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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Sammy Chung was King on April 13, 2025, 04:11:41 am
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Rovers
Salford win
Tranmere win
Colchester win
Bradford win
Notts County draw
Port Vale
Carlisle Lose
Grimsby win
Wimbledon draw
Gillingham win
Bradford
Notts County draw
Chesterfield win
Rovers Lose
Fleetwood win
Walsall
Harrogate draw
Newport lose
Accrington win
Crewe win
Wimbledon
Chesterfield win
Gillingham win
Port Vale draw
Grimsby lose
Notts County
Bradford draw
Cheltenham win
Harrogate lose
Rovers draw
1 Rovers 84
2 Port Vale 83
3 Bradford 80
4 Walsall 79
5 Wimbledon 76
6 Notts County 73
I see us pipping Port Vale by a point. I know it seems optimistic going by performances, I just think we can grind the results out that are needed.
How do you see it going?
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We’ve won 2 of our last 7, it’s a big stretch to go from that to winning 4 from 5 given the level of opposition.
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Grant McCann admitted to the fact that neither Wood or McGrath are up to full fitness, with Maxwell still conspicuously absent we look set to struggle with the intense match schedule ahead. We have to win on Tuesday night if we are to stay in the hunt for automatic.
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We’ve won 2 of our last 7, it’s a big stretch to go from that to winning 4 from 5 given the level of opposition.
This is a good point. We have won 4 in 5 only once this season, against a group that included Barrow, Gillingham, Harrogate and MK Dons, all very average sides in this league. To be fair the Gillingham away win was a rare occasion.
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We’ve won 2 of our last 7, it’s a big stretch to go from that to winning 4 from 5 given the level of opposition.
This is a good point. We have won 4 in 5 only once this season, against a group that included Barrow, Gillingham, Harrogate and MK Dons, all very average sides in this league. To be fair the Gillingham away win was a rare occasion.
We did also manage to win 4 of the first 5 games.
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Not being pessimistic and it’s just my opinion, I can see us losing the next 2. Really hope I’m wrong but we looked out on our feet in the last 10mins yesterday. Not sure where the goals are going to come from either
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Not being pessimistic and it’s just my opinion, I can see us losing the next 2. Really hope I’m wrong but we looked out on our feet in the last 10mins yesterday. Not sure where the goals are going to come from either
I’d say your being realistic. Looking at both Port Vales & Bradfords remaining fixtures i would say we are destined for 3rd place. We have one fit striker for the next 3 games & the whole team looked knackered yesterday. I cant see where our goals are coming from.
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People have said all season we can’t score goals yet only Walsall in the top 7 have scored more than us
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If Maxwell is fit I'd be looking at 3 at the back and playing like we did at Bradford but with Gibson in place of Hurst from that day. Senior can drop in at LCB
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A more realistic outcome : -
Salford D
Tranmere W
Colchester D
Bradford L
Notts D
Sadly don't think that'll be enough for autos!
At least I'm not on holiday when we potentially play at Wembley this time!!
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You've been drinking if you think we will win 4 out the 5 last games and not lose any.
Even if we go up this season it doesn't feel like a promotion season the football and everything about it is so flat and boring.
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A more realistic outcome : -
Salford D
Tranmere W
Colchester D
Bradford L
Notts D
Sadly don't think that'll be enough for autos!
At least I'm not on holiday when we potentially play at Wembley this time!!
I’m on holiday for the next 3 games, bad planning on my part
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People have said all season we can’t score goals yet only Walsall in the top 7 have scored more than us
Yes and most of them came before Christmas when they had Nathan Lowe.
Only three teams in L2 have scored more goals than us.
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I think we’ll get 2 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss and just scrape in the top 3.
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Salford L
Tranmere W
Colchester W
Bradford L
Notts D
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I would take a draw against salford, win against tranmere and Colchester, 7 points from them games might leave us needing a draw or 2 from bradford and notts c
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People have said all season we can’t score goals yet only Walsall in the top 7 have scored more than us
Yes and most of them came before Christmas when they had Nathan Lowe.
Only three teams in L2 have scored more goals than us.
When you look at this logically its been obvious all season that its the goals against that's been the real issue. Our clean sheet total is woeful.
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Conceded the first goal 16 times, and 0 wins from a losing position all season.
Think back to early August and how long ago that was. We haven't found a solution to breaking teams down when we go a goal behind in all that time.
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Conceded the first goal 16 times, and 0 wins from a losing position all season.
