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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: richtherover on September 21, 2024, 05:44:24 pm
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I don't think I've seen a worse refereeing performance, and believe me I've seen a few. Clifton's first yellow debatable, the second surely just a calm down talking to. The game was 10 minutes old FFS and so killed as a contest. There were dozens of worse challenges during the game, all missed. I hate VAR but my God the standard of refereeing at our level is just laughable. Great battling performance by the lads who could easily have folded. Below par overall but will take a point and move on. Thought Grant was going to get a red too at one stage. Can we please just have some consistency, which is not consistently bad. RTID
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He wasn’t great to say the least, but we’ve had worse. I really can’t though ever remember us having a player sent off in 9mins with two yellows. Maybe a straight red perhaps? This must be a record for two bookings though. History surely made today.
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I don't think I've seen a worse refereeing performance, and believe me I've seen a few. Clifton's first yellow debatable, the second surely just a calm down talking to. The game was 10 minutes old FFS and so killed as a contest. There were dozens of worse challenges during the game, all missed. I hate VAR but my God the standard of refereeing at our level is just laughable. Great battling performance by the lads who could easily have folded. Below par overall but will take a point and move on. Thought Grant was going to get a red too at one stage. Can we please just have some consistency, which is not consistently bad. RTID
First yellow debatable? What planet are you on. Was 110% a booking. Got nowhere near the ball. As for the 2nd again can’t really argue with a yellow but you would like to think the ref could have just had a word considering it was only 10 minutes in.
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I said that’s a booking before the ref branded it so I won’t argue that one. The 2nd one I thought it was a shocking decision. I haven’t seen it back yet but feel he couldn’t wait to send him off! No final warning, no nothing. It infuriating. I’ll not be biased either, I thought their red was really harsh too and certainly not a straight red. Looking forward to seeing them back but the game was definitely spoiled by a hot headed referee.
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First yellow card was 100% a yellow card. The second one was neither here nor there but why on earth he gave the ref even the sense there was something to do decide, I do not know.
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He wasn’t great to say the least, but we’ve had worse. I really can’t though ever remember us having a player sent off in 9mins with two yellows. Maybe a straight red perhaps? This must be a record for two bookings though. History surely made today.
We had a player sent off at Rushden and Diamonds years ago very early on but can’t remember if it was red or two yellows
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That was Mark Hume in the FA Cup tie. Straight red after three mins.
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That was Mark Hume in the FA Cup tie. Straight red after three mins.
It was the same game Sutherland t**tted their Centre forward
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McCann agreed with first yellow. Said no complaints. Second one he thought was a joke.
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Apart from the red cards, how the challenge on Mollyneux on the edge of the box near the end wasn't at least a foul beggars belief.
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2 yellows all day long.
Clifton needs a word in his ear. You could tell after his first stupid challenge his head was bursting, zero surprise he luges in a second time. The angle the ref gets makes it look possibly worse than it was, but Christ why do that when on a yellow.
Well done to the rest of the lads who hung in at 1-0 when their lad was equally as stupid.
From then on it was all Rovers and unfortunate not to nick it at the end with an absolute bullet of a header from McGrath.
Subs all did really well too. Olowu totally threw them charging forward ala Ryan Giggs!
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I said that’s a booking before the ref branded it so I won’t argue that one. The 2nd one I thought it was a shocking decision. I haven’t seen it back yet but feel he couldn’t wait to send him off! No final warning, no nothing. It infuriating. I’ll not be biased either, I thought their red was really harsh too and certainly not a straight red. Looking forward to seeing them back but the game was definitely spoiled by a hot headed referee.
I wrote on another thread earlier that refs seem to be very reluctant to second yellow players.
There was a game last week in which the ref yellow carded 14 players but didn’t get round to dishing out a second one to anyone.
This ref today seemed to want to make it all about himself.
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Fairly straight forward two yellows. Good decision for the red card as well.
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I raise you Ed Duckworth at home to Swindon last season!!!
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I raise you Ed Duckworth at home to Swindon last season!!!
I will match your Duckworth and raise you with Mick Russell.
