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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: tyke1962 on March 25, 2023, 06:10:23 pm
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With us having a free weekend , the fact our Sales Manager is a mad Northampton fan and I contribute to this forum I thought I'd tune in to the ifollow coverage this afternoon .
First thing that struck me was the thousands of empty red seats , there hardly seemed to be anybody there , that's obviously a reflection on the season your having but none the less I was still pretty shocked to see the stadium as empty as it was .
I'm not going to go in to the two Northampton goals which won them the game , silly errors , it happens .
What I was looking for was to see signs that Rovers can come good next season , formation , tactics , players attitude and some method to the play , I take the point you were missing a number of key players but none the less the signs should still be there because I'm not going to concern myself with the result of the game to balance that out .
You really need a big presence at the back , a strong organising big character , takes the ball and the man , no nonsense whilst organising that back three .
Never once in the game saw Rovers switch the play , if an attack began down the left it never shifted until it broke down .
Got to move the opposition around , players have to do more and make the runs , the ball may not come but those runs have to be made .
Way way too easy to play against , you knew where Molyneux was the whole game and so did the Northampton defence for that matter .
Move around lad , ask a question , find those pockets of space , draw defenders where they don't want to go , be a nightmare .
There's ability in that lad but he's not getting used right .
But overall you were way way too static and predictable .
I'd like to see way more energy and intensity in that group , aggressive pressing and a real desire to win that ball back quickly with a higher tempo .
A bit more sweat on those hoops constructively done if you will .
Nowt that can't be put right in a summer in my opinion but for God's sake poping five yard nowt balls off all afternoon was driving me crazy never mind the Rovers faithful .
Move around the bloody pitch for God's sake .
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Thanks for your honest appraisal, its not rocket science that you have come to the same conclusion that many on here have,
Now if we can see it, you can see it, why the f**k cannot the HOF and coach see it, we don't expect the owners to see it, to busy watching rugby.
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Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.
The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!
We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.
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With us having a free weekend , the fact our Sales Manager is a mad Northampton fan and I contribute to this forum I thought I'd tune in to the ifollow coverage this afternoon .
First thing that struck me was the thousands of empty red seats , there hardly seemed to be anybody there , that's obviously a reflection on the season your having but none the less I was still pretty shocked to see the stadium as empty as it was .
I'm not going to go in to the two Northampton goals which won them the game , silly errors , it happens .
What I was looking for was to see signs that Rovers can come good next season , formation , tactics , players attitude and some method to the play , I take the point you were missing a number of key players but none the less the signs should still be there because I'm not going to concern myself with the result of the game to balance that out .
You really need a big presence at the back , a strong organising big character , takes the ball and the man , no nonsense whilst organising that back three .
Never once in the game saw Rovers switch the play , if an attack began down the left it never shifted until it broke down .
Got to move the opposition around , players have to do more and make the runs , the ball may not come but those runs have to be made .
Way way too easy to play against , you knew where Molyneux was the whole game and so did the Northampton defence for that matter .
Move around lad , ask a question , find those pockets of space , draw defenders where they don't want to go , be a nightmare .
There's ability in that lad but he's not getting used right .
But overall you were way way too static and predictable .
I'd like to see way more energy and intensity in that group , aggressive pressing and a real desire to win that ball back quickly with a higher tempo .
A bit more sweat on those hoops constructively done if you will .
Nowt that can't be put right in a summer in my opinion but for God's sake poping five yard nowt balls off all afternoon was driving me crazy never mind the Rovers faithful .
Move around the bloody pitch for God's sake .
Thanks for your observations Tyke but you are not telling us anymore than we already know. Those things have been apparent all season long.
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Problem is that confidence goes and everyone looks shite. This is where you need to just dig results and performances out. Back to basics. Give yourself a chance of scoring and don’t give away stupid goals or take stupid risks.
DS shows no appetite to change meaning we just get worse as the confidence goes. Fair enough have a way you want to play but we have to look like a competent team to start that.
Didn’t go today but it sounds like same old story. We beat ourselves and the opposition don’t look great or have to do much and we offer zero threat to score or offer anything in entertainment.
Won’t be going for the rest of the season. I already know it’s rinse and repeat while DS is in charge so safe myself the grief
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Take the mistakes that led to the goals out of the equation and you have two equally sh*t teams. Most likely, the reason for the gap between the two teams is our ability to try to commit suicide more often.
As bad as this league is, if we could only do the basics better, we'd be in the play off places. The standard is very poor.
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Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.
The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!
We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.
Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .
Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .
They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .
Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .
Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .
Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .
Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .
Huge gulf in class ?
Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .
In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .
What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .
That's not happening at Rovers .
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You think today was empty. Wait until next season with this idiot in charge
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Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.
The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!
We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.
Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .
Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .
They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .
Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .
Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .
Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .
Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .
Huge gulf in class ?
Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .
In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .
What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .
That's not happening at Rovers .
Unbelievably Tyke, you actually witnessed a better performance than of late.
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Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.
The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!
We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.
Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .
Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .
They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .
Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .
Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .
Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .
Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .
