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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on July 05, 2024, 08:27:53 pm
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
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You mean the same Tories who told us to wash our hands more often and don’t let pensioners go on cruises, whilst countries like Germany were already locking down.?
Sure they did some decent things during covid, furlough and vaccine roll outs, but their initial mishandling was chaotic, the PM not attending COBRA meetings - and let’s not forget scandalous PPE contracts and party gate.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
No it means that they have a better understanding of the real world challenges that millions of every day folk face daily.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
And not an ounce of experience between the lot of them.
It's going to be hilarious this.
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You mean the same Tories who told us to wash our hands more often and don’t let pensioners go on cruises, whilst countries like Germany were already locking down.?
Sure they did some decent things during covid, furlough and vaccine roll outs, but their initial mishandling was chaotic, the PM not attending COBRA meetings - and let’s not forget scandalous PPE contracts and party gate.
You'd be the first crying when we were in lockdown.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
After my Dad died, I was 10, Social Services came round offering this and that to help Mam out. One of the things offered was free school meals at the time 6d a day 2/6d a week. My Mam went ballistic there is no way he is having free school meals! Mam worked at Bentley Laundry at the time.
Must have been a bit of stigma about it in the early 60's!
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
Let’s hope power doesn’t make them forget their roots.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
And not an ounce of experience between the lot of them.
It's going to be hilarious this.
You know that's untrue tony, what the gist of it is, is despite their lowly starts they have achieved. Starmer is not going to put someone in cabinet just to watch his back he wants someone that can knuckle down and do a good job.
THey did a good enough job on the tories aye?
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
After my Dad died, I was 10, Social Services came round offering this and that to help Mam out. One of the things offered was free school meals at the time 6d a day 2/6d a week. My Mam went ballistic there is no way he is having free school meals! Mam worked at Bentley Laundry at the time.
Must have been a bit of stigma about it in the early 60's!
I once sold my free dinner tickets to buy some fags and got caught out because we were given big, ugly tickets just to make us stand out a bit more.
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Great, now remember when during the early days the idiotic response to a flu virus those nasty, repellent, spiteful, unkind, horrible Tories gave money to local authorities and told them to put homeless in emergency accommodation immediately. Now Labour CAN do the same this weekend, for the many not just for the few (the sub literal garbage dinghy invaders). As Jobbie O'Brien would ask , why won't they?
Do you want to have a chat about what the last Labour Govt did about homelessness, then what the Tory Govt did?
Have a guess how it goes.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
After my Dad died, I was 10, Social Services came round offering this and that to help Mam out. One of the things offered was free school meals at the time 6d a day 2/6d a week. My Mam went ballistic there is no way he is having free school meals! Mam worked at Bentley Laundry at the time.
Must have been a bit of stigma about it in the early 60's!
Maybe people generally had more pride in those days, whereas they feel more entitled these days.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
After my Dad died, I was 10, Social Services came round offering this and that to help Mam out. One of the things offered was free school meals at the time 6d a day 2/6d a week. My Mam went ballistic there is no way he is having free school meals! Mam worked at Bentley Laundry at the time.
Must have been a bit of stigma about it in the early 60's!
Maybe people generally had more pride in those days, whereas they feel more entitled these days.
Or they didn't like being shamed by ignorant people that have never 'been there' that don't want to look after those doing it tough.
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At our schools in Balby the free tickets were white. We had blue and the teachers had red.
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You mean the same Tories who told us to wash our hands more often and don’t let pensioners go on cruises, whilst countries like Germany were already locking down.?
Sure they did some decent things during covid, furlough and vaccine roll outs, but their initial mishandling was chaotic, the PM not attending COBRA meetings - and let’s not forget scandalous PPE contracts and party gate.
You'd be the first crying when we were in lockdown.
What amazing powers you must have, to know how I may have reacted to something over 4 years ago.!!!
Actually I welcomed lockdown and abided by its rules.. did you.?
Perhaps you should stand back and take a look at what you post and realise what an utter bell end you come over as..
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Over the next few years, every time you want to complain about something this Govt does or doesn't do...
...just remember, Nadine Dorries was once in the Cabinet.
No. Honestly. She really did!
