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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: steve@dcfd on April 02, 2024, 10:47:29 pm
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The way he was assisted off the pitch and blood and cut let’s hope he’s ok not for the next match but for his well being.
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The man’s hard as nails. Be out for the weekend but back after then.
Can’t be nice for his missus and kids to see him like that though.
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He'll be out for the next match at least with the concussion protocol, I imagine. If he's got a concussion, then who knows. Not sure on his concussion history, but they can be really nasty especially if you have a history of them. Fingers crossed for him.
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Any update if there’s concussion or just a cut?
Loved the fact he still walked across the pitch rather than behind the goal line to waste a bit more time.
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Proper player is Wood, we were just saying there's no way he's coming off on that stretcher!
Hope everything is not as bad as it seemed, he's been magnificent for the team since his return from his last injury, has made the team mentally and physically stronger.
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He'll be out for the next match at least with the concussion protocol, I imagine. If he's got a concussion, then who knows. Not sure on his concussion history, but they can be really nasty especially if you have a history of them. Fingers crossed for him.
Just posted on another thread about this.
Is it ten days under the concussion protocol?
If so he would miss the next two games.
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Woody being woody will claim nothing to see here and he just got a finger in the eye and will be there at morcambe.
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He was subbed under the concussion rule so I believe its a minimum of 4 days of no taining followed by 3 days of none contact training, I may be wrong but as a concussion sub RW should be out for next 2 games.
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McCann has said he’s never seen a cut like it, on his forehead.
Didn’t mention if it’s concussion or not.
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Even if it's not concussion, as hard as he is, he can't play after a head injury like that. If it was on the top of his head then maybe but it looks like it was near his temple.
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Heres to hoping we see him bandaged up on Saturday but, it didn't look or sound great. Just our luck.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
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He was subbed under the concussion rule so I believe its a minimum of 4 days of no taining followed by 3 days of none contact training, I may be wrong but as a concussion sub RW should be out for next 2 games.
He was subbed because he had a big cut on his head it looked like concussion as he was groggy so I expect he will miss two games at least. We all hope it’s not worst than that for him personally football comes second
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
It was more than just a few morons Campsall.
Disgusting chanting from the Wrexham fans, they plumbed the depths of behaviour there.
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It took a while for us to really see what Woody is capable of.
He's looked like a proper defender since he's come back into the side after injury. Hope he's not out for too long.
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He was visibly in a lot of pain walking off. Looked a deep cut and probably more than a few stitches coming for him you would imagine.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
Learning this puts them on my hated clubs list. Second only to Gillingham.
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Alongside Maxwell im happiest most with his contract extension. Been superb since coming back from injury.
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Alongside Maxwell im happiest most with his contract extension. Been superb since coming back from injury.
What a delivery from Maxwell for the goal and you'll not see many headers better than that from Bailey. Sterry put some crosses of real quality in the box also.
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Definitely brought of due to concussion protocol sa he was the 4th seperate substitution interchange to be used
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
It was more than just a few morons Campsall.
Disgusting chanting from the Wrexham fans, they plumbed the depths of behaviour there.
I have heard the ‘let him die’ song a lot from the Rovers fans over the years so we are not really in a position to take the high ground
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
It was more than just a few morons Campsall.
Disgusting chanting from the Wrexham fans, they plumbed the depths of behaviour there.
I have heard the ‘let him die’ song a lot from the Rovers fans over the years so we are not really in a position to take the high ground
I don't ever recall hearing Rovers fans, or any other fans, singing "Let him die" when a player is clearly in serious trouble with a head injury and the stretcher has been brought on.
Then again, I've only been going to games for 55 years.....
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In the 70s people would chant ‘Bring on the Bostik’ when an opposition player went down with a possible leg break.
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I don’t know if we will see him again this season to be fair. Hopefully we will but it looked serious.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
It was more than just a few morons Campsall.
Disgusting chanting from the Wrexham fans, they plumbed the depths of behaviour there.
I have heard the ‘let him die’ song a lot from the Rovers fans over the years so we are not really in a position to take the high ground
I don't ever recall hearing Rovers fans, or any other fans, singing "Let him die" when a player is clearly in serious trouble with a head injury and the stretcher has been brought on.
