level, preferring more technical players with the ball who ship goals in and are not great defenders either in the air or on the floor.
Most can see that our lone striker is running his blood to water without support even heading balls clear in our own area at one point Saturday, why the hell is he expected to do that he should be up the field, and a big reason why he has run dry, he has got to be frustrated.
In short many of our faults are self inflicted, and more worryingly there is no sign of urgency, ability, and leadership on the playing side to right the obvious wrongs, and even more worryingly to me I have the feeling we have and are slowly regressing as the season progresses.
I can't see us getting anything from this game, I hope desperately I am wrong and seem to be constantly living in hope for my club and team at the moment, and frustrated at what we are being served up as a product of the modern game, and the excuses for it's failure.
So what do you think, this thread is about the games coming up and our playing side of the club, Budgets and Boards are not a subject, please have your say about the team and its approach to games, let's know what supporters think, and what your answers would be.
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Think it’s one where again we’ll be too tame up front to beat them. We could Nick it 1-0 but if they score 1st it’s game over.
Would love to see us go 433 or 442 but we know it won’t happen. With so many defenders on the pitch we’ll struggle to sustain any pressure I’m afraid.
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We sorely missed Maxwell last weekend and I fear he may be out a while.
Biggins was ponderous on Saturday I think we tried to nullify Bradford rather than play to our strengths. For me Molyneux has to start and along with Hurst really run at defenders, we know that Knoyle is not the best defensively so try and keep him pegged back.
There is one thing for sure we won’t get a deal from the game if we continue lumping the ball up in the air to Miller
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I think that barring a miracle or total disaster we will be in league 2 next season. I would like DS to swallow his principles and play with 2 up front for the rest of the season then after we have had our annual clear out of the deadwood DS can build HIS team with HIS players and then set the team up how he wants. All this of course if he is allowed to sign some decent players and not the rubbish we have had to make do with in recent years.
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What do we expect when we've got a majority of players who won't or can't tackle
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I think that barring a miracle or total disaster we will be in league 2 next season. I would like DS to swallow his principles and play with 2 up front for the rest of the season then after we have had our annual clear out of the deadwood DS can build HIS team with HIS players and then set the team up how he wants. All this of course if he is allowed to sign some decent players and not the rubbish we have had to make do with in recent years.
Agree with DS needing to swallow his principals in the short term. Don’t think there’s many managers who’ve had decent careers who haven’t just played to win at certain points.
I like that he believes in the ‘process’ but he has to make sure the process is to win games not get himself a P45. He’s safe till December time next season anyway but a but if flexibility in his approach would give me more confidence that he’s going to do whatever it takes to be successful.
No point coming to a club trying one thing and one thing only to be successful and then when it fails get yourself the sack. At least let yourself learn!
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I wonder if anything will change. Can anyone find any quotes which support utter belief in a system? I suppose there is Religion. Is Schofieldism one? :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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I bet we score 0 goals
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Pointless
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I think that barring a miracle or total disaster we will be in league 2 next season. I would like DS to swallow his principles and play with 2 up front for the rest of the season then after we have had our annual clear out of the deadwood DS can build HIS team with HIS players and then set the team up how he wants. All this of course if he is allowed to sign some decent players and not the rubbish we have had to make do with in recent years.
Agree with DS needing to swallow his principals in the short term. Don’t think there’s many managers who’ve had decent careers who haven’t just played to win at certain points.
I like that he believes in the ‘process’ but he has to make sure the process is to win games not get himself a P45. He’s safe till December time next season anyway but a but if flexibility in his approach would give me more confidence that he’s going to do whatever it takes to be successful.
No point coming to a club trying one thing and one thing only to be successful and then when it fails get yourself the sack. At least let yourself learn!
Hang on though - if the "principals" have to be ditched to secure a victory - what does it say about their validity ??
To be honest, he's clearly clueless and totally unrealistic about how to win football matches in league 2. Erling Harland would struggle in that system never mind poor George !
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I think Stockport will be lusting for revenge in this one. They'll probably feel that the red card caused their defeat at our place, particularly as it still took us until injury time to get the winner.
Knowing how inconsistent we are, and the shock wins at Northampton and Swindon, it would be typical of Rovers to pull one out of the bag on Saturday.
However, if it goes to current form, we could get a mullering.
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I agree with your last sentence, who would have thought months after being relegated from league 1, here we are languishing in midtable in league 2, talking of being potentially mullered by (with respect) Stockport County, it's a long way back, & I genuinely worry for us next season.
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I think Stockport will be lusting for revenge in this one. They'll probably feel that the red card caused their defeat at our place, particularly as it still took us until injury time to get the winner.
Knowing how inconsistent we are, and the shock wins at Northampton and Swindon, it would be typical of Rovers to pull one out of the bag on Saturday.
However, if it goes to current form, we could get a mullering.
I'd say the red card 100% caused their defeat. They was on top and looked the most threatening upto that point. We only started getting the ball and finding space after it.
Though I didn't actually see the sending off. I was sat with my daughter absolutely amazed how we took control during that first half and how Stockport had run out of ideas. It was only at half time when having a pint that I overhead someone talking about the red card that I knew.
Wasn't the sending off exactly the same time that there was going to be a minutes applause for the rovers fan that drowned? I was doing the minutes clap.
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I agree with your last sentence, who would have thought months after being relegated from league 1, here we are languishing in midtable in league 2, talking of being potentially mullered by (with respect) Stockport County, it's a long way back, & I genuinely worry for us next season.
