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Title: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Canadian Rover on December 26, 2023, 06:42:27 pm
Joe was limping the end of the first half and Tom has felt his back said Grant.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Silkscarf on December 26, 2023, 06:43:40 pm
“Out for 4-5 months”. Possibly.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: moses on December 26, 2023, 07:09:33 pm
Out till the end of January so they can’t be moved on.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: roversdude on December 26, 2023, 07:40:45 pm
Out with embarrassment
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: In the box on December 26, 2023, 07:49:00 pm
Joe was limping the end of the first half and Tom has felt his back said Grant.

Make of that what you will.
So that’s  two defenders coming  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: NickDRFC on December 26, 2023, 08:17:04 pm
“Out for 4-5 months”. Possibly.

Possibly? Hopefully.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: ncRover on December 26, 2023, 08:23:00 pm
I hope Anderson’s back injury is nothing because it’s going to be hard to sell a declining ageing immobile centre back with recurring back issues even after spinal surgery.

That being said, he is National League standard  but he won’t see himself as that and would turn such clubs down to stay here.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RoversInSpain on December 26, 2023, 10:57:43 pm
Thanks for the better times Tom.
But this news gives me hope…
Flint and Bailey v Mansfield then, they cannot do any worse.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Butchers Red on December 27, 2023, 02:31:23 am
I will call it as I saw it today - 2 of the weakest goals I have ever seen us concede - both centre backs positively sprinted off the pitch.

If they were playing for Columbia they would both be shot dead within a week.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: belton rover on December 27, 2023, 08:07:28 am
I will call it as I saw it today - 2 of the weakest goals I have ever seen us concede - both centre backs positively sprinted off the pitch.

If they were playing for Columbia they would both be shot dead within a week.
Harsh but very funny!
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: adamtherover on December 27, 2023, 10:32:12 am
Just seen the goals again on the highlights,  the 2nd is criminal,   olowu needs his contract tearing up ffs , lawler had zero movement for the first two,  which is a shame as otherwise he did some quality saves,..
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Filo on December 27, 2023, 10:48:28 am
Just seen the goals again on the highlights,  the 2nd is criminal,   olowu needs his contract tearing up ffs , lawler had zero movement for the first two,  which is a shame as otherwise he did some quality saves,..

Completely ignoring Andersons role in that goal, he was odds on favourite to clear that ball but somehow was second to it, clear the ball and the Olowu incident doesn’t happen and no goal happens, I agree Olowu should have done better once Anderson had f**ked up
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: adamtherover on December 27, 2023, 10:50:32 am
Just seen the goals again on the highlights,  the 2nd is criminal,   olowu needs his contract tearing up ffs , lawler had zero movement for the first two,  which is a shame as otherwise he did some quality saves,..

Completely ignoring Andersons role in that goal, he was odds on favourite to clear that ball but somehow was second to it, clear the ball and the Olowu incident doesn’t happen and no goal happens, I agree Olowu should have done better once Anderson had f**ked up
let me watch it again,  maybe the complete incompetence of olowu has blinded me to the bigger picture....
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: One_Matty_Lucas on December 27, 2023, 11:00:14 am
Just seen the goals again on the highlights,  the 2nd is criminal,   olowu needs his contract tearing up ffs , lawler had zero movement for the first two,  which is a shame as otherwise he did some quality saves,..

Not sure what Lawlor could have done differently...
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: StocksArmy on December 27, 2023, 11:10:20 am
Anderson strangely only felt his back after throwing his arms in the air towards Olowu.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: belton rover on December 27, 2023, 11:26:02 am
It looks like Olowu actually moves out of the way for him.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Butchers Red on December 27, 2023, 11:40:56 am
Even after a nights sleep I cannot understand how / why they scored that second goal ??

Is it Tom / Joe switching off ?? or a lack of desire and determination ??

Allowing McGoldrick who great player that he is, has always been slow to overtake you within such a short space, and then the scorer shouldn't have had a cat in hell's chance from that position - just totally unfathomable.

Even before their first they had a corner come in to 8 yards out and their man just swept past Tom and had a free header well saved by Lawlor.

Given the persistent theme of conceding from situations like this, and surely Grant and Cliff highlight all these things to the players in training, to concede that 2nd is totally inexcusable and the pair of them should never pull a Rovers shirt on again for me.

