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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Colemans Left Hook on March 13, 2023, 12:40:58 pm
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wtf IS "neurodivergent " ?
The term “neurodivergent” describes people whose brain differences affect how their brain works. That means they have different strengths and challenges from people whose brains don't have those differences. The possible differences include medical disorders, learning disabilities and other conditions.
I SEE NOW WHY THEY EMPLOYED SOMEONE DESTINED TO WORK ON A LEICESTER FRUIT MARKET AS A BARROW BOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbDxmmtgqc
https://careerssearch.bbc.co.uk/jobs/job/BBC-Studios-Social-Media-AP-Researcher-Antiques-Roadshow-Part-Time/62913
............We are committed to having a diverse range of skills, experience and talent working on our programmes, and as such we’re keen for applicants from underrepresented groups to apply particularly those who are neurodivergen, have a disability, are from an ethnic minorities background and lower sTocio economic groups to ensure we are representative of all.
About the BBC
We don’t focus simply on what we do – we also care how we do it. Our values and the way we behave are important to us. Please make sure you’ve read about our values and behaviours in the document attached below.
Diversity matters at the BBC. We have a working environment where we value and respect every individual's unique contribution, enabling all of our employees to thrive and achieve their full potential.
We want to attract the broadest range of talented people to be part of the BBC – whether that’s to contribute to our programming or our wide range of non-production roles. The more diverse our workforce, the better able we are to respond to and reflect our audiences in all their diversity.
We are committed to equality of opportunity and welcome applications from individuals, regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity, socio-economic background, religion and/or belief. We will consider flexible working requests for all roles, unless operational requirements prevent otherwise.
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One of my sons has neurodivergency.## May I suggest you don't use this topic for one of your crass, ignorant attempts at humour please?
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One of my sons has neurodivergency.## May I suggest you don't use this topic for one of your crass, ignorant attempts at humour please?
If he’s a socialist the BBC wouldn’t look at him twice.
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One of my sons has neurodivergency.## May I suggest you don't use this topic for one of your crass, ignorant attempts at humour please?
Au contraire mon Ami the thread is About the BBC. Please stay focused on The BBc aspect.
I was hunting out a BBC post about "being gentle with our Colonial period" to see if it opened a gateway to the terms and conditions of "BBC freelancers" with possible implications to the footballer "who couldn't even get a booking" in his career and see what else "turned up".
I have just added "and .." to the title solely for your benefit
As i said ou never know what little BBC gem you are going to come across
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take this we all know it happens but here it is formally committed to paper.
Personally I do not agree with "product placement" especially when the2 product in question" is humans ...
"It is important to us that any audiences involved in the programme are fully representative of the British public
so any pitch should include a strategic approach to achieve this aim
this is the paragraph I was looking for and developed the thread to eventualy converge on the said paragraph (when i eventuall found it)
"The high-profile nature of Antiques Roadshow means that is often under a great deal of public scrutiny as to
how it handles sensitive areas such as colonial history. We are looking for experience in managing compliance
issues and reputational risk"
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/invitation-to-tender-antiques-roadshow-june-2022.pdf
secrets of the bbc here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/diverse-productions
"Achieving 20% diverse production teams
Putting diversity and inclusion at the heart of production"
some of you might find this interesting
What we ask producers to do
For all new commissions from April 2021 we are asking production companies to commit to at least 20% of their production teams being from the following under-represented groups:
Those from Black, Asian or minority ethnic backgrounds
Those with lived experience of a disability
Those from lower-income backgrounds - to achieve social economic diversity (SED)
Further information about how we define these groups can be found below.
We ask that the 20% is made up of at least two of these three under-represented groups. However, we are flexible in how the overall percentage is achieved and appreciate different productions will have different considerations in terms of location, content, talent, company and population characteristics. We therefore encourage indies to have active conversations with commissioners about how to achieve the 20% and identify any challenges to that.
The WHOLE production team from runner to executive producer, craft roles and post production are included in the 20%.
We encourage producers to build these plans into their pitch from the start. We want to commission ideas and companies that support our ambition.