If we are still in this league next season then this summer will be a big one.
If the board doesn't back DS and copps with genuine budgets and give them what they need and want then I can see them both walking.
They can't carry on with making do. Told there is substantial budgets but having to fish around the free agents and loan markets.
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I agree with your last sentence, who would have thought months after being relegated from league 1, here we are languishing in midtable in league 2, talking of being potentially mullered by (with respect) Stockport County, it's a long way back, & I genuinely worry for us next season.
If we are still in this league next season then this summer will be a big one.
If the board doesn't back DS and copps with genuine budgets and give them what they need and want then I can see them both walking.
They can't carry on with making do. Told there is substantial budgets but having to fish around the free agents and loan markets.
If Schofield is on a rolling 12 month contract like his predecessors then unless he gets an offer from another club, I can’t see him walking away.
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I think that barring a miracle or total disaster we will be in league 2 next season. I would like DS to swallow his principles and play with 2 up front for the rest of the season then after we have had our annual clear out of the deadwood DS can build HIS team with HIS players and then set the team up how he wants. All this of course if he is allowed to sign some decent players and not the rubbish we have had to make do with in recent years.
Agree with DS needing to swallow his principals in the short term. Don’t think there’s many managers who’ve had decent careers who haven’t just played to win at certain points.
I like that he believes in the ‘process’ but he has to make sure the process is to win games not get himself a P45. He’s safe till December time next season anyway but a but if flexibility in his approach would give me more confidence that he’s going to do whatever it takes to be successful.
No point coming to a club trying one thing and one thing only to be successful and then when it fails get yourself the sack. At least let yourself learn!
Hang on though - if the "principals" have to be ditched to secure a victory - what does it say about their validity ??
To be honest, he's clearly clueless and totally unrealistic about how to win football matches in league 2. Erling Harland would struggle in that system never mind poor George !
Harland wouldn’t be in double figures playing in this team.
He would have to score wonder solo goals to get any.
Every striker at any level is only as good as the service he gets. Miller is getting nothing, feeding off scraps.
It’s embarrassing and I feel desperately sorry for him. He is working his socks off but DS is going to destroy him the way we are playing.
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I would go 4-1-3-2 against Stockport.
Mitchell
Nelson. Olowu
Brown. Long
Lakin
Hurst. Rowe. Molyneux
Miller. Lavery
Subs Reo, Close, Todd Miller, Biggins, Seaman, Anderson, Oram
I would put Long in at left back, solidifying the back line on the left, rather than worrying about trying to get forward, from left back. They have two good strikers getting that extra man in there would help.
I would let Lakin play the picking up the pieces role in front of the defence and put Tommy further forward where he is best. Put both wingers on their natural sides rather than cutting in.
This all allows us to get a partner for George up front, without weakening the team.
On the bench I think we need to be having a look at Reo, with a view to working out if he will be here next season, he has to start performing. Todd Miller needs some minutes to see if we can rely on him if needed.
Close and Biggins,I think most would put one of them in the midfield instead of the two wingers. I would invert the wingers getting them starting inside slightly, but with the option of going outside. Running at defenders and also getting quality balls into the box.
We need movement from the two strikers. With this system they would need to work hard and press everything as the whole team would because to win with this you can’t give the opposition a seconds thought. I think this formation would beat Stockport.
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I think that barring a miracle or total disaster we will be in league 2 next season. I would like DS to swallow his principles and play with 2 up front for the rest of the season then after we have had our annual clear out of the deadwood DS can build HIS team with HIS players and then set the team up how he wants. All this of course if he is allowed to sign some decent players and not the rubbish we have had to make do with in recent years.
Agree with DS needing to swallow his principals in the short term. Don’t think there’s many managers who’ve had decent careers who haven’t just played to win at certain points.
I like that he believes in the ‘process’ but he has to make sure the process is to win games not get himself a P45. He’s safe till December time next season anyway but a but if flexibility in his approach would give me more confidence that he’s going to do whatever it takes to be successful.
No point coming to a club trying one thing and one thing only to be successful and then when it fails get yourself the sack. At least let yourself learn!
Hang on though - if the "principals" have to be ditched to secure a victory - what does it say about their validity ??
To be honest, he's clearly clueless and totally unrealistic about how to win football matches in league 2. Erling Harland would struggle in that system never mind poor George !
Harland wouldn’t be in double figures playing in this team.
He would have to score wonder solo goals to get any.
Every striker at any level is only as good as the service he gets. Miller is getting nothing, feeding off scraps.
It’s embarrassing and I feel desperately sorry for him. He is working his socks off but DS is going to destroy him the way we are playing.
I agree that he shouldn’t be playing as a lone striker, but he is getting chances. As I commented on another thread, the stats show that Miller has missed the most big chances in the league.
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I would go 4-1-3-2 against Stockport.
Mitchell
Nelson. Olowu
Brown. Long
Lakin
Hurst. Rowe. Molyneux
Miller. Lavery
Subs Reo, Close, Todd Miller, Biggins, Seaman, Anderson, Oram
I would put Long in at left back, solidifying the back line on the left, rather than worrying about trying to get forward, from left back. They have two good strikers getting that extra man in there would help.
I would let Lakin play the picking up the pieces role in front of the defence and put Tommy further forward where he is best. Put both wingers on their natural sides rather than cutting in.