Then again, I've only been going to games for 55 years.....
Owen Bailey must have been incensed by the chanting because my brother noticed he made a point of standing at the back of the Rovers goal ‘stock still’ & glaring at the Wrexham ‘supporters’.
Must have been distressing for Woods’ boys to see their dad laid down & kicking his legs into the pitch with pain as the stretcher was brought on
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Hindsight being crystal clear and all that, you could imagine Wrexham fans assuming we were time wasting at that point of the game. Was only few days back we were praising keeper for going down at Crawley with an ' injury '. We know Woody is made of sterner stuff than to stay down like that unless as bad as it looked but they don't
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He was subbed under the concussion rule so I believe its a minimum of 4 days of no taining followed by 3 days of none contact training, I may be wrong but as a concussion sub RW should be out for next 2 games.
He was subbed because he had a big cut on his head it looked like concussion as he was groggy so I expect he will miss two games at least. We all hope it’s not worst than that for him personally football comes second
it took big tom 3 years to come back after being "balcombed!!" :-(
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Hindsight being crystal clear and all that, you could imagine Wrexham fans assuming we were time wasting at that point of the game. Was only few days back we were praising keeper for going down at Crawley with an ' injury '. We know Woody is made of sterner stuff than to stay down like that unless as bad as it looked but they don't
So once it became totally bleedin' obvious that Woody's injury was serious and he was having to go off holding a bandage to his head, wouldn't you expect at least SOME of the away fans to show respect with a little applause?
I scrutinised the Wrexham fans at that time and there was nothing of the sort.
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Hindsight being crystal clear and all that, you could imagine Wrexham fans assuming we were time wasting at that point of the game. Was only few days back we were praising keeper for going down at Crawley with an ' injury '. We know Woody is made of sterner stuff than to stay down like that unless as bad as it looked but they don't
So once it became totally bleedin' obvious that Woody's injury was serious and he was having to go off holding a bandage to his head, wouldn't you expect at least SOME of the away fans to show respect with a little applause?
I scrutinised the Wrexham fans at that time and there was nothing of the sort.
Indeed I would, normal practice when some one goes off like that
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
I was in with the Wrexham supporters, and didn't hear that. For balance.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
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Football fans trying to take the moral high ground over other football fans is the most hypocritical thing going. There are good and bad amongst fanbases at all clubs, none are generally that much better/ worse than anyone else.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
I was in with the Wrexham supporters, and didn't hear that. For balance.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
I heard it from three quarters of the length of the pitch away
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
I was in with the Wrexham supporters, and didn't hear that. For balance.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
No I made it up to get my post numbers up.
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
I was in with the Wrexham supporters, and didn't hear that. For balance.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
I heard it from three quarters of the length of the pitch away
Yes Filo , I was bang on half way and could hear them first singing , "let him die" repeatedly then booing him when it must have been obvious he wasn't faking an injury
Also as posted elsewhere could hear them shouting pel llaw (hand ball) throughout the second half
Love the roar when they won their first Corner and the roar almost every throw in
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From the West Stand you could hear their ‘supporters’ chanting “Let him die, let him die….” when the stretcher was brought on.
As my brother said, ‘all money, no class’.
Hope he makes a speedy & full recovery.
You’re always going to get a few morons. We have got our fair share haven’t we.
Let’s hope RW will be ok. It looked very nasty. What happened as I couldn’t see fro the south end of the West stand. Was it a clash of heads or something more sinister?
I think he clashed heads with Sterry?
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Bailey
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Not sure if people have seen the photo woods took with a young fan after the game, cut looks nasty but not horrible, the swelling on his face on the other hand, pretty bad.
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Not sure if people have seen the photo woods took with a young fan after the game, cut looks nasty but not horrible, the swelling on his face on the other hand, pretty bad.
This one?
https://x.com/tom_whitton_/status/1775562142990708783?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
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Not sure if people have seen the photo woods took with a young fan after the game, cut looks nasty but not horrible, the swelling on his face on the other hand, pretty bad.
This one?
https://x.com/tom_whitton_/status/1775562142990708783?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
Those stitches look like PDX Roxers lucky lottery numbers in the lucky pint last night!
