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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: oggycompton on April 06, 2023, 02:01:40 pm
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Title. We all want to believe it's true, we all want to have faith but just cast your mind back over the last 5 years as to the noises coming out of the club and then the actions that followed. light and day.
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Bounce back decisively
Top half budget
Mid table budget.
Snake oil salesmen to stop the growing apathy and noises from an extremely disgruntled fanbase clearly startled at the appalling season ticket sales.
If what he said was true, why not invest in January when we were close to getting back to where he wants to be in two years' time this season?
Also, it reads as Schofield will be here to stay. Think back to the performances you've witnessed this season and just the abhorrent negative football you have witnessed with 40 yards between midfield and forwards. Do you believe that Schofield armed with a war chest can use them correctly? Can Coppinger and the staff find the players to fit this target? Evidence in recent years suggests no.
Be very careful, and don't get sucked in, we've had years of this now.
Actions...words
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Had they announced this news coupled with dull Danny receiving his P45 then maybe, just maybe they may have won a whole lot more fans over. Sadly, the prospect of facing another season with our utterly hapless leader gives me shivers down my spine and will not persuade me the buy a ST again. The stadium will still be empty.
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Had they announced this news coupled with dull Danny receiving his P45 then maybe, just maybe they may have won a whole lot more fans over. Sadly, the prospect of facing another season with our utterly hapless leader gives me shivers down my spine and will not persuade me the buy a ST again. The stadium will still be empty.
I agree
Just don’t trust DS with whatever budget he gets. He is tactically incompetent from what we have seen.
Will he change?
He said he is sticking to philosophy did he not. So what will change.
Listened to talk Sport this morning. Alan Brazil and Dean Saunders were going crackers about Premier League teams playing out from the back.
So that says it all does it not.
We have a coach who thinks Mitchell, Anderson, Olowu, Nelson, Faulkner Rowe and Long can do what premier league players are having great difficulty doing.
They both said the objective of the game i to get the ball into the oppositions penalty area and create chances to score goals.
Alan & Dean please pin that up on the wall of DS’s office in bold luminous red letters. :that:
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Can’t understand why they would release this statement now about next season’s budget, seems to me they are trying to boost dwindling season ticket sales
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No change and improvement between now and the end of the season he is gone, anyone want a bet for charity?
He is being given a chance, he needs to take it and show more than he has done up to now both tactically and practically, and a bit more personality from him and his assistant wouldn't go amiss.
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I don’t recall brammal ever coming out like this, Baldwin and blunt maybe but seems different coming from him.
Seems it’s his own decision
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No change and improvement between now and the end of the season he is gone, anyone want a bet for charity?
He is being given a chance, he needs to take it and show more than he has done up to now both tactically and practically, and a bit more personality from him and his assistant wouldn't go amiss.
god I hope you’re right.
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I can see both sides of this.
The board have made a rod for their own back making statements like this before, after which the desired outcomes have failed to be delivered. I'm not of the mind that these have been "lies" but I do think that processes/personnel haven't been in place to make the most of those resources, and decision making has been extremely poor leading to these resources being, in most instances, wasted.
I can see why people are now inclined to treat these things with scepticism and not suddenly believe that everything is going to be OK, when such proclamations have been made before - "significant funds" in January 2022 which was largely spent on dross, "resources to bounce back decisively" in summer 2022 prior to the club's lowest finish in 20 years.
However, if Terry has come to the conclusion that the previous strategy isn't working and he needs to take the bull by the horns to get the club back to a footballing level he deems acceptable, then fair play to him. I doubt it's an easy decision to commit funds to the club in this way and completely change tack, especially when he's receiving abuse off people either way.
I sincerely hope that this is the beginning of a more positive and forward-thinking period, and that the extra funds committed are matched up with a willingness to do things differently and put better processes in place on the football operations side. Change is needed in the execution, not just the funding.
The announcement today does raise some questions though:
1) Why the sudden 180 from TB and the board?
2) Where does this leave the strategy of "sustainability" and what view is now taken on the arguments in favour of this strategy previously?
3) What does the plan look like beyond aiming for promotion from L2?
4) What, if any, changes are being made to personnel, processes and decisions? Or is it just a case of extra funding.
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It’s a welcome intervention from TB, but nowhere in that statement is there any acknowledgement that something is still badly wrong at the Club.
Without that realisation, where do you begin to put things right? Does TB think the only thing that has been wrong is a lack of funds then, I think he’s in for a shock.
Some very good points have been made by quite a few posters, listing all kind of things and there hasn’t been a single reference to supporter’s concerns. Not one.
I sincerely hope over the coming days and weeks, we get a bit more depth added to what, seemingly, is a positive opening statement from TB.
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It seems obvious to me that the owners now accept that the problems are a result of the teams underfunding.
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It seems obvious to me that the owners now accept that the problems are a result of the teams underfunding.
But it’s a lot more than that in reality BB
You need a coach who is competent. Most of all you need a Manager.
