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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Spud on November 16, 2024, 04:58:22 pm
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Very worrying, once they scored I think we all predicted nothing but a loss. It almost feels like a point gained in the end, it has to come good if we're gonna be in the mix come the end of the season.
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In almost half of our league games this season (7 out of 16), we’ve gone behind. That’s really poor. We’re giving ourselves too much to do and as it stands we’re not good enough to do it.
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We’ve not been great today but last 2 home games came from behind and got a point. These could be important points come the end of the season
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I agree the home form is terrible but we would’ve lost games like and Notts county in the last few seasons. We gained a point and moved up to 3rd, however we must beat Carlisle if we are to keep pace with Port Vale.
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Can we play all our games away? We are so frustrating and disappointing at home
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Again I don't think we had the best of luck today - hit the post twice, and had a goal disallowed (direct from a corner) and couldn't see too much wrong - but need to see replays.
Also there was a case for one of their players seeing Red in the first half
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It’s laughable now and McCann is 100% to blame. Every team we have played has been a carbon copy. We go behind or we wait for the team to score before the shackles come off. It’s beyond annoying. I thought when we lost to Bromley he would see sense but its carried on and teams are wise to it. It’s a joke how good we look away and now you have to say we have dropped 4pts in the last 2 games.
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Game panned out as I thought it might.
We needed to score 1st
We should have done.
It will come good at home. We have far too much ability in this team for it not to happen.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Are you serious?
We have 30 games to play
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
Yes I am serious. Just stating facts anyone can see looking at the table.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Are you serious?
We have 30 games to play
Yes I am serious. Just stating facts anyone can see looking at the table.
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Game panned out as I thought it might.
We needed to score 1st
We should have done.
It will come good at home. We have far too much ability in this team for it not to happen.
I hope you're right Camps, it's just so frustrating, we have so much apparent arranging talent but rarely test the visiting keepers.
I'll keep the faith, surely we'll click soon.
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We're set up to counter attack. You can't counter when teams don't attack. That's why it works away from home as teams are expected to attack when they are at home. We can beat decent teams at home as they turn up to play football, but when shithouses like Salford or Bromley turn up and stick 11 behind the ball, we don't have the initiative to break them down.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have a negative outlook like you.
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But we will improve. My worry is we just are not ruthless in front of goal. Glorious chances missed again today.
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Things will get better,we are joint second at the moment .
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
Have you ever seen your post history? Don’t get me wrong I’ve had my moments in the past but you take the biscuit.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
The current position is we are third and in the automatic spots.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
The current position is we are third and in the automatic spots.
Exactly and we are only playing at 70%
When we really click, well watch this space I think is the phrase.
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Welcome back Michael
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The fact is we are not clinical enough in front of goal.
Sort that out and we will be flying.
If those two attempts that hit the post had gone in then it would have been all hunky dory.
They didn’t of course. Small margins this game is but if we learn to be ruthless in the 1st half of games then we will win the vast majority.
90 points to play for.
We will get 62 or more points from the next 30 games. Very confident, not deluded just confident in this group of players to deliver.
We will see.
I will hold my hands up if I am wrong in May.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Why are you picking on a player who played well today?
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
The current position is we are third and in the automatic spots.
Exactly and we are only playing at 70%
When we really click, well watch this space I think is the phrase.
I hope you're right. Whilst I don't buy in to the panic/negativity, I think the talk of "only being at x%" on a few threads this season is a bit misplaced as well as it's not ineveitable that things will click and we'll go on a run. To get automatic you need a bit of flat track bully about you.
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Maybe it’s just me but even though I should be disappointed with the way the game turned out I’m not particularly for two reasons….
I love watching this team play, frustrating a bit yes, but they are so easy on the eye. Also I have an overwhelming sense that eventually, and fairly soon, everything is going to really click into place. I feel we are close to that happening.
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Not scored more than once in a home league match since the Accrington game at the start of the season.