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1809120310458724579
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
i just hope that when the Gaza protesters next put children's shoes on Mrs Starmer's front door they are not made by Timpsons
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
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I was going to say send them to Van Diemen's Land then had a brainwave X-footballers often have problems adjusting to life and often have spare time .
let's take the Leeds area and Armley Prison how can we get some retired X-Leeds Legend* etc to have some input to influence stroke reform
* or some Legend in another area of life ...anyhow it's a starter to make you all think of something better
i just found this when i googled for a prison football team
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-54544047
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Over the next few years, every time you want to complain about something this Govt does or doesn't do...
...just remember, Nadine Dorries was once in the Cabinet.
No. Honestly. She really did!
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1809120310458724579
thats not how it works thou bst, labour have promised change so thats what we want to see
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And they will Bpool.
Without doubt they'll make mistakes. All Cabinets do.
No doubt they'll make suboptimal decisions in moments of crisis. Every Cabinet does.
The point is, what they won't do, ever, is to put someone as patently unsuitable as Dorries in charge of a Department.
Those of you who voted for the freak show that we've just got rid of, remember the standards that you turned a blind eye to before you launch in to criticism of this Cabinet.
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And they will Bpool.
Without doubt they'll make mistakes. All Cabinets do.
No doubt they'll make suboptimal decisions in moments of crisis. Every Cabinet does.
The point is, what they won't do, ever, is to put someone as patently unsuitable as Dorries in charge of a Department.
Those of you who voted for the freak show that we've just got rid of, remember the standards that you turned a blind eye to before you launch in to criticism of this Cabinet.
but last time so many of you voted corbyn does that not make you as bad? Im sure it wont thou? Or maybe people who voted for blair who lied and took the country to a illegal war? Or is that different?
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
I was too and I had to stand in a ‘Special queue’
To get my Dinner Tickets, that certainly focused my mind !
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
After my Dad died, I was 10, Social Services came round offering this and that to help Mam out. One of the things offered was free school meals at the time 6d a day 2/6d a week. My Mam went ballistic there is no way he is having free school meals! Mam worked at Bentley Laundry at the time.
Must have been a bit of stigma about it in the early 60's!
Unfortunately my mother was too ill to work and my younger brother was a right handful! To help her out I accepted the indignity of a School uniform Grant, and having to queue for fee school dinner tickets in the special Queue for us the social underclass!
It certainly focuses your mind!
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
I was too and I had to stand in a ‘Special queue’
To get my Dinner Tickets, that certainly focused my mind !
funny how it turned out aye, not much sympathy for those in the same position now
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Seen better new cabinets in Ikea. And they'll probably last longer.
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Seen better new cabinets in Ikea. And they'll probably last longer.
But extremely popular unlike the stuff you get from the tip-shop
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Seen better new cabinets in Ikea. And they'll probably last longer.
Come to think of it, I dare bet an Ikea cabinet will last longer than a Keir cabinet any day.
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!
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Seen better new cabinets in Ikea. And they'll probably last longer.
Come to think of it, I dare bet an Ikea cabinet will last longer than a Keir cabinet any day.
He's going to Stier to Kalmer waters
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And they will Bpool.
Without doubt they'll make mistakes. All Cabinets do.
No doubt they'll make suboptimal decisions in moments of crisis. Every Cabinet does.
The point is, what they won't do, ever, is to put someone as patently unsuitable as Dorries in charge of a Department.
Those of you who voted for the freak show that we've just got rid of, remember the standards that you turned a blind eye to before you launch in to criticism of this Cabinet.
but last time so many of you voted corbyn does that not make you as bad? Im sure it wont thou? Or maybe people who voted for blair who lied and took the country to a illegal war? Or is that different?
1) What on earth has voting for Corbyn got to do with it? He was the better choice in a two horse race, and certainly didn't have anyone remotely as unqualified as Dorries in his team. (And those of you who are about to scream Dianne Abbott, just stop and think first.)
2) No need to lecture me on Blair and Iraq. I tore up my Labour membership card and voted against Labour in 2005 because of that.
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!
Hopefully individual shop stealing will be reduced with a better society where people can get better access to food. Although !4+ years is too long to wait for dinner wouldn't you say.
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my money for the first sacking (each way) is on
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291653.0
it's an amazing read
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!
I know of someone on a suspended sentence who got caught for similar and given another suspended sentence. So build more prisons or deal with the cause? I hope Labour at least try to deal with inequality and poverty rather than maintain the Tory levels which create crime and cost us all massively. I'm not seeing any firm plans to do this.
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
And not an ounce of experience between the lot of them.
It's going to be hilarious this.
When are we going to introduce a “not like” option on this site?