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The second one is never a yellow in a million years
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2 clear yellow cards
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3 Rovers players all very close by…..no complaints from any of them. Just Clifton waving his arms around, perhaps whoever pumped him up needs a word too
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Never a yellow card that second one. Jesus, the ref couldn’t wait to get his cards out.
And I don’t understand why we didn’t get that 95th min corner, their keeper had hold of the ball for half of injury time!
Thought MK Dons were shite, and very lucky to have had 12 men today.
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Never a yellow card that second one. Jesus, the ref couldn’t wait to get his cards out.
And I don’t understand why we didn’t get that 95th min corner, their keeper had hold of the ball for half of injury time!
Thought MK Dons were shite, and very lucky to have had 12 men today.
The 5 mins injury time was a serious joke. Embarrassing.
Both teams had 3 separate substitution stoppages. The trainer was on twice for a min each time.
MK Dons keeper took 30 seconds at least to take multiple goal kicks and was deliberately wasting time.
After the 2022 World Cup where injury times were often 10 to 15 mins this was continued into the domestic game in England but it only lasted about 2 months at the most. WHY?
Today there should have been at least 10 mins. Most games there should be 8 mins plus.
I just don’t understand why this isn’t being implemented.
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I don't think I've seen a worse refereeing performance, and believe me I've seen a few. Clifton's first yellow debatable, the second surely just a calm down talking to. The game was 10 minutes old FFS and so killed as a contest. There were dozens of worse challenges during the game, all missed. I hate VAR but my God the standard of refereeing at our level is just laughable. Great battling performance by the lads who could easily have folded. Below par overall but will take a point and move on. Thought Grant was going to get a red too at one stage. Can we please just have some consistency, which is not consistently bad. RTID
First yellow debatable? What planet are you on. Was 110% a booking. Got nowhere near the ball. As for the 2nd again can’t really argue with a yellow but you would like to think the ref could have just had a word considering it was only 10 minutes in.
I'm on the same planet as you of course. Harsh tackle but that early in the game surely just a warning. Once he's decided to start flashing the cards early he's set out his stall, "I'm in charge", but my point is that after that there were far worse things that went unpunished. In my day, (oh no I hear you say), if a player stayed down you knew he was hurt. Watching today's players rolling around, slapping the turf and screaming for an opponent to be booked is pathetic. Clifton was probably a bit clumsy with the first tackle but to reduce the team to 10 men after 10 minutes was pathetic. We're not talking Vinnie Jones here.
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There’s as many saying two clear yellows as there are saying second challenge never a yellow in a million years. Were you all at the same game? Next question is - why were there no further sets of 2 yellow’s? MKD seemed to be doing just as much fouling, according to the stats (Moly incident mentioned already).
Imho, the answer is straightforward - the refs are consistent, consistently sh1t at this level. And they want respect? Do me a favour!
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Even the mk dons manager said it was very soft
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Not having the second one, really soft for me. Foul but not a card.
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Referee spoiled the game, The first one was very late and clumsy and deserved the yellow but the second one was very poor, if that deserved a yellow then they should of ended the match with 7 men each.
I thought the straight red for Harrison was also over the top, same again if that was a straight red then we should of had a handful in the game. Mols was taken out at least four times to poor tackles with no sight of a card.
The refs at this level are really a problem, its either too lenient or too severe, they struggle to get anywhere near a consistent performance. Today's joker was very poor, ruined the match.
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That was Mark Hume in the FA Cup tie. Straight red after three mins.
Yeah but that was as straight a red as you'll ever see.
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Was it a tackle worth ‘chancing’ in that section of the pitch minutes after you’ve received a yellow?
Clifton let his teammates & travelling supporters down today with a couple of Sunday League ‘tackles’.
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Was it a tackle worth ‘chancing’ in that section of the pitch minutes after you’ve received a yellow?
Clifton let his teammates & travelling supporters down today with a couple of Sunday League ‘tackles’.
I'd have him in the next match available playing in exactly the same manner(bar the bookings)
He demonstrates the type of tempo and aggression that we want our side to show every week,.
He'll be near the top of player of the season by the end of the year.
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Happy to accept the first one was worth a yellow. I couldn't see it well from where I was.
But after the second challenge, the ref has to be asking himself "Is the sum total of those two challenges really worth making this a 11v10 game?"