This all allows us to get a partner for George up front, without weakening the team.
On the bench I think we need to be having a look at Reo, with a view to working out if he will be here next season, he has to start performing. Todd Miller needs some minutes to see if we can rely on him if needed.
Close and Biggins,I think most would put one of them in the midfield instead of the two wingers. I would invert the wingers getting them starting inside slightly, but with the option of going outside. Running at defenders and also getting quality balls into the box.
We need movement from the two strikers. With this system they would need to work hard and press everything as the whole team would because to win with this you can’t give the opposition a seconds thought. I think this formation would beat Stockport.
I don’t think Schofield has played 4 at the back voluntarily yet and Long is no way a left back.
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Will Collar appears to be the in form man for them. We’ll have to be switched on to his late runs in to the box from midfield.
I’d back Anderson to handle Wootton.
If Barrow can beat these, we can.
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Long would be totally exposed at LB in my opinion he just hasn’t the pace/reading of the game to play there
I think that maybe the die has already been cast in regards to Reo
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Got my ticket today. Expecting the football to ruin the day out. Hope I'm wrong.
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Got my ticket today. Expecting the football to ruin the day out. Hope I'm wrong.
There’s one thing you won’t be the only one to have your day ruin. I believe we’ve sold over 1100 tickets of the 1400 allocated. Some brave souls who follow rovers. They must be able to see DS’s process.
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Got my ticket today. Expecting the football to ruin the day out. Hope I'm wrong.
There’s one thing you won’t be the only one to have your day ruin. I believe we’ve sold over 1100 tickets of the 1400 allocated. Some brave souls who follow rovers. They must be able to see DS’s process.
Reducing activities to processes is interesting. Converting the support of a football team into a process would not be possible without the emotional ingredient. Come to think of it, the conversion of what 11 players do running round kicking a football cannot properly be defined and operated solely as a process either. The missing ingredient is the human component - endeavour, enthusiasm, and that popular word with pundits, “passion”.
And there is not much emotion, let alone passion, in the way Schofield talks about his work.
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Got my ticket today. Expecting the football to ruin the day out. Hope I'm wrong.
There’s one thing you won’t be the only one to have your day ruin. I believe we’ve sold over 1100 tickets of the 1400 allocated. Some brave souls who follow rovers. They must be able to see DS’s process.
Reducing activities to processes is interesting. Converting the support of a football team into a process would not be possible without the emotional ingredient. Come to think of it, the conversion of what 11 players do running round kicking a football cannot properly be defined and operated solely as a process either. The missing ingredient is the human component - endeavour, enthusiasm, and that popular word with pundits, “passion”.
And there is not much emotion, let alone passion, in the way Schofield talks about his work.
Out of interest, did you used to do the final question 3-2-1?
I only ask as they're about the only other thing involving a similar tortuous leap of logic to shoehorn having a go at the way Schofield comes across into every thread.
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Vaya: I was unfamiliar with 3-2-1 until I looked it up, but would welcome your reasoned response. Perhaps you can shine the light on Schofield and his processes and how they answer all our problems. I am sure that you understand that I do not think that processes alone are enough.
I imagine that others, whom I deduce from their comments, share my concerns, would be interested too.
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Vaya: I was unfamiliar with 3-2-1 until I looked it up, but would welcome your reasoned response. Perhaps you can shine the light on Schofield and his processes and how they answer all our problems. I am sure that you understand that I do not think that processes alone are enough.
I imagine that others, whom I deduce from their comments, share my concerns, would be interested too.
It's not 'processes' though is it? That's just a proxy for a series of Tate Modern-level pretentious character assassinations aimed at the bloke from behind the safety of an internet forum.
If people want to question his team selection or tactics then fair enough.
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But it is not character assassination. I would deduce from his interviews that he is a man with a firm belief in his principles. In life such people are not uncommon and in many ways admirable. It does not mean that their methods and philosophy are unchallengeable because of that.
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But it is not character assassination. I would deduce from his interviews that he is a man with a firm belief in his principles. In life such people are not uncommon and in many ways admirable. It does not mean that their methods and philosophy are unchallengeable because of that.
Yep, because calling someone "unemotional, detached and lacking in empathy" definitely can't be classed as a character assassination.
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Another game with what looks like an okay following. Already 1100 sold. I suppose it's one for the ground tickers.
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Another game with what looks like an okay following. Already 1100 sold. I suppose it's one for the ground tickers.
Sign I'm getting old when this is classed as a ground we've not played at for a while. Good win last time we went but scarily nearly 20 years ago now.
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I’m looking forward to this one (being a ground ticket). I think I read that the away end is uncovered so it better not chuck it down. If the heavens do open I hope it brings a flood of goals and we get the 3 points
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Its across 2 stands on Saturday. Down the side is covered and behind the goal has no roof. Weather looks set to be bone dry.
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Anyone had a beer in Stockport before? Looks plenty of pubs in the town centre.
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Pubs in Stockport? Try The Grapes. But get their Early Doors. If you know, you know. To the regiment!!
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Pubs in Stockport? Try The Grapes. But get their Early Doors. If you know, you know. To the regiment!!
Always police presence though
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We wish we were there!
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Food at the ground looks far better than what we are served up
https://twitter.com/footyscran/status/1615063079892488222?s=46&t=Uj9lS9cW2ksdznjWwHqrkQ
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Food at the ground looks far better than what we are served up
https://twitter.com/footyscran/status/1615063079892488222?s=46&t=Uj9lS9cW2ksdznjWwHqrkQ
It’s a low bar. The bar is on the floor and is sinking in to the soil. It’s re-emerging near Adelaide.