Think back to early August and how long ago that was. We haven't found a solution to breaking teams down when we go a goal behind in all that time.
I mentioned that yesterday i didn't know it was 16.
Have you noticed how many times when we are at home on the tv we concede the first goal and often quite early really pi$$es me off that
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People have said all season we can’t score goals yet only Walsall in the top 7 have scored more than us
Yes and most of them came before Christmas when they had Nathan Lowe.
Only three teams in L2 have scored more goals than us.
When you look at this logically its been obvious all season that its the goals against that's been the real issue. Our clean sheet total is woeful.
That will be our downfall if anything. We concede far too many soft goals that have turned potential wins to draws, most recently Swindon & Walsall.
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Rovers
Salford win
Tranmere win
Colchester win
Bradford win
Notts County draw
Port Vale
Carlisle Lose
Grimsby win
Wimbledon draw
Gillingham win
Bradford
Notts County draw
Chesterfield win
Rovers Lose
Fleetwood win
Walsall
Harrogate draw
Newport lose
Accrington win
Crewe win
Wimbledon
Chesterfield win
Gillingham win
Port Vale draw
Grimsby lose
Notts County
Bradford draw
Cheltenham win
Harrogate lose
Rovers draw
1 Rovers 84
2 Port Vale 83
3 Bradford 80
4 Walsall 79
5 Wimbledon 76
6 Notts County 73
I see us pipping Port Vale by a point. I know it seems optimistic going by performances, I just think we can grind the results out that are needed.
How do you see it going?
I love a bit of optimism, but Salford game will be tough. And did you see Tranmeres goals to come back from three down. They will go down fighting .
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Let's see where we are after the Salford game, win and I think Sammy could well be right, draw and we may be in 3rd, lose and it is biting fingernails to see if we can avoid playoffs.
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A win on Tuesday night & I can’t see us losing another game which means going up as Champions is on.
Heart above head at this stage of the season!
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Let's see where we are after the Salford game, win and I think Sammy could well be right, draw and we may be in 3rd, lose and it is biting fingernails to see if we can avoid playoffs.
Hopefully we don't avoid the play offs the other way though.
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Welcome back SCWK
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Why not recall Hurst to add to options on the bench? Sharp will be missing for 3 games!
Where is Crew?
Is Kelly not fully fit? He looked creamed after 15 mins on Saturday.
More a promotion slog than a race!
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Let's see where we are after the Salford game, win and I think Sammy could well be right, draw and we may be in 3rd, lose and it is biting fingernails to see if we can avoid playoffs.
A draw wont get us 3rd, Walsall have a better goal difference. A win is the only thing that'll see us move up.
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I am not suggesting that the season ends on Tuesday Fal, the draw will put pressure on Rovers but will probably get enough with Walsall falling apart to make 3rd, in which case the GD will be superfluous, Rovers will still be in the hunt with a draw, a loss is very worrying. But let's not go there.
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Why not recall Hurst to add to options on the bench? Sharp will be missing for 3 games!
Where is Crew?
Is Kelly not fully fit? He looked creamed after 15 mins on Saturday.
More a promotion slog than a race!
Hurst can’t be recalled
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I can see us beating Salford, Tranmere and Colchester leaving Bradford and NC as title decider games.
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Walsall run if games is very favourable they'll beat us to 3rd for sure
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They’ve won 0 games out of the last 10, 3 games out of the last 17. No idea where you think they’re going to start getting these wins from?
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I’ve a bad feeling we’re gonna drop like a stone. In our current form we might get 3 points against Tranmere but I can’t see us winning any of our other remaining games.
We’ll go in to the playoffs with no momentum, or worst case drop out of them entirely.
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If we beat Tranmere and draw the other 3 it might be enough
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Tranmere D
Colchester D
Bradford W
Notts W
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From staring at the permutations I think two wins and a draw will see us promoted. I can't see Walsall, Wimbledon or Notts C getting to 79 points. I do think Bradford will be playing not to lose against us and that will be a draw.
So win against Tranmere and Colchester a draw with Bradford let everyone else drop points and cigars out for Notts county away.
Easy, though I am an optimist.
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A lot of people are talking as though we are on a bad run!!!we arnt yes we would of hoped to of won a couple more of the drawn games which may come back to bite us especially the Walsall game and we have lost 1 of our last 11 and we should of won that aswell
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I think Port Vale and Bradford have the top 2 spots in the bag now. Walsall should get 3rd with their games vs ours.