Huge gulf in class ?
Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .
In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .
What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .
That's not happening at Rovers .
100% correct tyke. That post is as it is. Even more so than your 1st post.
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I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened
Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )
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I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened
Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )
Yep I happen to have purchased one of these quite remarkable bits of kit .
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:thumbsup:
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Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated
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Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated
Fair enough Raven .
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Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated
The whole ground will be sparsely populated soon.
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Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.
The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!
We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.
Joe Olowu is the one player who makes a pass then moves to make an angle for a return ball if he is needed.
If he was playing up front he would be very difficult to mark.
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.
At this level you can't die on an ideological hill as a HC or manager you have to be pragmatic .
There's much made of Evans in the lower leagues , he's not a success everywhere but he's successful enough because he knows the level of football he operates within inside out .
The same with Coleman at Accrington , it's an unbelievable achievement every time Stanley survive another league one season paying players £800 pw .
Now looking at this from the other side of Goldthorpe , Rovers are one of the biggest clubs in the league , there's enough brand here to attract players , at this level it's seen as one of the club's .
This HC is sucking the life out of you and he'll end up giving you an inferiority complex if things are allowed to continue .
This is exactly what's happened at Bradford City .
I used to dread playing you lot when you were coming up the league's under Ryan , hated the game .
That's what you need to get back to mate .
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I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened
Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )
It was on Ifollow for a tenner because of the international break. Apart from the howlers it was better than recent games, it must have been because I made it through to the end.
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.
I find all this personal name calling of schofield absolutely ridiculous.
The bloke is doing his best whether you think that’s good enough or not there’s no reason to start calling him a deluded idiot
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Maybe name calling is harsh.
But don’t say he’s doing his best. He’s tried one thing and repeatedly failed at it. That’s not his best. If he can’t see a change is needed maybe the description of idiot isn’t name calling but factual…
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
then why f**king play this way then if that’s the case. For this alone the bloody halfwit needs sacking!!
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
Nothing like stating the obvious but everyone and i mean uncle Tom Cobly and all have reached the conclusion that he does not have the players to effect his principles, even he himself has alluded to this. So as a head coach why is he still persisting with this failed procedure?
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
A decent, knowledgeable & experienced manager though would assess what he's got and devise a system that suits the players at his disposal. Then when he gets his players in who he knows can play his preferred style that's when he plays it.
I said on another thread was DS not asked in his interview how he would use the players at his disposal until such time he had his own players in. He appears to be shooting himself in the foot by insisting on sticking to his style of play and not adapting to suit the players at his disposal.
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.
I find all this personal name calling of schofield absolutely ridiculous.
The bloke is doing his best whether you think that’s good enough or not there’s no reason to start calling him a deluded idiot
But his actions look like he is a deluded idiot, as Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
Tyke yesterday's game was one of better more entertaining performances this season. The others have been horrific.
And for a club that is so commercially viable the fact the east stand is so empty does speak volumes, or more appropriately silence
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Are you sure you were watching yesterdays game CR not a replay of the away fixture?
Yesterday was absolute pants
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
A decent, knowledgeable & experienced manager though would assess what he's got and devise a system that suits the players at his disposal. Then when he gets his players in who he knows can play his preferred style that's when he plays it.
I said on another thread was DS not asked in his interview how he would use the players at his disposal until such time he had his own players in. He appears to be shooting himself in the foot by insisting on sticking to his style of play and not adapting to suit the players at his disposal.
Even if he had his realistic ideal players that the club could afford, we would not get top 3.
How many of the 20 teams that have been promoted from L2 in the last 5 years have played 3-4-3 playing it out from the back?
How many top teams are even playing this formation now, just Spurs? Christ. It is horrific. That is why the stadium is half empty.
It would maybe be slightly more palatable if the coaching and playing staff were passionate and likeable on the whole. I’ve watched Rovers for 20 years and I’ve never celebrated a goal less than our first vs Wimbledon a fortnight ago.
Recruitment is based on style of play. Let’s identify tried and tested player roles that compliment each other and recruit some men (not boys) to fill them. Back to basics and restore some balance.
People saying Northampton aren’t that good. No, you don’t have to be to get promoted from this league. But I would swap the vast majority of our first choice players for their’s in a heartbeat.
I think ticket sales in the next week will force the club’s hand. Hopefully that will ignite some serious introspection as to what has gone wrong. And also not only go how we go forwards, but how we provide some basic sense of entertainment and pride for us supporters. That’s the most important “fundamental” right now for this club.
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Are you sure you were watching yesterdays game CR not a replay of the away fixture?
Yesterday was absolute pants
Agreed but it was better than most of our games under DS still.
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Must admit I thought it was a better performance than the previous two games despite how poor it still was.
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
A decent, knowledgeable & experienced manager though would assess what he's got and devise a system that suits the players at his disposal. Then when he gets his players in who he knows can play his preferred style that's when he plays it.
I said on another thread was DS not asked in his interview how he would use the players at his disposal until such time he had his own players in. He appears to be shooting himself in the foot by insisting on sticking to his style of play and not adapting to suit the players at his disposal.
