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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: nightporter on July 04, 2024, 01:07:35 pm
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Not sure if Bobby's playing but Dundalk play tonight. I've just registered on League of Ireland TV as it's live streaming the match.
You can watch individual match for 7 Euros or a half season ticket for 60 Euros.
League of Ireland TV
https://www.loitv.ie/en-int/page/home
Dundalk page.
https://www.loitv.ie/en-int/page/dundalk-fc
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I think it is also on Bet 365 if anyone has an account...
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Any 1 know if it’s on iptv and know the channel ?
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Bobby starts tonight.
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Rovers season ticket holder here so at the game. Obviously hoping Bobby doesn't do the business this evening!
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Rovers season ticket holder here so at the game. Obviously hoping Bobby doesn't do the business this evening!
Took a second to work out you meant Shamrock Rovers, not Donny.
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Must be impossible for him to hit the ground running. Not played for 275 days, no proper pre season…
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Must be impossible for him to hit the ground running. Not played for 275 days, no proper pre season…
And this is why injuries happen.
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1 Nil down at halftime, Bobby booked. Done ok, couple of good blocks. Will be very very busy in the next few months looking at Dundalk's Midfield.
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Must be impossible for him to hit the ground running. Not played for 275 days, no proper pre season…
And this is why injuries happen.
Good point.
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He is fit enough but not match fit this will do him the world of good games to get back up to speed is what he needs.
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Lost 1:0 - good game though
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1 Nil down at halftime, Bobby booked. Done ok, couple of good blocks. Will be very very busy in the next few months looking at Dundalk's Midfield.
Bobby always get booked.
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1 Nil down at halftime, Bobby booked. Done ok, couple of good blocks. Will be very very busy in the next few months looking at Dundalk's Midfield.
Bobby always get booked.
Clumsy that’s why.
Hope I’m proved wrong, but I can’t see him making it here. Just like Jones, because he’s one of our own we want them to succeed, but when needed, unfortunately just not good enough. Like I said, I hope I’m wrong but by the time Bobby is back I can’t see him being used, especially if we’re in the top 7.
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He's a good defender. Just needs to become a better footballer.
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Needs games, which hopefully he will get. There is a very good defender in there, its a nonsense that he's no good on the ball. 19 years old remember.
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He did very well in the game last night The Irish Times a good 7 kept a Celtic loan player who is really well thought of quiet.
The same player scored when getting past an English age group international who has been recalled by Sunderland when one on one with him, he never did Bobby once in the same situations in the game, and knew Bobby was there when they jousted together.
His fitness got him through a full ninety minutes and visibly grew into the game as it went on and finished the game well on top of his man, and looked more composed as the game progressed and to say he hadn't kicked a ball at all in competitive football from November and his injury, didn't let it affect him which in his first game and against the reigning Irish champions
Clumsy or not he impressed those there to watch him from other clubs and how he ended the game physically was testament to how he trained and worked on his fitness by himself since the end of last season.
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The clumsiness will disappear has his fitness improves and he has more game time. Might be well advised to just go out and practice dribbling after training for a hour or so just to put muscle memory in place for the ball at his feet and give more balance, small things like that can make all the difference
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He's a good defender. Just needs to become a better footballer.
The narrative that he’s useless on the ball isn’t really true. He has looked rushed at time and isn’t silk but his usage isn’t bad (got all the data to back that up bla bla bla).
I’m convinced he is good. Certain he will end up playing in our first team regularly, if he doesn’t he will end up playing at a good level somewhere else.
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I think he could be a great assett to this club.
Just think where we were at as a club when he has played his games and also how badly other senior players were performing around him. I don't think we can judge any individual in that period let alone a kid.
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I don’t think it’s so much about being a better footballer, rather a smarter one.
The lad is eager to impress and that’s perhaps down to his inexperience, but he’ll learn and become a much better part of our squad.
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He played left side by the way last night, it's not a problem.
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The lad is both young and hasn’t played much football for the last 18 months. He needs games. Week in, week out. Impossible to judge without him getting consistent minutes. Fitness, judgement and responsibility. Cannot have that if he is getting 3 mins from the bench. This is a good move and platform for him to prove himself. More than anything else, he needs to be on the pitch.
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I think he could be a great assett to this club.
Just think where we were at as a club when he has played his games and also how badly other senior players were performing around him. I don't think we can judge any individual in that period let alone a kid.
