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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Branton Rover on February 23, 2024, 07:57:31 pm

Title: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Branton Rover on February 23, 2024, 07:57:31 pm
Big respect for Tommy in this video for showing his support for the LGBTQ+ community he interviews DRFC staff member Charlie who is transgender. A really good positive watch & I feel a new career path is opening for Tommy as he’s really good as a presenter and it’s good to see him talking to Charlie and breaking down barriers.

Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 08:44:52 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: PDX_Rover on February 23, 2024, 08:48:28 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

What’s the problem? People have the freedom to be who and what they want to be.


Anyway the next war will happen remotely.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Branton Rover on February 23, 2024, 09:02:41 pm
I agree there are only two genders however I also acknowledge that some people don’t easily fit into this & to come out against the norm is a difficult challenge to face. I’m certainly not a flag waving virtue signaller but I can show empathy for anyone swimming against the tide.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 09:03:45 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

What’s the problem? People have the freedom to be who and what they want to be.


Anyway the next war will happen remotely.

I have got no issues with people doing what they want and be who they want to be, they don't have to shove it in everyone's faces.

We have rememberance DAY for all the servicemen and women that have lost their lives for our country

But

we have gay pride and LGBTQ+ MONTH?

Really?????????

There should be no promotion of any sexual preference or perceived gender selection.

There is no discussion to be had here.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 23, 2024, 09:36:26 pm
I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.

I do however, fully support the LG and B community, some who are my friends and share the same views as me with regards to the 70 odd different genders.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: coventryrover on February 23, 2024, 09:37:43 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

What’s the problem? People have the freedom to be who and what they want to be.


Anyway the next war will happen remotely.

I have got no issues with people doing what they want and be who they want to be, they don't have to shove it in everyone's faces.

We have rememberance DAY for all the servicemen and women that have lost their lives for our country

But

we have gay pride and LGBTQ+ MONTH?

Really?????????

There should be no promotion of any sexual preference or perceived gender selection.

There is no discussion to be had here.

Guess that is that then
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 09:40:45 pm
I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.

I do however, fully support the LG and B community, some who are my friends and share the same views as me with regards to the 70 odd different genders.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

100% agree
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: RoversInSpain on February 23, 2024, 10:00:39 pm
Be what you want to be, do what you want to do. And the best of luck to you.
But please don’t bore or force it on others
who,  believe it or not do not really care.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 23, 2024, 10:07:44 pm
Some utter knobheads in this thread.

Let people enjoy their lives and be who they want to be. It wont even directly affect 90% of the people moaning about it in your personal lives.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 10:13:48 pm
Some utter knobheads in this thread.

Let people enjoy their lives and be who they want to be. It wont even directly affect 90% of the people moaning about it in your personal lives.

Much like my post, assuming I'm the knobhead, won't directly affect you.....but here you are moaning about it????

  :whistle: :whistle:

This turn the other cheek attitude is why the education sector are now teaching MY children about this shit, so I must fall in the 10% that ARE directly affected by it.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 23, 2024, 10:15:55 pm
Some utter knobheads in this thread.

Let people enjoy their lives and be who they want to be. It wont even directly affect 90% of the people moaning about it in your personal lives.

When a lad dressing up as a lass goes into the same toilet as my 12 year old girl I think I'm allowed to "moan" about it.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on February 23, 2024, 10:20:04 pm
Honestly, the 1900s are calling and asking for their Muppets back.

Who cares what others do with their lives I don't?  They're more than welcome to watch football next to me whatever gender, sexuality whatnever quite frankly.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 23, 2024, 10:27:57 pm
Some utter knobheads in this thread.

Let people enjoy their lives and be who they want to be. It wont even directly affect 90% of the people moaning about it in your personal lives.

Much like my post, assuming I'm the knobhead, won't directly affect you.....but here you are moaning about it????

  :whistle: :whistle:

This turn the other cheek attitude is why the education sector are now teaching MY children about this shit, so I must fall in the 10% that ARE directly affected by it.

Them knowing about people being trans doesn't make you directly affected. Trans people have been around for years, I reckon I learnt about it from Coronation Street or Eastenders when I was like 10. It's only an issue now because people are brave enough to be who they are, unfortunately you Daily Mail snowflake lot tend to make it all about yourselves.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: drfcsteve on February 23, 2024, 10:40:15 pm
I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.