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Congatuations to anyone who has reached the end of this post - did you spot the BBC using a word called "Indies" presumably a short reference for Independant Companies .... perhaps they ought to think this is NOT the best word to use. :headbang:
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I hope you're not gonna become a victim of cancel culture for this thread, CLH.
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I hope you're not gonna become a victim of cancel culture for this thread, CLH.
BB have you honestly ever heard of the term let's call it another "N -word" . I have financialdivergent friends (pecuniary divergent sounds even better) and sadly you are at the lower extreme of the normal distribution curve :crying:
The BBC really pi$$es me off for example in conversation using the word "watercannon" as opposed to watercannons
"The Ivory Coast and The Gambia" have become Ivory Coast & Gambia respectively and who gave them the right to CANCEL the use of bothe the Definitive Article ( that's the word "The" to you and me and also the Indefinite Article ("a")
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I hope you're not gonna become a victim of cancel culture for this thread, CLH.
Yes actually he's fine and he manages it very well. Thanks for asking.
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While you're here Billy lad, if you don't think freedom of speech should have consequences, did you agree with Twitter banning Donald Trump?
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Do one.
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I am concentrating on the contents of that initial BBC post and they use the word "neurodivergen"which I highlighted in red. I thought the word should perhaps be "neurodivergeous" or perhaps "neurodivergous"
but on googling the BBC word "neurodivergen" and my two proposed variants NONE of the three words don't (as yet) exist.
The "draughtsman" of that word does not use variants ! which seems strange
Which doesn't say a lot for the author of that BBC post who "invented" The BBC variant as he "copied and pasted". without doing his homework
It takes someone Neurodivergent to spot it.
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Do one.
BST, do you think using cancel culture on someone you accuse of cancel culture is a good way to avoid answering questions on cancel culture?
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No BB
But I do think I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, you unpleasant t**t.
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No BB
But I do think I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, you unpleasant t**t.
You wouldn't have the time you are too busy taking the Pi$$ out of "your" Company in works time - posting "dire-ear" for our ears on here. As i continue to say "If only your fellows staff knew what you were up to."
and talking of small "nano" things you would have to find it first :facepalm:
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No BB
But I do think I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, you unpleasant t**t.
Cheers BST, true colours, eh!
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Yes BB. I despise anyone who would use someone's mental health issues as a cue to a smart arse wisecrack. Those are my true colours.
You repulse me, although unfortunately you don't surprise me.
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Your post was 3 posts earlier than mine, and I wasn't directly referring to your post! Why didn't you pull up the other posters for allegedly making smart-arse wisecracks? Besides, why should there be consequences to what people post, anyway?
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I see what you're doing though, nice tactics, I'll give you that.
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If a thread is too close to home and affects you personally, then don’t read the posts and don’t comment. There was nothing wrong with the OP in an off topic football forum.
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Reading this I guessed who the next poster might be..... And hey presto!
Leave em to it BST.
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Reading this I guessed who the next poster might be..... And hey presto!
Leave em to it BST.
Tommy. I’ll say it again: if you don’t want to engage with me, then that’s fine, but these pathetic, childish digs aimed at me, but written for others is embarrassing.
And, clearly, nonsense.
For goodness sake grow up.
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One of my sons has neurodivergency.## May I suggest you don't use this topic for one of your crass, ignorant attempts at humour please?
That's the thing about humour, you can choose whether you find it funny or not and if it's not for you, move on.
Just because you found it offensive, doesn't make it offensive.
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No.
What's pathetic is your pathetic attempts to try and try again to get BST to engage with you.
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No.
What's pathetic is your pathetic attempts to try and try again to get BST to engage with you.
I don’t care whether Billy (or you) engage with me or not, but I’ll continue to react to comments as and when I see fit.
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There's a job waiting for you with the BBC CLH!
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If a thread is too close to home and affects you personally, then don’t read the posts and don’t comment. There was nothing wrong with the OP in an off topic football forum.
So you saw fit that the post above, was a useful intervention at that time?
How are you supposed to know what an opening post is about it you don't read it?
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I read the opening post and didn’t see anything offensive in it.
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Hound
Try looking at the second paragraph in capital letters.
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If a thread is too close to home and affects you personally, then don’t read the posts and don’t comment. There was nothing wrong with the OP in an off topic football forum.