Even if he had his realistic ideal players that the club could afford, we would not get top 3.
How many of the 20 teams that have been promoted from L2 in the last 5 years have played 3-4-3 playing it out from the back?
How many top teams are even playing this formation now, just Spurs? Christ. It is horrific. That is why the stadium is half empty.
It would maybe be slightly more palatable if the coaching and playing staff were passionate and likeable on the whole. I’ve watched Rovers for 20 years and I’ve never celebrated a goal less than our first vs Wimbledon a fortnight ago.
Recruitment is based on style of play. Let’s identify tried and tested player roles that compliment each other and recruit some men (not boys) to fill them. Back to basics and restore some balance.
People saying Northampton aren’t that good. No, you don’t have to be to get promoted from this league. But I would swap the vast majority of our first choice players for their’s in a heartbeat.
I think ticket sales in the next week will force the club’s hand. Hopefully that will ignite some serious introspection as to what has gone wrong. And also not only go how we go forwards, but how we provide some basic sense of entertainment and pride for us supporters. That’s the most important “fundamental” right now for this club.
Don't get me wrong I agree we shouldn't be trying to play out from the back in lge 2. Best way to get out of this lge is to get the ball in the oppos box as quickly & as often as you can and let the defenders make the inevitable mistakes and pounce when they do.
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Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,
Yes but sometimes you can believe in stupid things. And that can make you an idiot. Not a horrible person or anything like that. Just not smart. Would be harmless if he weren’t managing drfc
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I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .
You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .
The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .
Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .
PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .
What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .
So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .
I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .
It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .
It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .
100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.
I find all this personal name calling of schofield absolutely ridiculous.
The bloke is doing his best whether you think that’s good enough or not there’s no reason to start calling him a deluded idiot
A smart person would be flexible and at least try to adapt. If he has the ability to do that but isn’t, then he isn’t trying his best.
If he doesn’t have that ability, then he isn’t intelligent enough for the job.
Both are deserving of losing the job. Which one is it Dicko?
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Dickos.
Now you have been posting quite a lot of sensible, level headed comments over the season.
There is is no way you can defend DS and his absolute dire football he is presiding over as the Head Coach.
His lack of tactical acumen, complete refusal to be flexible in the way the team sets up and his refusal to admit even to himself that we are going backwards as a team & the players are losing confidence, does unfortunately make him a deluded idiot.
This is nothing personal against him. He is probably a very decent person.
But in terms of him as a football coach, his stubbornness and inflexibility and his refusal to admit to himself to what’s blatantly obvious to everyone except himself, then that makes him an idiot.
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Is it solely DS’s fault?
I think responsibility lies equally with Coppinger - the style we are attempting to play (if it is a style at all) is coppinger through & through - lightweight, tippy tappy, based on allegedly skilful players. The work it out from the back style reminiscent of SOD has now been found out with the high press - but that is what they are trying to implement - woeful. The only direction we are going in is down - and out!!!
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I don't think that's fair at all. And as for the tippy tappy stuff keeping possession is good if with purpose. Can you not remember the long pass that Mills used to regularly make and the wingers we had in JJ and Mark Mcamon? Full of physicality, height and energy. We had fullbacks that ran forward with the ball and a defensive line that didn't sit too deep unlike todays.
A lack of confidence breeds that.
5 at the back now just doesn't suffice we play 5 at the back as deep as they can be...if they are too deep the coaching staff should be bollocking the players to move up.
We are awful to watch but I believe with the right coaching we should be a LOT better even with the current crop of players.
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Apologies - replace tippy tappy then with sideways & backwards. There is no purpose to what we are attempting to do. So little movement. So little work in closing opposition down, so little strength so that we lose even 80:20 balls.
Powderpuff, lightweight, spineless
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
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That’s fair enough Dickos, but we can’t see in to the future. And on paper continuing with an unproven manager trying to play an unproven formation and system in this division is a big big risk. The decline needs to be halted by going back to basics or we will be non-league again. The empty red seats do not lie.
If the injured players were laughing at the second goal on Saturday then he doesn’t have them on his side either.
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To stand a chance of this process even remotely working, we would need the absolute best technical players available at this level to join an declining average club with an average budget and empty stadium. Does anyone think that is realistic?
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
This is dead on for me.
He's got players who aren't very good, who weren't signed with any kind of recruitment strategy in mind. Of the squad he does have, half of them are injured. He wasn't backed at all in the transfer window, presumably to make the rebuild easier in the summer. We've a weaker squad now than we started the season with.
Those asking for "a change of system" should be careful what they wish for with this bunch of misfits, 6/10 squad players, and half-fit journeymen. As bad as it is now, it could get a lot worse.
Impossible to judge any manager or coach in this situation. Sacking him and expecting a proven L1 manager to fall out of the sky and whip this lot into shape in the last third of the season is just not going to happen.
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What DS is trying to do with these players simply will not work. It's a bit like putting a jockey on a donkey and expecting it to win the Derby.
