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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: albie on August 11, 2023, 02:38:13 pm
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After all the kerfuffle, it seems the water onboard is contaminated;
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrival
It seems a pretty basic requirement to me to make sure this was not an issue, but what do I know?
Here is what they were saying 2 days ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/09/uk-asylum-seekers-who-refuse-to-live-on-barges-could-lose-government-support-bibby-stockholm
What a set of grifters at the Home Office!
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After all the kerfuffle, it seems the water onboard is contaminated;
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrival
It seems a pretty basic requirement to me to make sure this was not an issue, but what do I know?
They did tests. Only they couldn't be arsed waiting for the results so went ahead with boardings! Incompetence of the highest order. But then what do you expect from this bunch of ragas Tories?
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It makes you wonder why asylum seekers would actually WANT to come to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich.
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Fishing
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It makes you wonder why asylum seekers would actually WANT to come to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich.
I think you've just inadvertently made a case for how desperate SOME of these people are to escape from their origins .
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It makes you wonder why asylum seekers would actually WANT to come to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich.
I think you've just inadvertently made a case for how desperate SOME of these people are to escape from their origins .
..... What are the economic migrants escaping from?
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Err,let me think.
A wild stab in the dark,but could it possibly famine?
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There's famine here, isn't there?
Drip!
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Fantastic put down. Well done.
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If you can't answer questions, go away and leave it to the bigger boys to answer them.
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Hook line and sinker
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Fishing
I suppose they'll be given free rods then.
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Looks like they’re so keen to get em on board that they can’t even get the basics right! Typical Home office twittery
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If you can't answer questions, go away and leave it to the bigger boys to answer them.
Selective reading.
FAMINE!!
Have you had bitter :turd: sarnies for tea again?
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It makes you wonder why asylum seekers would actually WANT to come to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich.
I think you've just inadvertently made a case for how desperate SOME of these people are to escape from their origins .
..... What are the economic migrants escaping from?
I'd imagine poverty and lack of opportunity to get yourself out of it .
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And why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
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After all the kerfuffle, it seems the water onboard is contaminated;
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrival
It seems a pretty basic requirement to me to make sure this was not an issue, but what do I know?
Here is what they were saying 2 days ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/09/uk-asylum-seekers-who-refuse-to-live-on-barges-could-lose-government-support-bibby-stockholm
What a set of grifters at the Home Office!
Are they going to rename this boat HMS Noyade?
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And why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
Oh, and then there's the famine.
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And why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
I'm assuming they are thinking if you can get by here, there's hope for everyone.
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If you want to make anyone other than your disciples laugh, Billy lad, I suggest you stick to the politics. We can all join in then!
While you're reading this, As one of the bigger boys, do you think you could come up with a better answer than any of your disciples?
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Oh dear the big fish couldn't resist a nibble, played right into BBs trap
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BB
There are many reasons why asylum seekers would specifically want to come to the UK as opposed to other countries.
Maybe they speak English and not French.
Maybe they have relatives here.
Maybe there's a community here that they could lean on for support.
Why do you always have to polarise every single exchange of views?
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So, did Albanian asylum seekers' use of the English language triple between 2021 and 2022?
...And, irrespective of that, why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
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Because Britain isn't that cartoon place BB. It's just you being deliberately stupid because you want a fight again.
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So, did Albanian asylum seekers' use of the English language triple between 2021 and 2022?
...And, irrespective of that, why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
You've also got to factor in that the traffickers are also sales people and no doubt in this despicable industry there will be competitors .
Part of that sales technique to rid people of their money or loan them the money would be to paint a picture of the land of milk and honey and desperate people tend to believe many things that will give them hope or hope of a better life and future .
I understand through a Polish lad I worked with who turned in to a very good friend that Polish TV was full of advertisements to come to the UK , they showed the Docklands , country pubs , riverside restaurants Buckingham Palace and footage of the Premier League .
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There are too many people against the ‘hulk’ idea for it to be successful. Anything that can be used to make another Tory f**k up, will be, as usual.
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So, did Albanian asylum seekers' use of the English language triple between 2021 and 2022?
...And, irrespective of that, why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
You've also got to factor in that the traffickers are also sales people and no doubt in this despicable industry there will be competitors .
