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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Donnywolf on December 12, 2023, 08:41:23 am
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Sunak offering a good feast to the dissident luminaries in his Party this morning
Gullis , Francois , 30p Anderson and the rest filing out of No 10 and trotting along in single file it looked like the only Tory MP I've ever had to endure Fletcher MP
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Fletcher got a tip off that someone would be there with a camera, he’s too thick to know why he is there, the photo op couldn’t be resisted
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Who are the Labour Party MP’S for Doncaster?
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Sunak offering a good feast to the dissident luminaries in his Party this morning
Gullis , Francois , 30p Anderson and the rest filing out of No 10 and trotting along in single file it looked like the only Tory MP I've ever had to endure Fletcher MP
Possibly another Sunak " Eat Out To Wipe Out " stunt .
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So Rishi Sunak, who promised to always take "long term decisions for a brighter future" has managed to stake the future of the country on the outcome of a bacon sandwich meeting with Jonathan Gullis
Robbed off twitter but thought it summed things up nicely
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I really don't understand Sunak.
Doesn't he see the obvious? The more he feeds the Tory far right tiger, the more it wants to eat. They don't WANT to be satisfied. They want to keep pulling the party further to the batshit right.
Sunak is gone in 12 months. A political career ended. He could do the Tory party the service it needs by calling out these MPs for what they are, and let the process begin of re-establishing the Tories as a mature, intelligent, evidence-led party. He'd go down in history for that. But he hasn't got the balls or the vision to do it. So he's going to feed the tiger even more.
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I really don't understand Sunak.
Doesn't he see the obvious? The more he feeds the Tory far right tiger, the more it wants to eat. They don't WANT to be satisfied. They want to keep pulling the party further to the batshit right.
Sunak is gone in 12 months. A political career ended. He could do the Tory party the service it needs by calling out these MPs for what they are, and let the process begin of re-establishing the Tories as a mature, intelligent, evidence-led party. He'd go down in history for that. But he hasn't got the balls or the vision to do it. So he's going to feed the tiger even more.
It’s really simple for him, while they are munching on their bacon sandwiches he says back me or there’s a snap election and some of you won’t be in a job, if not all of you
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So Rishi Sunak, who promised to always take "long term decisions for a brighter future" has managed to stake the future of the country on the outcome of a bacon sandwich meeting with Jonathan Gullis
Robbed off twitter but thought it summed things up nicely
As long as he didn't have Tri-latte and Quinoa or Tofu on the menu
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Pub quiz question in 2030:
"Who were Lee Anderson, Miriam Cates and Jonathan Gullis?"
Blank faces and no ideas all round.
Clue: "Blank faces and no ideas all round".
Seriously. 12 months and these non-entities will have had their time stirring up xenophobic shit in working class areas and we'll never have to hear from them again.
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Had to laugh at the briefing going on about this breakfast. Apparently it was smoked salmon and pastries, then presumably one of them realised that doesn't fit with what they think red wall voters like, so they've now briefed out that they actually all had bacon butties instead.
Just the worst, most unserious people.
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This is how utterly anchorless this Government is.
There are vital climate change negotiations going on in UAE.
Our Energy minister is there, as he should be.
Except...no he isn't. He's currently on a plane flying back so he can be lobby fodder tonight.
Sunak needs his vote in a debate over a policy that will never work, and even if it did, would not solve the problem it is supposed to address.
Our minister is leaving globally vital talks, to try to help Sunak not lose face by losing this pointless vote.
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This is how utterly anchorless this Government is.
There are vital climate change negotiations going on in UAE.
Our Energy minister is there, as he should be.
Except...no he isn't. He's currently on a plane flying back so he can be lobby fodder tonight.
Sunak needs his vote in a debate over a policy that will never work, and even if it did, would not solve the problem it is supposed to address.
Our minister is leaving globally vital talks, to try to help Sunak not lose face by losing this pointless vote.
He’s returning straight back, unnecessary journey, creating a Carbon footprint during a COP summit!
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I really don't understand Sunak.