Rovers simply don't score enough goals at home.
It's not through lack of trying.
The quality when they get into the final third just isn't there at the moment.
26 touches in the penalty area today. More than enough to win any game.
But 23 of those touches were poor to atrocious - wrong decision made and/or not taking responsibility.
Very frustrating.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
The current position is we are third and in the automatic spots.
Exactly and we are only playing at 70%
When we really click, well watch this space I think is the phrase.
I hope you're right. Whilst I don't buy in to the panic/negativity, I think the talk of "only being at x%" on a few threads this season is a bit misplaced as well as it's not ineveitable that things will click and we'll go on a run. To get automatic you need a bit of flat track bully about you.
It would be useful if people could identify where the extra 30% is coming from. For all his effort, Ironside seems to get stifled now by close marking and Molyneux takes on men when he would be better passing the ball. In contrast, Sharp finds space.
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Not scored more than once in a home league match since the Accrington game at the start of the season.
Rovers simply don't score enough goals at home.
It's not through lack of trying.
The quality when they get into the final third just isn't there at the moment.
26 touches in the penalty area today. More than enough to win any game.
But 23 of those touches were poor to atrocious - wrong decision made and/or not taking responsibility.
Very frustrating.
That’s what’s really frustrating for me. So often a player goes for a shot, cross or pass that’s not on when there’s a much better option available.
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Very worrying, once they scored I think we all predicted nothing but a loss. It almost feels like a point gained in the end, it has to come good if we're gonna be in the mix come the end of the season.
Chasing games from behind at home is a demonstration of how we’re not punishing teams when we have the opportunity. Strikers need to be more efficient and get shots off more .
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One for the stattos;
It feels like we're not giving many chances away but when we do, a goal often results. Is that reflected in the stats?
Also, we don't seem to be getting shots away, off target or on target despite seemingly dominating possession and attacking territory.
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Port Vale have now crept 5 points ahead. Crewe are equal with a game in hand, and Walsall are only 1 point behind and have 2 games in hand. We are looking at being only play-off potential again and we know how that ended last season.
We need to stop conceding the first goal so often and we need Ironside to find the back of the net more often. His goal tally so far is not good enough to finish in top 3.
Answer me, were we play off potential after 16 games last season? It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish as Grant always says.
Only a fool would think we can finish every season like we finished last season. That broke 50 year records.
Based on current performance we are unlikely to finish top 3.
Only a fool would have negative outlook like you.
I'm not negative, just stating facts anyone can see. i just state the current position. We MAY improve and can only wait and see. But we do need to be more ruthless and chances are wasted as BFYP says.
The current position is we are third and in the automatic spots.
Exactly and we are only playing at 70%
When we really click, well watch this space I think is the phrase.
I hope you're right. Whilst I don't buy in to the panic/negativity, I think the talk of "only being at x%" on a few threads this season is a bit misplaced as well as it's not ineveitable that things will click and we'll go on a run. To get automatic you need a bit of flat track bully about you.
It would be useful if people could identify where the extra 30% is coming from. For all his effort, Ironside seems to get stifled now by close marking and Molyneux takes on men when he would be better passing the ball. In contrast, Sharp finds space.
The extra 30% is the decision making in and around the penalty area and ultimately sticking the ball in the onion bag.
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We are mainly poor in the 1st half of games, & today was no different, lacklustre, predictable, not moving the ball quick enough, poor balls into the box. It's like we need something to fire us up in the 1st half of games. Don't know if it's a mental or a confidence thing, but it has to change. Can't keep relying on our away form. Well done to the players coming back for the point again, but it shouldn't be coming to that at home.
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We are mainly poor in the 1st half of games, & today was no different, lacklustre, predictable, not moving the ball quick enough, poor balls into the box. It's like we need something to fire us up in the 1st half of games. Don't know if it's a mental or a confidence thing, but it has to change. Can't keep relying on our away form. Well done to the players coming back for the point again, but it shouldn't be coming to that at home.