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Looks more like embroidery than a few stitches
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Has it been confirmed as concussion?
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Looks like there was plenty of claret...
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Has it been confirmed as concussion?
I'm guessing McCann would rather avoid declaring whether Wood will be fit for Saturday but no doubt the press will ask.
Not sure how the concussion protocol works and whether the opposition can access the info.
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It seems that, unlike some other forms of chanting, you can chant for someone’s death at a football match without fear of legal sanction.
What is more, current attitudes seem to regard it is less serious than certain specific forms of verbal abuse which fall short of taking life.
Would the injured footballer have any success in reporting the behaviour to the police?
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Football fans trying to take the moral high ground over other football fans is the most hypocritical thing going. There are good and bad amongst fanbases at all clubs, none are generally that much better/ worse than anyone else.
There are good and bad amongst fanbases at all clubs? No shit, Sherlock!
Had I heard Rovers fans singing this chant in the same circumstances, I would have called that out too. As I did when I heard some of our ‘supporters’ chanting “Paedos” at the Rotherham fans a few years ago.
So I won’t avoid calling out what I think are disgusting and inappropriate chants from any football supporters just in case somebody might think I’m a hypocrite.
There are red lines in my opinion, and they were crossed on this occasion.
On the other side, I read posts on the Wrexham forum after the match and the vast majority were magnanimous in defeat and complimentary about Rovers, so fair play to them.
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
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Well said Jimmydee.
Some people would say you’re a hypocrite for calling out bad behaviour, when the fans of all football clubs are the same so we should just accept it.
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Football fans trying to take the moral high ground over other football fans is the most hypocritical thing going. There are good and bad amongst fanbases at all clubs, none are generally that much better/ worse than anyone else.
And I suppose you carry judgement over what is hypocritical & what is calling a wrong a wrong.
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
I can't see the problem myself, it's just a term of phrase. They're all fellow professionals on the pitch so I should imagine nobody's going out to deliberately injure an opponent but there's nothing wrong with going in hard and leaving a bit on a player , letting them know they're in a game. Rovers have been a soft touch for a while but this year have started to show a bit of fight which is encouraging
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Didn’t you just love playing football when it was raining & you could use the wet ground to perform the perfect sliding tackle?
No thought of elbows in the face ever crossed your mind.
And if your leg stung in the showers after the game & stud ‘scrapes’ appeared as the mud washed away, you knew you’d been in a ‘proper game’.
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
There’s absolutely zero chance you would say that to a big shithouse I’m sorry. But congratulations on being the moral arbiter of the home end. Must be nice on that moral high ground.
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
There’s absolutely zero chance you would say that to a big shithouse I’m sorry. But congratulations on being the moral arbiter of the home end. Must be nice on that moral high ground.
How is correcting poor behaviour taking the moral high ground? Having met Jimmy I doubt the size of the person would dissuade him
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
There’s absolutely zero chance you would say that to a big shithouse I’m sorry. But congratulations on being the moral arbiter of the home end. Must be nice on that moral high ground.
Have you met Jimmy?
Tyson Fury wouldn’t faze him so don’t be sorry, be wiser.
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Well in that case I suggest he seeks Tyson out tomorrow in Morecambe and takes him to task for some of the unpalatable things he’s said in the past. After all, can’t let poor behaviour go unpunished.
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Anyway, how is Richard Wood and when will he play again?
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I would be very surprised if he plays tomorrow, surely it can’t have healed that quickly.
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Concussion protocol is a minimum of 48 hours' rest followed by a phased return to training IF the player is showing no signs of ongoing impairment.
That being the case, if Woody was concussed on Tuesday he could possibly be in light training today.
I'm sure that if he's passed fit to play he will want to be out there with a big old bandage around his head.
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GM has just said on his bbc sheff chat that woody is good for tomorrow!!!!!
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Brilliant news.
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Good news that he’s available but should players be playing in the same week they get a horrific bang on the head like he did. He stumbled off like a drunk.
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That should be decided by the medical staff and the player not by some overriding political regulation especially from a Federation that is miles off the speed on most fronts .