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To be fair the club has made a statement to the fans, which is what we wanted. I'm willing to give the club until August and see what happens, if the board has backed Schofield and the football and results are still crap, then they need to show intent by getting someone decent in.
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I don’t recall brammal ever coming out like this, Baldwin and blunt maybe but seems different coming from him.
Seems it’s his own decision
Is his statement as much to do with the present state of the club as his own status in it . He has seldom made efforts to reassure the supporters with anything to with the clubs finances and his timing is clearly meant to send a message that he is listening .
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I don’t recall brammal ever coming out like this, Baldwin and blunt maybe but seems different coming from him.
Seems it’s his own decision
Is his statement as much to do with the present state of the club as his own status in it . He has seldom made efforts to reassure the supporters with anything to with the clubs finances and his timing is clearly meant to send a message that he is listening .
Surely if he was listening, he would sack DS, after all the majority of fans on here want that
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That decision may still happen .
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No change and improvement between now and the end of the season he is gone, anyone want a bet for charity?
He is being given a chance, he needs to take it and show more than he has done up to now both tactically and practically, and a bit more personality from him and his assistant wouldn't go amiss.
I think your spot on Selby & I agree. I believe TB has set DS a test ie. prove you are capable between now and the end of the season & I will let you spend. If you fail, the money I am willing to invest will be given to a new manager.
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I don’t recall brammal ever coming out like this, Baldwin and blunt maybe but seems different coming from him.
Seems it’s his own decision
Is his statement as much to do with the present state of the club as his own status in it . He has seldom made efforts to reassure the supporters with anything to with the clubs finances and his timing is clearly meant to send a message that he is listening .
Surely if he was listening, he would sack DS, after all the majority of fans on here want that
Then it proves he's capable of making his own decisions if he thought the head coaches job is a popularity contest.
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
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I can see both sides of this.
The board have made a rod for their own back making statements like this before, after which the desired outcomes have failed to be delivered. I'm not of the mind that these have been "lies" but I do think that processes/personnel haven't been in place to make the most of those resources, and decision making has been extremely poor leading to these resources being, in most instances, wasted.
I can see why people are now inclined to treat these things with scepticism and not suddenly believe that everything is going to be OK, when such proclamations have been made before - "significant funds" in January 2022 which was largely spent on dross, "resources to bounce back decisively" in summer 2022 prior to the club's lowest finish in 20 years.
However, if Terry has come to the conclusion that the previous strategy isn't working and he needs to take the bull by the horns to get the club back to a footballing level he deems acceptable, then fair play to him. I doubt it's an easy decision to commit funds to the club in this way and completely change tack, especially when he's receiving abuse off people either way.
I sincerely hope that this is the beginning of a more positive and forward-thinking period, and that the extra funds committed are matched up with a willingness to do things differently and put better processes in place on the football operations side. Change is needed in the execution, not just the funding.
The announcement today does raise some questions though:
1) Why the sudden 180 from TB and the board?
2) Where does this leave the strategy of "sustainability" and what view is now taken on the arguments in favour of this strategy previously?
3) What does the plan look like beyond aiming for promotion from L2?
4) What, if any, changes are being made to personnel, processes and decisions? Or is it just a case of extra funding.
A very sensible post. I'm very critical but with caution I do welcome this statement from the only man who can make a significant investment and difference. Let's see how it plays out. Timing wise might also explain why Big Brother pulled my post last night.
Irrespective Blunt needs to go ASAP
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I liken today's statement referring to DS as akin to the dreaded vote of Confidence
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
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No change and improvement between now and the end of the season he is gone, anyone want a bet for charity?
He is being given a chance, he needs to take it and show more than he has done up to now both tactically and practically, and a bit more personality from him and his assistant wouldn't go amiss.
I think your spot on Selby & I agree. I believe TB has set DS a test ie. prove you are capable between now and the end of the season & I will let you spend. If you fail, the money I am willing to invest will be given to a new manager.
What are the next 7 games going to show us though. The pressure is off isn’t it. We are going to finish between 9th at best & 20th at worst. We only play 1 team above us in the table in those 7 games.
The players might go out & play with freedom and win say 5 of the games and possibly not lose any.
Does that suddenly make DS the right coach to lead us into next season.
We need a complete re set on style and substance. Tactical acumen and results. Can that be delivered.
Will DS change from his preferred football philosophy. Is he capable of doing that?
Has he already lost the players belief? Have they stopped listening to him? Do they believe in him?
Has the confidence been drained to such an extent positive performances are now impossible?
With the injuries we have now do we have enough on the pitch to start winning football matches?
Lots of questions there.
Personally I think the seasons gone. Yes as I have said previously we want momentum at the end of the season but unless DS is prepared or able to re invent himself as a very different coach to the one we have seen since late October then what’s the point of keeping him just till the inevitable happens in another 6 months time.
Change needed Now. Let Greeny take over as temporary head coach for the last 7 games.
Pro active in recruiting an experienced manager, that should imo start immediately.
If Blunt has any idea about football and has any empathy towards what a huge majority of the fan base want then he would act on it and be the Chairman that presumably TB wanted when he appointed him.