Looking at the permeations we’d be hugely unlucky to drop out of the playoffs now. My worry is we haven’t performed against the top teams and we’ve got 3 games against them plus play off games…
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No chance we're going up automatically.
Best we can hope for is play offs and a huge alice of luck.
Don't fancy us at all.
Just don't have the players, the recruitment in the summer was dreadful.
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Absolute nonsense to suggest Bradford have it sewn up, they’re one point ahead and have to come to us and their away form is very poor.
They have tougher remaining fixtures than us
They will struggle to make top 3 in my opinion
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No chance we're going up automatically.
Best we can hope for is play offs and a huge alice of luck.
Don't fancy us at all.
Just don't have the players, the recruitment in the summer was dreadful.
More nonsense, we’re in as good form if not better than everyone around us other than port vale
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Gut feeling tells me we don’t have enough. Of course we are still in it with everything to play for. We need to do enough over the next 2 games to make the Bradford game a cup final.
I think we’re fortunate this league is so poor. There is absolutely no chance this team would still be in with a shout last season with Wrexham, Stockport and Mansfield in the same league.
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I just hope we have enough in the tank to limp over the line. Just wouldn’t fancy us in the playoffs given how last season panned out and our struggles against the better teams. Although we are proving difficult to beat at the moment so maybe we could do a Huddersfield and go up with 3 draws (provided we don’t get our usual penalty shoot out wobbles!)
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Everything is if at this stage, Walsall are in deep trouble, worse than Rovers, so long as Rovers pull their socks up in the next two games then I think that we are destined for 3rd. It will make the game against Bradford very interesting!
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We are now not in the top 3 favourites to finish in the top 3 for the first time in a while.
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Joint 3rd favourites for promotion
And automatic spots according to the bookies there’s only 4 teams in it
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Joint 3rd favourites for promotion
And automatic spots according to the bookies there’s only 4 teams in it
Vale are clear favourites with Walsall and Bradford a point better off than us according to the spread betting forecasts.
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Its always been the Rovers way, losses to Tranmere and Colchester, requiring wins against Bradford and County to go up in autos, possibly.
If we don't do it by auto then we really are up against it.
Who would be a Rovers supporter!
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Joint 3rd favourites for promotion
And automatic spots according to the bookies there’s only 4 teams in it
Vale are clear favourites with Walsall and Bradford a point better off than us according to the spread betting forecasts.
Bradford away form is terrible, only won 5 all season and lost 3 of their last 4.
For some reason people think all the other teams are in much better form than us
But last 6 games only port vale are in better form
Last 10 games only port vale are in better form than us.
It’s crazy how people twist things to put a negative mark on
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As Rovers fans we are mentally scared over the years, we never seem to do it the easy way
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The City fans in the gym were down this morning were a bit gloomy.
Pattison is now injured again so with Smallwood missing three games their midfield has taken a real hit.
One game at a time and see where it takes us.
All of our rivals still see us as a big threat and it is normal for fans of most clubs to fear the worst.
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Two words
Goal difference .
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Won’t make a difference if everyone continues their current form
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Two words
Goal difference .
Been a problem of ours for quite a while, we never take teams apart when the opportunity arises, we always sit back and accept the win instead of going for the jugular.
Now leaves us open to requiring the extra point to compensate.
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Won’t make a difference if everyone continues their current form
Agreed. But it could make all the difference. This is rovers after all ?
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Port Vale Champions
Bradford
Walsall
Us
Wimbledon
We have thrown it away imo, Walsall massively off form but I think they will win at least 2 of their last 4 games.
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My prediction given recent form and the opposition we face is that we'll get one win and two draws from our last four games. I'm not predicting where those points will come from that's a fools game but it still could be enough, just.
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Port Vale Champions
Bradford
Walsall
Us
Wimbledon
We have thrown it away imo, Walsall massively off form but I think they will win at least 2 of their last 4 games.
This post makes no sense
We’re in better form than Bradford, Walsall, Wimbledon, Notts county
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Can't see it. We've been poor for a while and have a few people out also.
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Can't see it. We've been poor for a while and have a few people out also.
Form tables show we haven’t been poor
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We can obviously still do it, but like others I’m a bit concerned with how we are playing and the fatigue that is rapidly setting in. I would imagine we have players very close to the red zone, so I think further injuries are inevitable.
As I said last night, I think a win on Friday is an absolute must to keep the pressure on the others. Anything less and I would expect there might be too much to do, but that obviously depends on others results.
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We are now 11th in the 8-game form table, winning 2, drawing 5.