Agreed we are starting games badly at home.
We don’t seem capable of going for the kill from the first whistle.
I can barely recall many saves the opposition keeper has made these last 2 games.
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Did we not create a chance in 1st few minutes today for Ironside?
Gibson clean through miss controls
2 or 3 blocked shots but you're right we don't go for the kill from the off
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Living in Cov I have managed to get up for Morecombe, Bromley, Chesterfield, Notts and Salford. Saw us away at Newport and Everton.
Apart from the county second half and Everton away, what I have seen is very poor.
Take today. When Ironside is playing we play a lot of long ball from the back. Didn't work. When we went with width in the first 15th it was working...but we stumbled to their level. We can be sloppy at times. We let teams shoot from distance. A lot of our shots don't have any menace. It's been frustrating and today was not enjoyable.
We need to improve alot to go up. Salford were poor and we matched them
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I have to add, Coventry, Salford were aided by a very unsuitable referee - he let them get away with murder. To add insult to injury, he booked a couple of our players for hardly anything, by comparison. I don’t know how the hell they finished the game with 11 players!
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For me it’s the formation which is causing the problems ie 1 up front and 2 wide players.
The opposing two centre halves generally deal with our 1 central striker. Also one of them will be available to assist the full back with our wide players.
Add to this, we don’t seem to be getting the required end product from our wide players. (Thought Josh was off the mark again today)
My opinion would be we start with Joe and Billy plus Mols.
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One for the stattos;
It feels like we're not giving many chances away but when we do, a goal often results. Is that reflected in the stats?
Also, we don't seem to be getting shots away, off target or on target despite seemingly dominating possession and attacking territory.
At home we have conceded about the amount of goals we should have. The other end is the issue.
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Living in Cov I have managed to get up for Morecombe, Bromley, Chesterfield, Notts and Salford. Saw us away at Newport and Everton.
Apart from the county second half and Everton away, what I have seen is very poor.
Take today. When Ironside is playing we play a lot of long ball from the back. Didn't work. When we went with width in the first 15th it was working...but we stumbled to their level. We can be sloppy at times. We let teams shoot from distance. A lot of our shots don't have any menace. It's been frustrating and today was not enjoyable.
We need to improve alot to go up. Salford were poor and we matched them
Totally agree with that. I don't understand why when we get a bit of momentum going, we don't seem to be able to sustain the play that creates those good openings. Why did we insist in going long and playing into their hands by making it scrappy?
Sterry and Fleming looked really sharp in the opening quarter. We have good ball players in Kelly and Hurst, yet we started by-passing them. We had them on the stretch when they were giving fouls away so that should be the incentive to carry on playing the ball on the deck. But then, we send Ironside 80 yards up the pitch for TSL to launch kicks up to him, yet our midfield stays 25 to 30 yards back and we don't get on to the second balls.
Whether it's experience or application, we don't seem to have the collective intelligence to impose our game at home, allowing the away team to play on their terms.
Yes, there maybe issues why we're not showing the desired quality in the final third, but today I thought our problems stemmed from being lazy in thought. We became like headless chickens relying on hope. Bailey was poor today, he should be imposing himself more by demanding the ball off McGrath or Olowu more often to get the team moving, bringing Kelly and Hurst unto play.
Also to add, Ironside is too static, too often content to wrestle with his marker, rather than try to make runs to get sway from him. Contrast with Billy who makes runs and busts a gut to get free.
I'm really miffed as to what the game plan was today and I'm a bit surprised McCann has rolled out the same excuse today about the quality in the final third. Not often I disagree with him. First time I felt angry about the way we allowed the game to develop. Still, it's a game of football and we haven't lost.