Part of that sales technique to rid people of their money or loan them the money would be to paint a picture of the land of milk and honey and desperate people tend to believe many things that will give them hope or hope of a better life and future .
I understand through a Polish lad I worked with who turned in to a very good friend that Polish TV was full of advertisements to come to the UK , they showed the Docklands , country pubs , riverside restaurants Buckingham Palace and footage of the Premier League .
So, if that's the case, any of us Brits who think our country has no future due to Brexit, and is led by an incompetent and racist government that only cares about the rich, should absolutely discourage any asylum seeker from coming here, for their own good?
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Because Britain isn't that cartoon place BB. It's just you being deliberately stupid because you want a fight again.
I think you're getting confused with me being deliberately stupid, and you being inadvertently stupid.
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So, did Albanian asylum seekers' use of the English language triple between 2021 and 2022?
...And, irrespective of that, why would they want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
You've also got to factor in that the traffickers are also sales people and no doubt in this despicable industry there will be competitors .
Part of that sales technique to rid people of their money or loan them the money would be to paint a picture of the land of milk and honey and desperate people tend to believe many things that will give them hope or hope of a better life and future .
I understand through a Polish lad I worked with who turned in to a very good friend that Polish TV was full of advertisements to come to the UK , they showed the Docklands , country pubs , riverside restaurants Buckingham Palace and footage of the Premier League .
So, if that's the case, any of us Brits who think our country has no future due to Brexit, and is led by an incompetent and racist government that only cares about the rich, should absolutely discourage any asylum seeker from coming here, for their own good?
Or we could change this country for the better , wouldn't that be the ideal solution ?
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So, meanwhile, while we're making the country a better place, we do nothing about the asylum seekers being misled by traffickers into believing our country is not dead in the water due to Brexit, and is not led by an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich, and hasn't got a famine problem going on of its own?
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So, meanwhile, while we're making the country a better place, we do nothing about the asylum seekers being misled by traffickers into believing our country is not dead in the water due to Brexit, and is not led by an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich, and hasn't got a famine problem going on of its own?
I thought the main crux from certain sections was we do way too much for asylum seekers .
I hadn't realised that it was compassion all along from said certain sections and played out as the UK is a terrible place and your better off where you are and trying to save the asylum seekers from themselves .
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BB
There are many reasons why asylum seekers would specifically want to come to the UK as opposed to other countries.
Maybe they speak English and not French.
Maybe they have relatives here.
Maybe there's a community here that they could lean on for support.
Why do you always have to polarise every single exchange of views?
Billy you've been lured, it's not gonna end up good either way. Argument and counter, insult followed by insult. 5 pages later you and BB wil still be "discussing" it.
My guess is BB isn't going to Newport tomorrow is bored and mischievous
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RR, as usual, I didn't start the insults with Billy.
This debate looks to have faded out anyway, so no need to worry about 5 pages of it, even though my argument hasn't been countered yet.
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RR, as usual, I didn't start the insults with Billy.
This debate looks to have faded out anyway, so no need to worry about 5 pages of it, even though my argument hasn't been countered yet.
BB , I'm someone who believes in having strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country .
This issue could be sorted by the government , it really isn't that difficult but they choose not to because it deflects away from the shyte show they've created as a government for 13 years .
This is how much they are prepared to go to keep this thing in the news .
The barge houses 500 people and costs the UK taxpayer £18m per year to run .
You could put the asylum seekers on a Disney Cruise ship for 12 months and it would cost £3m less .
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Tyke. I also believe in strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country but mention such a system as the Australians have, and you're a raving racist.
The Government says more than £6m a day is being spent on hotels for migrants. The barge houses more than 500 people and has been refurbished since the Dutch government used it for asylum seekers. It now has en suite rooms, a TV and games room and a gym.
The food, healthcare and security costs of running the vessel, add up to an estimated £20,000 a day.
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Tyke. I also believe in strong borders and an immigration system that works for the benefit of the whole country but mention such a system as the Australians have, and you're a raving racist.
The Government says more than £6m a day is being spent on hotels for migrants. The barge houses more than 500 people and has been refurbished since the Dutch government used it for asylum seekers. It now has en suite rooms, a TV and games room and a gym.