I do however, fully support the LG and B community, some who are my friends and share the same views as me with regards to the 70 odd different genders.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Someone I used to work with finally had the guts to come out and say they were trans in their 60s. Presumably they hid it away for so long because of people like you and others on this thread.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Avsuptem on February 23, 2024, 10:42:53 pm
There's a lot more of it about now than ever there was in my day. I blame big pharma and vaccines etc.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: MachoMadness on February 23, 2024, 10:44:28 pm
Transphobes continue to be the most boring set of Kitsons on the planet. Imagine the sort of absolute freak you have to be to start kicking off about the video in the OP.

Trans people have been around for as long as humans have. There are records going back thousands of years. People have been medically transitioning for over a century. Just leave them alone for f**ks sake.

Some of the responses on here show why videos like this are needed. Well done the club and Tommy for doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 23, 2024, 10:47:22 pm
I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.

I do however, fully support the LG and B community, some who are my friends and share the same views as me with regards to the 70 odd different genders.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Someone I used to work with finally had the guts to come out and say they were trans in their 60s. Presumably they hid it away for so long because of people like you and others on this thread.

I blame teachers in the 1970s for teaching this person to be trans.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: MachoMadness on February 23, 2024, 10:49:29 pm
There's a lot more of it about now than ever there was in my day. I blame big pharma and vaccines etc.
When we stopped beating kids for being left handed, the number of people appearing to be left handed went up.

Do you reckon that was to do with people being indoctrinated into left handedness or was it just a case of letting people be who they really are?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Butchers Red on February 23, 2024, 10:53:19 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

100% behind you - I was always focused on feeding and educating my offspring - both of whom knew whether or not to stand or sit down to piss
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: redwine on February 23, 2024, 10:56:46 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 11:11:47 pm
Wow!

I agree!!!!

Wow!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 11:15:56 pm
I'm really looking forward to the next Doncaster Rovers video about straight history month.

Sure they will already be on with this in the interest of equality for all.

And all the above will be well behind us promoting straight heterosexual relationships, marriage, strong home upbringing.

What the f**k has happened to this pit town? In 1 generation seems most of the men have gone.

Such a shame.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Bentley Bullet on February 23, 2024, 11:37:46 pm
I'm all for people making a success of their lives despite their differences, but not because of them.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 23, 2024, 11:41:19 pm
I'm all for people making a success of their lives despite their differences, but not because of them.

Agree with that one
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: ChrisBx on February 24, 2024, 12:34:03 am
Deary me. That's enough of the Internet tonight!
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Canadian Rover on February 24, 2024, 12:37:19 am
Regardless of gender, age, sexuality or race.

All Rovers aren't we?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 24, 2024, 12:46:07 am
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

Anyone that disagrees with Club Doncaster policy can of course raise their concerns at the next Meet the Owners meeting, or if you are unable to make it for any reason send a proxy.

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/november/08/how-doncaster-s-inclusive-culture-/


 
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 24, 2024, 12:48:10 am
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

Anyone that disagrees with Club Doncaster policy can of course raise their concerns at the next Meet the Owners meeting, or if you are unable to make it for any reason send a proxy.

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/november/08/how-doncaster-s-inclusive-culture-/


 

I would raise my concern to DRFC if it was only DRFC. But this is worldwide as I'm sure you are aware.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 24, 2024, 12:49:11 am
I take that means you're not going to the meeting
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 24, 2024, 01:02:18 am
I take that means you're not going to the meeting

Let me know when it is and I will do my best to meet you there.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 24, 2024, 01:05:08 am
I take that means you're not going to the meeting

Let me know when it is and I will do my best to meet you there.

You don't need my help do you? you're a big boy behind the keyboard, contact the club and register there.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 24, 2024, 01:52:34 am
I take that means you're not going to the meeting

Let me know when it is and I will do my best to meet you there.

You don't need my help do you? you're a big boy behind the keyboard, contact the club and register there.

Talk about pot and kettle.

  :byebye:

I know my opinions are outdated by our state driven media.  :chair:
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 05:34:33 am
Wait until the MAPs idea comes over from America.


Back on the original topic.

Gender Fluid
Someone who is fluid -- also called gender fluid -- is a person whose gender identity (the gender they identify with most) is not fixed. It can change over time or from day-to-day. Fluid is a form of gender identity or gender expression, rather than a sexual orientation.


This bit is also known as attention seeking.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 05:42:04 am
Transphobes continue to be the most boring set of Kitsons on the planet. Imagine the sort of absolute freak you have to be to start kicking off about the video in the OP.