There were some good performances out their yesterday but those 2 simply let all the side and superb fans down
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RugbyRover on December 27, 2023, 11:56:53 am
Just seen the goals again on the highlights,  the 2nd is criminal,   olowu needs his contract tearing up ffs , lawler had zero movement for the first two,  which is a shame as otherwise he did some quality saves,..

Completely ignoring Andersons role in that goal, he was odds on favourite to clear that ball but somehow was second to it, clear the ball and the Olowu incident doesn’t happen and no goal happens, I agree Olowu should have done better once Anderson had f**ked up

At various points in the game McGoldrick made Close, Senior, Bailey, Nixon, Moly and Sterry look like Sunday League players. No surprise he did the same to Anderson. Big Joe could have got his mate out of jail if only he'd not been thinking about the scoff at half time.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: mushRTID on December 27, 2023, 12:33:27 pm
Iv only just got round to watching the highlights.

That second goal looks even worse than in real time.

It’s an absolute shambles. All three of Anderson, Olowu and to an extent Lawlor should be ashamed and embarrassed this morning.

It’s disgusting the “defending” we are being subjected to.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 27, 2023, 12:46:32 pm
Iv only just got round to watching the highlights.

That second goal looks even worse than in real time.

It’s an absolute shambles. All three of Anderson, Olowu and to an extent Lawlor should be ashamed and embarrassed this morning.

It’s disgusting the “defending” we are being subjected to.

It was far worse than just them 3. The highlights don't show how the move built up with no Rovers player within ten yards of Bostock and Crowley as they were given more time to pick passes than some Empires last for.

The rot in this side is horrific. Just simple basics not being done.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Draytonian III on December 27, 2023, 12:51:37 pm
I know yesterday’s performance wasn’t very good but David McGoldrick is the best footballer in League Two
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 27, 2023, 12:57:36 pm
Iv only just got round to watching the highlights.

That second goal looks even worse than in real time.

It’s an absolute shambles. All three of Anderson, Olowu and to an extent Lawlor should be ashamed and embarrassed this morning.

It’s disgusting the “defending” we are being subjected to.

Very harsh including Lawlor in the blame for the second goal.  He had to guard the near post from McGoldrick and couldn't possibly get close to the ball as it was played across on the diagonal.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Pliskin on December 27, 2023, 12:58:33 pm
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 27, 2023, 01:01:51 pm
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?

Please explain what were his better options "with these players"
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Canadian Rover on December 27, 2023, 01:08:00 pm
When the half time whistle was blown Olowu ran straight off the pitch...his knee can't be that bad!! Tom did look to be struggling.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: andy didcott on December 27, 2023, 03:18:29 pm
Their crap, end of.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: pib on December 27, 2023, 03:21:57 pm
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?

Please explain what were his better options "with these players"

Perhaps try to get in their faces a bit, disrupt what they were trying to do, rather than allowing them to put wave after wave of pressure on a back-line that has the breaking strain of a KitKat?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: normal rules on December 27, 2023, 03:53:45 pm
You only have to look at the amount of cards rovers players have attracted in recent games to see what little fight there was, has gone.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Pliskin on December 27, 2023, 04:14:53 pm
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?

Please explain what were his better options "with these players"

I thought McCann was supposed to be about a high energy, front-foot style?

Why didn't we try to getting players further up the pitch, actually try to impose ourselves and upset Notts County's rhythm?

That would make more sense than passively accepting their style and hoping for a miracle from a defence that has kept 1 clean sheet away from home all season.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 27, 2023, 04:34:07 pm
Anderson and Olowu might be decent players at this level, but as has been proven over a number of seasons now, they are a disaster if played together. They do I think bring out the worst in each other and double down on indecision and lack of organisation. Given how long they have been in the same side, you would have thought there was an understanding, some communication, between them. This is never apparent on the pitch.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: andyst79 on December 27, 2023, 04:47:36 pm
You only have to look at the amount of cards rovers players have attracted in recent games to see what little fight there was, has gone.
Carrying on from last season, we're absolutely powder puff
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: ravenrover on December 28, 2023, 09:05:13 am
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?

Please explain what were his better options "with these players"

I thought McCann was supposed to be about a high energy, front-foot style?