One who can make decisive decisions for the benefit of the football club.
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
Another ridiculous post that completely misses the point. WE have an opinion, because WE provide the revenue that keeps the club going.
Without US, there is no f*cking club.
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
So all football fans are blind as bats.
We have just been imagining what we have been served up for the last 26 months.
It never really happened did it.
We don’t have to have Football coaching qualifications to see that DS has been telling his players to play a style of football that they are not only uncomfortable playing but actually incapable of playing.
Premier League Players are struggling to play this way.
We are in League 2. We don’t have players capable. Yet this coach persists with it after over 30 games in charge.
Dickos I don’t understand you at all. What is your agenda. Do you seriously think we have nothing or very little to moan about after watching this dross.
Are you enjoying this style of so called football. Do you think a 10 yr old football nut should be so bored to tears watching Rovers he doesn’t want to go anymore Is that ok. They are the future supporters.
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I think people are reading far too much into the pro Schofield element of the statement and I would not be surprised if he gets the heave ho soon anyway. But saying so in a public statement would only undermine morale and performances further, thats why such things are rarely said. Watching the match last week made me realise just how poor our squad is in the skills department, not one of our players displayed any sort of first touch mastery, there was no Tomlin - like wizard who could leave a defender wondering what just happened and no vsionary passer of the ball, in fact the quality of passing was Sunday league. So I am not sure how a new coach would be able to make much difference and the majority of this forum would soon be screaming for his head after a run of defeats just the same. Having said that the addition of 3 or 4 more talented players could transforn this squad and lift the overall performances exponentially. Remember the fans wanted Alex Ferguson sacked in his first season at Man U. Just look at it this way, if Tomlin had played for us all season and we had a John Marquis and a Ben Whiteman in the side would we be still heading down the toilet ?
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
Wow were do you get your info from? That’s so utter rubbish, how many games has this man won? You have been fooled by the biggest Publicity stunt the club as made in years, get real
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
Wow were do you get your info from? That’s so utter rubbish, how many games has this man won? You have been fooled by the biggest Publicity stunt the club as made in years, get real
What info?
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
Another ridiculous post that completely misses the point. WE have an opinion, because WE provide the revenue that keeps the club going.
Without US, there is no f*cking club.
Where did I say football supporters can’t have an opinion? I just said I value the opinion of someone like schofield than a bloke who’s never played the game
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
So all football fans are blind as bats.
We have just been imagining what we have been served up for the last 26 months.
It never really happened did it.
We don’t have to have Football coaching qualifications to see that DS has been telling his players to play a style of football that they are not only uncomfortable playing but actually incapable of playing.
Premier League Players are struggling to play this way.
We are in League 2. We don’t have players capable. Yet this coach persists with it after over 30 games in charge.
Dickos I don’t understand you at all. What is your agenda. Do you seriously think we have nothing or very little to moan about after watching this dross.
Are you enjoying this style of so called football. Do you think a 10 yr old football nut should be so bored to tears watching Rovers he doesn’t want to go anymore Is that ok. They are the future supporters.
It’s not me with the agenda I’m afraid.
As SM eluded to earlier you seem to have lost the plot recently.
The last 10 games have been dreadful but before that you were defending schofield but now he’s the worst thing ever to happen to the club. Crazy really.
The guy hasn’t signed his players yet, maybe he should’ve adapted the style until he does but that doesn’t mean he’s clueless.
For me I’m excited to see where he takes us with his one players and a summer coaching them.
You may not agree, that’s fine but you seem to have this attitude with every manager we have, you’ve been trying to be more positive I’ve noticed but have now reverted to your default position.
As for the ten year old I’m really not surprised he’s bored if he has to listen to what you’re forcing on him all the time.
My 9 year old is still excited for every game and he’s absolutely buzzing regarding yesterdays announcement, and we live 40 miles away with no other doncaster fans around, he loves taking his mates from here to games and showing them his club.
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
So all football fans are blind as bats.
We have just been imagining what we have been served up for the last 26 months.
It never really happened did it.
We don’t have to have Football coaching qualifications to see that DS has been telling his players to play a style of football that they are not only uncomfortable playing but actually incapable of playing.
Premier League Players are struggling to play this way.
We are in League 2. We don’t have players capable. Yet this coach persists with it after over 30 games in charge.
Dickos I don’t understand you at all. What is your agenda. Do you seriously think we have nothing or very little to moan about after watching this dross.
Are you enjoying this style of so called football. Do you think a 10 yr old football nut should be so bored to tears watching Rovers he doesn’t want to go anymore Is that ok. They are the future supporters.
It’s not me with the agenda I’m afraid.
As SM eluded to earlier you seem to have lost the plot recently.
The last 10 games have been dreadful but before that you were defending schofield but now he’s the worst thing ever to happen to the club. Crazy really.
The guy hasn’t signed his players yet, maybe he should’ve adapted the style until he does but that doesn’t mean he’s clueless.
For me I’m excited to see where he takes us with his one players and a summer coaching them.