So you saw fit that the post above, was a useful intervention at that time?
How are you supposed to know what an opening post is about it you don't read it?
What?
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OK I'll word it differently.
How are you supposed to know what the topic is about and its intentions, without reading the opening post?
Though CLHs word salad approach often makes it difficult to gauge the intention.
Even so, in this case it was clear by the paragraph in capital letters.
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Hound
Try looking at the second paragraph in capital letters.
Is that offensive?
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Yes hound.
It is offensive to Gary Lineker but primarily it is offensive to people who are neurodivergent.
Can you not see that?
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I can see why BST jumped on it.
I have a son with schizophrenia, and at times his and our lives have been a living hell over the last 15 years. You've no idea, so when people make jokes about it it tends to make your blood boil.
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I said their was nothing wrong with the OP. How on earth do you reach the conclusion that I haven’t read it?
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Oh my God.
I didn't reach that conclusion ffs
I knew you'd read it obviously!
You said something like people shouldn't read topics that they didn't like, referring to BST in this case.
I said how do you (meaning anyone) know what's what without reading the opening post.
No mention of you not reading it.
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me
That's it, once again I'm done with you.
Christ Almighty.
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Yes hound.
It is offensive to Gary Lineker but primarily it is offensive to people who are neurodivergent.
Can you not see that?
Tommy, there are hundreds of posts on this forum every week and I dare say that some of them will be offensive to some readers.
Does everyone stop posting just in case they offend someone.
Had bst not kicked off would you have had such a reaction to the post by CLH.
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Oh my God.
I didn't reach that conclusion ffs
I knew you'd read it obviously!
You said something like people shouldn't read topics that they didn't like, referring to BST in this case.
I said how do you (meaning anyone) know what's what without reading the opening post.
No mention of you not reading it.
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me
That's it, once again I'm done with you.
Christ Almighty.
Tommy. If you read my original post without this unhealthy bias you have, you would see exactly what I meant. Which is probably why you are writing things like ‘you wrote something like…’ in stead of quoting me directly.
Please, for both our sakes, if you cannot read my posts and respond sensibly and without malice, then please, PLEASE stick to your decision to not engage with me anymore (this time).
I can really do without it.
Edit: what’s laughable is that I write ‘you’ and you accuse me of trying to engage Billy, yet you write ‘you’ and I’m supposed to know you really mean everyone.
Can’t you see the issue here?
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I do know exactly what your original post means, other people have posted the same thing many times.
I wondered why (though guesed) why
you felt it appropriate to post it here, at the time you did.
If I am wrong then I apologise.
As for your request, gladly.
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I can see why BST jumped on it.
I have a son with schizophrenia, and at times his and our lives have been a living hell over the last 15 years. You've no idea, so when people make jokes about it it tends to make your blood boil.
You have my sympathy TT. I've got some idea what you've been going through.
In my son's case we are only just coming to terms with it. His biggest fear is having people take the piss out of him for his condition. He's a handsome, intelligent, thoughtful, athletic boy on the brink of manhood, and his confidence could be destroyed by some t**t with a neanderthal sense of humour. I think we have a responsibility to be better than that.
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Referring to your Edit, Belton which I have just seen. I did NOT think you were referring to Billy, I knew you were referring to anyone.
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Referring to your Edit, Belton which I have just seen. I did NOT think you were referring to Billy, I knew you were referring to anyone.
Then why this:
‘No.
What's pathetic is your pathetic attempts to try and try again to get BST to engage with you.’
And finally, in the style of a mutual favourite of ours:
I suspose that’s the last I’ll hear from you, I really do!
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One of my sons has neurodivergency.## May I suggest you don't use this topic for one of your crass, ignorant attempts at humour please?
That's the thing about humour, you can choose whether you find it funny or not and if it's not for you, move on.
Just because you found it offensive, doesn't make it offensive.
Cheers pal. I'll tell my son that.
Can't think why I never thought of it before.
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Referring to your Edit, Belton which I have just seen. I did NOT think you were referring to Billy, I knew you were referring to anyone.
Then why this:
‘No.