Doesn't he see the obvious? The more he feeds the Tory far right tiger, the more it wants to eat. They don't WANT to be satisfied. They want to keep pulling the party further to the batshit right.
Sunak is gone in 12 months. A political career ended. He could do the Tory party the service it needs by calling out these MPs for what they are, and let the process begin of re-establishing the Tories as a mature, intelligent, evidence-led party. He'd go down in history for that. But he hasn't got the balls or the vision to do it. So he's going to feed the tiger even more.
It’s really simple for him, while they are munching on their bacon sandwiches he says back me or there’s a snap election and some of you won’t be in a job, if not all of you
They're going to be out of a job in months anyway so that's not much of a threat.
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There was a woman caller called Caroline on Nicky Campbell phone in this morning.
She eloquently ripped the Rwanda plan and the Tories incompetence with immigration to pieces.
Her contribution was brilliant.
Campbell was speechless with the effect it had.
Should be recorded and played back to Sunak et al.
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This is how utterly anchorless this Government is.
There are vital climate change negotiations going on in UAE.
Our Energy minister is there, as he should be.
Except...no he isn't. He's currently on a plane flying back so he can be lobby fodder tonight.
Sunak needs his vote in a debate over a policy that will never work, and even if it did, would not solve the problem it is supposed to address.
Our minister is leaving globally vital talks, to try to help Sunak not lose face by losing this pointless vote.
He’s returning straight back, unnecessary journey, creating a Carbon footprint during a COP summit!
Having a summit in person is a farce given the subject, could be done online
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This is how utterly anchorless this Government is.
There are vital climate change negotiations going on in UAE.
Our Energy minister is there, as he should be.
Except...no he isn't. He's currently on a plane flying back so he can be lobby fodder tonight.
Sunak needs his vote in a debate over a policy that will never work, and even if it did, would not solve the problem it is supposed to address.
Our minister is leaving globally vital talks, to try to help Sunak not lose face by losing this pointless vote.
He’s returning straight back, unnecessary journey, creating a Carbon footprint during a COP summit!
Having a summit in person is a farce given the subject, could be done online
As someone who does a lot of online meetings, I very much disagree with this. Online meetings just don't recreate the subtleties of face to face ones. Little things, but very important ones like chance 1-2-1 discussions over coffee, or passing on a non-verbal communication to one specific person, like rolling your eyes in response to what someone else has said, but doing in in a way that only the intended recipient gets it. These things are vital parts of human communication, and the more important and difficult the topic, the more vital they are. Online meetings are fine for handle turning decision making, but very much second best for anything else.
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And guess who's just popped in to the Commons
Peter Bone MP alleged to have exposed himself to an Aide young enough to be his Grandson or Grandaughter
He was banned from HOC for 6 weeks and his constituents are deciding whether to "recall him
Fancy talk for forcing a new Bye Election
Such is the desperation of the Prime Miniature ( the grinning Sunak) Bone has been brought in to Vote tonight
Oh well we know there is no depths to which they won't sink
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Who are the Labour Party MP’S for Doncaster?
2 of the 3 are Labour
Ed Miliband and Rosie Winterton
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Who are the Labour Party MP’S for Doncaster?
2 of the 3 are Labour
Ed Miliband and Rosie Winterton
Rosie is also the Deputy Speaker of the HOC, and at the moment is overseeing the Rwanda debate.
I've met her. She's a nice woman.
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Fletcher hopefully will be under pressure EVEN after they have redrawn the Don Valley Constituency boundaries to include some of the Isle of Axholme ( not sure which bits ) to add lots of potential Conservative voters
Even that shouldn't save him .
Sorry , I know it's politics and I won't change anyone's mind , no more than they will change mine but I hope he gets battered and loses his deposit BUT of course the new rules have enhanced lots of the " compensation package" facets so I don't suppose he will suffer too much financially
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It's Doncaster East and the Isle of Axholme
Sandtoft Belton Beltoft Wroot Haxey Epworth Crowle Owston Ferry
Westwood side welcome to Fletcher-land
Along with Bawtry Finno Hatfield Thorne
Looks like I'm stuck with him
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I saw bits of what he said in parliament today. He has a point in some ways even if we don't all want to admit it.