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Need to be mindful that the medical staff are also employed by the club and thus have in interest in us fielding the strongest team possible. This is exactly why said regulation exists.
Very surprised he's available for tomorrow. Hope he's okay!
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Great news.
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I don’t believe believe the medical staff would sacrifice the very essence of their profession just to ‘ field a side’ .
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Will be very interesting to see if Olowu can perform similarly well tomorrow. Would be good for him to start putting together a consistent run of decision-making and performance level. He was a world beater on Tuesday night.
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No matter what,it's great the signs are Woody is recovering well,im sure our medical team would not make any decision unless it was professionally in the best interests of Woody himself first.I will be surprised if he starts tomorrow,but pleased if he does,might start on bench,Or I wonder if it's a red herring from GM,to make Morecombe think he will be playing.
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I would be aware of any potential arms etc heading his way
If he starts and I hope he does he will get attention for sure
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Would be very surprised if plays tomorrow even if grant has said he is good to go
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I hope he is available to play that means he’s good in himself whether he plays or not we will see tomorrow. Grant will not want to let Morecambe know he’s not ready.
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Are there strict rules, or is the club/player/club medical staff free to make a decision? There was clearly an official concussion substitute used on Tuesday. Is there a chance that if we play Woody tomorrow we could be penalised for using an illegal 4th window for a sub on Tuesday? Illegal player used usually means points deductions, or match replayed.
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Are there strict rules, or is the club/player/club medical staff free to make a decision? There was clearly an official concussion substitute used on Tuesday. Is there a chance that if we play Woody tomorrow we could be penalised for using an illegal 4th window for a sub on Tuesday? Illegal player used usually means points deductions, or match replayed.
I would imagine it’s indisputable that we made that substation in good faith. The question is then whether subsequent assessment identifies concussion. It’s down to the medical staff to make an assessment and I trust their judgement, but I’m surprised (if) he’s passed fit to play so soon.
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I don’t believe believe the medical staff would sacrifice the very essence of their profession just to ‘ field a side’ .
A football medical team would never send a player out injured risking further long term complications would they… ask Jon Taylor.
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I gave a young fan that was sat in front of me a bollocking for encouraging one of our players to ‘snap him’ , he said why can’t I say that, he’s the opposition?
I said that it could end his promising career and also that he has a wife and young family at home, how would you feel if your dad got a serious disability injury at his workplace and couldn’t work anymore?
I would also say the same if it was an older person that said it too.
There’s absolutely zero chance you would say that to a big shithouse I’m sorry. But congratulations on being the moral arbiter of the home end. Must be nice on that moral high ground.
How is correcting poor behaviour taking the moral high ground? Having met Jimmy I doubt the size of the person would dissuade him
Well said, DVR. I've had the pleasure of spending a day with Jimmy in Blackpool and Fleetwood. Great company.
The only thing that spoiled it was Fleetwood's shithole of a ground, and the usual tonking that we always get there.
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Are there strict rules, or is the club/player/club medical staff free to make a decision? There was clearly an official concussion substitute used on Tuesday. Is there a chance that if we play Woody tomorrow we could be penalised for using an illegal 4th window for a sub on Tuesday? Illegal player used usually means points deductions, or match replayed.
I would imagine it’s indisputable that we made that substation in good faith. The question is then whether subsequent assessment identifies concussion. It’s down to the medical staff to make an assessment and I trust their judgement, but I’m surprised (if) he’s passed fit to play so soon.
Thanks Jonathan. I am no medical expert but I think it is possible that concussion symptoms can be delayed, and I think hence a certain period (8 days??) must pass before clearance if no symptoms appear. If so he would miss the next two games. Again I am not sure if the medical team can override this.
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We seem to be assuming that it is from a direct heavy blow to the head, if that did occur then for his own safety he should not be in the team. I would have him on the bench, and he would be warming up for 90 mins in-line with the defence :whistle:
It really all depends on how the cut occurred, it could be a player with those blade type studs just scuffed his head as he landed. These type of studs can be lethal, and it wouldn’t take much force, so no concussion, just a risk of any stitches opening up when he heads it again.
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I'm sure Wood is old enough and wise enough to recognise if he's not right and won't take undue risks.