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Food at the ground looks far better than what we are served up
https://twitter.com/footyscran/status/1615063079892488222?s=46&t=Uj9lS9cW2ksdznjWwHqrkQ
https://twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1630268130567110658?s=20
Chalk and cheese - both the difference between our offering and Stockport's, and probably an accurate description of what the "cheeseburger" actually tastes like.
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Food at the ground looks far better than what we are served up
https://twitter.com/footyscran/status/1615063079892488222?s=46&t=Uj9lS9cW2ksdznjWwHqrkQ
https://twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1630268130567110658?s=20
Chalk and cheese - both the difference between our offering and Stockport's, and probably an accurate description of what the "cheeseburger" actually tastes like.
Jesus Christ I wouldn’t let my dog eat that
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We will win this one.
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Pubs in Stockport? Try The Grapes. But get their Early Doors. If you know, you know. To the regiment!!
I would avoid anything on Castle Street, probably end up in trouble tbh.
If you come out the train station, exit to the left is Edgeley side & Right side is town centre side.
The Alexandra is on the Edgeley side, aint too far away from the ground, Robinsons pub.
Town centre side, there's a bar called Bask pretty much right outside the station and a pub on the A6 diagonally right to the McDonalds called the Wellington.
10 Mins walk up the A6 (left at the McDonalds), the Magnet and the Railway are worth visiting for real ale.
Chestergate pub is a bit rough round the edges, but got all your mainstream stuff.
Head 3/4 mins down St Petersgate which is to the left of the Central Library and you'll find the spoons along with a load of other pubs.
There's two Sam Smiths pubs about 2 minutes from there, one on the underbanks (Queens Head) and one on the marketplace (Boars Head).
Plenty of places to drink on the underbanks and on the market too. It's a decent drink now Stockport tbh, come on leaps and bounds from when I first started living there nearly 10yr ago.
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Any parking near the ground please
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Any parking near the ground please
It's not the best place for parking tbh, loads of side streets nearby are Resident Permits only.
Can get a few cars down Canal Street, SK1 3BZ for free, 10/15 min walk away but away from traffic. And maybe the side streets around the Alexandra pub.
Caroline Street car park is the nearest to the ground, but you need to pay.
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Any parking near the ground please
From the SLO blog, really useful guide.
Pay-and-Display Car Parks
There are a number of pay and display car parks within 5-10 minutes’ walk of the ground, including the Council owned pay-and-display car parks adjacent to Castle Street, Edgeley.
The NCP car park at Stockport Train Station offers a discounted price of just £3 to supporters on a match day, via the ParkPass app. For more information, click here.
Caroline Street: SK3 9DJ (73) – 3-hours (70p), 4-hours (80p)
Armoury Street: SK3 9DR (61) 3-hours (£2.70), 4-hours (£3.60)
James Street East & West: SK3 9AT (46) – 3-hours (70p), 4-hours (80p)
York Street: SK3 9AD (26) – 3-hours (70p), 4-hours (80p)
Bulkeley Street: SK3 9AJ (22) – 3-hours (70p), 4-hours (80p)
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Thanks guys
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Pubs in Stockport? Try The Grapes. But get their Early Doors. If you know, you know. To the regiment!!
Watch for the roadworks on Burdall St.
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We wish we were there!
Anyone like circuses.
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This is surely at a time of the season where this is now must win. To go 9 points off is too much. Big game!
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It’s certainly a must not lose game imo. Having said that we must go there to try and win the game 100%
We need a very lucrative March. 4 wins & 2 draws. 4 wins and 1 draw probably keeps us in it but anything less than 12 points from next 6 games means we may well have too much to do in the last 8 games.
It’s not impossible but looks unlikely now. Can we find that illusive consistency we haven’t had since the first 6 games of the season?
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Any parking near the ground please
I'm using justpark app for the first time, a fiver to park safely on someone's drive for the afternoon, 5 mins walk from the ground
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It’s certainly a must not lose game imo. Having said that we must go there to try and win the game 100%
We need a very lucrative March. 4 wins & 2 draws. 4 wins and 1 draw probably keeps us in it but anything less than 12 points from next 6 games means we may well have too much to do in the last 8 games.
It’s not impossible but looks unlikely now. Can we find that illusive consistency we haven’t had since the first 6 games of the season?
I’d rather not go up than perform like we did in those first 6 games
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I have a spare over 65 ticket going spare if anyone wants it
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The longest competitive football match in recorded history was the showdown between English clubs Stockport County and Doncaster Rovers at Edgeley Park on March 30, 1946. The duration of the match was a remarkable three hours and 23 minutes and the world record has stood for over half a century.
A bit like how this season is feeling :thumbdown:
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That wasn’t a classic but a fantastic clean sheet, which should always be the priority. We didn’t have a single corner.
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Great result that. Stockport are very good at home so to get a point and not concede is brilliant!
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Most level headed rovers fans would have taken a point today.
Good result.
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Absolute solid in defense today.
Tom Anderson mom for me. Followed by Mitchell.
We badly need to work on the top half of the pitch now.
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Most level headed rovers fans would have taken a point today.
Good result.
Yes you are right but we still can’t score. We have an attacking HoF and manager yet we can’t create enough and we definitely can’t score.