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Not many on here would admit to saying they thought he had a point.
Even if they did secretly think he had.
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I saw bits of what he said in parliament today. He has a point in some ways even if we don't all want to admit it.
I REALLY hope you don't mean this.
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1734627430290051383
Because that is out and out race baiting.
To think, that scumbag represents the seat where I grew up. Get rid of him, please.
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What Fletcher is doing there is what fascists have always done.
His party has cut real terms health spending. He blames The Other for problems with hospitals.
His party has cut real terms education spending. He blames The Other for schools' problems.
His party has utterly failed to see enough houses built in the country. He blames The Other for the running down of housing.
Fletcher himself of course is so f**king dense that light bends round him, so he probably doesn't even realise what he's doing. But there you have an out and out racist/fascist speaking in Parliament and representing Donny.
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He's a Kitson and an embarrassment to the city. Spinning some yarn about Donny becoming a mad max style wasteland because an immigrant family moves in next door. A&E full because nobody in DRI speaks English? It's embarrassing.
His speech was pretty naked racism, plain and simple. National Front, Combat 18 stuff. It's f**king racist.
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I saw bits of what he said in parliament today. He has a point in some ways even if we don't all want to admit it.
Really? You'd be scared to let your kids play outside because a foreign family moved in next door? You think A&E gets full because none of the doctors speak English?
Which bit of his nonsensical, rambling racist speech, that was based on an obvious fantasy, did you find yourself agreeing with?
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All that big talk from the “rebels” and not one of them voted against it
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He's getting a right pasting on X twitter.
Somebody has posted a poll on there that shows he's got 3% chance of holding Don Valley.
Kin hope so, and he can get back to the stone he crawled from under.
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Only in the UK of today could you pass a law so that you can avoid breaking a law .
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What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.
He's saying
1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.
1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.
It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.
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I saw bits of what he said in parliament today. He has a point in some ways even if we don't all want to admit it.
Really? You'd be scared to let your kids play outside because a foreign family moved in next door? You think A&E gets full because none of the doctors speak English?
Which bit of his nonsensical, rambling racist speech, that was based on an obvious fantasy, did you find yourself agreeing with?
Read what I said, "some" not all. I quite agree with you that some of it equally is in my view crazy.
In my view the country is stretched population wise and there are areas of cities like ours that are adversely affected by the negative aspects of immigration.
I don't see it's viable to ignore the aspects of what people like him say that may well be correct just because of the parts you don't agree with and I do take pretty big issue with some of the things he says aswell. Society should be more transparent in having the uncomfortable conversations it isn't black and white.
I saw comments online earlier that anyone who questions these things is racist, xenophobic, intolerant etc and that's complete rubbish. Some aspects of it are right to be challenge.
As to your question, my kids gladly play in the street. The 'foreign' family next door are a bit older but they're bloody nice people.
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What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.
He's saying
1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.
1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.
It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.
BST, I’m genuinely interested in who you think are the people in here who “lap it up”.
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The nicest kids in my street are from families from Mauritius and Romania.
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Mrs T volunteers for the refugee council. I've met some of the families she works with and a kinder, friendlier bunch of people you'd be hard pressed to meet.
This hasn't stopped one Afghan family she sees, who are really lovely, having to be moved twice after being attacked by people the likes of Fletcher incite.
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The nicest kids in my street are from families from Mauritius and Romania.
Good SS.
My eldest has friends at school whose parents are from Poland, India, Somalia, Iraq and Malaysia, and another whose grandparents were immigrants from the West Indies. Every one of them are wonderful kids who will contribute shed loads to the community.
My wife works in a Council library in one of the more deprived parts of Sheffield. She regularly regales me with stories of immigrant mothers bringing their kids to story times because they want them to be proficient in English. The same mothers helping out at the library and making "English" friends.