Trans people have been around for as long as humans have. There are records going back thousands of years. People have been medically transitioning for over a century. Just leave them alone for f**ks sake.

Some of the responses on here show why videos like this are needed. Well done the club and Tommy for doing the right thing.


Yep, "Kitsons" or mostly just "Kitson" are my pronouns in my email bio. I go from one to the other depending on how many people I think I am at any given time.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: adamtherover on February 24, 2024, 07:43:17 am
I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.

I do however, fully support the LG and B community, some who are my friends and share the same views as me with regards to the 70 odd different genders.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!
for full transparencies,  I don't care how folk live their lives, but let's get it right..   70 genders? There's 2, men or women. 2 physical states, determined by xx or xy chromosomes.  The other 68 are emotional states of mind sitting on top of xx or xy. And to be fair, if a biological man wants to transitional,  he has one option. Same with biological women, they go the other way. The old identifying as a cat nonsense is sadly a mental illness, and thus I wish those affected all the best with some sort of recovery.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Chris Black come back on February 24, 2024, 08:17:42 am
The most absurd aspect of this thread was the immediate pivot from not liking this to we won’t win a war with this. As if billions of advanced weaponry and a nuclear deterrent counted for nothing, let alone that doubtless trans people can be as ruthless or useless with a gun in their hand as the next person. An astounding thread.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 24, 2024, 08:20:02 am
I'm really looking forward to the next Doncaster Rovers video about straight history month.

Sure they will already be on with this in the interest of equality for all.

And all the above will be well behind us promoting straight heterosexual relationships, marriage, strong home upbringing.

What the f**k has happened to this pit town? In 1 generation seems most of the men have gone.

Such a shame.

I didn't realise straight people felt marginalised to need a day, week or month created for them.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: The Beast on February 24, 2024, 08:25:00 am
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.
Don’t really see what winning a war has got to do with gender equality but I’m sure if I watch GB News they’ll tell me.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: adamtherover on February 24, 2024, 08:34:43 am
I'm really looking forward to the next Doncaster Rovers video about straight history month.

Sure they will already be on with this in the interest of equality for all.

And all the above will be well behind us promoting straight heterosexual relationships, marriage, strong home upbringing.

What the f**k has happened to this pit town? In 1 generation seems most of the men have gone.

Such a shame.

I didn't realise straight people felt marginalised to need a day, week or month created for them.
the middle aged white straight male is the most vile creature walking the face of the earth according to some media outlets. If you are white you have had a lifetime of white privilege so are automatically racist, if you are straight, you are automatically homophobic, if you are male you are automatically misogynistic!!!
1 phrase springs to mind " I'm happy that you are proud of your sexuality, but why are you so desperate for me to be proud of your sexuality?"

Good luck to em..

Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: graingrover on February 24, 2024, 08:41:01 am
This issue is dealt with differently from society to society as are most moral issues .However surely in a democracy liberalism should not be seen as something to criticise or mock but rather tolerate .
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 24, 2024, 08:49:26 am
I'm really looking forward to the next Doncaster Rovers video about straight history month.

Sure they will already be on with this in the interest of equality for all.

And all the above will be well behind us promoting straight heterosexual relationships, marriage, strong home upbringing.

What the f**k has happened to this pit town? In 1 generation seems most of the men have gone.

Such a shame.

I didn't realise straight people felt marginalised to need a day, week or month created for them.
the middle aged white straight male is the most vile creature walking the face of the earth according to some media outlets. If you are white you have had a lifetime of white privilege so are automatically racist, if you are straight, you are automatically homophobic, if you are male you are automatically misogynistic!!!
1 phrase springs to mind " I'm happy that you are proud of your sexuality, but why are you so desperate for me to be proud of your sexuality?"

Good luck to em..



Don't forget the giant chips on their shoulders too, eh.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: The Beast on February 24, 2024, 08:54:25 am
I'm really looking forward to the next Doncaster Rovers video about straight history month.

Sure they will already be on with this in the interest of equality for all.

And all the above will be well behind us promoting straight heterosexual relationships, marriage, strong home upbringing.

What the f**k has happened to this pit town? In 1 generation seems most of the men have gone.

Such a shame.