Why didn't we try to getting players further up the pitch, actually try to impose ourselves and upset Notts County's rhythm?

That would make more sense than passively accepting their style and hoping for a miracle from a defence that has kept 1 clean sheet away from home all season.
I dread to think what the score would have been if we had tried this tactic with the 11 we had on the field
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: pib on December 28, 2023, 09:58:57 am
Our defence has been proven useless all season.

It's all the more baffling that McCann set us up to camp in our own half and soak up pressure for 90 minutes, and then bemoans bad defending when we inevitably get undone.

What did he expect with these players?

Please explain what were his better options "with these players"

I thought McCann was supposed to be about a high energy, front-foot style?

Why didn't we try to getting players further up the pitch, actually try to impose ourselves and upset Notts County's rhythm?

That would make more sense than passively accepting their style and hoping for a miracle from a defence that has kept 1 clean sheet away from home all season.
I dread to think what the score would have been if we had tried this tactic with the 11 we had on the field

So our expectation now is to go into a game in the fourth division (and against a side in not-that-good form at that) with our only hope being keeping the score to a "respectable" 3-0 and not even making an effort to change our approach when we were clearly getting a hiding regardless?

We've obviously fallen further than I thought.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 10:19:03 am
  Get a couple in in midfield and get Faulkner and Wood in just doing what they are good at basic defending and no fancy stuff at the back bring in Flint and we could have a good side.
  Not all our players are poor, some can develop to be really good players, the mix needs to be right with some experience on tap, and the system wants tweaking to suit the players we have got, the likes of Faulkner when fit and Flint need exposure in the games to the end of the season for experience and need to play matches at first team level, they are as good  if not already better than who have been playing and will get even better, as I have said before I would play Faulkner alongside Wood and  Flint just in front as a defensive midfielder in the Whiteman role, he has the tools to do that, Faulkner to be a very good central defender, they need games to show it.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: roversdude on December 28, 2023, 10:24:03 am
Think we should have got rid of these two clowns and kept RoShaun
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 11:01:34 am
  It is no good looking backwards now, we have to look forward, there is a good base at the club to build on and get it right we can move forward, and chopping and changing the management should not even be considered, but give them the tools and time to do their job, and nobody gets all things right in this game even Manchester City sign players costing millions who do not fit in.
  The main aims now are keep clear of trouble, and if possible have a go at the EFL trophy which is a free hit for us being complete outsiders, but all the time use until the end of the season with a view to being stronger and challengers next season and shake those here not up to it out.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Canadian Rover on December 28, 2023, 11:07:54 am
Think we should have got rid of these two clowns and kept RoShaun

Getting rid of two poor centre halves and replacing them with a poorer one certainly is not the way to progress.

We still have Faulkner and hopefully Wood to come into the team, as I mentioned previously Olowu has some good attributes but certainly lacks in concentration and positional sense that centre halves require. All we need in league two (and even in league one) are two solid centre halves that will throw themselves at every ball into the box and have a bit of toughness and bravery...add in robustness and pace and you have it made (Faulkner).
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: roversdude on December 28, 2023, 11:19:17 am
Sorry should have clarified that my comment was tongue in cheek
I still think there is a player in Olowu but Anderson has cost us so many goals this season
Definitely a starting berth for Bobby in my opinion - anyone know when he’s due back
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RugbyRover on December 28, 2023, 11:35:19 am
Olowu should never play centre back for Rovers again, that's for certain.

He's not a defender by nature, doesn't have a defenders instinct.

But maybe he could be our missing DM  :unsure:

He looks to have all the physical attributes needed and his lack of concentration wouldn't be so destructive.

Clutching at straws maybe but I'd be giving it a go in training if I were the manager.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Butchers Red on December 28, 2023, 12:14:06 pm
Olowu should never play centre back for Rovers again, that's for certain.

He's not a defender by nature, doesn't have a defenders instinct.

But maybe he could be our missing DM  :unsure:

He looks to have all the physical attributes needed and his lack of concentration wouldn't be so destructive.

Clutching at straws maybe but I'd be giving it a go in training if I were the manager.


100% agree with that - the lad comes across well and is never sullen or downbeat - but simply does not have the nouse to be a  good central defender.