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
i have always noticed when he is campaigning he continually surrounds himself with women and "feels more at ease nowadays" with them than men
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89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.
Education Secretary had free school meals.
Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.
But yeah. All the same.
does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals
I was too and I had to stand in a ‘Special queue’
To get my Dinner Tickets, that certainly focused my mind !
funny how it turned out aye, not much sympathy for those in the same position now
Really!!! I have spent a great deal of my life helping people out of difficult circumstances sorry to disappoint!
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This appears to be the first time you have shown much compassion sprot, keep it up
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!
Hopefully individual shop stealing will be reduced with a better society where people can get better access to food. Although !4+ years is too long to wait for dinner wouldn't you say.
The folks I came across in my Offender management days, were all driven by addiction to Hard Drugs, they live in a very sinister environment where they are stealing to fund a Drug habit and mainly trying to pay off Drug debts!
The despicable individuals who deal. Them drugs
Think nothing to Stabbing or beating them up and it just doesn’t stop there they also will take it out of innocent family members. You can’t be a Pussycat when you are dealing with Criminals of that calibre!
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Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.
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Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.
Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.
I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!
I know of someone on a suspended sentence who got caught for similar and given another suspended sentence. So build more prisons or deal with the cause? I hope Labour at least try to deal with inequality and poverty rather than maintain the Tory levels which create crime and cost us all massively. I'm not seeing any firm plans to do this.
They will have got a suspended sentence because the prisons are full, but sending someone to prison for 3 months is pointless they use it as respite, run up even greater Drug debt , you actually have to move them to a different part of England when they sign up!
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''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''
nice touch sprot
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''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''
nice touch sprot
Well they paid me well last time! But that was the
Problem they got value for money out of me ,
But there were Hundreds of millions funding the local Government offices, they were all on £50k minimum back in 2010 , plus Councils were literally burning money ie Bradford council got £500k they didn’t know what to do with it so they Hired 19 PA’s one for each of their neighbour hood managers! Who were doing bugger all but earning £100k
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''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''
nice touch sprot
Our new PM has said that he wants to create wealth Syd.
Are you saying he is wrong.
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''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''
nice touch sprot
Well they paid me well last time! But that was the
Problem they got value for money out of me ,
But there were Hundreds of millions funding the local Government offices, they were all on £50k minimum back in 2010 , plus Councils were literally burning money ie daddies got £500k they didn’t know what to do with it so they Hired 19 PA’s one for each of their neighbour hood managers! Who were doing bugger all but earning £100k
Three months and from May 2010 it was all sorted
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Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.
One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,
Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.
Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,
Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.
Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?
A good point! But get ready for the Anti Facist crowd to descend on you!
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,
Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.
Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?
1) The Cabinet has been picked on merit alone.
2) There is no reason at all that we should expect men to have more merit than women.
3) But we still have more male than female MPs.
4) Surprising that you don't focus your ire on that...
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If we are serious about meritocracy, this is a the best news possible.
https://x.com/JAHeale/status/1809459991515931100
5 of the last 6 Old Etonian PMs would be in the bottom reaches of anyone's list of Best PMs.
Johnson.
Cameron
Alec Douglass Home
Anthony Eden
Arthur Balfour.
Eton produces politicians with boundless self confidence in comparison to their actual ability.
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Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.
One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!
Though it's relatively easy to catch people in that cannabis racket. The problem comes when the gangsters running that are deprived of income due to legalisation, and so move onto other drugs, most of which are far, far more damaging than cannabis.
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There are lots of issues to consider, the lack of Heroin is causing dealers to lace it with far more addictive synthetic Drugs,such as Fentanyl ,but the twits you see smoking Spliffs will still get their Cannabis but buy it legally. Cannabis is a massive issue all over the country and it needs sorting, but busting the illegal grow Indy will be incredibly difficult!
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They could save money by supplying certain drugs in nationalised
Surgeries that can control the price and run the illegal drug industry out of town, and add a tax for the national budget.
It is a massive industry that is illegal and makes massive profits that can be controlled medically and can be run by the state and contribute financially to smash the illegal industry and subsidize the prison service.
It is an industry that cannot be stopped in it's entirety but can be controlled as in Holland and fund other things done correctly and the main way of busting the gangs is making the product cheaper than they can supply.
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,
Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.
Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?
1) The Cabinet has been picked on merit alone.
2) There is no reason at all that we should expect men to have more merit than women.
3) But we still have more male than female MPs.