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
This is dead on for me.
He's got players who aren't very good, who weren't signed with any kind of recruitment strategy in mind. Of the squad he does have, half of them are injured. He wasn't backed at all in the transfer window, presumably to make the rebuild easier in the summer. We've a weaker squad now than we started the season with.
Those asking for "a change of system" should be careful what they wish for with this bunch of misfits, 6/10 squad players, and half-fit journeymen. As bad as it is now, it could get a lot worse.
Impossible to judge any manager or coach in this situation. Sacking him and expecting a proven L1 manager to fall out of the sky and whip this lot into shape in the last third of the season is just not going to happen.
Just a proven L2 manager would be fine.
In terms of the rest of this season, I wouldn’t expect anyone to do anything much at all. But a few can be useful next season if used properly E.g. Miller with a hold up striker and Anderson expected to play his natural game. Schofield will not do these things.
But I’d be much more confident of recruitment based on an experienced manager’s sound idea of football at this level than Schofield’s dreamland one.
Rovers dude said it earlier. He’s so tactically inflexible that it just gets figured out. Hence why we looked much better at the start of his reign and not now. Every team gets injuries.
Where are we going to find the players for his system at this level from with our budget? And if there are some, is there evidence otherwise that DS will make them less effective players like has happened to Hurst and Brown?
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
Even if our recruitment team knew what they was doing, it’s impossible to get players good enough to play his style with the budget we have available
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Dickos my friend.
Do you think he will be signing players of the calibre of Stock, O’Connor, Roberts, Hayter and others any time soon.
They were some of SoD’s first signings weren’t they. Was JoC signed by Dave Penny before SoD arrived. I think he was.
Also SoD inherited a much better team than this one is and it was in a division higher.
To try and put a team together to play Scofield ball and be successful would cost a fortune.
What we need is a team & style of football capable of getting out of this league. Schofield will take us out the wrong end of this league if he is allowed to continue on his flawed “process”
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
Even if our recruitment team knew what they was doing, it’s impossible to get players good enough to play his style with the budget we have available
Orient are top of the league playing this style of football.
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Dickos my friend.
Do you think he will be signing players of the calibre of Stock, O’Connor, Roberts, Hayter and others any time soon.
They were some of SoD’s first signings weren’t they. Was JoC signed by Dave Penny before SoD arrived. I think he was.
Also SoD inherited a much better team than this one is and it was in a division higher.
To try and put a team together to play Scofield ball and be successful would cost a fortune.
What we need is a team & style of football capable of getting out of this league. Schofield will take us out the wrong end of this league if he is allowed to continue on his flawed “process”
Of course not,
But if you’re appointing a manager to play a certain way you’ve got to give him the chance to sign players who can play that way.
To keep sacking managers is just going to make things worse.
He needs to build his own side and then he can be judged.
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
Even if our recruitment team knew what they was doing, it’s impossible to get players good enough to play his style with the budget we have available
Orient are top of the league playing this style of football.
Believe me Leyton Orient don’t play anything like our team does. That’s why they are 23 points above us and in all probability are going to win the league and we will finish between 12th and 16th
They have some steel in their team as well as good football players.
Not noticed a player like Darren Pratley in our midfield dickos. They have both pace and power across their team. We don’t.
So you trust DS with this summers recruitment then and you think he can put a promotion team together next season?
Seriously, based on his inflexibility and lack of tactical nous we have seen from him this season you have an awful lot more faith in him than i do and it would seem than a huge majority of our supporters do.
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Up until a month ago, people including you campsall were pretty happy with schofield.
Now we’ve had a month of poor performances, he’s not got a clue what he’s doing.
We’ve had some good performances under him, he’s trying to change the whole philosophy of how we play and he’s doing that with players that aren’t his or players that we’re rattling around not playing for clubs.
The last month has been dreadful but I’m still of the opinion we need to give him the summer to sign a squad of players he believes can play this way and then assess where we are.
When sod first joined fans we’re going mad at the lack of passion, the lack of chances, the lack of excitement,
It took him well over a year before it clicked and if he’d took over when schofield did he would’ve done exactly the same and tried to change the whole philosophy he wouldn’t have just started playing differently because we were struggling, he’d have continued in his beliefs as Danny is doing and we’d be struggling the same, as we don’t have the players currently.
Even if our recruitment team knew what they was doing, it’s impossible to get players good enough to play his style with the budget we have available
Orient are top of the league playing this style of football.
Believe me Leyton Orient don’t play anything like our team does. That’s why they are 23 points above us and in all probability are going to win the league and we will finish between 12th and 16th
They have some steel in their team as well as good football players.
Not noticed a player like Darren Pratley in our midfield dickos. They have both pace and power across their team. We don’t.
So you trust DS with this summers recruitment then and you think he can put a promotion team together next season?
Seriously, based on his inflexibility and lack of tactical nous we have seen from him this season you have an awful lot more faith in him than i do and it would seem than a huge majority of our supporters do.
Exactly, orient have the players they need to play the way they do.