I didn't realise straight people felt marginalised to need a day, week or month created for them.
the middle aged white straight male is the most vile creature walking the face of the earth according to some media outlets. If you are white you have had a lifetime of white privilege so are automatically racist, if you are straight, you are automatically homophobic, if you are male you are automatically misogynistic!!!
1 phrase springs to mind " I'm happy that you are proud of your sexuality, but why are you so desperate for me to be proud of your sexuality?"

Good luck to em..



Which media outlets tell you that? Or more to the point, which media outlets tell you that other media outlets are saying that? Don’t fall for it, it’s called divide and rule.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: tommy toes on February 24, 2024, 08:54:51 am
Because of the hooha on this thread, I watched the video this morning.
She comes across as a very positive person who's trying to work hard and break down prejudice.
Nothing to get hot under the collar about.
Tommy knows her well and appears to like her and treats her as she should be treated, just another person.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: nice one rovers on February 24, 2024, 09:10:44 am
I’ve watched the interview.
I don’t see how it, or the topic it discussed affects me or anyone else adversely.
There’s a few angry and worrying people on this thread.weird how quickly it turned into our chances in a non existent war, and the memory of the war dead?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 24, 2024, 09:19:06 am
It's just the similar kind of people that made a big issue of gay people decades ago. It will take a few years of ignorant prejudice, people getting assaulted, etc, but eventually we will be in a country it's more accepting. The people in this thread who have made the issue on it need to work out which side they want to be on and whether their kids and grandkids will be proud of them in later life.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 09:22:30 am
I want to be on the side that doesn't exploit the mental health of children.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 24, 2024, 09:22:59 am
I have nothing against Charlie, but no one can deny Charlie was born with a penis.

If Charlie wants to grow his hair and pretend to be a girl that is up to Charlie.

Quite why we need a month to publicise and celebrate all of the Charlies out there baffles me. It is a media driven charade.

I have nothing against people doing what they want, we don't need the song and dance about it.

It would be nice to see as many poppies sold as rainbow flags.

But it seems a lot on here are in support of the celebrations and I am in the minority so I will get my coat.

 :coat:
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: vaya on February 24, 2024, 09:26:25 am
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

Our capacity to win a war is far more likely to be reduced by a mis-firing Nuclear deterrent and two carriers that don't work.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Jonathan on February 24, 2024, 09:36:42 am
Tommy Rowe says at the end of the video “we’ve still got a long way to go” (before we can live in an equitable, welcoming and accepting society) and this thread is certainly evidence of that.

It can feel like quite a complex issue (presumably that’s why there’s a history month - to educate) but surely the least we can all do (again as the video says) is treat people as we would want to be treated and not subject others to detriment unfairly.

It’s clear that lots of people on this thread have been gaslighted by GB News and the Daily Mail etc. into getting angry about toilets, wars and mental illnesses. It makes for a depressing read, but it certainly shows the value in someone like Tommy Rowe taking a short time out of his schedule to confront the stigmas and stereotypes.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: roversdude on February 24, 2024, 09:44:21 am
I honestly think highlighting things sometimes has a negative effect. I see the person as the person not Charlie the transgender merely Charlie
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Jonathan on February 24, 2024, 09:54:44 am
I honestly think highlighting things sometimes has a negative effect. I see the person as the person not Charlie the transgender merely Charlie

I get what you’re saying, but the biggest life lesson I’ve learned is that things are much bigger than just how I see them. I’m not ashamed to admit I had to be reminded in recent years that, just because I personally don’t see or feel prejudices in my workplace, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. They do and they can whether I like it of see it or not. This thread shows just how quickly a well-meaning video can spiral into all sorts. There’s some anger and resentment behind that and I think that’s why, sadly, we can’t just trust that people will treat others with respect and these campaigns have a place. It’s the equity vs equality argument.

The current government and the right wing media have a lot to answer for in the way they incite what we see on this thread.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Scooter on February 24, 2024, 10:02:48 am
I’m just watched the video. So this debate has actually raised awareness of the subject. The video is really good and it is baffling that people have been triggered.
It is brilliant that we are an inclusive club. People on here moan if we don’t sell enough tickets, or have empty seats but I bet a rovers fan from the LGBTQ+ community would stay away if they read this thread.
People from these communities have been persecuted for years, the Germans used to burn them during the holocaust, the stigmatizing experiences of the AIDS pandemic in the 80s, unprovoked attacked just because of their sexuality. Unfortunately it’s a long list of negative experiences that people have encountered

Being Trans or gay is not a diagnosable mental illness (used to be but not anymore)

No wonder professional footballers don’t come out as gay. There will be some (Jake Daniels springs to mind).