4) Surprising that you don't focus your ire on that...
1) I don't think i mentioned that it hadn't been, but good to see that your on the ball.
2) Im quite sure i never mentioned anything about men having more merit than women!
3) So in effect you think we should have more women MP's because presently we have more men?
4) So you want me to focus my ire on something that i have no control over? all i can say about the situation is that women should continue to put themselves forward, if they are the best candidate for the position i'd be delighted for them to take on the role.
What a strange post to make!
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DD.
My first three points were establishing facts. I find it helps one to draw reliable conclusions if you start from facts.
My fourth point was contrasting the fact that you waded into this discussion telling us how wrong it is to pick on gender (no-one has said we should pick on gender) while you've never raised a squeak about that fact that we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries.
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Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.
One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!
Sprot. With respect, this country already has a huge issue with drug driving. And the huge increase in related accidents and fatalities that brings. Legalising dope would open the door to much more of the same.
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DD.
My first three points were establishing facts. I find it helps one to draw reliable conclusions if you start from facts.
My fourth point was contrasting the fact that you waded into this discussion telling us how wrong it is to pick on gender (no-one has said we should pick on gender) while you've never raised a squeak about that fact that we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries.
See to me your whinge sounds like you and OP are wanting to make concessions because "we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries".
Why should i raise a squeak about what's happened for centuries, its a totally wrong way to look at the issues today anyway. For centuries women tended to be the lead on running the home and rearing the kids rather than go out to work in this country (outside of the world wars)does this not have some bearing on historical imbalances. Its only been the last 50 years or so that women have started to equalise the full time work place.
I'm quite pleased that more women are now making an impression in top roles all across the business world as well as politics. Its also a fact that women are now taking a lead in jobs like teaching and health professionals, all well and good as far as i'm concerned.
My point is that advancement into any role should always be strictly on merit, regardless what happened for centuries, its not happening now and the playing field is a lot more balanced, in some areas its already going the other way (teachers, doctors, HR) we just need to bare that in mind.
If you have the capabilities then you succeed, regardless of your gender.
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And the increase in female MPs and ministers IS on merit. Whereas for decades and centuries, we have effectively been gender biased towards men.
Yet you only raise the gender bias thing now.
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And the increase in female MPs and ministers IS on merit. Whereas for decades and centuries, we have effectively been gender biased towards men.
Yet you only raise the gender bias thing now.
Raised it because it was implied.
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And the increase in female MPs and ministers IS on merit. Whereas for decades and centuries, we have effectively been gender biased towards men.
Yet you only raise the gender bias thing now.
Raised it because it was implied.
Never dawned on me there was any implication of bias.
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
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Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women
And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.
We are moving in the right direction.
Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,
Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.
Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?
I'm not a big fan of 'positive discrimination' either, but I'm even less of a fan of 'negative' discrimination, to coin a phrase.
I don't believe it is right to promote someone on the basis simply of their gender, but as women make up roughly 50% of our population I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a similar % to be reflected in the House of Commons.
Since women were first allowed to stand as MPs back in 1918, it took almost 80 years until there was a 'breakthrough' of sorts, with the 1997 election resulting in women making up 18% of MPs in the HoC.
This was indeed partly as a result of positive discrimination by the Labour Party, but you could argue that's what it took to break the mould.
I feel it's a healthy thing for our Government to have a substantial number of female MPs. I believe they provide a better balance to the national debate, and surely we can only benefit from the particular perspectives they bring.
They are more likely to bring to the fore those issues which disproportionately affect women, such as sexual violence, an issue on which our society has been found wanting in my opinion. Conviction rates for rape cases in the UK are pitifully low at less than 2%.
They are also more likely to maintain a push for equal pay, another issue which has dragged on and on for decades.
Last week's election has delivered an all-time high of 40% female MP's in the HoC.
So yes, I personally believe we are going in the right direction.
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Well put
Padge and apologies Pancho
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Well put Padge
What did Padge say?
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Well put Padge
What did Padge say?
Probably "aye?"
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Wheeling out some of the old guard for positions of influence now.
Jacqui Smith, disgraced former Home Secretary who lied about her home to claim expenses, and also put her husbands porn films on her claim.
Alan Milburn, who has been working in the private health sector, to advise Streeting on bringing private interests into the NHS.
It only needs much disgraced Peter Mandelson to step over the threshold....garlic and crosses at the ready!