8pts behind Mansfield on the same games and there in 8th.
We are now in the bottom half of the table so wil bounce back decisively or find our own level who will be right Blunt or Bramall
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
But today, neither did they.
COYR
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Very good result away from home.
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
But today, neither did they.
COYR
Yep, only the 6th time this season that has happened.
I'm happy that we got the point.
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A good point in what sounded like poor performances from both teams, they edged chances just… I keep thinking if we had spent the amount they had, what kind of stick would the board or DS get?would it still be spend more you tight sods.
We still do not create enough, and I can only hope with a summer to make the changes he wants, this will change.
At the very least we have stopped the run of losses.
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
But today, neither did they.
COYR
But we should if we want to catch them their in the playoffs we are not
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I'm at a bit of a loss as to the roles/responsibilities of Hurst and Molyneux.
They play like 2 number 10s and press high, but what's the use in pressing high without tracking back? Unless they are pure attacking player roles akin to the likes of Salah, Saka and Grealish. If that's the case we need to get them the ball quicker and they need to vastly improve their output.
If they are wide midfielders then the roles they play are ineffective defensively and offensively in equal measure.
Two very talented players that I don't really think we or they know what they are supposed to be doing.
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Predictable result today , it was going to be a thumping or a 0-0 draw . Mitchell our man of the match with some great saves …AGAIN ! .no corners and barely a shot on target .. predictable. Good game over all !
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Awful again. But at least we’ve picked up a point.
What are we trying to do on the pitch because it is awful to watch.
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At least he’s trying to win the game, and get more support to the front man, playing those two behind him. I do think we need more width than the full backs. I understand it away but at home I would be trying to stretch teams. Good point at a decent team.
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Can't fault the effort today but like others have said,there was no intent to try and win
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People have got to take the opposition into account
The same people who weee saying we would get thumped are now complaining at a draw.
It’s crackers
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When we win the ball and have a chance to counter why does the ball always end up with Mitchell or Anderson after 2 or 3 passes.
A good point but just wish there was something to get excited about because it was freezing.
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
But today, neither did they.
COYR
But we should if we want to catch them their in the playoffs we are not
Today we should have gone for the win to catch the play off pack, it was a must win. There was no ambition to even have a go in the last 20 minutes. While a points a point, it would have been a good one had we been in the play offs, not as we are, chasing them.
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
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After first 5 minutes I thought we were going to get thumped but we dug in and got a good point
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Stockport have won as many as we have at home, and played a game more.
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
Add to that they were really average. Piss poor league and we are nowhere near in it.
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
What’s deluded?
They had 2 headers that every goalkeeper in the country woukd save.
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
Add to that they were really average. Piss poor league and we are nowhere near in it.
They’re not average for this league though are they,
They’ve won 5 of the last 6 at home with the other being a draw.
It’s a good result today
Fact
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Awful again. But at least we’ve picked up a point.
What are we trying to do on the pitch because it is awful to watch.
ok which one of you two is telling porkies in an alternative parallel world
the bbc website says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64767850
"Play-off chasing Stockport could not find a way through a resolute Doncaster defence as an entertaining clash ended goalless.
Dave Challinor's side created the bulk of the chances, but mid-table Rovers probably deserved a point.
Jonathan Mitchell produced a brilliant save to keep out Ryan Rydel's early bullet header, with the Doncaster keeper also doing well to gather the follow-up.
Midfielder Will Collar threatened for Stockport, before the visitors responded with Caolan Lavery firing off target following some smart work by ex-Stockport man James Brown.
As the game entered first-half stoppage-time, Doncaster's Harrison Biggins saw a glancing header confidently saved by keeper Ben Hinchliffe.
The first chance of the second period saw Rovers keeper Mitchell do well to palm away a thumping header from Kyle Wootton.
Rovers' Kyle Hurst then went on a mazy run before shooting straight at Hinchliffe.
Back came Stockport, with Jacob Davenport seeing a shot deflected over the top and sub Myles Hippolyte's 25-yard piledriver only just missing the target.
Wootton was again denied by Mitchell late on, as Rovers hung on.
Report supplied by PA media."
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
Add to that they were really average. Piss poor league and we are nowhere near in it.
They’re not average for this league though are they,
They’ve won 5 of the last 6 at home with the other being a draw.
It’s a good result today
Fact
They were average today. Fact
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Stockport have won as many as we have at home, and played a game more.
Form team of the division though.
We need to back it up with two home wins and then we’re right back in the mix
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And they’re chasing a top 3,
People talk like all we had to do was decide to go for 3 points and it would’ve happened.
Fact is we played a very good side in this league away from home and restricted them to very little.
And created one big chance for ourselves
Deluded, Mitchell pulled off 2 brilliant saves to keep us in it.
We were awful, and offered next to nothing.
Add to that they were really average. Piss poor league and we are nowhere near in it.
They’re not average for this league though are they,
They’ve won 5 of the last 6 at home with the other being a draw.
It’s a good result today
Fact
They were average today. Fact
Every time we get a good result it’s because the other team were average.
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People have got to take the opposition into account
The same people who weee saying we would get thumped are now complaining at a draw.
It’s crackers
"Take the opposition into account"
We were 2 divisions apart last season and now we've got to be grateful for a point ffs!!
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People have got to take the opposition into account
The same people who weee saying we would get thumped are now complaining at a draw.