You may not agree, that’s fine but you seem to have this attitude with every manager we have, you’ve been trying to be more positive I’ve noticed but have now reverted to your default position.
As for the ten year old I’m really not surprised he’s bored if he has to listen to what you’re forcing on him all the time.
My 9 year old is still excited for every game and he’s absolutely buzzing regarding yesterdays announcement, and we live 40 miles away with no other doncaster fans around, he loves taking his mates from here to games and showing them his club.
You ask my grandson just how positive I am before every game.
Don’t come out with that clap trap dickos.
Do you think I travel to Crawley on a Tues because I am looking forward to a return journey which will be utterly miserable. No I go in the hope of 3 points and some entertainment.
Yes I backed DS right up to the last 6 weeks because we still had an outside chance of the play offs.
Was I convinced about the football being played. NO. Was I entertained. NO.
The performances have disintegrated completely over the last few games. DS has lost the players. The confidence has been drained from them. That’s obvious.
So if your ok with all that then good on you, but don’t criticise me and others for for being unhappy with this coach and wanting him out.
I travel all over the country supporting my football team. We deserve better than this dross we have been watching under this coach.
It has been appalling. The entertainment value is barely 1 out.of 10.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
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I think people are reading far too much into the pro Schofield element of the statement and I would not be surprised if he gets the heave ho soon anyway. But saying so in a public statement would only undermine morale and performances further, thats why such things are rarely said. Watching the match last week made me realise just how poor our squad is in the skills department, not one of our players displayed any sort of first touch mastery, there was no Tomlin - like wizard who could leave a defender wondering what just happened and no vsionary passer of the ball, in fact the quality of passing was Sunday league. So I am not sure how a new coach would be able to make much difference and the majority of this forum would soon be screaming for his head after a run of defeats just the same. Having said that the addition of 3 or 4 more talented players could transforn this squad and lift the overall performances exponentially. Remember the fans wanted Alex Ferguson sacked in his first season at Man U. Just look at it this way, if Tomlin had played for us all season and we had a John Marquis and a Ben Whiteman in the side would we be still heading down the toilet ?
I agree and saw the statement re DS was like the old dreaded "vote of confidence" which rarely ends well for the person it is directed at.
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Don’t rise to it CR. The football has been deplorable for his entire tenure barring probably 3 matches. And the law of averages would suggest that those must have been in spite of DS and not because of.
This guy dickos thought Dickov was the messiah back in the day so his opinion should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
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To be fair Dickos has stood by most of our recent managers, at least he is prepared to give them a chance.
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To be fair Dickos has stood by most of our recent managers, at least he is prepared to give them a chance.
We all do, but we also know when it’s not and won’t work, maybe sooner than some
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Can’t understand why they would release this statement now about next season’s budget, seems to me they are trying to boost dwindling season ticket sales
Boost ST sales?
Well lets put that one to bed. If you look at DRFC accounts you will see that ST sales make up about 5% of total Club Doncaster revenue. If you look at it that way you can see how successful CD has been to DRFC.
Season tickets are vital for the club, but TB wouldn't be making a statement such as he made yesterday if his only aim was to bolster ST sales, or cover the revenue loss. His statement was much more profound than that.
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Don’t rise to it CR. The football has been deplorable for his entire tenure barring probably 3 matches. And the law of averages would suggest that those must have been in spite of DS and not because of.
This guy dickos thought Dickov was the messiah back in the day so his opinion should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Certainly didn’t, just didn’t think he should’ve been sacked after relegation from the championship.
On the contrary it’s the same old folk such as yourself that want manager after manager after manager sacked.
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Only 3 managers in my time of watching have I passionately wanted sacking and they all proved to be hopeless frauds. You can spot em a mile off. Wignall, Dickov and Schofield. Other poor managers like Butler and Mcsheffrey I just felt sorry for.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
Have to agree that JC bears some culpability in all this.
However, I'm also wondering whether the Board are culpable of some unconscious bias in their HoF/Manager appointments since McCann:
Moore - former player
Butler - player
Wellens - former player
McSheffrey - youth team coach/former player
Schofield - Donny lad
Coppinger - former player
Maybe it's time to appoint someone with no previous links to the club or area who can bring a proper external perspective together with a track record of managerial achievement.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
Have to agree that JC bears some culpability in all this.
However, I'm also wondering whether the Board are culpable of some unconscious bias in their HoF/Manager appointments since McCann:
Moore - former player
Butler - player
Wellens - former player
McSheffrey - youth team coach/former player
Schofield - Donny lad
Coppinger - former player
Maybe it's time to appoint someone with no previous links to the club or area who can bring a proper external perspective together with a track record of managerial achievement.
I can agree with some of that, but not all.
Moore was never a player when this Board have been in control of this club. None of them knew him at all, and it could also be said that he was a successful appointment in some ways.
Butler was only ever a temporary appointment, a position the club were forced into, in some ways, because of the rapid departure of DM
I still don't understand the appointment of RW, I said at the time I didn't think he'd even get an interview, how wrong was I.
McSheffrey, yep, have to agree.
Schofiled, a Donny lad maybe but that had no bearing on his appointment.