Imagine the meltdown if we signed an openly gay player.

There is a huge community of heterosexual people who fraudulently claim benefits, refuse to work, commit crimes and in some cases are just unkind people.

It doesn’t hurt to be kind. The work that Charlie is doing is great, and she/they help other people. That should be supported

How would you cope if you needed help from the emergency services then you realised they were from the LGBTQ community?

Times move on, let’s move into 2024 and get back to complaining about the football
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: wilts rover on February 24, 2024, 10:32:59 am
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

What’s the problem? People have the freedom to be who and what they want to be.


Anyway the next war will happen remotely.

I have got no issues with people doing what they want and be who they want to be, they don't have to shove it in everyone's faces.

We have rememberance DAY for all the servicemen and women that have lost their lives for our country

But

we have gay pride and LGBTQ+ MONTH?

Really?????????

There should be no promotion of any sexual preference or perceived gender selection.

There is no discussion to be had here.

I have no problems people doing what they want...

and then goes on to criticise people doing what they want. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: andyst79 on February 24, 2024, 10:39:33 am
Regardless of gender, age, sexuality or race.

All Rovers aren't we?
Yeah I identify as a supporter of a shit 4th tier South Yorkshire football team
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: wilts rover on February 24, 2024, 10:44:57 am
Tommy Rowe says at the end of the video “we’ve still got a long way to go” (before we can live in an equitable, welcoming and accepting society) and this thread is certainly evidence of that.

It can feel like quite a complex issue (presumably that’s why there’s a history month - to educate) but surely the least we can all do (again as the video says) is treat people as we would want to be treated and not subject others to detriment unfairly.

It’s clear that lots of people on this thread have been gaslighted by GB News and the Daily Mail etc. into getting angry about toilets, wars and mental illnesses. It makes for a depressing read, but it certainly shows the value in someone like Tommy Rowe taking a short time out of his schedule to confront the stigmas and stereotypes.

It's important to remember that not so long ago someone (a girl) was murdered just because she was like Charlie.

The people who murdered her had the ideas implanted in them that she was not who she was and was not allowed to be accepted because of that. As expressed by a number of posters in this thread.

Why some people want to control other people's lives is best known to them. But congratulations to Tommy for making the video. It clearly needed making.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2024, 10:47:19 am
Wait until the MAPs idea comes over from America.


Back on the original topic.

Gender Fluid
Someone who is fluid -- also called gender fluid -- is a person whose gender identity (the gender they identify with most) is not fixed. It can change over time or from day-to-day. Fluid is a form of gender identity or gender expression, rather than a sexual orientation.


This bit is also known as attention seeking.

Well, they've got YOUR attention anyway.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Canadian Rover on February 24, 2024, 11:04:45 am
The video is great and definitely worth a listen for anyone and everyone. I understand how many on here struggle to agree or understand the changing world we live in (I know I do) and whilst I personally don't agree with what people identify as always and certainly don't understand it it doesn't mean I am not trying to learn and be accepting of this.

This original post on the content was I bet supposed to be positive and not necessarily controversial. I do ask for all those with a negative viewpoint to watch the video before calling judgement on that in particular.

Also mods, please consider moving this away from off topic and back to viking chat. The video was about our club, our fan base, our foundation and although it's a mixed reaction it's definitely not off topic it's certainly club related.

It would be great if we could just all try to learn not necessarily agree on things but be tolerant of each other.

It certainly should not be off topic - that helps nobody.

Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Jonathan on February 24, 2024, 11:14:01 am
I agree, not sure why this was moved off topic. It’s entirely about our club and its efforts to be inclusive.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: ncRover on February 24, 2024, 11:21:41 am
I have nothing against Charlie, but no one can deny Charlie was born with a penis.

If Charlie wants to grow his hair and pretend to be a girl that is up to Charlie.

Quite why we need a month to publicise and celebrate all of the Charlies out there baffles me. It is a media driven charade.

I have nothing against people doing what they want, we don't need the song and dance about it.

It would be nice to see as many poppies sold as rainbow flags.

But it seems a lot on here are in support of the celebrations and I am in the minority so I will get my coat.

 :coat:

This is a strange way to be talking about a club employee on the fans forum.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 11:57:20 am
Silly girl should have identified as a lesbian too, would have got away with it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-65549530
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2024, 12:13:13 pm
Thing is Nudga, plenty of hetreosexual men rape kids.