What he does have is mobility, a good touch with both feet, decent passing range and good in the air when attacking the ball ,I've seen a few games when he's driven forward and looked comfortable.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 28, 2023, 12:17:07 pm
Olowu should never play centre back for Rovers again, that's for certain.

He's not a defender by nature, doesn't have a defenders instinct.

But maybe he could be our missing DM  :unsure:

He looks to have all the physical attributes needed and his lack of concentration wouldn't be so destructive.

Clutching at straws maybe but I'd be giving it a go in training if I were the manager.

Have you seen how he reacts when he's pressed with the ball at his feet?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: danumdon on December 28, 2023, 12:46:12 pm
Like others have said you can't sit on sentiment in this game.

Anderson has been a player for us, at his peak he was dominant and challenging at both ends of the pitch, not the most vocal of leaders but never the less led by example. It's sad to see his demise but it's now at the stage where we shudder at every corner and dead ball situation as you just know we will be picking the ball out of the net, again.

Olowu is another who has the potential to be very good, unfortunately for us its never likely to be realised in a defence that's always on the back foot, agile in body but sadly not in mind, always likely to have a mistake in him due to a lack of concentration, maybe he just does not read the game well enough, that second goal at County was a perfect example if we ever needed it, in all intents he should of been the first to the ball across the box (after Lawlor had left it) everything should of gone the ball, attacker, even the goalie if he was their instead what happened?, i still can't get my head around it, when i think of some of the centre half's we've had in the past and what they would of done!

We have massive problems in the centre of defence, These two are just not up for it, (GM's favoured pair) Wood is not rated by the management, Long was never given the chance after first viewing and for some reason Faulkner has never been given the opportunity for a decent run in the side when it just looks at this time he should be some part of the solution to out issues. Flint who has impressed me with his attitude, determination and application to the cause, he looks like he could make a good fist of playing at centre half or a holding midfielder with very good potential.

We are relying on Bailey and Senior who both have development potential (possibly not mainly at CH) but we need better. Whenever we play in this league against the likes of a Cook, Smith, Wyke you need someone who can stand toe to toe and out battle them, i'd like to see Faulkner and Wood back as soon as to help us in this department, until we bring in someone better this is out lot.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Plumbster on December 28, 2023, 04:01:54 pm
Be good to see Faulkner back- I don’t think we have seen enough yet to gauge whether he is part of the solution but no doubt others are already convinced!
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: drfchound on December 28, 2023, 04:07:22 pm
After all the hype I just hope he cuts the mustard when he gets his chance.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: TheFunk on December 28, 2023, 05:14:15 pm
If his last appearance against Mansfield is anything to go by he's definitely not the answer. Flint was far better in the same match.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 05:30:15 pm
  I understand that thinking Hound, the injury and him being out and the repeated mistakes in defence by the same players game after game, and our poor team form has built up frustration in the supporters, who are thirsting for someone to come along and actually look like giving their all to the situation.
  No problems there for Bobby, what you see is what you get, and its always full on, and he is a better player than some give him credit for and is a good player in both penalty areas both defending and attacking. He needs to play as many games as possible to the end of the season along with Flint, they will get better with experience are already better than those who have repeatedly made mistakes not just this season but the last three seasons. I think I could stand the odd mistake from anyone who comes in now learning the game.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: GazLaz on December 28, 2023, 05:33:56 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Dutch Uncle on December 28, 2023, 05:42:44 pm
According to Grant's interview Olowu is OK for tomorrow, and Faulkner likely to be involved (my guess bench).

Anderson and Flint not available tomorrow, minor niggles (hopefully not the type that so often have turned into season enders in  DN4  :blush:)
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 06:16:10 pm
  All the back four including Flint that night in the first half hour were all over the place mostly because Olowu who was central and the mid field in front of them were having their backsides  ripped out.
 But you have a go at the lad Funk, I seem to remember the same game just before his injury Bobby having enough of Olowu when he tackled Bobby and getting a right going over verbally.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Dutch Uncle on December 28, 2023, 06:28:10 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: GazLaz on December 28, 2023, 08:21:21 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

I think there will be more than one.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 08:52:39 pm
  Molly?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 28, 2023, 09:18:49 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

The way things have degenerated and the fans turning on the players, it wouldn't surprise me if Faal begs WBA to get him out of here!