Correct we don’t have a pratley in midfield but that’s down to recruitment before schofield arrived. What you’re saying is exactly the point I’m making, we don’t have pace and power or a pratley so let the manager sign these players that he needs.
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Dickos my friend.
Do you think he will be signing players of the calibre of Stock, O’Connor, Roberts, Hayter and others any time soon.
They were some of SoD’s first signings weren’t they. Was JoC signed by Dave Penny before SoD arrived. I think he was.
Also SoD inherited a much better team than this one is and it was in a division higher.
To try and put a team together to play Scofield ball and be successful would cost a fortune.
What we need is a team & style of football capable of getting out of this league. Schofield will take us out the wrong end of this league if he is allowed to continue on his flawed “process”
Of course not,
But if you’re appointing a manager to play a certain way you’ve got to give him the chance to sign players who can play that way.
To keep sacking managers is just going to make things worse.
He needs to build his own side and then he can be judged.
Thats all well and good, as I’ve said before on another thread, to change the style of play it needs to be an evolution process, not a sudden change, you have to use the attributes you’ve got and gradually change, he’s not doing that and insisting we carry on committing suicide hin his blind quest
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To add to Camps’ post.
Leyton Orient play a normal football formation in 4-3-3.
They have also built on solid foundations with the best defence and goalkeeper in the league.
They also have players who suit the style they want to play so they can execute it. And a firm manager who can make sure the players maintain high enough standards to do so. This breeds consistency.
The remaining top of the table sides like Orient are tougher than us, but can mix it up / play direct more effectively. Orient are the exception.
You don’t have to keep sacking managers if you get the right one.
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We had that one and sacked him,
If we sack schofield he’ll rock up somewhere else and do well, sacking manager after manager isn’t the answer
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There’s more to what makes a manager the right one at the right time for the right club than just being like “oh look Wellens is doing well now, told you so”.
Nobody is saying it’s all the manager’s fault, we can believe more than one thing at the same time.
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I agree
But if you’re never giving them long enough to at least build their own squad then what’s the point
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I agree
But if you’re never giving them long enough to at least build their own squad then what’s the point
I speak for myself and I think many supporters on here who feel that giving Schofield more time to do that in the club’s current state would be far too risky.
I’d actually say we play most similarly to Swindon. They have a bigger budget and are level on points with us.
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
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That’s because everyone is looking at how we are now, not long ago we were playing well and creating many more chances.
Grimsby away, Carlisle home, Swindon away, even Mansfield away were all good performances.
The last month has been dreadful but that’s coincided with big injuries and our squad can’t cope
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
I’ve said this before but sod was our best manager of all time and if we’d appointed him now he would’ve stuck by his beliefs he wouldn’t have started playing percentage football just because the squad wasn’t good enough yet.
And as I say he’s the greatest manager we’ve ever had so when you say any competent manager would be pragmatic, sod wouldn't
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
I’ve said this before but sod was our best manager of all time and if we’d appointed him now he would’ve stuck by his beliefs he wouldn’t have started playing percentage football just because the squad wasn’t good enough yet.
And as I say he’s the greatest manager we’ve ever had so when you say any competent manager would be pragmatic, sod wouldn't
Now you're just making things up because your argument is just plain wrong. You don't have the remotest idea about whether SOD would be pragmatic in this situation. Non at all.
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
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Dickos. The club is in a very very different place to when SOD took charge. It also does not have the financial backing of that era.
Look at Rochdale and Chesterfield recently. What makes you think that we are immune from something like that happening?
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I remember the "f**k off back to Bournemouth" chants from some of our "knowledgeable" fans, and that was with financial backing!
We can only thank God he didn't!
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
What ARE the capabilities of this group of players though? Seriously, I keep seeing this argument made, but no one ever says what style we should be playing. Direct? Hoofball? Pressing? Sit back and counter? What system would suit this group of players, and specifically what system would suit the players we've had available for the last month?
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Dickos. The club is in a very very different place to when SOD took charge. It also does not have the financial backing of that era.
Look at Rochdale and Chesterfield recently. What makes you think that we are immune from something like that happening?
I know but that’s not the point of this discussion,
Everyone keeps saying schofield is clueless because he can’t change how he wants to play.
But that’s not how it works, if you believe in something then you stick to it regardless of what league you’re in, we struggled for a long period under sod as he stuck to his beliefs.
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
was Gary woods here under SOD??
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That’s because everyone is looking at how we are now, not long ago we were playing well and creating many more chances.
Grimsby away, Carlisle home, Swindon away, even Mansfield away were all good performances.
The last month has been dreadful but that’s coincided with big injuries and our squad can’t cope
my god. You can only pull out 4 games out of 25 in which YOU believed we played well. One of which we conceded 4!! And most of those were earlier on in his tenure. Suggesting the longer his influence continues on the players, the worse we’ve got! No more questions yer honour.
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Gary Woods signed several years after SOD took charge.
