An Honest Appraisal On Today

[tyke1962]

With us having a free weekend , the fact our Sales Manager is a mad Northampton fan and I contribute to this forum I thought I'd tune in to the ifollow coverage this afternoon .

First thing that struck me was the thousands of empty red seats , there hardly seemed to be anybody there , that's obviously a reflection on the season your having but none the less I was still pretty shocked to see the stadium as empty as it was .

I'm not going to go in to the two Northampton goals which won them the game , silly errors , it happens .

What I was looking for was to see signs that Rovers can come good next season , formation , tactics , players attitude and some method to the play , I take the point you were missing a number of key players but none the less the signs should still be there because I'm not going to concern myself with the result of the game to balance that out .

You really need a big presence at the back , a strong organising big character , takes the ball and the man , no nonsense whilst organising that back three .

Never once in the game saw Rovers switch the play , if an attack began down the left it never shifted until it broke down .

Got to move the opposition around , players have to do more and make the runs , the ball may not come but those runs have to be made .

Way way too easy to play against , you knew where Molyneux was the whole game and so did the Northampton defence for that matter .

Move around lad , ask a question , find those pockets of space , draw defenders where they don't want to go , be a nightmare .

There's ability in that lad but he's not getting used right .

But overall you were way way too static and predictable .

I'd like to see way more energy and intensity in that group , aggressive pressing and a real desire to win that ball back quickly with a higher tempo .

A bit more sweat on those hoops constructively done if you will .

Nowt that can't be put right in a summer in my opinion but for God's sake poping five yard nowt balls off all afternoon was driving me crazy never mind the Rovers faithful .

Move around the bloody pitch for God's sake .

[danumdon]

Thanks for your honest appraisal, its not rocket science that you have come to the same conclusion that many on here have,

Now if we can see it, you can see it, why the f**k cannot the HOF and coach see it, we don't expect the owners to see it, to busy watching rugby.

[jmt23]

Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.

The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!

We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.

[ScillyRover]

With us having a free weekend , the fact our Sales Manager is a mad Northampton fan and I contribute to this forum I thought I'd tune in to the ifollow coverage this afternoon .

First thing that struck me was the thousands of empty red seats , there hardly seemed to be anybody there , that's obviously a reflection on the season your having but none the less I was still pretty shocked to see the stadium as empty as it was .

I'm not going to go in to the two Northampton goals which won them the game , silly errors , it happens .

What I was looking for was to see signs that Rovers can come good next season , formation , tactics , players attitude and some method to the play , I take the point you were missing a number of key players but none the less the signs should still be there because I'm not going to concern myself with the result of the game to balance that out .

You really need a big presence at the back , a strong organising big character , takes the ball and the man , no nonsense whilst organising that back three .

Never once in the game saw Rovers switch the play , if an attack began down the left it never shifted until it broke down .

Got to move the opposition around , players have to do more and make the runs , the ball may not come but those runs have to be made .

Way way too easy to play against , you knew where Molyneux was the whole game and so did the Northampton defence for that matter .

Move around lad , ask a question , find those pockets of space , draw defenders where they don't want to go , be a nightmare .

There's ability in that lad but he's not getting used right .

But overall you were way way too static and predictable .

I'd like to see way more energy and intensity in that group , aggressive pressing and a real desire to win that ball back quickly with a higher tempo .

A bit more sweat on those hoops constructively done if you will .

Nowt that can't be put right in a summer in my opinion but for God's sake poping five yard nowt balls off all afternoon was driving me crazy never mind the Rovers faithful .

Move around the bloody pitch for God's sake .

Thanks for your observations Tyke but you are not telling us anymore than we already know. Those things have been apparent all season long.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Problem is that confidence goes and everyone looks shite. This is where you need to just dig results and performances out. Back to basics. Give yourself a chance of scoring and don’t give away stupid goals or take stupid risks.

DS shows no appetite to change meaning we just get worse as the confidence goes. Fair enough have a way you want to play but we have to look like a competent team to start that.

Didn’t go today but it sounds like same old story. We beat ourselves and the opposition don’t look great or have to do much and we offer zero threat to score or offer anything in entertainment.

Won’t be going for the rest of the season. I already know it’s rinse and repeat while DS is in charge so safe myself the grief

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Take the mistakes that led to the goals out of the equation and you have two equally sh*t teams. Most likely, the reason for the gap between the two teams is our ability to try to commit suicide more often.

As bad as this league is, if we could only do the basics better, we'd be in the play off places. The standard is very poor.

[tyke1962]

Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.

The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!

We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.

Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .

Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .

They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .

Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .

Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .

Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .

Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .

Huge gulf in class ?

Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .

In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .

What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .

That's not happening at Rovers .

[Padge_DRFC]

You think today was empty. Wait until next season with this idiot in charge

[Lesonthewest]

Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.

The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!

We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.

Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .

Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .

They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .

Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .

Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .

Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .

Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .

Huge gulf in class ?

Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .

In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .

What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .

That's not happening at Rovers .





Unbelievably Tyke, you actually witnessed a better performance than of late.

[Campsall rover]

Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.

The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!

We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.

Players come off more times than not these days because they are out of gas , run their race , this is especially significant with the offensive players .

Cole and Norwood are done on 60 minutes , Herbie Kane and Adam Philips on 70 .

They do so much constructive work they can't possibly last the 90 .

Look at City and Arsenal , never mind the talent watch the work rate to get that ball back when they lose it , look at the tempo , aggression and intensity in their play .

Your players could do another 90 minutes with a ten minute break at 5pm playing the game like that .