It’s crackers
"Take the opposition into account"
We were 2 divisions apart last season and now we've got to be grateful for a point ffs!!
Wrexham and notts county are 2 leagues below forest green at the minute
But they will be finishing next season above them
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12th game out of 33 in the league in which we haven't scored.
But today, neither did they.
COYR
But we should if we want to catch them their in the playoffs we are not
Today we should have gone for the win to catch the play off pack, it was a must win. There was no ambition to even have a go in the last 20 minutes. While a points a point, it would have been a good one had we been in the play offs, not as we are, chasing them.
Think you’re wrong on that, if we cannot win then we make sure you don’t lose and today was a day when we couldn’t win. Another thought, win you home games and draw, at least, your away games
COYR
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People have got to take the opposition into account
The same people who weee saying we would get thumped are now complaining at a draw.
It’s crackers
"Take the opposition into account"
We were 2 divisions apart last season and now we've got to be grateful for a point ffs!!
Wrexham and notts county are 2 leagues below forest green at the minute
But they will be finishing next season above them
That's what investment gets you.
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Good result performance sounded poor but if we were in some kind of firm we’d be hailing it as grinding out a result.
We can take confidence from this if we play well in the next game and get a result. Concern is we aren’t enough of a threat to build on this really and mid table obscurity awaits
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People have got to take the opposition into account
The same people who weee saying we would get thumped are now complaining at a draw.
It’s crackers
"Take the opposition into account"
We were 2 divisions apart last season and now we've got to be grateful for a point ffs!!
Wrexham and notts county are 2 leagues below forest green at the minute
But they will be finishing next season above them
The point being is how we appear to have adjusted our expectations in such a short time frame.
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Could do with 3 wins to stand still now.A point is a very good result today but we could have done with the win to get nearer the play offs.
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It was a solid away performance today that lacked a cutting edge going forwards. There were chances to win the game that we couldn't turn in to a final ball and the attacking players made wrong decisions.
But defensively it's definitely improved and Anderson was back to his best today, he won everything.
Solid but much work to do offensively. The last two games we've played teams above us and neither were particularly good but we haven't created a whole lot at all in either game.
We're better than 13th but not a top 7 side, not attacking how we are.
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It was a solid away performance today that lacked a cutting edge going forwards. There were chances to win the game that we couldn't turn in to a final ball and the attacking players made wrong decisions.
But defensively it's definitely improved and Anderson was back to his best today, he won everything.
Solid but much work to do offensively. The last two games we've played teams above us and neither were particularly good but we haven't created a whole lot at all in either game.
We're better than 13th but not a top 7 side, not attacking how we are.
Slightly disagree with the Anderson won everything, though we were very poor first half challenging for any first balls and lost probably 90% of them, 2nd half Anderson I don’t think put a foot wrong and made a vital goal line clearance from their corner.
Good away point but worrying about the attacking threat we don’t seem to pose!
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I'm at a bit of a loss as to the roles/responsibilities of Hurst and Molyneux.
They play like 2 number 10s and press high, but what's the use in pressing high without tracking back? Unless they are pure attacking player roles akin to the likes of Salah, Saka and Grealish. If that's the case we need to get them the ball quicker and they need to vastly improve their output.
If they are wide midfielders then the roles they play are ineffective defensively and offensively in equal measure.
Two very talented players that I don't really think we or they know what they are supposed to be doing.
We need 2 new attackers for the first XI in the summer. Hurst is brilliant but the others don’t compliment him or each other at all.
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Jesus. That was a poor game of football. Points a point but my god it wasn't enthralling.
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The press was great today and we nearly caught them out a few times. Lucky not to lose but they worked hard for it.
Anderson is so much better in the middle of the 3. Wootton would have completely bullied our defence otherwise. He’s proved me wrong about not being worth a new contract.
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It was a solid away performance today that lacked a cutting edge going forwards. There were chances to win the game that we couldn't turn in to a final ball and the attacking players made wrong decisions.
But defensively it's definitely improved and Anderson was back to his best today, he won everything.
Solid but much work to do offensively. The last two games we've played teams above us and neither were particularly good but we haven't created a whole lot at all in either game.
We're better than 13th but not a top 7 side, not attacking how we are.
A good summary.
Agree Anderson was outstanding. Mitchell made 2 outstanding saves once again and would be second choice. Lakin 3rd choice.
“We are not a top 7 side” well it’s where we finish after 46 games that counts. We are not top 7 after 33 games because the league table does not lie. Let’s see where we are at end of March and we will know much more whether top 7 is realistic.
We have 4 games which we simply have to win. Harrogate H, Wimbledon H, & Crawley A, Northampton H & if we get a draw at Salford then would be in a very good position going into the last 8 games and would have a serious chance of top 7
That’s 13 points from those 5 games. A tall order. I would take 11 points but think that’s the minimum we will need to give us a chance.
I would actually swap the 3 points with Northampton with 3 points against Salford as I think they are the team we have the best chance of catching in the current top 7.
One game at a time and it has to be a win v Harrogate Town on Tuesday.
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A performance that can not and should not be celebrated. An abject performance in every sense of the word. Back 3 very good, the rest would send a glass eye to sleep.
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A performance that can not and should not be celebrated. An abject performance in every sense of the word. Back 3 very good, the rest would send a glass eye to sleep.
No nothing special. But I don’t think anyone had a bad game except Molyneux to be fair.