So anyway, where have the rumours of a 'big departure' originated from?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: drfchound on December 28, 2023, 09:22:43 pm
Our lot who boo the players and sing “not fit to wear the shirt” probably aren’t bright enough to understand that it might piss off the better players.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Dutch Uncle on December 28, 2023, 09:35:56 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

The way things have degenerated and the fans turning on the players, it wouldn't surprise me if Faal begs WBA to get him out of here!

So anyway, where have the rumours of a 'big departure' originated from?

I saw an article about a week back (maybe Yorkshire Post?) talking about priorities in the January window and claiming a 'big departure' in the works
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: The Beast on December 28, 2023, 09:47:04 pm
I think whoever you put in defence will struggle until we get a proper mester or two in that midfield. Anderson looks shot and Joe’s confidence has gone, Wood looked all over the place when he played earlier in the season and for me there’s no evidence to suggest that Faulkner is the answer, at least at the moment.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 28, 2023, 10:21:01 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

The way things have degenerated and the fans turning on the players, it wouldn't surprise me if Faal begs WBA to get him out of here!

So anyway, where have the rumours of a 'big departure' originated from?

I saw an article about a week back (maybe Yorkshire Post?) talking about priorities in the January window and claiming a 'big departure' in the works

Difficult to think of anyone in the squad who we would be prepared to let go, and who is also good enough to garner interest from other clubs.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: ncRover on December 28, 2023, 10:24:55 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

The way things have degenerated and the fans turning on the players, it wouldn't surprise me if Faal begs WBA to get him out of here!

So anyway, where have the rumours of a 'big departure' originated from?

I saw an article about a week back (maybe Yorkshire Post?) talking about priorities in the January window and claiming a 'big departure' in the works

Difficult to think of anyone in the squad who we would be prepared to let go, and who is also good enough to garner interest from other clubs.

Close.

6 months left on his contract and I highly doubt he’d want to sign another with us as he’s from down south and his experience here won’t have been fun in the slightest.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: mushRTID on December 28, 2023, 10:34:27 pm
If Olowu does have a move lined up it does explain the recent awful performances. He’s was ok last season, less good this. Likely to be decent in a more functional team.

I am beginning to think the 'big departure' might be Faal, his game has certainly dropped. Might just be 2 +2 = 5

The way things have degenerated and the fans turning on the players, it wouldn't surprise me if Faal begs WBA to get him out of here!

So anyway, where have the rumours of a 'big departure' originated from?

I saw an article about a week back (maybe Yorkshire Post?) talking about priorities in the January window and claiming a 'big departure' in the works

Difficult to think of anyone in the squad who we would be prepared to let go, and who is also good enough to garner interest from other clubs.

Close.

6 months left on his contract and I highly doubt he’d want to sign another with us as he’s from down south and his experience here won’t have been fun in the slightest.


Maybe something similar to Knoyle where we take a small fee now rather than get nothing in the summer.

After Biggins he’d be the next I’d get rid of anyway. Never took to him.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 28, 2023, 10:44:36 pm
  Moly out of contract at the end of the season, looks to be cruising a bit of late, if he has indicated he will not stay and a club came in and offered a fee?
  All guess work, but I think feasible and hope I am wrong. Faal back to his parent club again I hope not., and would be a significant loss, and about the only two I think would attract other clubs at this time of the year.
  Close could want away Billy, would he really be missed?  and his wages could be used better.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 28, 2023, 11:29:43 pm
Close needed another good technical player alongside him, and at last we got one in Westbrooke. They both compliment each other very well and started to show a real good understanding.

Both are poorer without the other. Teams need combinations and understanding all over the pitch, built over a number of games.

It's a shame we  don't always appreciate the ability of players, particularly when every player tends to suffer when confidence is on the wane, or we expect them to become something they're not.

No player is perfect by any means but it's sad when we wish away one of the better players we have.

That all said, in the Janunary priorities thread, I said it could be the optimum time for Moly to want away, while his stock is still good. Close could fall into this category too. There's every chance other clubs will value their services, even if they're not everyone's cup of tea.

Technical/creative players like Close and Westbrooke aren't easy to find, particularly in January. We haven't got any other players like them in reserve.

Olowu might be another. For all his potential, he still has weaknesses particularly when retreating back to his own area where he seems to lose his spacial awareness however, with a couple of troubled seasons behind him, he may want a fresh start to get away from us.

Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Jonathan on December 28, 2023, 11:56:57 pm
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Butchers Red on December 29, 2023, 12:12:19 am
I think whoever you put in defence will struggle until we get a proper mester or two in that midfield. Anderson looks shot and Joe’s confidence has gone, Wood looked all over the place when he played earlier in the season and for me there’s no evidence to suggest that Faulkner is the answer, at least at the moment.

Richard Wood has never, ever looked "all over the place" in a 20 year career. End of.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: The Beast on December 29, 2023, 12:53:54 am
I think whoever you put in defence will struggle until we get a proper mester or two in that midfield. Anderson looks shot and Joe’s confidence has gone, Wood looked all over the place when he played earlier in the season and for me there’s no evidence to suggest that Faulkner is the answer, at least at the moment.

Richard Wood has never, ever looked "all over the place" in a 20 year career. End of.
At one point against Notts County at home I thought he was breakdancing, trying to kick McGoldrick’s shadow.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 29, 2023, 01:01:34 am
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.

Definitely agree we need another in there that compliments them both. The anchor man who does the simple things extremely well. Reads the game well, anticipates, intercepts, blocks and can make that first critical pass without hesitation 95% of the time.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: drfchound on December 29, 2023, 08:01:27 am
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.

Definitely agree we need another in there that compliments them both. The anchor man who does the simple things extremely well. Reads the game well, anticipates, intercepts, blocks and can make that first critical pass without hesitation 95% of the time.

John Bostock then.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: ncRover on December 29, 2023, 08:30:43 am
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.

Definitely agree we need another in there that compliments them both. The anchor man who does the simple things extremely well. Reads the game well, anticipates, intercepts, blocks and can make that first critical pass without hesitation 95% of the time.

John Bostock then.

Both Close and Bostock are luxury midfielders.

But one plays in a team where he can get away with it. And that’s a rarity in this division.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: ravenrover on December 29, 2023, 08:40:15 am
Our lot who boo the players and sing “not fit to wear the shirt” probably aren’t bright enough to understand that it might piss off the better players.
Sadly Hound there were a lot of older more seasoned supporters around me shouting but not singing, it.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Jonathan on December 29, 2023, 09:27:46 am
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.

Definitely agree we need another in there that compliments them both. The anchor man who does the simple things extremely well. Reads the game well, anticipates, intercepts, blocks and can make that first critical pass without hesitation 95% of the time.

John Bostock then.

Both Close and Bostock are luxury midfielders.

But one plays in a team where he can get away with it. And that’s a rarity in this division.

Close is absolutely nowhere near the quality of Bostock in any aspect of his game.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: roversdude on December 29, 2023, 09:29:43 am
I think whoever you put in defence will struggle until we get a proper mester or two in that midfield. Anderson looks shot and Joe’s confidence has gone, Wood looked all over the place when he played earlier in the season and for me there’s no evidence to suggest that Faulkner is the answer, at least at the moment.

Richard Wood has never, ever looked "all over the place" in a 20 year career. End of.
At one point against Notts County at home I thought he was breakdancing, trying to kick McGoldrick’s shadow.

Was immense at Accrington though
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 29, 2023, 10:32:39 am
Close needs both a physical player and a technical player alongside him. The harsh truth is that he’s not good enough at either aspect of the game. But in the absence of Westbrooke he’s the best we have, and that’s precisely why we’re struggling.

Definitely agree we need another in there that compliments them both. The anchor man who does the simple things extremely well. Reads the game well, anticipates, intercepts, blocks and can make that first critical pass without hesitation 95% of the time.

John Bostock then.

Both Close and Bostock are luxury midfielders.

But one plays in a team where he can get away with it. And that’s a rarity in this division.

Close is absolutely nowhere near the quality of Bostock in any aspect of his game.

Different types of midfield players. As Bostock's been mentioned, do you think he would be good in support of Close and Westbrooke from example?

Clayton was another who ticked alot of boxes however, it seemed when he was on the ball everything slowed down. Now was that down to him or not having players in front of him making runs  finding space?

As said, it's about the combinations of different facets. It only takes one of a midfield three to 'off it' for it all to break down.