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
What ARE the capabilities of this group of players though? Seriously, I keep seeing this argument made, but no one ever says what style we should be playing. Direct? Hoofball? Pressing? Sit back and counter? What system would suit this group of players, and specifically what system would suit the players we've had available for the last month?
Not a great deal to be honest. I would say that sit back and counter is probably the best of a limited array of options for this group of players. The games where we have had less possession are the ones we have typically performed a bit better in.
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Dickos. The club is in a very very different place to when SOD took charge. It also does not have the financial backing of that era.
Look at Rochdale and Chesterfield recently. What makes you think that we are immune from something like that happening?
I know but that’s not the point of this discussion,
Everyone keeps saying schofield is clueless because he can’t change how he wants to play.
But that’s not how it works, if you believe in something then you stick to it regardless of what league you’re in, we struggled for a long period under sod as he stuck to his beliefs.
If he wants to play out from the back why is he offering Tom Anderson and Jonathan Mitchell new contracts? Straight answer please.
He’s making it up as he goes along and justifying it by calling it “a process”.
Our budget will be below average by August if he is still here. People don’t want to watch the back 3 struggling to pass around the opposition press and resort to hoofing it up to a diminutive lone striker no one near him. DS said he won’t change.
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But any competent manager would understand that until he can build a squad to play his chosen way he needs to be pragmatic and play to the capabilities of the players he has at any given time. Schofield has gone all in on Schofball from the off and is refusing to acknowledge that it isn't working.
What ARE the capabilities of this group of players though? Seriously, I keep seeing this argument made, but no one ever says what style we should be playing. Direct? Hoofball? Pressing? Sit back and counter? What system would suit this group of players, and specifically what system would suit the players we've had available for the last month?
I would say that sit back and counter is probably the best option for this group of players. The games where we have had less possession are the ones we have typically performed a bit better in.
I'd tend to agree. However without Knoyle and Maxwell to drive us up the pitch, or Biggins to burst forwards, we don't have any players who can pose a threat on the counter currently. Hurst is potentially, but he's young, knackered after an intense first season, and isn't good enough defensively.
So we end up with the (mostly, apart from the laughable errors) solid defensive part of the counter, without the attacking threat at the other end, hence the absolutely shocking shite we're being served up at the minute. But then we're back to: what alternative is there? Go direct with a keeper who can't kick a ball and a midfield physically incapable of winning a second ball?
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Exactly MM, I have thought this myself previously. All this comes from a lack of a cohesive vision and recruitment strategy for the team. This season is a write off.
I think for next year we should aim to have a more combative, quicker and physical team. Perhaps one that can play some decent stuff whilst delivering the basics but one that is dangerous on the counter attack in a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. That would be much easier to achieve at this level with our budget than this attempt at 3-4-3 total football (that’s his formation, he has said he isn’t changing).
Here’s why I think that:
We will have good solid defenders who will get stuck in but not necessarily a ball playing defence - Anderson, Faulkner, Olowu, Maxwell. For my hypothetical vision, this would just need adding a fast combative right back. It would also need a goalkeeper more up to the task than the current one who plays like Stevie Wonder’s torso.
Then a target man who can bring others in to play amongst the likes of Miller, Molyneux and Hurst. That will make them more effective and dangerous on the counter. They aren’t exactly crisp passing creative players are they?
Then add some bite in to midfield with Lakin and a proper defensive mid.
That’s 5 or 6 new solid league 2 players only needed for the starting XI. Whereas SchofieldBall would need 11 new hard to come by players.
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Apart from keeper strong men required in Centre Back, Centre Midfield, Centre Forward get those 3 right and you can build a team around them including up and coming youngsters for not much money comparatively speaking
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Can't really disagree with any of that nc, but I just think we don't really have a fair reflection on what Schofieldball is yet. He doesn't have the resources available to get us playing any system, let alone his ideal one. That's why I think sacking him is the wrong call, because the new man will have the exact same issues but we're just starting from scratch again. Give him a pre-season, then judge Schofieldball. At the minute he's carrying two years of the club's failures on his shoulders.
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Gary Woods signed several years after SOD took charge.
I couldn’t remember if it was woods or smith, it must’ve been smith then
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Dickos we had just finished 8th in League one the season before SoD took over.
We had some good payers in that team which he inherited. Players who were very capable of passing a football. We also had a bit of steel in the team also.
This team is in no way capable of playing the way DS is asking them to.
We need to play with a flat back 4 There is no justification in playing 3 centre backs against teams who play only one central striker. The vast majority of teams play that way in League 2 this season.
We desperately need another body in the middle of the park. We are constantly outnumbered in the middle with our 2 v 3
All this does is create a situation where we have no control on the game.
Our wing backs ( that’s a joke ) are stifled and rarely get forward to build meaningful attacks.
So some say we pay a 3-4-3 formation. We don’t, we play a 5-2-3 formation which becomes more often a 5-4-1 without the ball and with it it should be a 3-4-3 but rarely is because we don’t keep the ball long enough.
We should be playing a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the starting 11 with the players we have in our squad. That for me is standing out like a sore thumb.