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
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Really good without the ball. Absolutely dreadful with it. Took some part timers today. Honest opinion was dreadful first half. Slightly grew into it second half yet awful in the final third.
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I agree we were excellent without the ball, that’s the most organised we’ve looked for a very long time
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
No we didnt. We were disgusting to play against. Potent in both boxes and a team crammed with character who demanded from one another. 9 times out of 10 in every game we get beat playing like that.
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I agree we were excellent without the ball, that’s the most organised we’ve looked for a very long time
It’s also the most clueless we’ve looked in a long time going forwards. We have to find a balance.
You are making it sound like we dug in admirably and gritted it out. We didn’t, they were shite too.
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To be fair to Schofield, he is now managing to enforce his style on the squad. There is now a structure and a cohesion, it is just heavily weighted towards solidity and caution. It is no coincidence we are now starting to turn in more clean sheets as he gets the team playing the way he wants. You have to hope though that this is a phase in the rebuilding and at some point we will have some attacking intent.
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They do always say start from the back. Like to see us go for it more but we probably don’t have the players to do that.
We remind me a bit of Newcastle under Bruce or Benitez where they played 541 and just stunk the place out every game scraping together enough points to stay up.
Need to believe in ourselves and be less defensive. We won’t go up this or next year if we’re too scared to have a go at anyone. it’s not like we’re in a top division where staying up is our ambition.
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A performance that can not and should not be celebrated. An abject performance in every sense of the word. Back 3 very good, the rest would send a glass eye to sleep.
If you think that was bad then what was Barrow, Hartlepool, Carlisle & Tranmere away performances.
We looked well organised today. Hard to beat.
Yes we need to improve on our offensive play. Not enough chances created, shots on goal agree but our overall play was pretty good. Work rate of all the players could not be questioned and defensively we looked much improved on what we were a few weeks ago.
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
Err. With James Coppinger, Chris Brown, Billy Paynter, Iain Hume and David Cotterill to hurt the opposition.
The point was great, but we could still be playing until the next Transpennine train leaves Stockport on time without scoring, based on that performance.
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
Err. With James Coppinger, Chris Brown, Billy Paynter, Iain Hume and David Cotterill to hurt the opposition.
The point was great, but we could still be playing until the next Transpennine train leaves Stockport on time without scoring, based on that performance.
Biggins had a gilt-edged chance that 9 times out of 10 he’d put away.
We had those players but that’s not why we were successful, we stunk the place out week after week but ground out results.
Games we got battered in but came away with a draw or snuck a win
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A performance that can not and should not be celebrated. An abject performance in every sense of the word. Back 3 very good, the rest would send a glass eye to sleep.
If you think that was bad then what was Barrow, Hartlepool, Carlisle & Tranmere away performances.
We looked well organised today. Hard to beat.
Yes we need to improve on our offensive play. Not enough chances created, shots on goal agree but our overall play was pretty good. Work rate of all the players could not be questioned and defensively we looked much improved on what we were a few weeks ago.
I dont think we should be singling out performances on this sh!tshow of a season should we. I don't even think you have picked out the worst ones in there however, our overall play definitely was not good so we shall agree to disagree on that one. We worked hard as we do in every game and today defended really well and still should have been well beaten by half time. Its not a personal attack on the team, i dont enjoy picking apart performances week after week but the fact is we are horrific when it comes down to entertainment value. Had we been in or around the automatic promotion places or the playoffs it would have felt like a better point. As we are listening to players and manager speak of getting in the playoffs in every pre match interview its hard to stomach not being able to string 2 passes together.
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
Err. With James Coppinger, Chris Brown, Billy Paynter, Iain Hume and David Cotterill to hurt the opposition.
The point was great, but we could still be playing until the next Transpennine train leaves Stockport on time without scoring, based on that performance.
Biggins had a guilt edge chance that 9 times out of 10 he’d put away.
We had those players but that’s not why we were successful, we stunk the place out week after week but ground out results.
Games we got battered in but came away with a draw or snuck a win
Biggins was 16 yards out, had a defender blocking half the goal and a perfectly positioned keeper. The ball is coming across him making it hard to combine power and accurate placement. With a bit of luck he might score that twice in ten. You're being very silly saying that is a 9 in 10 chance.
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I might have been a better player than u billy, but a professional footballer is scoring that a lot more than 2 times out of ten
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Glad to have come away with a point. On another day we could've lost comfortably with that sort of performance. Don't get me wrong, we battled and dug in, can't really fault that aspect. But they had some good chances, pretty much exclusively from crosses. None of them went in, so we got a bit of fortune. It's just bizarre how we seem to just invite crosses into the box despite us not being very good at defending them (even with 3 central defenders).
We are absolutely clueless going forwards. Whenever we have an opportunity to create some danger nobody knows what to do. No urgency, no busting a gut to create options. And we always revert to backwards, sideways shite before we inevitably get pressured and have to boot it away. Infuriating to watch.
Anderson looks like he's slowly getting back to his best though. So there's a positive.
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Crikey. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. In the past 2 games we have created virtually zero chances. Today would have been a good point typically if we had been near the top of the league. But in the context of where we are it was just an awful game of football. We literally pose zero attacking threat against the better sides.
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Does show that fans expectations have hit a low. The point is ok but it sounds like it was more lucky/hanging on performance where we had zero chance of actually winning the game. Not a professional away performance where we gave as good as we got.