The food, healthcare and security costs of running the vessel, add up to an estimated £20,000 a day.
Whilst we were in the EU or the Single Market we couldn't have a points based Australian style immigration policy .
There's nothing to stop that happening now of course but here's the thing .
Nobody has far as I can tell unless someone can point me towards it has done any kind of study that's in the public domain what so ever in to the economic affect of having such a system in place .
You'd imagine such a study would be a good idea but it hasn't happened .
Or it has happened and the government dare not reveal its content .
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Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.
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Wouldn't it be fantastic if we were having a debate centred about everyone here being pro using hotels to house our homeless, spending £6m a day or whatever the latest figure is to upgrade our disgusting social housing where people are literally dying from mould exposure.
But no, let's keep up the charade that these young able bodied males are in need and have more of a need than our own poverty stricken citizens. And you iz a racist if you say overwize. Lefty bingo, we've had "racist" so far whose saying "bigot" or "fascist" so I can get my full house
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Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.
Well what they wanted and what plays out as reality are often two different things .
Immigration and the affect to the economy is a huge complex thing to measure .
You'll often see or hear about the economic benefits but most of those statements aren't real root and branch studies .
You'll hear things such as a two and half billion contribution to the economy pa , that's the figure produced with tax collected and benefit paid out which is perfectly true .
Yet £7.6bn goes in to the economy from the Premier League alone so it's not that great a figure .
Nobody really knows the longer term impact either , an increasing population , more people living longer and it's affect on pensions and benefits for instance .
Nobody knows because it's practically impossible to draw up any kind of credible feasibility study because there are so many complexities .
The truth is they are winging it and don't actually know whether over the longer term it's beneficial or not to the economy .
It may explain why they focus on cultural issues rather than economics in some sections , it's good for the country and so forth .
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Boris Johnson wanted a points-based Australian-style immigration policy. So did Nigel Farage. The problem is in this country, you are accused of racism if you pursue such ideas.
That has nothing to do with asylum seekers though, Australia has asylum seekers who don't meet the criteria as it's a human right.
What would your motivation be for stopping the boats;
people just not coming here,
stopping people from travelling over treacherous waters where they could die, one has died today for instance,
or stop traffickers profiteering over moving people over the Channel?
The current problem we have is you have to get to the UK to claim asylum here. The latter two issues could be solved with a processing center in France, which they've previously offered to have. Any economic migrants such those from Albania can be declined without even stepping foot here. 90% of those crossing claim asylum here, so the remaining, who would be illegal immigrants, would have reduced opportunities to cross.
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Australia has a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing for all asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa and is specifically targeted at those who manage to reach Australian territorial waters by boat.
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Australia has a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing for all asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa and is specifically targeted at those who manage to reach Australian territorial waters by boat.
You're not wrong, but how about we don't encourage crossing the Channel, so people don't needlessly die?
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I agree. Putting them up in hotels free gratis is far too encouraging. We need to tighten up. Sometimes people can't access asylum systems in other countries as easily as they can here.
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BB
You've brought Australia into the discussion and appear to be confusing the issues of immigration and asylum.
The issue of people arriving here on boats is almost entirely about asylum claims. The overwhelming majority of the people who come on boats and are picked up claim asylum. The overwhelming majority of those claims, when they are finally processed, are granted.
Do you want to compare Australia's approach to asylum claims with ours?
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BST, you have an embedded habit of asking questions rather than answering them as a way of moving on the conversation while saving face.
Now, why would asylum seekers want to pass through other, surely more compassionate countries, risking their lives travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters, in order to go to a country with a famine problem, and absolutely no future due to Brexit, and led by such an incompetent, racist government that only cares about the rich?
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I answered you BB. Your question doesn't mean anything because it addresses an issue that only exists inside your head. Like so many of the things you post on here.
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No, you didn't lad. The only correct answer you could have given was to admit that, on the contrary, the UK is a very compassionate country that asylum seekers deem well worth the risk of travelling 50-odd miles on dinghies in extremely dangerous waters in order to reach because it has a government that simply does not only care about the rich.
.....As much as you would avoid saying it.