What's pathetic is your pathetic attempts to try and try again to get BST to engage with you.’
And finally, in the style of a mutual favourite of ours:
I suspose that’s the last I’ll hear from you, I really do!
Because I've noticed (rightly or wrongly, maybe it's my prejudice) that you keep popping up on various threads just after BST has posted. And you did it again on this one.
As for the last bit. I don't get it.
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Referring to your Edit, Belton which I have just seen. I did NOT think you were referring to Billy, I knew you were referring to anyone.
Then why this:
‘No.
What's pathetic is your pathetic attempts to try and try again to get BST to engage with you.’
And finally, in the style of a mutual favourite of ours:
I suspose that’s the last I’ll hear from you, I really do!
Because I've noticed (rightly or wrongly, maybe it's my prejudice) that you keep popping up on various threads just after BST has posted. And you did it again on this one.
As for the last bit. I don't get it.
Billy had posted several times before I did. And let’s be honest, It’s very difficult to be a regular (ish) poster on here without following a post by Billy from time to time. He has monopolised the forum somewhat.
My mistake - I thought you were a Count Arthur Strong fan.
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Yes hound.
It is offensive to Gary Lineker but primarily it is offensive to people who are neurodivergent.
Can you not see that?
Tommy, there are hundreds of posts on this forum every week and I dare say that some of them will be offensive to some readers.
Does everyone stop posting just in case they offend someone.
Had bst not kicked off would you have had such a reaction to the post by CLH.
Hi hound
The posts on here that may become offensive, are nearly always between consenting adults,who can stand up for themselves and are usually about politics! Ha!
To mock people with mental health problems is another thing altogether.
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Belton
I sodding well am!
Goodbye.
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I'm just a bit concerned about the future of the forum now that we can say what we like and use foul and abusive language towards each other with no consequence.
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Yes hound.
It is offensive to Gary Lineker but primarily it is offensive to people who are neurodivergent.
Can you not see that?
Tommy, there are hundreds of posts on this forum every week and I dare say that some of them will be offensive to some readers.
Does everyone stop posting just in case they offend someone.
Had bst not kicked off would you have had such a reaction to the post by CLH.
Hi hound
The posts on here that may become offensive, are nearly always between consenting adults,who can stand up for themselves and are usually about politics! Ha!
To mock people with mental health problems is another thing altogether.
I doubt very much that CLH knew anything about BSTs sons condition so I find it hard to believe that he was mocking him.
And yes, I know about the offensive posts on here that are intentional, I have had much abuse directed my way, but there will also have been subjects which have been discussed which may also have caused upset or offence to people without the posters knowing about it.
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I can see why BST jumped on it.
I have a son with schizophrenia, and at times his and our lives have been a living hell over the last 15 years. You've no idea, so when people make jokes about it it tends to make your blood boil.
You have my sympathy TT. I've got some idea what you've been going through.
In my son's case we are only just coming to terms with it. His biggest fear is having people take the piss out of him for his condition. He's a handsome, intelligent, thoughtful, athletic boy on the brink of manhood, and his confidence could be destroyed by some t**t with a neanderthal sense of humour. I think we have a responsibility to be better than that.
Thanks BST.
My lads illness has unfortunately defined us since he became unwell.
It affects every aspect of our lives, even when he's relatively well, (which he is now that he's back on his meds) and, as he lives with us, stops us doing everyday things 'normal' families take for granted.
Try not to let that happen to you.
I sincerely hope your son and you and your family are able to manage his condition so that he'll have a full life and achieve all he wants to.
You can't control what some d**kheads might say to him, (believe me I've seen it with my lad, I could f***ing thump em)
Just remind him he's special.
Good luck!
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Hound
I obviously knew CLH was not mocking BST's son.
He was having a laugh generally at people with mental health issues.
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My heart goes out to you TT. It's a hell that you can't imagine until you're in it. I know exactly what you mean about the effect on normal family life.
Good luck to you and your family and I deeply hope your son has the chance to get his life on the rails. We are very lucky that the council and school here have support systems in place which are giving us some hope at the moment. But it's a slog every day as I'm sure you know better than me.
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My sympathies to you and your families a close colleague has a son with downs syndrome, it's a life's work.