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We have gone backwards from that team that went on that fantastic winning streak last season. Adelakun gave us so much threat in the attacking areas and he would have made a difference today (thankfully he was not back in their side today). Also Matty Craig, who gave us so much in that midfield during that run - that’s not to say that Kelly isn’t doing it, rather the 3rd player in midfield is missing. GM has tried Hurst, Close, Clifton, S’Barra and Westbrook but there is no-one that has really staked a claim, for one reason or another.
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It’s funny that McCann can say :-
"I've said it for a few weeks now, particularly at home, we're just not clinical enough. We're not taking our chances and it's not good enough for us. This is why I said we're nowhere near where we need to be. It's ok be good in the defensive third and middle third but we need to be better at the top end of the pitch. It's hard to put our finger on it. We do a lot of attacking phase work in training but it's about doing it out there (on the pitch). For us to score 22 goals after 16 games isn't good enough. It's not promotion form. We need to be scoring 80, 90 goals over a season to get promoted and at the moment we're not doing that so there's a lot of work to do.”
Yet if I say exactly the same I am talking rubbish. That’s why I have so little respect for some on this site.
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It took nearly 75 minutes before we had a shot on target, if Rovers are to get automatic promotion we need to be beating mid-table sides easily, they are not going to do that with that sort of form. Either there is something wrong up front, or the connection between midfield and the two very good forwards we have is not working properly, I suspect it is the latter, and GM needs to work on that. Our forwards are not getting the balls to convert, the wingers are trying to be the sole strike force.
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We can be more "clinical" as some highlight as well as "luckier" as others say but we could also benefit from a solid Refereeing performance
The last 2 draws at home "might" have ended differently if the 2 penalties v Notts County had been given and the DOGSO enforced and them down to 10 men
Goals change games is the adage and true we still had to score from the spot but we'll never know
Yesterday the crowd are baying off off off at their No 10 and Ref produces a Yellow. That was for him cheating.
He repeated almost the same cheating method a few minutes later and at least 4 more challenges before half time. The last one imo was in the context of the game a clear Yellow ( was it Moly he upended in from of East Stand Lino)
He's spent 40 plus minutes cheating and the Ref should have seen that for what it was and sent him off .
Hitting posts can be classed as unlucky but there are other factors like the Referee applying the laws of the game of which persistent fouling is one , and one which could ( I will only say could ) have led to different outcomes in both the last 2 home games
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It’s funny that McCann can say :-
"I've said it for a few weeks now, particularly at home, we're just not clinical enough. We're not taking our chances and it's not good enough for us. This is why I said we're nowhere near where we need to be. It's ok be good in the defensive third and middle third but we need to be better at the top end of the pitch. It's hard to put our finger on it. We do a lot of attacking phase work in training but it's about doing it out there (on the pitch). For us to score 22 goals after 16 games isn't good enough. It's not promotion form. We need to be scoring 80, 90 goals over a season to get promoted and at the moment we're not doing that so there's a lot of work to do.”
Yet if I say exactly the same I am talking rubbish. That’s why I have so little respect for some on this site.
If he thinks we are creating enough at home for a side with aspirations of winning the league he’s wrong. That’s a fact.
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It’s not like McCann is sat on his arse and avoiding trying to adapt. Pretty much every home game he changes set up and personnel in second half to try and adapt to the away side setting up in a sense low block that we can’t get behind. It doesn’t always work but he’s not a patient man. It looks maybe too simple but when away sides do this (pretty much all of them) we need more weight in midfield of player who can play through them. He started with Hurst as a #10 yesterday to do that and then brought on Sbarra to do that. Maybe he plays with just Bailey sitting and played Hurst and Sbarra together behind the #9?
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I know GM wants the front 5 or 6 to play with freedom but to me a lot them look very uptight. Is there a fear that not only they will lose a starting spot in the next game but they will get hooked at 60 minutes. Possibly a reverse mental situation of a player becoming too comfortable in a smaller squad.
Gibson and Hurst are a 1 good game in 6 type player, molly 1 in 4, Sbarra even less.