He turned out alright for me on Football Manager - if, of course, that is anything to go by! :lol:
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A big game for Dundalk on Friday evening, and with his partner in his first game returning to Sunderland and quite a few new players coming in in a local derby against the bottom side in the league just behind Dundalk the pressure is mounting on him and the team to do well.
On a personal note he has settled well, loves the place and a good set of committed supporters and is being well looked after, a big thing with a 19 yr old the first time away from home in digs.
He is training well and has had no problem with his injury and was happy the manager praised him after his first game which has gone a long way to build his confidence again and is enjoying getting out training and playing matches again.
Its a tough league with a mixture of experienced and young players now being attracted to it as it is played at a different time of the year to most leagues in Europe.
His two aims are to put a string of games together and play well as he was followed last Friday with clubs having representatives at the game last Friday evening. The lad from Celtic he was marking is attracting clubs from Europe and the UK, and he handled him well so lots to look forward to.
It is a pity his partner in the game has returned to Sunderland to go out on loan here, he looked a handy player for a good partnership and looked good enough to kick on and is an England age group player, they complimented each other and I can see him getting a good loan in the EFL or being used by Sunderland themselves.
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Dundalk have just sold defender Archie Davies to Carlisle Utd.
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Dundalk play Drogheda United tonight - they are bottom of the league..... one place above Dundalk. Looks like Bobby is playing at CB tonight...
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Dundalk 2-0 up after 20 mins and Bobby has won 6/7 of his aerial duels
Go on son
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Dundalk 2-0 up after 20 mins and Bobby has won 6/7 of his aerial duels
Go on son
2-1 HT.
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Dundalk play Drogheda United tonight - they are bottom of the league..... one place above Dundalk. Looks like Bobby is playing at CB tonight...
Surely you mean one place below.?? :chair:
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Dundalk play Drogheda United tonight - they are bottom of the league..... one place above Dundalk. Looks like Bobby is playing at CB tonight...
Surely you mean one place below.?? :chair:
You're right..... and have passed my pedant test.
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Finished 4:2 and BF didn't get booked....
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Played well again given a 7 point 4 on flash score the top defender score won his headers and tackles in what is a physical league and got another meaningful 90 minutes and not on a great pitch according to Bobby.
Played right side this week and looked a good partnership with a different player who also looked good and were the bedrock of the win really.
From the games I have watched everything looks hurried especially in midfield and 90% of passes are direct forward, very little side to side as played over here, 90 mile an hour stuff and nobody gets a lot of time on the ball,
He needs to keep it going now, he has had a good start and is looking a main man if they are to have a chance getting up the table, let's hope he can do so.
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Played well again given a 7 point 4 on flash score the top defender score won his headers and tackles in what is a physical league and got another meaningful 90 minutes and not on a great pitch according to Bobby.
Played right side this week and looked a good partnership with a different player who also looked good and were the bedrock of the win really.
From the games I have watched everything looks hurried especially in midfield and 90% of passes are direct forward, very little side to side as played over here, 90 mile an hour stuff and nobody gets a lot of time on the ball,
He needs to keep it going now, he has had a good start and is looking a main man if they are to have a chance getting up the table, let's hope he can do so.
He played left side and Flashscore ratings aren’t worth a carrot.
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https://x.com/stokeyyg2/status/1811876130074280367?s=46&t=NW2HQZbSZTCyeJVxHL-jUg
Fans fighting on the pitch after FT by the looks of it.
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They play each other again next week in the cup
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https://youtu.be/EJHGsjHTVic?si=Q-qaSPa8TtHWVu-z
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Clowns.
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https://x.com/stokeyyg2/status/1811876130074280367?s=46&t=NW2HQZbSZTCyeJVxHL-jUg
Fans fighting on the pitch after FT by the looks of it.
Think I only saw about 5 fans wearing football shirts how do you I.d fans of other clubs, could end up fighting your own fans, seems a stupid thing to do on the pitch with cameras everywhere, then again probably not up there of the brainiest of the population
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Nowt but kids.
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Gaz, I watched the match and have talked to Bobby, Mayowu Animasahun lined up left side central defender last night, and Bobby was detailed by the manager to stay the more central of the two, as any good defender does when required to cover down a flank he did so with most of Drogheda's attack channeled down the left he played the cover man on that side when needed.
And both me and his father thought he was a good seven out of ten, and the 7 point five was posted on the flash score against his name at the end of the game.
It is not very often I look at Flash Score but did last night at the end of the game and it was the first time I have noticed their individual scores out of ten for players. In this case I thought it about spot on not being an expert that is.