That's ALWAYS been the story of immigration in our nation. Nasty, ignorant t**ts like Fletcher who want to stir up hatred against The Other have always existed. We've always marginalised them. I trust the voters of Denaby to send him into well earned obscurity next year.
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Bfyp, his entire point was race baiting bile. It doesn't matter if he identifies obvious problems with public services if all he's doing is using them as a stick to beat some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in the city with. He's still being explicitly racist towards people like your neighbour, and that sort of thing doesn't warrant a civil discussion.
If he'd said Rovers have been shit for the last 3 years because the country has let too many foreigners in, just because the first part is true doesn't mean the second part isn't racist bile - and obviously nonsensical racist bile at that.
Getting reasonable people like you nodding along with parts of this poison is how it spreads.
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What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.
He's saying
1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.
1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.
It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.
It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.
Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.
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i know Caroline Flint wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I can't believe the voters ditched her for Fletcher.
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What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.
He's saying
1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.
1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.
It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.
It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.
Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.
This is how it works weave the lies in with a bit of truth.
''Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this''
If it's a binary question you may be correct but it's not, if you asked the uk pop if they could have a choice of upping the windfall tax on big oil so the the NHS could be fixed, hotel accommodation paid for and school repair backlog paid for .......
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NR.
You don't produce more money for public services by reducing overseas students who contribute £30-40bn a year to the economy. That is the policy of this Govt
I've been saying for years, they don't want to solve this issue. They want people to suffer and blame The Other. It's all they have.
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What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.
He's saying
1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.
1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.
It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.
It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.
Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.
This is how it works weave the lies in with a bit of truth.
''Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this''
If it's a binary question you may be correct but it's not, if you asked the uk pop if they could have a choice of upping the windfall tax on big oil so the the NHS could be fixed, hotel accommodation paid for and school repair backlog paid for .......
But many of the voting electorate will view things in a binary way.
Tick the box.
Red.
Blue.
At the ballot box voters will consider binary. That’s been the backbone of uk politics for decades.
Money for housing migrants. Or money for the nhs.
They won’t consider windfall taxes. That’s not part of the current political environment. It’s not on the front pages. It’s not discussed. The MSM are not pushing it. Labour are not even pushing it. If they are, it’s not being noticed.
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Only if people such as fletcher present it that way and choose not to believe the alternative.
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NR.
You don't produce more money for public services by reducing overseas students who contribute £30-40bn a year to the economy. That is the policy of this Govt
I've been saying for years, they don't want to solve this issue. They want people to suffer and blame The Other. It's all they have.
Overseas students and the potential benefits they bring are NOT part of the current political picture currently. I’m not disagreeing with you, or SR for that matter when he talks about windfall taxes. I’m saying these are minor side shows to the main events that are facing this and the next government. Voters won’t be thinking about overseas students next year. Not will they be thinking about windfall taxes on Big Oil . It’s that simple.
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And take the example of Kegworth as an example in case. A village pop circa 3500. There is a hotel in the village housing 150 migrants. Some locals are in uproar about it. But they are split. Binary. Some supporting the need for those seeking asylum from conflict and the rest opposing them being there.
This is a binary village. Replicated across the country.
They will vote next year with the party they believe will sort out their issues according to their feelings. They won’t give a shit about overseas students or big oil.
But here’s the issue. The tories have f**ked the whole thing up. Labour will inherit the f**kup and do little to change it. They may compound issues.
From there on in I don’t know where we will end up.
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Look at the polls. One of the groups of "immigrants" (sic) that gets the highest support for policies that reduce the numbers is overseas students.
This Govt COULD educate people about the massive benefits that the country gets from welcoming overseas students, both in immediate income and in the long term links with people who will drive the economies of their own countries when they return.
But they don't. They introduced policies last week aimed at satisfying the ill informed prejudices of people who just don't want foreigners here.
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NR
Look at the polls. One of the groups of "immigrants" (sic) that gets the highest support for policies that reduce the numbers is overseas students.