Coppinger, I think the juries still out on that one.
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Come off it SM, I'd wager that at some point in the recruitment process either a member of the Board (not all I grant you) or the individual in question will have mentioned that they bring an integral understanding/knowledge of the club or the area.
If not unconscious bias then maybe sub-conscious bias.
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It’s strange, SM, that you didn’t understand the appointment of RW, yet the same guy is sitting pretty at the top of L2. Perhaps there were other problems within the Club (which the latest announcement has supported) that restricted what RW could do? Don’t forget, he was faced with a major re-build!
Water under the bridge now, but it’s taken 2 more manager appointments for the penny to drop.
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'the focus of our approach has been to run the club more sustainably - a process accelerated following the Covid-19 pandemic'. So whilst the statement and intent for future much needed investment from TB is welcomed, one thing is confirmed from the statement yesterday, we have been in a self inflicted strategy of Austerity for 3 seasons!
There are many on here who have for over two years argued otherwise, during transfer windows, transfer deadline days, arguments about the budget, quality of the squad, blaming it on the manager, blaming it on poor manager recruitment (which has also been evident i hasten to add) but it is clear now, that we have what can only be described as a strategy of Austerity called 'Sustainability' since the Covid pandemic started. I mentioned a few weeks ago that myself and a fellow supporter said at the time of the pandemic this was the perfect excuse for our board to reign in any ambitions of promotion (to the Championship i add). And so it comes to pass, and has been confirmed, so for all you happy clappers who've been defending the indefensible for the last two to three years whilst others have argued there has been deminishing investment and a lack of quality due to the playing budget, well it was confirmed yesterday, we've been living in a post Covid period of Board Austerity. No more spin, no more conjecture. FACT.
Blunt out. Time to get a Rovers fan back in as Chairman with passion and true love for the club who does understand football and has a honours board to support it (i.e. JR back).
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Can’t understand why they would release this statement now about next season’s budget, seems to me they are trying to boost dwindling season ticket sales
Boost ST sales?
Well lets put that one to bed. If you look at DRFC accounts you will see that ST sales make up about 5% of total Club Doncaster revenue. If you look at it that way you can see how successful CD has been to DRFC.
Season tickets are vital for the club, but TB wouldn't be making a statement such as he made yesterday if his only aim was to bolster ST sales, or cover the revenue loss. His statement was much more profound than that.
Is that correct SM 5%? I’m not into looking at Club Doncaster’s accounts, but if season tickets account for 5% then the overall revenue must be 30 million or there about
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I think JR’s time has been and gone, DEiY. The pre-experiment JR was a breath of fresh air when compared with the current Chairman, but I don’t think TB is going to be removing him anytime soon.
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It’s strange, SM, that you didn’t understand the appointment of RW, yet the same guy is sitting pretty at the top of L2. Perhaps there were other problems within the Club (which the latest announcement has supported) that restricted what RW could do? Don’t forget, he was faced with a major re-build!
Water under the bridge now, but it’s taken 2 more manager appointments for the penny to drop.
Alan that was the whole point of appointing him build a team from scratch on a limited budget which he failed magnificently to do blew most of it on 4 players, left shopping in bargain basement
Goes to Swindon settled team goes to Orient settled team does the penny drop?
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So, go on then, tell me what budget was available to him for a major re-build. We know now, following TB’s announcement, that there’s been insufficient funds gone into the playing budget. Not all RW’s fault, imho.
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I think JR’s time has been and gone, DEiY. The pre-experiment JR was a breath of fresh air when compared with the current Chairman, but I don’t think TB is going to be removing him anytime soon.
Maybe so i would take him in the short term, the positve vibe would be terrific and season ticket sales would be great too but longer term I accept we do need a younger model , a true Rovers fan who is outwouldly passionate and charismatic that can lead the club and the fans can truly believe in and leads to success on the pitch where it matters most.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
Have to agree that JC bears some culpability in all this.
However, I'm also wondering whether the Board are culpable of some unconscious bias in their HoF/Manager appointments since McCann:
Moore - former player
Butler - player
Wellens - former player
McSheffrey - youth team coach/former player
Schofield - Donny lad
Coppinger - former player
Maybe it's time to appoint someone with no previous links to the club or area who can bring a proper external perspective together with a track record of managerial achievement.
Wasn’t Ferguson a former player and bigger loss to the club than most of the aforementioned ?
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I think it fairest to say that the jury is out on him and he should from the 90th minute of the final game be looked at with a fresh pair of eyes given the restrictions he has had to date and his ability to have a proper window and resources.
However, it’s also fair to say that he has shown absolutely nothing to date to suggest he can be anything like a success. The football started off just about ok and very rapidly deteriorated in both quality and results. Every single player has got worse under his tenure, with maybe the exception of Nelson, a loan player. Terrible football, terrible results and terrible record of tactical and player development.
Mitigating factors maybe, but he really needs to be working overtime this summer on recruitment and tactics because what we have seen so far has been an abject failure.