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Gaz, I watched the match and have talked to Bobby, Mayowu Animasahun lined up left side central defender last night, and Bobby was detailed by the manager to stay the more central of the two, as any good defender does when required to cover down a flank he did so with most of Drogheda's attack channeled down the left he played the cover man on that side when needed.
And both me and his father thought he was a good seven out of ten, and the 7 point five was posted on the flash score against his name at the end of the game.
It is not very often I look at Flash Score but did last night at the end of the game and it was the first time I have noticed their individual scores out of ten for players. In this case I thought it about spot on not being an expert that is.
That’s weird. Just watched 8minutes of highlights and he was on the left every time he was shown. Every heat map I have seen shows his touches down the left.
https://youtu.be/EJHGsjHTVic?si=dMps27BV85IBdN2m
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Dundalk started with a back 4 but the fullbacks were playing real high, Drogheda favoured the right side when attacking so Bobby was covering the left a lot.
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https://x.com/stokeyyg2/status/1811876130074280367?s=46&t=NW2HQZbSZTCyeJVxHL-jUg
Fans fighting on the pitch after FT by the looks of it.
Benny Hill esque with the music playing over the tannoy
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Interview with BF on You Tube if anyone interested. Big cup game tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kiuiNWVqI4
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Free to watch on SkyBet FYI.
https://m.skybet.com/football/football-live/drogheda-v-dundalk/33940115
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Lost 2-1 tonight but Faulkner scored
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A poor team performance tonight with hardly any football played by any side and a referee that made it even worse.
Bobby a good 7 again probably the stand out player for Dundalk in a game Drogheda set out to spoil from the first few minutes with a referee that missed free kicks playing a big part twice in Drogheda's second goal which very much should have been a free kick to Dundalk.
He shoved forward the last few minutes and scored with a good header over the keeper from 12 yards, and has always been a danger in the oppositions box.
So a bad result but other than interest because he is there the interest is in his third 90 minutes injury free, and another decent personal game, 3 little mistakes but otherwise his sides stand out defender, and because they are poor he is in the thick of it for most of the game.
It was a cup game and he was hoping to win to get more games in while there, but now it is all about survival for a poor side in which he has become one of very few players to give them some hope of staying up.
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He played well in the cup game and was on the end of most crosses into the box , including the one that he scored from in the opposition box in extra time .A battler and moreover he plays the ball positively forwards not sidewards or backwards .
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I think he was booked was he not Selby ? The smoke from the flares masked a few incidents from where i was sitting !
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Highlights....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Drogheda+United+Drogheda+United+2+1+Dundalk&oq=d&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgwIARAuGCcYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPDIGCAYQRRg8MgYIBxBFGDzSAQgyNTcxajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cb3246fd,vid:tQE10-MDV_c,st:0
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Classic header from a lying down position by Bobby.
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Yes he was booked deservedly for a tactical foul when he let his man get the wrong side one of his three mistakes to me, unfortunate in a way as it was a game of multiple tactical fouls by both sides but one with a cut bandaged head was a repeat offender, and the Drogheda keeper must have totted up over ten minutes just time wasting and taking goal kicks.
It must have been very frustrating for Dundalk who were denied a clear penalty holding a shirt for four yards in the box and a shove in the back at the end of it waved away.
And the second goal a clear foul on a Dundalk player on the edge of the box given the complete wrong way and hoofed up field a player rugby tackled and it ends up in the net.
The referee was atrocious, the standard of play not great, but a hundred miles an hour and with a referee ruled by the moon it was entertaining.
It is a good loan for Bobby, he is getting a lot of action, playing well himself, is well thought of, and has got better with the game time after a long lay off and his confidence in himself is back.
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Spot quiz. Can you name two other former Doncaster players who played for Dundalk? In fact, one of them is still with them but currently out injured.
(There may be more than two, but there's two I can think of).
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Spot quiz. Can you name two other former Doncaster players who played for Dundalk? In fact, one of them is still with them but currently out injured.
(There may be more than two, but there's two I can think of).
I've got 4.
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Spot quiz. Can you name two other former Doncaster players who played for Dundalk? In fact, one of them is still with them but currently out injured.
(There may be more than two, but there's two I can think of).
Dean Shiels
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Melligan
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Good stuff lads. They're not the two I was referring to.
Who have you got donnyosmond?
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Andy boyle came in on loan same time as Anderson
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Tulloch as the 4th.
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Very good. I've got one more. Mid 90s. Anyone else want to have a go?
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Eddie Gormley?