This is in L2 not the championship or top end L1. We’ve a right to be disappointed. We were told the club would bounce back decisively against that aim we’ve failed miserably for the 2nd season running
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
Err. With James Coppinger, Chris Brown, Billy Paynter, Iain Hume and David Cotterill to hurt the opposition.
The point was great, but we could still be playing until the next Transpennine train leaves Stockport on time without scoring, based on that performance.
Biggins had a guilt edge chance that 9 times out of 10 he’d put away.
We had those players but that’s not why we were successful, we stunk the place out week after week but ground out results.
Games we got battered in but came away with a draw or snuck a win
‘Guilt edge chance’ - I like that. The player knows he should have scored and feels a bit ashamed, holds up both hands in apology, guilty as charged M’lud.
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That’s a performance we need to see more of away from home.
We won the league one title not too long ago playing like that every week
We won league one title because we won 15 games away from home and lost 4 games. Our away record was better than our home record.
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Does show that fans expectations have hit a low. The point is ok but it sounds like it was more lucky/hanging on performance where we had zero chance of actually winning the game. Not a professional away performance where we gave as good as we got.
This is in L2 not the championship or top end L1. We’ve a right to be disappointed. We were told the club would bounce back decisively against that aim we’ve failed miserably for the 2nd season running
Post of the week for me.
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Happy with the point but awful performance.
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Does show that fans expectations have hit a low. The point is ok but it sounds like it was more lucky/hanging on performance where we had zero chance of actually winning the game. Not a professional away performance where we gave as good as we got.
This is in L2 not the championship or top end L1. We’ve a right to be disappointed. We were told the club would bounce back decisively against that aim we’ve failed miserably for the 2nd season running
Post of the week for me.
There is a lot of truth here. We are caught with Stockholm Syndrome trying to normalise something that really shouldn’t be happening. In abstract a point away from home against a competitive League Two club looks creditable on paper given we are in League Two, but given our resources and recent history we’ve fallen so far that this is now being presented by some as sign of a success. We are playing largely poor football and still haven’t touched the play offs the entire season bar I think one weekend in August. I defy anyone to dress up being mid-table also rans in League Two as something to welcome.
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Given our resources? Playing away at the biggest spenders in the league, a draw is a very credible result.
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Given our resources? Playing away at the biggest spenders in the league, a draw is a very credible result.
Yet the chairman said we would bounce back decisively and G Mc Sheffrey said top 3. So they must have believed we had the the resources and we are always told we have resources to compete in top six. Draw away is not a bad result but we don’t look like scoring and winning which is poor.
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I might have been a better player than u billy, but a professional footballer is scoring that a lot more than 2 times out of ten
Go watch the video again.
The defender has slid right across Biggin's shooting line. The angle of the defender's body means he is blocking the lines to goal to the top right and bottom left corners.
If Biggins goes to the top left, he's driving the ball straight through Lavery in a clearly offside position.
The one clear route to goal was low to the right, assuming the keeper doesn't get across to make a save. And that Biggins would hit the target.
But Biggins a) has a split second to take in and process where the defender is going to be and b) is not in a position as the ball comes across to get his standing foot close to the ball, and hence his weight going forwards which he'd need to do to get power and control on a low shot.
As it is, his standing foot is 18 inches behind the line of the ball, which pulls the shot up, right and into the blocker
You must have been some player Dickos if that's a 9/10 chance for you. Or maybe you're being a bit disconnected from a rational assessment again?
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Think he said more times than 2 out of 10 not specifically 9 out 10
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I thought Todd Miller could have caused their defence problems and was disappointed he didn’t get on the pitch.
Molyneux was useless and has been given enough chances now.
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Think he said more times than 2 out of 10 not specifically 9 out 10
He said initially Biggin's missed a guilt (sic) edged chance that he'd score 9 times out of ten. A ridiculous comment.
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Does show that fans expectations have hit a low. The point is ok but it sounds like it was more lucky/hanging on performance where we had zero chance of actually winning the game. Not a professional away performance where we gave as good as we got.
This is in L2 not the championship or top end L1. We’ve a right to be disappointed. We were told the club would bounce back decisively against that aim we’ve failed miserably for the 2nd season running
Post of the week for me.
There is a lot of truth here. We are caught with Stockholm Syndrome trying to normalise something that really shouldn’t be happening. In abstract a point away from home against a competitive League Two club looks creditable on paper given we are in League Two, but given our resources and recent history we’ve fallen so far that this is now being presented by some as sign of a success. We are playing largely poor football and still haven’t touched the play offs the entire season bar I think one weekend in August. I defy anyone to dress up being mid-table also rans in League Two as something to welcome.
That has now taken over as post of the week.
There's not a single aspect of that post that can be argued against with any credibility.
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Think he said more times than 2 out of 10 not specifically 9 out 10
He said initially Biggin's missed a guilt (sic) edged chance that he'd score 9 times out of ten. A ridiculous comment.
So he did, didn't go back far enough!
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We're much improved but still not very good and wildly inconsistent. I think the solidity is the best we can hope for at the minute with this group of players. We spent ages asking Schofield to work with what he has, rather than trying to force a system onto players who can't cope with it. This is what that looks like. We aren't going to get intense, flowing football from this squad outside of a few patches, the best we can hope for is enough solidity to string a few results together and finish the season in the top half.
We have a mid table League 2 group of players. A draw away at a promotion chasing, big spending side is probably a good result in those circumstances, indicative of how disastrously the club has been run from a football perspective for several years though.