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The day the important folk inside football clubs start listening to supporters regarding such matters as who should be the manager is the day football is over
Really? So what happens when the stadium is empty because the fans have realised how clueless the manager is?
Most football supporters don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
Danny has been a professional footballer for 15 years, and a top level coach for 5 years
Yet people who’ve never played the game think they have the knowledge to tell the board to sack him..
Crackers
It is about what the result of that coaching is and it is terrible.
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So, go on then, tell me what budget was available to him for a major re-build. We know now, following TB’s announcement, that there’s been insufficient funds gone into the playing budget. Not all RW’s fault, imho.
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You know as well as me that we don't know the budget exceot that it was limited.
What we do know is that he had nothing left after splashing it all on those few players. My point is he's done well managing 2 settled teams, he didn't have a settled team at Rovers and wasn't up to the challenge.
Was it a case of please sir I want some more?
MORE! MORE! not a chance
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
How come DS had no cash available in January? We'd lost Tomlin, Knoyle and Clayton's wages, got a small fee for Knoyle, and lost of couple of pointless loans. Added to the funds we were told were held back specifically for January, how did DS end up with nothing to spend?
Our attitude to the January window, considering we were just outside the playoffs, lost several players and had a new manager and style of play to support, is simply baffling. If those at the top believed in DS and his process, why did they show him the least amount of support in that window that any manager in our recent history has had? Particularly when a playoff spot was still massively achievable?
This isn't an attack on you SM, I appreciate the insight you provide us on here, but I just wonder if you've asked that question? And what the response was?
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It’s strange, SM, that you didn’t understand the appointment of RW, yet the same guy is sitting pretty at the top of L2. Perhaps there were other problems within the Club (which the latest announcement has supported) that restricted what RW could do? Don’t forget, he was faced with a major re-build!
Water under the bridge now, but it’s taken 2 more manager appointments for the penny to drop.
No it's not strange, I wasn't referring to him and his qualities as a manager, just that his personality wouldn't suit.
The fact he's gone on to other success is irrelevant.
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Come off it SM, I'd wager that at some point in the recruitment process either a member of the Board (not all I grant you) or the individual in question will have mentioned that they bring an integral understanding/knowledge of the club or the area.
If not unconscious bias then maybe sub-conscious bias.
What do you mean come of it? I'm entitled to a personal opinion aren't I?
If we're relying on sub conscious bias to prove your point then I would suggest its a bit of a flimsy argument you've got there. The game of football isn't that big that you could 100% rule out anybody with some kind of connection to your club, look at the managers in the EPL for instance!
Grant McCann and DF and their connections with Peterborough is another, the list is endless.
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I agree over the last few weeks he’s lost many of his senior players, but he’s lost them to injuries.
No way has he lost their confidence, Anderson, hurst, olowu, would have gone elsewhere if they thought Danny was everything you’re portraying him to be.
Other players are also praising him which goes back to my point that I’d much rather take the view from people experiencing everything day in day out what Danny is all about rather than supporters who just jump to conclusions and have no real Understanding of what’s going off inside the club
I'm no fan of the football we've seen over the last few months.
But in defence of DS then dickos is right in that a) he inherited the squad when he accepted the role, b) he had a very tight January window with no cash available to bolster the squad, c) his experienced players have mostly fallen victim to injury.
Given that then it could well be argued that he deserves a summer window with a decent budget to show us what he can do. He has a very strong reputation within the football community for his work as a development coach, a description he referenced several times when he gave his presentation at the MTO. In addition I heard JC telling us that he was a coach that put the hours and commitment into the role unlike any other, something GB has also told me.
In that respect shouldn't our focus be on JC bearing in mind that he's been overseeing at least two transfer windows? DS carrying the can for something he hasn't had a part in seems tough to me.
How come DS had no cash available in January? We'd lost Tomlin, Knoyle and Clayton's wages, got a small fee for Knoyle, and lost of couple of pointless loans. Added to the funds we were told were held back specifically for January, how did DS end up with nothing to spend?
Our attitude to the January window, considering we were just outside the playoffs, lost several players and had a new manager and style of play to support, is simply baffling. If those at the top believed in DS and his process, why did they show him the least amount of support in that window that any manager in our recent history has had? Particularly when a playoff spot was still massively achievable?
This isn't an attack on you SM, I appreciate the insight you provide us on here, but I just wonder if you've asked that question? And what the response was?
My understanding is that it was a bit of both, a lack of players that were available in the areas we needed and a reluctance to invest in those players that didn't meet the standard. A change in the financial demands of the club didn't help and, as I've pointed out earlier our budget suffered accordingly. We went from a decent budget at the start of the season to one that ended up about 10th.
That's why I have some sympathy with DS.
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So, go on then, tell me what budget was available to him for a major re-build. We know now, following TB’s announcement, that there’s been insufficient funds gone into the playing budget. Not all RW’s fault, imho.
Not all RW's fault, but he had a major hand in it.
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Come off it SM, I'd wager that at some point in the recruitment process either a member of the Board (not all I grant you) or the individual in question will have mentioned that they bring an integral understanding/knowledge of the club or the area.