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Highlights....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Drogheda+United+Drogheda+United+2+1+Dundalk&oq=d&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgwIARAuGCcYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPDIGCAYQRRg8MgYIBxBFGDzSAQgyNTcxajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cb3246fd,vid:tQE10-MDV_c,st:0
Ooof. Not the best of quality that league is it.
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Highlights....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Drogheda+United+Drogheda+United+2+1+Dundalk&oq=d&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgwIARAuGCcYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYOzIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPDIGCAYQRRg8MgYIBxBFGDzSAQgyNTcxajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cb3246fd,vid:tQE10-MDV_c,st:0
Ooof. Not the best of quality that league is it.
It's not that bad. I'm Irish and have been a season ticket holder at Shamrock Rovers for 25 years so I might be a bit biased. Drogheda and Dundalk are the leagues two bottom sides too. My team had a good win in the first qualifying round of the champions League during the week knocking out Vikingur of Iceland. I was delighted at that but disgusted to see the manager put out a second string side in the cup last night resulting in a defeat at the hand of arch rivals bohemians. The money from Europe is massive though for clubs from Ireland and getting through the first qualifying round means we'll get three more cracks at group stage football via either the champions league, the Europa league and the Europa conference league. We have Sparta Prague in the second qualifying round on Tuesday. Expect a cricket score but will be a great occasion and a full house.
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Lee Thew my other one.
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Lee Thew my other one.
Just checked and we loaned Eddie Gormley out to rivals Drogheda, not Dundalk
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Lee Thew my other one.
Just checked and we loaned Eddie Gormley out to rivals Drogheda, not Dundalk
Eddie played with st pats for years after coming back from England. Was very successful and won a few leagues. Was one of the best players in the league around that time.
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Francie Callan
Kit Lawlor
Paddy Gavin
These are 3 others too apparently.
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Back to the present and some stats from Bobby's first three games with Dundalk who are having a poor season.
Anyway some stats for those who jumped on a certain manager at the time and head of recruitment's opinion on Bobby's technical ability.
Goals 1 I always said he was good in both areas at each end.
Tackle success 100% yes it is still part of the game
Blocks 8
headed clearances 12
87% passing accuracy completing 37 passes making 7 into the final third on attack
dribbles 2 completed carrying the ball forward
Not bad at all and mostly when his side is under pressure and should put any nonsense to bed, by the way on line he has a nick name used by a Dundalk supporter that might tickle a few of our older supporters " KING BOBBY" although even I have only one KING in my memory and that's ALICK
Whoever it was at the club who undermined his ability publically and value to the club with a stupid statement that reporters jumped on because his upbringing was in local men's football as a schoolboy and not an academy and has other skills and an approach to the game foreign to most players of the present should hang their head in shame and watch South American defenders who don't take prisoners or mess with the ball and widen their education.
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Good performances important but he more than anything needs consistent games. He’s getting that, which is good news.
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The most amazing stat in his professional career at Doncaster is that he has never played with a central defender who is experienced themselves
He has never partnered Woods or Anderson at the Rovers Olowo being the oldest, and Nelson probably in the most matches.
On his debut he came on as a right back substitute and went up front later in the game when we won in the last few minutes.
The last times he played with an experienced player was at Rossington in his first loan and at Worksop in another loan and Spennymoor another loan
Both partners he has had at Dundalk are twenty.
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The most amazing stat in his professional career at Doncaster is that he has never played with a central defender who is experienced themselves
He has never partnered Woods or Anderson at the Rovers Olowo being the oldest, and Nelson probably in the most matches.
On his debut he came on as a right back substitute and went up front later in the game when we won in the last few minutes.
The last times he played with an experienced player was at Rossington in his first loan and at Worksop in another loan and Spennymoor another loan
Both partners he has had at Dundalk are twenty.
Anderson and Wood likely to leave at the end of the season. Bobby has every chance of a starting place next year. Said it before, wouldn’t be surprised if he finds his way into the XI after Christmas.
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I refer to Selby and GazLaz who have followed his performances closely .I have only seem him sporadically and his recent games at Dundalk .He looks the future Kingpin of our defence .
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Sadly when he returns he'll have to wait to play for us. With it being an international loan he can't play for us again until January.
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That is not quite right the rule was amended so that in certain situations he can play and having come through the academy and played first team football is an advantage in the case of injuries and not being able to field a full squad etc and are prioritised in selection.
It was altered in 2019 probably for Covid at a guess
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Colin Hawkins also played for Dundalk.