This Govt COULD educate people about the massive benefits that the country gets from welcoming overseas students, both in immediate income and in the long term links with people who will drive the economies of their own countries when they return.
But they don't. They introduced policies last week aimed at satisfying the ill informed prejudices of people who just don't want foreigners here.
Once again. I won’t disagree.
But its way way too late for that.
And for context in case you think I’m some ultra conservative lunatic; my brother in law runs an English school in Italy. He has lived there for 25 years and has full Italian residency. We have entertained students of his on international secondments. I know full well the benefits of overseas students.
But this facet of international relations really aren’t part of the current political landscape. At all.
Go take a walk around stainforth and ask the locals what they think about overseas students and what they contribute to The uk economy. Then go and walk around the streets of Loughborough and ask the same. You will get two very different responses .
There are more stainforths than Loughboroughs.
Populism is taking over. Whether we like it or not.
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There is no argument that there are those that would support populist issues as for 'populism taking over' I think is a bit of a stretch.
The way to deal with it is to call it out for what it is and don't amplify it.
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I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?
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I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?
You only have to look online using search term Scampton to find out.
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Fletcher blocks anyone on social media that pulls him up on the b*llocks he spouts, there’s no free speech when it comes to him!
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Yes , and forgets to post a different Photo when in "the big City" as Thorne will become in the redrawn Constituency
Good heavens I might be represented by a Lib Dem MP next Election when Bawtry Bessacarr and Epworth Crowle Haxey and Westwoodside get on board
Just thought it could be called Don Trent Torne Idle Valley EDIT adding Ouse as its on the Banks of and Humber which it is only a few Hundred yards from off Blacktoft Sands
Wonder if many Constituencies have 3 maybe more Counties within them. This one with be South Yorkshire Nottinghamshire and one maybe 2 portions of Lincolnshire
I'll have to study the Map
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https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Doncaster%20East%20and%20the%20Isle%20of%20Axholme
Predicted Labour will win according to recent Polls and historical voting habits of the Wards
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I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?
You only have to look online using search term Scampton to find out.
Plenty of potential racists there then.
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Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .
The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .
How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .
Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .
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Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .
The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .
How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .
Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .
You appear to talk about labour, Liberal Democracy as though they are things when they are people just like you tyke, except they are involved.
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Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .
The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .
How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .
Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .
You appear to talk about labour, Liberal Democracy as though they are things when they are people just like you tyke, except they are involved.
Well that's not any kind of reply at all is it Sydney .
That's the hand wringing standard we've come to expect of course .
Evil prevails when good people do nothing .
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Au contraire tyke, comment #54 is the one with the dishwashing hands wouldn't you think, read it back to yourself.
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I've just come across this MP - Where the hell has he come from and, more importantly, why have the people of Donny voted for him? Donny is full and you can't get an A&E appointment because of immigrants? He's a disgrace.
Labour are far from perfect but when I see people like this prick I firmly believe that everyone should vote Labour to get rid of these rabble rousing liars.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
I'm with you on that LDR - I also wonder how many staff working at DRI are 'immigrants'? If it's anything like the hospitals down here then it's a very significant percentage.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
Again in fairness to the MP he's campaigned quite loudly about that fact aswell.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
There are many debates that you can have on the level of immigration that the country's had in the last 20 years .
You can have cultural debates , shared values debates , assimilating debates and you can even have national security debates .
Economic debates and immigration is the weakest one you can choose .
It's an economic benefit , there's no case to answer .
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
If only we'd let the immigrants work and pay taxes instead of paying to put them up in hotels!
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Have a look at very recent Swedish History, 98% of the immigrants they let in are on Benefits, they are unable to work in most Blue Shirt Industries and have failed to intregrate!
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Have a look at very recent Swedish History, 98% of the immigrants they let in are on Benefits, they are unable to work in most Blue Shirt Industries and have failed to intregrate!
You got a source for that number?
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Have a look at very recent Swedish History, 98% of the immigrants they let in are on Benefits, they are unable to work in most Blue Shirt Industries and have failed to intregrate!