If not unconscious bias then maybe sub-conscious bias.
What do you mean come of it? I'm entitled to a personal opinion aren't I?
If we're relying on sub conscious bias to prove your point then I would suggest its a bit of a flimsy argument you've got there. The game of football isn't that big that you could 100% rule out anybody with some kind of connection to your club, look at the managers in the EPL for instance!
Grant McCann and DF and their connections with Peterborough is another, the list is endless.
Of course you are SM and sorry if I've come across as unduly provocative; not the intention.
Perhaps there's a wider point in that, since TB assumed sole ownership, there do seem to have been some commonalities of approach on the footballing side that have coincided with the vicious spiral that the club now seems to be in; e.g. the appointment of inexperienced personnel, unduly lengthy recruitment processes, a lack of leadership both on and off the pitch, a nod to historical associations with the club. It feels like an element of groupthink has been allowed to take hold.
I've written elsewhere that I don't know what the answer is but a suggested starting point would be for TB to try and break this cycle by widening his circle of trusted advisors and consulting beyond the current 'inner sanctum'.
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We talk about a good budget for next season, what calibre of players are we going to attract? Because no one decent players will want to come
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Of course they will
Teams always have bad seasons followed by good seasons. Players don’t sign because of the past.
Look at orient, Stevenage just two examples from this season
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We talk about a good budget for next season, what calibre of players are we going to attract? Because no one decent players will want to come
You really are utterly desperate to maintain a negative view on anything we do. I can't understand what you're actually gaining from continuing to support DRFC, if you can only see the negative in everything they do. What is the point?
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We talk about a good budget for next season, what calibre of players are we going to attract? Because no one decent players will want to come
Bet the Gillingham fans thought exactly the same before January. They were in a worst shit show than us before they decided to throw money st it.
It's league 2 and anyone below the championship will come for the right price.
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It’s strange, SM, that you didn’t understand the appointment of RW, yet the same guy is sitting pretty at the top of L2. Perhaps there were other problems within the Club (which the latest announcement has supported) that restricted what RW could do? Don’t forget, he was faced with a major re-build!
Water under the bridge now, but it’s taken 2 more manager appointments for the penny to drop.
The trouble is Alan the Penny hasn’t dropped.
DS is still in this job.
What does he have to do to get sacked. Will he be sacked if we do not win any of of our remaining games?
Penny drop!!! The blo.dy red light is flashing.
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
Absolutely. Some of our so called supporters don’t deserve an owner like Terry.
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
We are not moaning about TB saying he is increasing funds available for recruitment DR
Don’t think anyone is doing that. We are all very grateful to him.
We just don’t want to see it poured down a black hole.
The problem is he has got a Chairman and a HoF who are going waste this money on players that DS thinks will suit his master plan ( process ) problem his plan and way of playing is totally flawed.
With this coach most of us think that’s what will happen. A waste of budget & another wasted season.
One that could even cost us our Football League Status.
DS has showed his complete lack of flexibility, tactical acumen and shown total zero knowledge of what’s required to be successful in this league.
Irrespective of the short comings in the squad and there are some of course there is no excuse for the utter tripe served up since he took over.
Ave 2 shots on target per game the last 20 games someone said the other day.
Now sorry that’s not acceptable.
Rochdale are bottom and they have far more attacking prowess than us. Far more.
Our goals scored column is a disgrace. If you don’t create, if you don’t get the ball in the box if you dont get bodies in the box you don’t score. We do none of those. I always thought the purpose of the game was to score goals.
Scofield ball will drive the fans into their armchairs or even into other football grounds. The generation age 7-18 will support a Premier League Club and we will lose these future potential fans for ever.
Get him out NOW.
All we are saying is get rid of this clown and bring in a proper Manager who will bring in the right type of players to get us out of this league.
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We talk about a good budget for next season, what calibre of players are we going to attract? Because no one decent players will want to come
You really are utterly desperate to maintain a negative view on anything we do. I can't understand what you're actually gaining from continuing to support DRFC, if you can only see the negative in everything they do. What is the point?
When there’s something positive, I’ll be the first to give out praise. You carry on we what you think and leave me to my opinions GS
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My take on this is:
1. Sustainability is hard in league 2 and just about manageable in league 1, it will not work in non league, and without funding we do not have the quality of players irrespective of manager to keep in this league!
2. Season ticket sale time - people should not be led to believe this has no part to play, we are a business! Lack of season tickets hurts the next push even more.
3. TB can now see, or has come to terms with, that the lack of extra funds has hurt the club.
DS in my opinion deserves the chance to bring his own team in, we are not in the best place currently and he is part to blame, but the bigger blame is previous managers, and the group of players we have amassed.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH NO MATTER THE STYLE OR MANAGER FOR OVER 2YEARS. Stop lumping previous managers, current players and results on this guy, he can only be responsible for the 6 months he has been in charge. In which time he has had no money to change anything. Yet the loans and freebies have all shown to be better than what we had!
The club have to reset and start again - it will not be cheap, and i think the directors have been told so by both JS & DS.