Sharp should have had at least 5 or 6 more goals but he's been snatching at chances that he's made a career out of. Is this also a case of him being uptight because he knows he'll usually get subbed on 60 minutes.
Ironside just hasn't had a run of games to get any kind form going.
The midfield is never settled as its being rotated from match to match.
The only consistent area is GK, centre backs and right back. Although from thd games I've been to, most goals conceded come from the right back area.
Last season, once injuries settled down and we added a bit of quality we had a consistent starting eleven and results obviously improved.
Going back to the strikers, I've said it before but playing a lone striker doesn't work at this level, they are too isolated if the 3 behind them are not at the top of their game.
I'd like to simplify the formation to either a 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2 and have a ball winner and a ball player in midfield.
Are Sharp and Ironside too slow to partner each other? Not sure but the pace surely comes from out wide?
Sheringham,Shearer
Sheringham, Solksear (sp?)
Shearer, Ferdinand
Shearer, Sutton
Those partnerships were not blessed with real pace.
Saying all that, overall we have to be happy that we are pushing for promotion, there's just that little part of wanting see and paying for exciting football.
January will be interesting, I think there's a handful that need to be moved on to free up some squad space.
Edit; I think my post is more suited to the "when it clicks " thread.
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In my opinion.
The front three were the main reason for our form last season. We’ve weakened that.
Haks was unbelievable for us not just for what he brought himself, but he freed Mols up too.
Gibson is not at that level. So we’re weaker on the left and Mols isn’t firing at the moment.
Ironside second half of last season was surely in the top 3 strikers in the league. His position didn’t need to come under threat.
So now that position is weaker as we’re chopping and changing him and Sharp, neither are performing to Ironside level last year.
To me all this “not clinical enough” in the final third is hardly surprising, its weaker!
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I don't get the uproar about yesterday. I enjoyed the game.
Last week we should have had 2 penalties, one in the final minutes that would've given a chance to win the game.
Yesterday we could've scored in the first minute, literally 1 or 2 inches away. We had what seemed a perfectly fine goal disallowed, Gibson hits inside of post and it bounces straight to keeper, Billy hits post.
We just aren't having the rub of the green.
The only thing I'm frustrated with is the result. I think it is beginning to click.
I also think starting with Ironside and Billy coming in fresh for 30 mins looks better than the other way around.
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Salford are a very tough away side. They’ve gone to Chesterfield, Bradford and Crewe and drawn in all of those games. Nobody impartial watching that would have said anything other than us being the best side. It’s not great we are struggling repeatedly at home, but Salford yesterday was not a team of mugs away from home. Far from that.
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Let's not go down the road of wishing we still had ex players etc, the players we have are good enough. They have already shown in patches what we can do when we're on it.
There has to be a psychological reason why we stop doing what was working in games, and resort to becoming hesitant, taking easy options to launch balls forward instead of playing through the lines. Of course, mix things up a bit but generally if we get some success as we did in the first 10 mins or so, keep the foot on the gas. Maybe it's belief or confidence thinking they can't keep it up?
Just another small example. Last week Ironside scored a great headed goal from a whipped in cross from Sterry. Not once did we try to replicate that. We took extra touches, we tried to play one-twos, seemingly making things more complicated than necessary to get the ball into the danger zone.
The frustrating thing is, we're not miles away from where we need to be to win more games. It's opportunities being missed to punish our opponents when we're on top. We are our own worst enemies.
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Hurst could be so much more effective if he could build his physicality, he just gets brushed off the ball too easily when in promising positions.
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I know stats can be turned to suit different agendas but......
In our last 4 home games we have had 135 touches in the oppositions penalty area resulting in 3 goals!!!!
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Hurst could be so much more effective if he could build his physicality, he just gets brushed off the ball too easily when in promising positions.
In this context what future can you see for Sabarra?
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The lack of movement when we are in possession is a real concern for me. Just static for most of the time. Sbarra only been on the pitch a few mins and he made that great run to set Sharp up. Corner routine as mentioned in another thread is also a concern. Just a high flighted cross which is so easy for the opposition to defend.