I think what's happened in Sweden is as good an example as there is that planning , due diligence and actually having a jobs market available for migrants to tap in to is absolutely imperative and to not do anything of those things is actually dangerous .
The doing of the right thing in Sweden's case was absolutely nothing of the sort .
Different to the UK of course whose job's market is rammed with low skill and of course low paid work but even then it's regional rather than the country per se .
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Have a look at very recent Swedish History, 98% of the immigrants they let in are on Benefits, they are unable to work in most Blue Shirt Industries and have failed to intregrate!
You got a source for that number?
Not found it yet but this is an enlightening read! Swedish PM admits failure of integrating migrants, laments society becoming “too weak”
https://migrants.news/2022-05-10-swedish-pm-admits-failure-to-integrate-migrants.html
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Sorry Sproty. Matter of principle here. I'm not going on a website called Migrants.News that refuses to let me choose to block their use of my personal data.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
And therefore one thing you can do is??? Stop the importing of poverty? Stop the importing of uneducated unskilled even unidentifiable people
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
And therefore one thing you can do is??? Stop the importing of poverty? Stop the importing of uneducated unskilled even unidentifiable people
The one thing you can do is vote out the Kitsons who imposed the spending cuts then blamed The Other.
Somehow, I suspect you'd prefer just to blame The Other.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
There are many debates that you can have on the level of immigration that the country's had in the last 20 years .
You can have cultural debates , shared values debates , assimilating debates and you can even have national security debates .
Economic debates and immigration is the weakest one you can choose .
It's an economic benefit , there's no case to answer .
Indeed we do need more uber eats drivers, houses of multiple occupancy and our good folk at the housing association getting over time. I for one do wish we had more uneducated and unidentified people coming in
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
If only we'd let the immigrants work and pay taxes instead of paying to put them up in hotels!
Aka modern day slavery. They wouldnt earn enough to pay taxes and if only wed put oir own homeless in hotels. Ah the farmers constantly complaining that "the British don't want the jobs" read: the Brits don't want to live ten to a house and paid peanuts
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
And therefore one thing you can do is??? Stop the importing of poverty? Stop the importing of uneducated unskilled even unidentifiable people
The one thing you can do is vote out the Kitsons who imposed the spending cuts then blamed The Other.
Somehow, I suspect you'd prefer just to blame The Other.
There's a finite amount of money. The money that should have gone to my soup kitchen had to go to free health care and accommodation for others, again imported poverty. And yes some of that money was simply wasted by red tape, beuraucacy, and terrible management. But again again again why import poverty when you already have enough of your own
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Better supported soup kitchens ....... and more of them
Vote tory
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
Regardless of what cause you want to blame, the facts are population has grown and infrastructure has not kept up
And therefore one thing you can do is??? Stop the importing of poverty? Stop the importing of uneducated unskilled even unidentifiable people
The one thing you can do is vote out the Kitsons who imposed the spending cuts then blamed The Other.
Somehow, I suspect you'd prefer just to blame The Other.
There's a finite amount of money. The money that should have gone to my soup kitchen had to go to free health care and accommodation for others, again imported poverty. And yes some of that money was simply wasted by red tape, beuraucacy, and terrible management. But again again again why import poverty when you already have enough of your own
And that's a perfect example of how fascism takes hold.
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
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DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors
"Underfunded" because of or as a result of.........?
My local soup kitchen got fuller and fuller but there was no cheque book to keep constantly feeding the influx of users. Therefore its in a bad way, its full, the staff can't keep up, yet the country keeps importing poverty on a daily basis. My soup kitchen is in a bad way because its "underfunded" ?? Orrrrrr because of the other obvious reason
There are many debates that you can have on the level of immigration that the country's had in the last 20 years .
You can have cultural debates , shared values debates , assimilating debates and you can even have national security debates .
Economic debates and immigration is the weakest one you can choose .
It's an economic benefit , there's no case to answer .