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It's a difficult one when considering Bobby, of course we want him to do well and be a success for our team, 'one of our own'. iI have not seen him play for over a season now, and he may have improved to a high level. However, he has played through a number of coaches and is not a regular player in most competitions. IMO he is behind Woods, Anderson, Olowu, and McGrath.......... can't seem him holding down a regular first team place this season or after Christmas ... unless we have injuries. I hope my opinion is so wide of the mark
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Olowu and McGrath are nowhere near as good a defenders as he is, Anderson is a walking sick note unfortunately, as when fit he is in front of them as a defender and Wood is the best of the lot coming to the end again unfortunately, and Bobby is dangerous from set pieces with three goals already in a short senior football career, (can't wait for him to be experienced), and has been shoved up front in an emergency as he makes things happen in the oppositions penalty area.
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From the few games that i saw him play here i always thought he looked like someone who would of benefitted greatly from some regular game time, its always going to be difficult when you play the odd mins here and there, when you then get used in different positions(because you have that in your makeup) its guaranteed to mess you about. I always remember Jimmy O'Connor getting used in this way, that he was an experienced player helped him but you could see the effect it had on him and the team.
I think he's in the best place for his development at this time, a run of games at a decent level is always important for young players to get some momentum into their game.
When he comes back into the squad he could have a role to play and hit the ground running.
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Olowu and McGrath are nowhere near as good a defenders as he is, Anderson is a walking sick note unfortunately, as when fit he is in front of them as a defender and Wood is the best of the lot coming to the end again unfortunately, and Bobby is dangerous from set pieces with three goals already in a short senior football career, (can't wait for him to be experienced), and has been shoved up front in an emergency as he makes things happen in the oppositions penalty area.
Sorry Selby but the blinkers are on again
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Well Bobby hasn't exactly been injury free has he?
If Selby means Bobby is a better defender in the literal sense of duals, blocks, tackles, headers etc, then I might agree with him but, particularly in the modern game, there's much more required of centre halves, and in that sense, he is behind Olowu and maybe McGrath at the moment.
Bobby does need these run of games to show he can handle his temperament, being a combative, all action, heart of a lion player, he needs to show he can be level headed to get through games without too many bookings and injury whilst holding defensive partnerships together.
What I've seen from the highlights of each game so far, he's doing well. Clearly he, and his defensive partners are developing their understanding at this early stage but he's already shown he'll put his body on the line where others might not (his headed goal being an example) He's won plenty of duals, got blocks in etc. Unfortunately, from the highlights, they rarely show how they play from the back, so his ball playing is difficult to assess.
I really hope he gets through this loan and if he does, everyone will be better for it with so many more games experience.
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Surely the fact that he's out on loan while olowu and McGrath are featuring in pre season puts him further down the pecking order? He can't feature in the next game if he's in Dundalk!
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Take them off then Raven, and you might be able to see the light.
I would have never guessed you wore them until you said Raven
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McCann isn’t a mug, if Bobby was better he’d be 1st choice
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Take them off then Raven, and you might be able to see the light.
I would have never guessed you wore them until you said Raven
You haven't got a great past record with your young protoges
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I think Bobby is the best we have for body on the line defending, what he needs is a good run of consistent football to become better with the ball, the distribution side needs work, this is from a very short spell I have seen him play. I hope it works out.
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So 87% pass completion over three games wants improving jmt, I wish our midfielders could have done that over the last few years, instead of setting the other side away.
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Please realise Selby, most of us are willing it to work out. I haven’t seen loads of him, but that is my view, he often gave the ball away, both under pressure and when not. He wouldn’t be at the club if Grant thought he didn’t have a future.
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So 87% pass completion over three games wants improving jmt, I wish our midfielders could have done that over the last few years, instead of setting the other side away.
Stop it selby, we all want Booby to do well and become a Rovers stalwart but using figures on a league that is barely conference standard is laughable
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So 87% pass completion over three games wants improving jmt, I wish our midfielders could have done that over the last few years, instead of setting the other side away.
Stop it selby, we all want Booby to do well and become a Rovers stalwart but using figures on a league that is barely conference standard is laughable
Come on, DVR. We know he makes a BOOB now and then, but that's a bit harsh.
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Jones and Bobby have gone to a league that is their level. Bobby has more chance of improving because of his age. Whether he can improve enough to get back in our side time will tell. Jones for me is in his last year and will be gone at the end of this season
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Not in the squad. Is he injured?
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Who?
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Faulkner. Jones has started and conceded 2 but Waterford currently 3-2 up.
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Bohemians missed a injury time penalty to level the match