Need to back to last seasons routine, we looked far more dangerous playing it short.
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Hurst could be so much more effective if he could build his physicality, he just gets brushed off the ball too easily when in promising positions.
In this context what future can you see for Sabarra?
Unlikely that he will play at a higher level than L2
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Ironside second half of last season was surely in the top 3 strikers in the league. His position didn’t need to come under threat.
Yes.
I would have signed a younger more mobile version of Ironside as a back up, who could have overtaken him in the future to become first choice for L1. (That wasn’t Miller btw).
But now we have this weird power struggle dynamic with two senior should-be-first-choice strikers who are completely different types of player.
Like for like replacements for Adelakun and Craig were more important than resigning Billy for the vibes.
Just my opinion.
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Hurst could be so much more effective if he could build his physicality, he just gets brushed off the ball too easily when in promising positions.
In this context what future can you see for Sabarra?
Unlikely that he will play at a higher level than L2
He has already 18 Championship games and 31 League One games under his belt before Burton released him. Hes got plenty of time to work his way back up again.
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I’m actually looking forward to Zain returning. I think he actually brings a lot to our midfield. Paired with Kelly, I think that looks solid.
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Salford are a very tough away side. They’ve gone to Chesterfield, Bradford and Crewe and drawn in all of those games. Nobody impartial watching that would have said anything other than us being the best side. It’s not great we are struggling repeatedly at home, but Salford yesterday was not a team of mugs away from home. Far from that.
Bet the ball was only in Play for 30.minutes in each game
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Don’t rate Zain either, too negative and only wants to pass either side to side or back, just my opinion like !
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We struggle at home because we don’t control the game like a title contending home team should.
Zain would offer more control than Bailey but it’s whether you value that more than defensive solidity.
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
It is often difficult to see tight offsides from the South Stand.
In fact, can you even be in line with the action from the South Stand.
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No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
Good to see any player running to the bye line and put in a cross instead coming inside and either shooting or laying the ball off
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From the South Stand I thought it looked like JS had timed his run perfectly. Impossible to tell in reality though. Seemed like one of those where the defence step up when the ball is played so when it arrived he looked a mile off but might have actually been on.
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
Maybe he was as far offside as you thought Gibson was at Grimsby.
So onside really.
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
Maybe he was a far offside as you thought Gibson was at Grimsby.
So onside really.
3 miles or 5 yards???
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
We looked as the ball was played and he looked onside with a well timed run. We weren’t in line but were in the West Stand so a bit nearer than you were.
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Joe Sbarra is also the best corner taker in the team.
If he wasn't so easy to knock off the ball he'd be starting more games IMO.
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SS, yes, he drives the ball with pace into the central six yard box area, rather than floating the ball in which is much easier to defend.
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We seem to have a big problem against sides who play low block against us.
Last year the problem was the high pressure, but we are dealing with that. Press us high and we have the ability to play straight through you either with Hurst in a deep No10 or playing diagonal balls out to the wingers.
But play a low block and we just seem to hammer up against it without having the nous or the physicality to unlock it.
Bit of hindsight here, and it would have been a hell of a selection decision, but I think starting with Hurst yesterday was a mistake. He was phenomenal in the previous two games, where Bradford and Notts C pressed us high and he was able to exploit the gaps that left.
But he just didn't get that space yesterday.
No coincidence that the more straightforward runs through the back line from Sbarra immediately opened up their defence.
(Although, wasn't he a yard offside? Looked it to us, in line with the action in the South Stand.)
We looked as the ball was played and he looked onside with a well timed run. We weren’t in line but were in the West Stand so a bit nearer than you were.
Sorry. I was in the West Stand not the South. Total brain fart there.
If he was onside, I'm happy to accept I read it wrong. There were a dozen around me though who all thought he was well off.