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Well put Padge
What did Padge say?
oops
Probably "aye?"
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Israel lobby funded half of Keir Starmer’s cabinet;
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/
What for, I wonder.....investment or philanthropy?
Labour Friends of Israel members, before the GE;
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGSCHDCVXQAAI9bQ.jpg
New recruits still to be added from the latest intake.
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
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Now she can't be sacked (along with Rayner) she can say exactly what she wants when she wants
I have her down as possibly leading the eventual revolt ... there will be a lot of contenders give it time
and this x "Israeli spy merchant" (see below) can do sod all to earn his shekels
F*cking monitor people's free speech on social media when they put a tick or whatever is done on it
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
What do you think of her disgraceful comments about a working class man she didn't even know, Pancho?
It reminded me of Gordon Brown's notorious "bigoted woman" comment, which caused him a lot of unpopularity. I wonder if Starmer bore this in mind when he snubbed her?
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
What do you think of her disgraceful comments about a working class man she didn't even know, Pancho?
It reminded me of Gordon Brown's notorious "bigoted woman" comment, which caused him a lot of unpopularity. I wonder if Starmer bore this in mind when he snubbed her?
SS, would that have been before or after Brown was labelled “a statesman”?
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
What do you think of her disgraceful comments about a working class man she didn't even know, Pancho?
It reminded me of Gordon Brown's notorious "bigoted woman" comment, which caused him a lot of unpopularity. I wonder if Starmer bore this in mind when he snubbed her?
What disgraceful comments were they Steve?
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
What do you think of her disgraceful comments about a working class man she didn't even know, Pancho?
It reminded me of Gordon Brown's notorious "bigoted woman" comment, which caused him a lot of unpopularity. I wonder if Starmer bore this in mind when he snubbed her?
What disgraceful comments were they Steve?
Surely you've not forgotten, Pancho? Bloody hell, she had to quit the Shadow Cabinet over it, as the Labour leader at the time, Ed Miliband, was fuming.
Basically, she took the p*ss out of a working class man's home because it flew the England flag, and had a white van parked outside. She sneered at him on social media, naming him as "typical white van man".
The man said he'd never vote Labour again.
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You must have been beside yourself over johnson's history of comments Steve?
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….. so that makes Thorburys statement ok then Syd?
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You must have been beside yourself over johnson's history of comments Steve?
What the f*ck has Johnson got to do with a thread about the new Labour Cabinet? Why do you always act so bloody daft?
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You must have been beside yourself over johnson's history of comments Steve?
What the f*ck has Johnson got to do with a thread about the new Labour Cabinet? Why do you always act so bloody daft?
It's just an aside Steve get over your self importance
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Gracious exit from Thornbury
............. ''Thornberry does not seem to be getting an alternative job. She has released a statement this morning saying that she is “very sorry and surprised” not to be attorney general, but that Hermer is a “much more accomplished lawyer” than she is''
Guardian live
So the "white van man" gets his revenge.
Hard luck, lardarse. What goes around comes around.
I don't think too many will be upset about her demise.
If the term champagne socialist could be directed against anyone it would set easy with this one.
Totally disagree.
I for one am disappointed that Emily Thornberry hasn’t secured a senior position in this Government.
She is intelligent, articulate and very calm under pressure.
A real asset to the Labour Party and it’s a shame she doesn’t have an influential role in the new Government.
What do you think of her disgraceful comments about a working class man she didn't even know, Pancho?
It reminded me of Gordon Brown's notorious "bigoted woman" comment, which caused him a lot of unpopularity. I wonder if Starmer bore this in mind when he snubbed her?
What disgraceful comments were they Steve?
Surely you've not forgotten, Pancho? Bloody hell, she had to quit the Shadow Cabinet over it, as the Labour leader at the time, Ed Miliband, was fuming.
Basically, she took the p*ss out of a working class man's home because it flew the England flag, and had a white van parked outside. She sneered at him on social media, naming him as "typical white van man".
The man said he'd never vote Labour again.
I don't remember her making any disgraceful comments Steve, I just recall she tweeted a photo of the house and the van.
Very clumsy, and she had the decency to resign over it.
It was ten years ago.
But I agree, this heinous crime probably scared Keir Starmer into not offering her a job.
Oh, and for those who label her a 'Champagne Socialist', I believe she came from humble beginnings and grew up in a council house.
Anyway, I still maintain she has a lot to offer and it's a shame she hasn't got a role in the new Cabinet.