Awful, awful decision. And even worse was his decision to send Harrison off. There'd be a red card every other game if you always sent off players for challenges like that.
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Was it a tackle worth ‘chancing’ in that section of the pitch minutes after you’ve received a yellow?
Clifton let his teammates & travelling supporters down today with a couple of Sunday League ‘tackles’.
I'd have him in the next match available playing in exactly the same manner(bar the bookings)
He demonstrates the type of tempo and aggression that we want our side to show every week,.
He'll be near the top of player of the season by the end of the year.
I’d never choose tempo over skill, ability, vision, technique, pace or desire.
And as a consequence, Clifton is proving that, out of our eight midfielders, he’s eighth best at the moment. Loose passing, crap first touch. Often chasing play. But shows ‘tempo’… or a lack of composure and rushed decision making as I see it. Player of the season?! He needs to do a lot in the remaining games.
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There’s as many saying two clear yellows as there are saying second challenge never a yellow in a million years. Were you all at the same game? Next question is - why were there no further sets of 2 yellow’s? MKD seemed to be doing just as much fouling, according to the stats (Moly incident mentioned already).
Imho, the answer is straightforward - the refs are consistent, consistently sh1t at this level. And they want respect? Do me a favour!
I agree that there are far far far too many Refs who give a Yellow and then try ANYTHING not to give a Second Yellow. IF an offence is a Yellow Card in the first ten seconds then they should give a Yellow
Then if any subsequent fouls are deemed to also be a Yellow that too should be given as a Yellow followed by a Red because the Individual Player is cheating and by not giving a Second Yellow they are handing free hits , fouls , holds and time wasting opportunities to that Player
99% of the time this second Yellow is being avoided by the Refs and its about time the Assessors got on their case. I remember last Season I am sure at home. We were being persistently clogged and a Player on a Yellow went through one of our Players right in front of the Dug outs but instead of producing a Second Yellow the Ref (and he knew he was doing this) waited with the injured Player before stalking upfield and imo deliberately choosing the wrong Player and read him the riot act and I think a Yellow which he didnt protest about
Tying in with the Title "In all my years" Ive never seen anything like that
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Whether the second is a yellow or not, isn’t really the point, to an extent. Clifton gave the referee a decision to make which should never have been presented so soon after a booking. Utterly amateurish and he’s single handedly undone a whole week’s worth of work and preparation inside 9 mins. In the end we got a draw, but that’s not really the point is it.
For me, the jury is still out on him. He’s a down grade on biggins in my opinion. Grimsby fans didn’t kick up too much of a fuss when he joined us, which probably says all you need to know.
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Was it a tackle worth ‘chancing’ in that section of the pitch minutes after you’ve received a yellow?
Clifton let his teammates & travelling supporters down today with a couple of Sunday League ‘tackles’.
I'd have him in the next match available playing in exactly the same manner(bar the bookings)
He demonstrates the type of tempo and aggression that we want our side to show every week,.
He'll be near the top of player of the season by the end of the year.
I’d never choose tempo over skill, ability, vision, technique, pace or desire.
And as a consequence, Clifton is proving that, out of our eight midfielders, he’s eighth best at the moment. Loose passing, crap first touch. Often chasing play. But shows ‘tempo’… or a lack of composure and rushed decision making as I see it. Player of the season?! He needs to do a lot in the remaining games.
None would ever choose to not have skill, ability, vision, technique, and pace in their side.
However if you lack the application of any of the above then you are a siting duck. When this happens you had better hope you have players with tempo and aggression, because otherwise you are going to get hammered by the other side with the afore mentioned attributes.
Yesterday after Clifton got sent off we struggled against a quite mediocre side because we lacked the application of tempo and aggression to go with our skill, ability, vision, and technique players.
When they got their player sent off and we regrouped with our re-organisation guess what got us back into the game, yes it was tempo and aggression from players like Olowu and McGrath
Pace unfortunately is a rare commodity in our club so we don't base our game around it.
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Well done Oliver Man City v Arse for defying what I posted above .
He gave a Yellow and then a few Mins later dished a 2nd out to Trossard for booting ball away
Most Refs would have found a compromise so hats off for that Oliver but overall you were still s+++