Why DS can’t see it is one of the mysteries of the world. You don’t need coaching badges to see the obvious.
We could be very expansive and play 4-4-2 which becomes 4-2-4 when on the offensive.
That’s risky but we would be entertained and would see us score a lot more goals. Yes we would concede a few I suspect with this team.
Dickos this is league 2. Who do you think Copps and DS will sign in the summer that will be capable of playing his way. It is quite alarming that it seems Copps is allowing this to happen.
If our budget is 12th highest this summer then we will finish bottom 4 next season under this coach.
It could even be be worse than that. The unthinkable could be a reality.
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Dickos we had just finished 8th in League one the season before SoD took over.
We had some good payers in that team which he inherited. Players who were very capable of passing a football. We also had a bit of steel in the team also.
This team is in no way capable of playing the way DS is asking them to.
We need to play with a flat back 4 There is no justification in playing 3 centre backs against teams who play only one central striker. The vast majority of teams play that way in League 2 this season.
We desperately need another body in the middle of the park. We are constantly outnumbered in the middle with our 2 v 3
All this does is create a situation where we have no control on the game.
Our wing backs ( that’s a joke ) are stifled and rarely get forward to build meaningful attacks.
So some say we pay a 3-4-3 formation. We don’t, we play a 5-2-3 formation which becomes more often a 5-4-1 without the ball and with it it should be a 3-4-3 but rarely is because we don’t keep the ball long enough.
We should be playing a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the starting 11 with the players we have in our squad. That for me is standing out like a sore thumb.
Why DS can’t see it is one of the mysteries of the world. You don’t need coaching badges to see the obvious.
We could be very expansive and play 4-4-2 which becomes 4-2-4 when on the offensive.
That’s risky but we would be entertained and would see us score a lot more goals. Yes we would concede a few I suspect with this team.
Dickos this is league 2. Who do you think Copps and DS will sign in the summer that will be capable of playing his way. It is quite alarming that it seems Copps is allowing this to happen.
If our budget is 12th highest this summer then we will finish bottom 4 next season under this coach.
It could even be be worse than that. The unthinkable could be a reality.
He got rid of almost all them though,
He knew they couldn’t play how he wanted, and they proved they couldn’t hence why everyone was going mad about the football.
But he built his own squad and succeeded.
People saying you can’t get league two players playing football how he wants are just talking rubbish, to get to a level of league 2 you’ve got to be an outstanding footballer, not all footballers excell in what Danny wants but there are plenty of footballers at that level that can comfortably achieve it
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Dickos we had just finished 8th in League one the season before SoD took over.
We had some good payers in that team which he inherited. Players who were very capable of passing a football. We also had a bit of steel in the team also.
This team is in no way capable of playing the way DS is asking them to.
We need to play with a flat back 4 There is no justification in playing 3 centre backs against teams who play only one central striker. The vast majority of teams play that way in League 2 this season.
We desperately need another body in the middle of the park. We are constantly outnumbered in the middle with our 2 v 3
All this does is create a situation where we have no control on the game.
Our wing backs ( that’s a joke ) are stifled and rarely get forward to build meaningful attacks.
So some say we pay a 3-4-3 formation. We don’t, we play a 5-2-3 formation which becomes more often a 5-4-1 without the ball and with it it should be a 3-4-3 but rarely is because we don’t keep the ball long enough.
We should be playing a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the starting 11 with the players we have in our squad. That for me is standing out like a sore thumb.
Why DS can’t see it is one of the mysteries of the world. You don’t need coaching badges to see the obvious.
We could be very expansive and play 4-4-2 which becomes 4-2-4 when on the offensive.
That’s risky but we would be entertained and would see us score a lot more goals. Yes we would concede a few I suspect with this team.
Dickos this is league 2. Who do you think Copps and DS will sign in the summer that will be capable of playing his way. It is quite alarming that it seems Copps is allowing this to happen.
If our budget is 12th highest this summer then we will finish bottom 4 next season under this coach.
It could even be be worse than that. The unthinkable could be a reality.
He got rid of almost all them though,
He knew they couldn’t play how he wanted, and they proved they couldn’t hence why everyone was going mad about the football.
But he built his own squad and succeeded.
People saying you can’t get league two players playing football how he wants are just talking rubbish, to get to a level of league 2 you’ve got to be an outstanding footballer, not all footballers excell in what Danny wants but there are plenty of footballers at that level that can comfortably achieve it
Which of our players contracted for next season suit this system (if you can call it that)? I would say Olowu is the only one.
Close has the technique on the ball but is not physical enough to maintain intense pressing or win the ball back.
We can’t afford to tear up the entire squad.
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Point of Copps role is that he recruits for the club style. So the old argument of giving a head coach 2 windows doesn’t hold. Copps should sign players and coaches that play the way DRFC want long term. Thus avoiding the yearly start from scratch and wholesale change of direction when a new manager comes in.