Should we blame all heterosexual men, or get the arse on whenever we encounter a heterosexual man?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 24, 2024, 12:14:03 pm
Thanks for posting the op Branton, some really good supporting posts to read. A lot of people do care and some are learning, can't be bad.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Bessie Red on February 24, 2024, 01:06:21 pm
The video is great and definitely worth a listen for anyone and everyone. I understand how many on here struggle to agree or understand the changing world we live in (I know I do) and whilst I personally don't agree with what people identify as always and certainly don't understand it it doesn't mean I am not trying to learn and be accepting of this.

This original post on the content was I bet supposed to be positive and not necessarily controversial. I do ask for all those with a negative viewpoint to watch the video before calling judgement on that in particular.

Also mods, please consider moving this away from off topic and back to viking chat. The video was about our club, our fan base, our foundation and although it's a mixed reaction it's definitely not off topic it's certainly club related.

It would be great if we could just all try to learn not necessarily agree on things but be tolerant of each other.

It certainly should not be off topic - that helps nobody.


I think most people are tolerant of how people wish to identify and probably dont really care. I think what riles people is the way trans issues seem to always be front & centre in the media & it feels like it is being rammed down our throats all the time lately.At the end of the day you are born Male or Female & die Male or Female. Live & let live but dont force an agenda on people & berate them if they dont agree with it.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: ravenrover on February 24, 2024, 01:14:02 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Bessie Red on February 24, 2024, 01:35:27 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: DonnyOsmond on February 24, 2024, 01:57:12 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

Why do you love Nudgas kids?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: ravenrover on February 24, 2024, 02:19:59 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

"I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.'
I wonder
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 02:25:25 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi

Maybe you need to go back further and see what I wrote.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 02:26:29 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

"I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.'
I wonder

Already said absolutely no issues whatsoever with LG and B.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Canadian Rover on February 24, 2024, 09:33:59 pm
Admin

Please let me know why this is off topic?

Also please don't consider this "warning worthy" this genuinely is Doncaster Rovers chat and Viking Chat applicable.

It's sensitive for sure but certainly should be brought to the wider audience here.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: BerlinRed on February 24, 2024, 10:21:39 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

"I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.'
I wonder

Already said absolutely no issues whatsoever with LG and B.

Bit of advice Nudga + Ryaldinhio: Stop watching GB News ASAP. Roughly 0.5% of people identify as Trans in the UK. Trust me, they aren't as scary and as problematic as you seem to think they are. Get out more.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Nudga on February 24, 2024, 10:49:36 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

"I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.'
I wonder

Already said absolutely no issues whatsoever with LG and B.

Bit of advice Nudga + Ryaldinhio: Stop watching GB News ASAP. Roughly 0.5% of people identify as Trans in the UK. Trust me, they aren't as scary and as problematic as you seem to think they are. Get out more.

Thanks for the advice buts it's wasted on me as I don't watch any news on any channel, I don't buy any papers either so I am not influenced in any way from any media outlets.
I don't even know where you watch gb news.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Bentley Bullet on February 24, 2024, 10:57:59 pm
Hate to think what Nudgas re action would be if any of his children came out as gay or bi
Im sure he would love them unconditionally like all of us you lemon!

"I've seen first hand that this transgender shite is a mental illness or mental frailty. Impressionable young kids being indoctrinated on YouTube by freaks being sponsored by who knows what.
Luckily my three kids have the mental resilience to ignore this new trend and be normal kids.'
I wonder

Already said absolutely no issues whatsoever with LG and B.

Bit of advice Nudga + Ryaldinhio: Stop watching GB News ASAP. Roughly 0.5% of people identify as Trans in the UK. Trust me, they aren't as scary and as problematic as you seem to think they are. Get out more.
WTF has GB News got to do with this? What has politics got to do with this? It seems YOU know more about GB news than those you accuse of watching it, and if that's the case, maybe YOU should get out more.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 24, 2024, 11:07:45 pm
''What has politics got to do with this''