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Good news that he’s available but should players be playing in the same week they get a horrific bang on the head like he did. He stumbled off like a drunk.
Have to agree. Just from the images he should be getting at least a weeks rest.
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Am sure the club will be aware of Woods is allowed to play. Could be a bit of kidology with morecambe to.
If he’s fit enough to play it’s a bonus
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Its tactical.
There is no way Woody should play for at least 8 days.
It keeps the opposition guessing.
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I don’t believe believe the medical staff would sacrifice the very essence of their profession just to ‘ field a side’ .
Absolutely agree with this graingrover.
Their professional integrity wouldn’t let that happen in my opinion.
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They wouldn't risk him, especially days after a contract extension
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As much as I want him to play, I can’t see how he can head the ball without opening up them stitches on his head.
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If he plays, the policies on concussion aren't worth the paper they are written on.
He walked off the pitch like I walk home after a 12 pint bender.
It'd be brilliant to have a fit Wood playing tomorrow, but the game has to take this issue seriously. This is literally a life and death issue and Shankly was talking b*llocks.
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Tell him he's Beckenbauer and get him back on.
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I would be staggered if he played in the next 2 games.
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Even if he hasn't suffered concussion he shouldn't play with the size of the wound and the swelling won't have gone down fully.
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That should be decided by the medical staff and the player not by some overriding political regulation especially from a Federation that is miles off the speed on most fronts .
The player should have absolutely no influence whatsoever on the decision, other than by declaring themselves unfit. One of the main points of the concussion rules is to save players from themselves.
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I don’t believe believe the medical staff would sacrifice the very essence of their profession just to ‘ field a side’ .
Absolutely agree with this graingrover.
Their professional integrity wouldn’t let that happen in my opinion.
Sadly professional sport has history of ignoring the obvious when it comes to this and managers hiding behind "the medical team". I'm not saying thats the case with Woody (albeit he was almost dragged off the pitch) but please dont think its all rosey with medical staff and their judgements on this.
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Do we know he was actually knocked out? Its perfectly reasonable that he walked off like he did because of the amount t of blood pouring out his head.
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Do we know he was actually knocked out? Its perfectly reasonable that he walked off like he did because of the amount t of blood pouring out his head.
He walked off the way he did because he was bent over leaning forward so the medic with him could hold a bandage to his head.
So no he may not have concussion. But it was a very nasty cut and if he has had stitches I just don’t see how he can play so soon. If he was a winger then just maybe. He is a centre back and will probably be required to head the ball at least 20 times during the match.
As I said I would be staggered if he played tomorrow or on Tuesday v Walsall.
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Do we know he was actually knocked out? Its perfectly reasonable that he walked off like he did because of the amount t of blood pouring out his head.
You don't have to be knocked out to have a concussion but yes you can get a lot of blood from a minor head clash, especially if it was a split eyebrow for example.
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What happened that actually caused the injury.
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere.
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What happened that actually caused the injury.
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere.
A clash with Owen Bailey who must have a really hard head. Not the first time someone's been polaxed after a clash with him.
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What happened that actually caused the injury.
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere.
A clash with Owen Bailey who must have a really hard head. Not the first time someone's been polaxed after a clash with him.
I thought it was Olowu as he was down at the same time?
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Wood starts today alongside Olowu.
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What happened that actually caused the injury.
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere.
A clash with Owen Bailey who must have a really hard head. Not the first time someone's been polaxed after a clash with him.
I thought it was Olowu as he was down at the same time?
Can be see here in Wrexhams post match highlights towards the end.
https://youtu.be/x1sTcPS7m8E?si=lkUCEaqSi1XJ3ane
Also good to see more good angles of both our attacking play and bodies being put on the line defending.
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Wood starts today alongside Olowu.
Feels wrong to me.
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No way McCann would start him if he wasn’t for enough. Plus he’s obviously passed all the criteria and tests
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Think in rugby you can’t even train for 7 days if you get a bang to the head like that. The test will have been “do you feel ok” “yes, I feel fine”. It
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11 stitches and bandaged up.
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Pleased the professionals have made the call and not the doctors on here. Go on Woody
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I can’t remember him heading the ball in the first half