Indeed we do need more uber eats drivers, houses of multiple occupancy and our good folk at the housing association getting over time. I for one do wish we had more uneducated and unidentified people coming in
Well you can disrespect the jobs migrant workers do , the conditions they live in and even question their education but the facts are that there is a differential of plus 64% on taxes migrants pay and benefits claimed .
There's also the not so small matter that migrant workers who come to work in the UK haven't had their education paid for by the UK state .
That's a colossal amount of money saved by governments when migrant workers go straight to work in the UK and pay taxation whilst adding to the value of the economy with the wages they earn .
It isn't as straightforward as you'd like it to be .
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
Do you mean our resident LeftifasciNazis?
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
Do you mean our resident LeftifasciNazis?
What Hound and Sproty are not getting here is that I'm not using "fascism" as an insult. More as a warning.
This IS how fascism comes about.
Economic mismanagement is the start.
You make horrifically bad economic decisions.
The economy doesn't work properly.
People work harder but get poorer.
Then demagogues on the far right come along and tell you it's all the fault of those dirty, nasty, thieving foreigners.
It's happened time after time.
You think it can't happen here? Look at the way the extremists in the Tory party, and Farage's rabble are trying to play this. No acknowledgement of the disaster of economic policy we've had for 13 years. Just egging people on to blame immigration.
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
Do you mean our resident LeftifasciNazis?
What Hound and Sproty are not getting here is that I'm not using "fascism" as an insult. More as a warning.
This IS how fascism comes about.
Economic mismanagement is the start.
You make horrifically bad economic decisions.
The economy doesn't work properly.
People work harder but get poorer.
Then demagogues on the far right come along and tell you it's all the fault of those dirty, nasty, thieving foreigners.
It's happened time after time.
You think it can't happen here? Look at the way the extremists in the Tory party, and Farage's rabble are trying to play this. No acknowledgement of the disaster of economic policy we've had for 13 years. Just egging people on to blame immigration.
I actually genuinely agree with you on the fact that our government(s) have created many issues themselves, social welfare and the NHS are broken systems. Not them mucky foreigners as you say, the government messed it up.
Similarly you don't need to convince me that we need more NHS workers, more students, craftsmen, business owners, and people in general from all over the world. I've lived abroad and always worked in an industry that flourishes due to the mix of educated individuals from various nationalities.
But why does anyone who just doesn't want to add to the pile need to be nazid or fascismsed. Why does anyone who just want legal immigration which does add to an economy and multiculturalism get n and f worded? What is the argument in favour of importing poverty via boats and/or having a meltdown when people say enough is enough specifically in relation to that?
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
Do you mean our resident LeftifasciNazis?
What Hound and Sproty are not getting here is that I'm not using "fascism" as an insult. More as a warning.
This IS how fascism comes about.
Economic mismanagement is the start.
You make horrifically bad economic decisions.
The economy doesn't work properly.
People work harder but get poorer.
Then demagogues on the far right come along and tell you it's all the fault of those dirty, nasty, thieving foreigners.
It's happened time after time.
You think it can't happen here? Look at the way the extremists in the Tory party, and Farage's rabble are trying to play this. No acknowledgement of the disaster of economic policy we've had for 13 years. Just egging people on to blame immigration.
I actually genuinely agree with you on the fact that our government(s) have created many issues themselves, social welfare and the NHS are broken systems. Not them mucky foreigners as you say, the government messed it up.
Similarly you don't need to convince me that we need more NHS workers, more students, craftsmen, business owners, and people in general from all over the world. I've lived abroad and always worked in an industry that flourishes due to the mix of educated individuals from various nationalities.
But why does anyone who just doesn't want to add to the pile need to be nazid or fascismsed. Why does anyone who just want legal immigration which does add to an economy and multiculturalism get n and f worded? What is the argument in favour of importing poverty via boats and/or having a meltdown when people say enough is enough specifically in relation to that?
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Looking at the problem in pure economic terms as you are saying, is small beer, but it still gives the gov't exactly what it wants by feeding the populist far right.
Condemn it but don't amplify it.