''For many trans onlookers, Sunak’s comment was met with a sentiment of exhaustion, the understanding that, while this might have felt like a new low, it wasn’t necessarily shocking. 'It wasn’t even a surprise that it might have happened in the presence of the mother of a murdered trans girl,' as journalist Freddy McConnell wrote. 'I cannot imagine it surprised any trans person who’s lived in Britain during the past six-odd years of relentless, coordinated, cynical and very loud attacks, not just on our legal protections but our very humanity.' The response to Sunak’s comments is what actually felt new, McConnell, adds. 'For the first time in years, a powerful public figure said something insulting, inaccurate and dehumanising about trans people and everyone reacted – well, as they should.'''

https://www.elle.com/uk/news-politics/a46727073/transphobia-problem-uk/

what indeed, hmmm
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Jonathan on February 25, 2024, 01:00:50 am
I don’t think we’d got half way down page one of this thread before a well-meaning video featuring our club captain trying to break down prejudices and barriers had provoked aggressive responses about wars, mental illness, protecting children and the most popular grift of all - toilets. It’s not unreasonable to assume the protagonists have taken influence from the usual sources. Nowadays you certainly don’t need to follow or like TalkTV or GB News to find the grifters forced upon you.

The toilets one is particularly tiresome but equally intriguing - it’s clearly easy ground for clicks and likes. I’m really not sure that anyone has ever witnessed the issues with ‘gender neutral toilets’ that the grifters would have you believe are a scourge on society, but it stirs up some real anger and vitriol as we can see. That’s come from somewhere and I really doubt it’s lived experience.

Obviously I take it all back if there are indeed several on this thread whose lives have been made unbearably miserable by evil people causing trouble and distress to all around them as they tackle stigmas around their sexuality and gender identity…
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: danumdon on February 25, 2024, 02:34:25 am
Is it a coincidence that some supporters of a relatively failing football team in a relatively failing city have views or opinions that are also relatively failing?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: wilts rover on February 25, 2024, 07:38:09 am
Is it a coincidence that some supporters of a relatively failing football team in a relatively failing city have views or opinions that are also relatively failing?

Your view of trans people will be affacted by how your football team is doing!!! Does that post really say that?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: danumdon on February 25, 2024, 09:14:38 am
Is it a coincidence that some supporters of a relatively failing football team in a relatively failing city have views or opinions that are also relatively failing?

Your view of trans people will be affacted by how your football team is doing!!! Does that post really say that?

Obviously the question was  a little bit too clever for your train of thought,

Try again, or maybe not.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: wilts rover on February 25, 2024, 12:09:37 pm
Is it a coincidence that some supporters of a relatively failing football team in a relatively failing city have views or opinions that are also relatively failing?

Your view of trans people will be affacted by how your football team is doing!!! Does that post really say that?

Obviously the question was  a little bit too clever for your train of thought,

Try again, or maybe not.

OK I will try again:

Your view of trans people will be affacted by how your football team is doing!!! Does that post really say that?
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 25, 2024, 02:00:56 pm
Sorry BR but there are two genders and that is that.

What a load of shite.

Never win a war again with this crap being promoted to the kids.

What’s the problem? People have the freedom to be who and what they want to be.


Anyway the next war will happen remotely.

I have got no issues with people doing what they want and be who they want to be, they don't have to shove it in everyone's faces.

We have rememberance DAY for all the servicemen and women that have lost their lives for our country

But

we have gay pride and LGBTQ+ MONTH?

Really?????????

There should be no promotion of any sexual preference or perceived gender selection.

There is no discussion to be had here.

So people who have been historically repressed have no right to celebrate that they aren't any longer?

Except by people like you, of course.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on February 25, 2024, 02:12:25 pm
Imagine the meltdown if we signed an openly gay player.

No doubt the club would get accused of publicising LGBQT+ and shoving it in our faces.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: SydneyRover on February 25, 2024, 07:52:13 pm
I would think the club has had plenty of diverse players over the years, but knowing what some so-called supporters would say ..............

And then there are plenty that have not said anything at all.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Canadian Rover on March 11, 2024, 11:26:35 am
Again and still moving this thread to off topic simply shows a way of let's hide this and move it away.

Let's not talk about it. It'll go away, this helps no one.
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: ravenrover on March 11, 2024, 12:47:41 pm
Hardly hidden on here
Title: Re: Tommy Rowe video
Post by: Jonathan on March 22, 2024, 01:40:08 pm
It looks like, on a Doncaster Rovers football forum, the Doncaster Rovers club captain appearing in a video designed to promote inclusivity around the football club is deemed by the moderators as ‘off topic.’ However there are currently two separate threads and three pages of discussion on the main forum around embroidery on the England shirt. Strange decision making.