Absolutely no way are you having success today without three or four players completely done by 70 minutes and the bench used to keep that work rate going until the 95th .

Northampton weren't anything special by any means and yet they occupy the auto places .

Huge gulf in class ?

Absolutely not and I doubt their squad has better players than you have .

In fact probably 70% of the league have very little between them .

What separates them after Game 46 is a HC who gets the absolute max out of what he's got .

That's not happening at Rovers .

100% correct tyke. That post is as it is.  Even more so than your 1st post.

[Donnywolf]

I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened

Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )

[tyke1962]

I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened

Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )

Yep I happen to have purchased one of these quite remarkable bits of kit .

[Donnywolf]

 

[ravenrover]

Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated  the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated

[tyke1962]

Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated  the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated

Fair enough Raven .

[scawsby steve]

Tyke when it comes to commenting about the crowd on a camera view you are looking at the East stand which is always, now, sparsely populated  the West stand which you can"t see is the more heavily populated

The whole ground will be sparsely populated soon.

[drfchound]

Well said Tyke - lack of movement in the team for nearly 2 years now. Nobody moves! If we pass the ball that player thinks “ job done” no movement to get it back and play again.

The defence get the ball, and have to pass side to side, there is no one trying to find space, so we end up with a hopeful punt up the field - nothing wrong with going long by the way, but put it in an area we can try to win- percentages!

We are the easiest team to mark in the world right now.

Joe Olowu is the one player who makes a pass then moves to make an angle for a return ball if he is needed.
If he was playing up front he would be very difficult to mark.

[tyke1962]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

[Campsall rover]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.

[tyke1962]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.

At this level you can't die on an ideological hill as a HC or manager you have to be pragmatic .

There's much made of Evans in the lower leagues , he's not a success everywhere but he's successful enough because he knows the level of football he operates within inside out .

The same with Coleman at Accrington , it's an unbelievable achievement every time Stanley survive another league one season paying players £800 pw .

Now looking at this from the other side of Goldthorpe , Rovers are one of the biggest clubs in the league , there's enough brand here to attract players , at this level it's seen as one of the club's .

This HC is sucking the life out of you and he'll end up giving you an inferiority complex if things are allowed to continue .

This is exactly what's happened at Bradford City .

I used to dread playing you lot when you were coming up the league's under Ryan , hated the game .

That's what you need to get back to mate .

[RugbyRover]

I take it Tyke you have a stick as you watched rather than listened

Unless you are out of Country (in Grimethorpe for example )

It was on Ifollow for a tenner because of the international break. Apart from the howlers it was better than recent games, it must have been because I made it through to the end.

[dickos1]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.

I find all this personal name calling of schofield absolutely ridiculous.
The bloke is doing his best whether you think that’s good enough or not there’s no reason to start calling him a deluded idiot

[sedwardsdrfc]

Maybe name calling is harsh.

But don’t say he’s doing his best. He’s tried one thing and repeatedly failed at it. That’s not his best. If he can’t see a change is needed maybe the description of idiot isn’t name calling but factual…

[dickos1]

Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,

[Cramby10]

Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,

then why f**king play this way then if that’s the case. For this alone the bloody halfwit needs sacking!!

[danumdon]

Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,

Nothing like stating the obvious but everyone and i mean uncle Tom Cobly and all have reached the conclusion that he does not have the players to effect his principles, even he himself has alluded to this. So as a head coach why is he still persisting with this failed procedure?

[Bessie Red]

Of course he’s doing his best, he’s not losing games on purpose.
It’s what he believes in and maybe we don’t have the players to carry out what he believes in,

A decent, knowledgeable & experienced manager though would assess what he's got and devise a system that suits the players at his disposal. Then when he gets his players in who he knows can play his preferred style that's when he plays it.
I said on another thread was DS not asked in his interview how he would use the players at his disposal until such time he had his own players in. He appears to be shooting himself in the foot by insisting on sticking to his style of play and not adapting to suit the players at his disposal.

[Bessie Red]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

100% correct Tyke.
The man’s a deluded idiot. He seriously is because anyone worth his salt would see what we can all see.

I find all this personal name calling of schofield absolutely ridiculous.
The bloke is doing his best whether you think that’s good enough or not there’s no reason to start calling him a deluded idiot

But his actions look like he is a deluded idiot, as Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

[Canadian Rover]

I tried to look at the game today not in this season's terms because that's gone now but in a manner that pointed to a better future .

You haven't got poor players by any means it's just that they are struggling with the way the HC wants them to play .

The game they are asked to play needn't be as complicated as the HC is making it for them .

Lower league players need the game to be as easy for them to negotiate as it can be because they have limitations .

PL players are more flexible with tactics and formations because they have a greater skill set and so have more depth to their game .

What I find surprising is that lower league players have a natural appetite for hard work , commitment and desire probably far greater than a PL player who probably thinks his enhanced ability is enough .

So why DS doesn't use that natural attribute his group of players have to better effect is pretty mystifying in my opinion .

I'm not saying the Rovers squad is lazy and uninterested or anything like that because that's not what I saw today .

It's just it's seems they are kept on a leash with that incessant tippy tappy football that inevitably leads them down blind alleys once they eventually get the ball in the final third .

It frustrated me so God's knows how you lads feel .

Tyke yesterday's game was one of better more entertaining performances this season. The others have been horrific.

And for a club that is so commercially viable the fact the east stand is so empty does speak volumes, or more appropriately silence

[ravenrover]

Are you sure you were watching yesterdays game CR not a replay of the away fixture?
Yesterday was absolute pants