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Hound
I obviously knew CLH was not mocking BST's son.
He was having a laugh generally at people with mental health issues.
errr no he wasn't mi Lord it was OBVIOUSLY about the descrptive word (not the actual people themselves) I had never heard of - my friend .
I actually asked BB on here if he had ever heard of that "N" word. Response awaaited.
When by chance I discovered the usage of the term Neurodivergent in my mind I included Einstein etc under that umberella. It was only later when I re-read the definition that I discovered Persons such as Einstein were EXCLUDED from the definition .
Just because Einstein was a genius in science - he would be useless in other fields with presumably many faults.
I believe such persons as Einstein should be included in a NEW more general definition (both positive and negative neurodivergent - whatever that means) perhaps the term "Creative Neurodivergent" could be applied to Einstein etc ?
If you bother to get past BST's "Barnsley style BUT GENUINE IN THIS CASE LOW BLOCK on the thread you will see I focus on the second part of the word neurodivergent
BST on countless occasions uses the Barnsley style "low block" technique on a thread ..." i have a friend etc"
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Note I mention I know financiallydivergent people - I am taking the pi$$ out of the word divergent NOT PEOPLE WITH NO MONEY.
so please get past the initial "low block" and read the content and don't hijack the thread
Continuing my taking the pi$$ out of current BBc usage of words i plead the following paragraph
"There is commitment to the main series talent, Fiona Bruce. The series also features a large number of
returning experts. We are open to suggestions that can utilise and enhance the current pool, ensuring that the
team continues to evolve in way that reflects the breadth and diversity of the BBC audience"
men often refer to women as "Talent"
The big issue in" BBC Language" is should we refer to Gary Lineker as the "main series Talent" or would you find this offensive ?
source
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/invitation-to-tender-antiques-roadshow-june-2022.pdf
I am sure you remember Lineker being "offensive" to Gazza
Here endeth the sermon (for now0
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Hound
I obviously knew CLH was not mocking BST's son.
He was having a laugh generally at people with mental health issues.
errr no he wasn't mi Lord it was OBVIOUSLY about the descrptive word (not the actual people themselves) I had never heard of - my friend .
I actually asked BB on here if he had ever heard of that "N" word. Response awaaited.
When by chance I discovered the usage of the term Neurodivergent in my mind I included Einstein etc under that umberella. It was only later when I re-read the definition that I discovered Persons such as Einstein were EXCLUDED from the definition .
Just because Einstein was a genius in science - he would be useless in other fields with presumably many faults.
I believe such persons as Einstein should be included in a NEW more general definition (both positive and negative neurodivergent - whatever that means) perhaps the term "Creative Neurodivergent" could be applied to Einstein etc ?
If you bother to get past BST's "Barnsley style BUT GENUINE IN THIS CASE LOW BLOCK on the thread you will see I focus on the second part of the word neurodivergent
BST on countless occasions uses the Barnsley style "low block" technique on a thread ..." i have a friend etc"
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Note I mention I know financiallydivergent people - I am taking the pi$$ out of the word divergent NOT PEOPLE WITH NO MONEY.
so please get past the initial "low block" and read the content and don't hijack the thread
Continuing my taking the pi$$ out of current BBc usage of words i plead the following paragraph
"There is commitment to the main series talent, Fiona Bruce. The series also features a large number of
returning experts. We are open to suggestions that can utilise and enhance the current pool, ensuring that the
team continues to evolve in way that reflects the breadth and diversity of the BBC audience"
men often refer to women as "Talent"
The big issue in" BBC Language" is should we refer to Gary Lineker as the "main series Talent" or would you find this offensive ?
source
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/invitation-to-tender-antiques-roadshow-june-2022.pdf
I am sure you remember Lineker being "offensive" to Gazza
Here endeth the sermon (for now0
Nothing you post has an obvious intent or meaning!
If you truly want something to be obvious to people might I suggest plain English and ditching the unnecessary quotation marks once in a while?
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BST is the head of this forum and if he says we should be able to say what we like without consequences that'll do for me. He's already led by example.
In that regard, that's why I'm not holding my breath for an apology from him.