Ok they’ll always be a player or two the manager won’t fancy when coming into the club but in theory there shouldn’t be wholesale change. We are doing the right thing in theory the execution is awful though
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Well when he joined us he didn’t have the players to play the way he wanted but we still had Gary woods passing it around in his own 6 yard box. We still tried to pass pass pass, backwards, sidewards, the forum was awash with people complaining about how boring it was, bring back Penney, sod has no passion etc etc etc
So yes I do have an idea as that’s exactly what he did
Dickos we had just finished 8th in League one the season before SoD took over.
We had some good payers in that team which he inherited. Players who were very capable of passing a football. We also had a bit of steel in the team also.
This team is in no way capable of playing the way DS is asking them to.
We need to play with a flat back 4 There is no justification in playing 3 centre backs against teams who play only one central striker. The vast majority of teams play that way in League 2 this season.
We desperately need another body in the middle of the park. We are constantly outnumbered in the middle with our 2 v 3
All this does is create a situation where we have no control on the game.
Our wing backs ( that’s a joke ) are stifled and rarely get forward to build meaningful attacks.
So some say we pay a 3-4-3 formation. We don’t, we play a 5-2-3 formation which becomes more often a 5-4-1 without the ball and with it it should be a 3-4-3 but rarely is because we don’t keep the ball long enough.
We should be playing a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the starting 11 with the players we have in our squad. That for me is standing out like a sore thumb.
Why DS can’t see it is one of the mysteries of the world. You don’t need coaching badges to see the obvious.
We could be very expansive and play 4-4-2 which becomes 4-2-4 when on the offensive.
That’s risky but we would be entertained and would see us score a lot more goals. Yes we would concede a few I suspect with this team.
Dickos this is league 2. Who do you think Copps and DS will sign in the summer that will be capable of playing his way. It is quite alarming that it seems Copps is allowing this to happen.
If our budget is 12th highest this summer then we will finish bottom 4 next season under this coach.
It could even be be worse than that. The unthinkable could be a reality.
He got rid of almost all them though,
He knew they couldn’t play how he wanted, and they proved they couldn’t hence why everyone was going mad about the football.
But he built his own squad and succeeded.
People saying you can’t get league two players playing football how he wants are just talking rubbish, to get to a level of league 2 you’ve got to be an outstanding footballer, not all footballers excell in what Danny wants but there are plenty of footballers at that level that can comfortably achieve it
Which of our players contracted for next season suit this system (if you can call it that)? I would say Olowu is the only one.
Close has the technique on the ball but is not physical enough to maintain intense pressing or win the ball back.
We can’t afford to tear up the entire squad.
Just Olowu then Dickos? That’s quite the rebuild with our budget.
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No, not just olowu
Anderson, Rowe, Maxwell, biggins, close, hurst, miller, molyneux,
Get 4/5 players that schofield wants around them and that’s when we can see.
Sod had mcgammon, Lockwood, oster players of that ilk who were proper journeymen but he transformed them playing them with players that suited how sod wanted to play.
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Schofield wants to play a 3-4-3 with players controlling possession and applying intense pressing off the ball. This requires players to be both technical and athletic enough.
Anderson - Not comfortable enough with the ball at his feet for this system.
Rowe - Love him but his legs have gone. Can’t play any major part in this system because of that.
Maxwell - I’ll give you that one.
Biggins - Not enough technical ability to control the midfield in a 2. For me, he only works as a 3rd midfielder to offer goal threat. Not physically outstanding either.
Close - Again his lack of pace, stamina and toughness mean he only works as a 3rd midfielder. DS’ formation has only 2 midfielders in there.
Hurst - Not ready to compete week in week out in the first XI but a talented player. Has regressed under Schofield. Dangerous on the counter.
Miller - Not a lone striker. Neither aerially good enough or technically good enough to hold the ball up. His style would also work well in a counter attack though. Or with runs in behind playing off a big man but he won’t change formation.
Molyneux - No particularly outstanding technical or physical qualities but has history as a goal threat. This hasn’t been tapped in to with this never-changing system. Gives the ball away too much to play possession football.
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We don’t know what system schofield wants to play once he’s got the players he wants. Maxwell said the other day that the plan is to play a different formation last season.
Anyhow you asked me a question and I gave my opinion
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We don’t know what system schofield wants to play once he’s got the players he wants. Maxwell said the other day that the plan is to play a different formation last season.
Anyhow you asked me a question and I gave my opinion
Sorry got carried away. I hope you’re right, I’ve tried to stay optimistic for 2 years now and it’s worn me down.
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We don’t know what system schofield wants to play once he’s got the players he wants. Maxwell said the other day that the plan is to play a different formation last season.
Anyhow you asked me a question and I gave my opinion
Why on earth would he persist with 343, despite us not remotely having the players, if that isn’t how he wants us to play long term. You’ve heard him talk it’s the process and nothing else. So it is this way until it works no matter what.
I agree on the general point that we should have a squad where 6 or so good signings make us decent. But the midfield needs a total overhaul to play 343. So with a pragmatic manager 5 or 6 signings would do it. With DS it’s close to 11 new players of a quality that’s not affordable.