Biggins is one who hasn't got enough speed of thought, movement or technical ability to knit things together.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: selby on December 29, 2023, 10:35:48 am
   Wood has been a success for years kicking the ball, heading the ball on the edge of his own penalty area, blocking shots, and kicking lumps out of strikers, at higher levels than we are currently struggling in.
   Then at thirty eight we start dropping the ball at his feet in the six yard box from goal kicks, wanting him to pass through the lines to a mid field that in most cases don't find space or close players down in front of him, and we some think he is not that good.
  He is excellent at what he does well, all the first things I pointed out, but not farting about twenty/thirty yards away from goal. with the ball which is what we asked him to do.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Barmby Rover on December 29, 2023, 10:47:35 am
Anderson and Wood are living out a nice retirement before packing up, probably before the end of the season, Olowu is a lost sheep, Faulkner another one of our "promising but injured" with any other options being players out of their normal positions. We don't need two central defenders, we need at least three. any of the centre halves that we saw play at Belle Vue in our return to the EFL would walk into this side and improve it (in their prime of course) it cannot be all that difficult for us to find another Sarge, Foster or even Dangerous Dave surely?
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: scawsby steve on December 29, 2023, 05:31:27 pm
Anderson and Wood are living out a nice retirement before packing up, probably before the end of the season, Olowu is a lost sheep, Faulkner another one of our "promising but injured" with any other options being players out of their normal positions. We don't need two central defenders, we need at least three. any of the centre halves that we saw play at Belle Vue in our return to the EFL would walk into this side and improve it (in their prime of course) it cannot be all that difficult for us to find another Sarge, Foster or even Dangerous Dave surely?

I can't see why Anderson would retire from the game at just 30 years old.

He'll definitely get another club after Rovers, even if it's a National League side.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: glosterred on December 29, 2023, 06:48:41 pm
Olowu starts tonight


COYR
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on December 29, 2023, 07:17:36 pm
We need to start in January, by building a new team piece by piece.
We need a solid, reliable core to the side. Experienced players that you know what you will get from. Add some young players from higher up and hopefully move on those who don’t have a future, if they are wanted.

 There has to be some as well as short term thinking.
Build a side that can last at least a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RoversInSpain on December 29, 2023, 07:48:51 pm
Olowu starts tonight

Unbelievable
COYR
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 29, 2023, 08:06:30 pm
Olowu starts tonight

Unbelievable
COYR

Have you looked at the bench?  He has no option.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Filo on December 29, 2023, 09:56:10 pm
Had an excellent game tonight
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RoversInSpain on December 29, 2023, 10:13:16 pm
Had an excellent game tonight
Yes he did, can he keep it going? Though I thought for pretty much the entire first half and parts of the second we were on the front foot and didn’t have to defend as much as usual.
That’s Wood I’ve seen on his own, Anderson on his own and Olowu on his own who have done a lot better than when they play together…
Thoughts?……
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Chris the Rover on December 29, 2023, 10:13:40 pm
Thought big Joe was outstanding tonight. Probably not having to keep an eye on Tom Anderson helps!
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Filo on December 29, 2023, 10:15:24 pm
Had an excellent game tonight
Yes he did, can he keep it going? Though I thought for pretty much the entire first half and parts of the second we were on the front foot and didn’t have to defend as much as usual.
That’s Wood I’ve seen on his own, Anderson on his own and Olowu on his own who have done a lot better than when they play together…
Thoughts?……

My thoughts, and have been for a while is Olowu is baby sitting Anderson and not concentrating on his own game, tonight he had a competent player alongside him
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: roversontheup on December 29, 2023, 10:26:12 pm
I thought he had a really good game tonight. Helps when he plays right CH.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: Canadian Rover on December 29, 2023, 10:30:12 pm
Played well... More of the same each week please.
Title: Re: Olowu and Anderson "injuries"
Post by: RoversInSpain on December 29, 2023, 10:31:09 pm
It would be good to avoid a double pairing between Anderson, Olowu and Wood.
Olowu has earned it tonight so go with him and covering players next game and see where that takes us.
We have to find a solution to these crosses coming in. It’s a defenders responsibility in the main not a midfielders.
Example, midfielder gets stuck in concedes a corner, no midfielder can stop the crosses,  the issue is in defence.You can put a ball in the box anywhere on the pitch We need a defensive unit all knowing what each other is doing + some bravery.