Both JS & DS have been brought in to play the “Doncaster way” and this has been described as a total football style. DS has a tough job in trying to implement this whilst getting short term results.
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My take on this is:
1. Sustainability is hard in league 2 and just about manageable in league 1, it will not work in non league, and without funding we do not have the quality of players irrespective of manager to keep in this league!
2. Season ticket sale time - people should not be led to believe this has no part to play, we are a business! Lack of season tickets hurts the next push even more.
3. TB can now see, or has come to terms with, that the lack of extra funds has hurt the club.
DS in my opinion deserves the chance to bring his own team in, we are not in the best place currently and he is part to blame, but the bigger blame is previous managers, and the group of players we have amassed.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH NO MATTER THE STYLE OR MANAGER FOR OVER 2YEARS. Stop lumping previous managers, current players and results on this guy, he can only be responsible for the 6 months he has been in charge. In which time he has had no money to change anything. Yet the loans and freebies have all shown to be better than what we had!
The club have to reset and start again - it will not be cheap, and i think the directors have been told so by both JS & DS.
Both JS & DS have been brought in to play the “Doncaster way” and this has been described as a total football style. DS has a tough job in trying to implement this whilst getting short term results.
Agree with plenty of this, although the season ticket point, I think SM stated this only makes up around 5% of our overall revenue
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5pc?! We’ve got around 4000 season ticket holders haven’t we? Even at £100 a season ticket average (it’s must be way more than that) it would be 400k annually. 400k is 5pc of £8m…we haven’t got £8m of revenue.
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5pc?! We’ve got around 4000 season ticket holders haven’t we? Even at £100 a season ticket average (it’s must be way more than that) it would be 400k annually. 400k is 5pc of £8m…we haven’t got £8m of revenue.
I said 5% of CD revenue.
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It’s a damn good car boot
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5pc?! We’ve got around 4000 season ticket holders haven’t we? Even at £100 a season ticket average (it’s must be way more than that) it would be 400k annually. 400k is 5pc of £8m…we haven’t got £8m of revenue.
It would be interesting if they did put season tickets on sale for £100, it’s probably what’s needed, I do understand about the revenue, it must be well over 10m if 5% is season ticket sales
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Good post Campsall. If Uncle Terry.s going to give DS money this summer were going to be in trouble next season.Got to get an half decent manager in before next season or were in big trouble.
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My opinion is that DS is basically on notice to improve between now and the end of the season.
It’s got to be a big summer to get everyone joined back up
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We talk about a good budget for next season, what calibre of players are we going to attract? Because no one decent players will want to come
Bet the Gillingham fans thought exactly the same before January. They were in a worst shit show than us before they decided to throw money st it.
It's league 2 and anyone below the championship will come for the right price.
Funny thing is they were absolute dogsbody but still beat Danny's troops.
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My opinion is that DS is basically on notice to improve between now and the end of the season.
It’s got to be a big summer to get everyone joined back up
Hope this is the case. Utter madness to stick with him
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
No one is slagging TB off at all, in-fact most are very very grateful, maybe they don’t want DS wasting his money. Because that’s what will happen, if you know of any reasons why DS will invest the cash in the right players, then play them in a position and in a squad and a formation that the best will come out of them players, then please say, because many don’t see that happening with his poor coaching skills shown so far, and it’s proven that we are in relegation form out of the EFL under this guy.
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Personally any criticism I’m voicing is out of concern for him wasting his money. Not that he’s not doing enough. If we could trust how it was spent we wouldn’t need his extra money!
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
No one is slagging TB off at all, in-fact most are very very grateful, maybe they don’t want DS wasting his money. Because that’s what will happen, if you know of any reasons why DS will invest the cash in the right players, then play them in a position and in a squad and a formation that the best will come out of them players, then please say, because many don’t see that happening with his poor coaching skills shown so far, and it’s proven that we are in relegation form out of the EFL under this guy.
You were saying it was a publicity stunt the other day.
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Good post Campsall. If Uncle Terry.s going to give DS money this summer were going to be in trouble next season.Got to get an half decent manager in before next season or were in big trouble.
Yes, I would have thought the 2 went hand in hand, a proven, experienced manager & a good budget.
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If I was TB reading this lot I'd just say feck you lot and walk away find your own money
No one is slagging TB off at all, in-fact most are very very grateful, maybe they don’t want DS wasting his money. Because that’s what will happen, if you know of any reasons why DS will invest the cash in the right players, then play them in a position and in a squad and a formation that the best will come out of them players, then please say, because many don’t see that happening with his poor coaching skills shown so far, and it’s proven that we are in relegation form out of the EFL under this guy.
You were saying it was a publicity stunt the other day.
Yes I did Dickos, but read it again, I said it was great by the club, meaning it was a great piece of work by TB at the right time, I keep repeating to you that my gripe, is the same as many others who have the club’s interest at heart, and that’s DS is not the man for the job, never will be,
Also the next day the club made another statement from DB that he DS will be staying for the 2023/24 season now I don’t think that’s so great