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If anyone wants to put the relatively small cost of looking after refugees into perspective start searching around for the amounts of money held in tax havens and revenue lost to tax evasion.
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I just want immigration done better and I'm appalled that over 17k asylum seekers have simply vanished and nobody knows where they are .
Do I think the levels of immigration we are accepting today are sustainable over the years to come ? , I wouldn't have thought so .
Do I think having an economy that relies on having huge supplies of cheap Labour is a good thing ? , no I don't .
Some balance , competence and common sense is what most people are looking for today with immigration .
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If you cut to the chase and explore people’s fears, immigration isn’t the problem, perception of integration is, and this latent fear is what is been exploited by chancers
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Amazing how fascism and racism are consistently mentioned by some people.
Do you mean our resident LeftifasciNazis?
What Hound and Sproty are not getting here is that I'm not using "fascism" as an insult. More as a warning.
This IS how fascism comes about.
Economic mismanagement is the start.
You make horrifically bad economic decisions.
The economy doesn't work properly.
People work harder but get poorer.
Then demagogues on the far right come along and tell you it's all the fault of those dirty, nasty, thieving foreigners.
It's happened time after time.
You think it can't happen here? Look at the way the extremists in the Tory party, and Farage's rabble are trying to play this. No acknowledgement of the disaster of economic policy we've had for 13 years. Just egging people on to blame immigration.
I actually genuinely agree with you on the fact that our government(s) have created many issues themselves, social welfare and the NHS are broken systems. Not them mucky foreigners as you say, the government messed it up.
Similarly you don't need to convince me that we need more NHS workers, more students, craftsmen, business owners, and people in general from all over the world. I've lived abroad and always worked in an industry that flourishes due to the mix of educated individuals from various nationalities.
But why does anyone who just doesn't want to add to the pile need to be nazid or fascismsed. Why does anyone who just want legal immigration which does add to an economy and multiculturalism get n and f worded? What is the argument in favour of importing poverty via boats and/or having a meltdown when people say enough is enough specifically in relation to that?
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Looking at the problem in pure economic terms as you are saying, is small beer, but it still gives the gov't exactly what it wants by feeding the populist far right.
Condemn it but don't amplify it.
Still can't give me one reason can you. One, just one, reason in favour of undocumented, uneducated, unANYTHING migrants. Not the educated that we need for the NHS, not the skilled that we need to build houses. The importation of poverty. Just one
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Compassion and humanity from the 7th wealthiest country in the world, there you go there's two.
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oops, a small error there make that 5th out of 195.
(btw, try and humour tyke, he's had a chip on his shoulder since the early eighties)
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Compassion and humanity from the 7th wealthiest country in the world, there you go there's two.
That's just about the laziest reply you can offer .
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let me help you out tyke
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Compassion and humanity from the 7th wealthiest country in the world, there you go there's two.
That's just about the laziest reply you can offer .
continuing a theme, I guess this must be the laziest institution of all tyke?
''The United Nations was established after World War II in an attempt to maintain international peace and security and to achieve cooperation among nations on economic, social, and humanitarian problems. Its forerunner was the League of Nations, an organization conceived under similar circumstances following World War I. Established in 1919 under the Treaty of Versailles "to promote international cooperation and to achieve peace and security," the League of Nations ceased its activities after it failed to prevent global war''
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/united-nations-charter#:~:text=The%20United%20Nations%20was%20established,circumstances%20following%20World%20War%20I.
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Compassion and humanity from the 7th wealthiest country in the world, there you go there's two.
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oops, a small error there make that 5th out of 195.
(btw, try and humour tyke, he's had a chip on his shoulder since the early eighties)
A boring failure of an answer. Yet predicable, welcome to hotel Britain all the able bodied young males. Strangely missing is the compassion for the women and children who aren't here.
More NHS workers please, desperately. More students please, desperately. More people of diverse backgrounds in employment please. Not more people with literally NOTHING. Buzz word bingo incoming... bigot, fascist, nazi
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https://youtu.be/JVClLPauojQ?si=cRuAZ7XQdt271glV