We are obviously very competitive and hard to beat, but we are now drawing too many games at the crucial point of the season and don't seem to have the quality and guile to win these tight games.
If we repeat our last 8 form over the next 4 we will get between 5-6 points. That's unlikely to be enough.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
It’s factual, if the season ended today we would finish fourth, no matter how you try to spin it
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Of course but we’re not talking about the season being ended are we! There’s 4 games to go and we are joint 3rd. Both are facts but I suppose it’s just the type of person you are which way you look at it
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There’s no such thing as joint third though is there? If two teams are level on points, they are separated by other statistics. The league don’t just go “oh you’re joint 3rd so share it between you lads”
We are fourth.
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Rovers
Salford win
Tranmere win
Colchester win
Bradford win
Notts County draw
Port Vale
Carlisle Lose
Grimsby win
Wimbledon draw
Gillingham win
Bradford
Notts County draw
Chesterfield win
Rovers Lose
Fleetwood win
Walsall
Harrogate draw
Newport lose
Accrington win
Crewe win
Wimbledon
Chesterfield win
Gillingham win
Port Vale draw
Grimsby lose
Notts County
Bradford draw
Cheltenham win
Harrogate lose
Rovers draw
1 Rovers 84
2 Port Vale 83
3 Bradford 80
4 Walsall 79
5 Wimbledon 76
6 Notts County 73
I see us pipping Port Vale by a point. I know it seems optimistic going by performances, I just think we can grind the results out that are needed.
How do you see it going?
I hope you didn’t put your house in this :blink:
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It’s the time of the season where ppg stats can be revealing. And so, just focussing on the top 4 here’s the ppg over the season to date .
PV 1.809ppg
Bradford 1.738ppg
Walsall 1.714 ppg
Rovers 1.714 ppg
Look closer though at the ppg for the last 6 games
PV 2.5 ppg
Brad 1.16ppg
Rovers 1.666 ppg
Walsall 0.66 ppg.
Pv have hit form just at the right time . Rovers are marking time with a ppg of a win one lose one basis almost, with Bradford lagging just behind them form wise. Walsall have fallen off a cliff .
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There’s no such thing as joint third though is there? If two teams are level on points, they are separated by other statistics. The league don’t just go “oh you’re joint 3rd so share it between you lads”
We are fourth.
Not talking about the season ending, talking about before the season started, would all the moaners have taken being level on points with 3rd and 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
Of course they would
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Tbh back in August I was hoping/expecting that we would be doing a Stockport and were comfortably on track for the autos all season, with a core of players and an attractive playing style that would likely succeed in L1. That was on the back of a strong finish last season, a great manager and what looked like good backing. That expectation has led to frustration for me, and no doubt others, because it felt at times like players were underperforming or the tactics weren’t right. Whilst it hasn’t been pretty, the more the season has gone on the more I feel that Grant has got as much as he can out of this group of players and we have done well to stay in touch with the autos- we don’t have many stars but we are very competitive against anyone, we can produce quality at times, and there is a great spirit. Now is the time to really get behind them because we can make a difference when the margins are so tight- judging from last night I think that’s how most fans are thinking. Players like Gibson in particular need to feel loved to produce their best.
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I have to think that yesterday wasnt the preferred date for this fixture? Seems madness to want us to play 4 games in 9 days, like most im worried about the fatigue and the fact that we are losing players left and right at the minute it seems.
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Let's get this straight, it's not the fans who have bigged up expectations - it was GM in the pre-season who said he expects us to be fighting for the title.
We've been well under that all season. Most of our fans are judging success on his yard stick; automatic promotion and fighting for the title.
So it's understandable we're all getting frustrated now we're stumbling to the finish line. The run in is tough, we've got injuries, the massive squad not making a blind bit of difference, and game after game it's the same tactics that aren't really working. Run it down the wing. f**k about, take the ball too far. Hope Moly will come up with some magic. Subs around 75 mins to go all out attack in the hope of a late winner.
It's not a strategy and whether we go up or stay down, it's given me some real doubts about McCann's abilities as a manager.
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I have to think that yesterday wasnt the preferred date for this fixture? Seems madness to want us to play 4 games in 9 days, like most im worried about the fatigue and the fact that we are losing players left and right at the minute it seems.
In retrospect you're absolutely right Fal - we'd have been without Crew, TSL and Kelly - but would have had fit centre halfs and striker cover to change the game, plus TSL is getting grief for their goal (which I don't agree with) but it was Kelly that winced out of the way to let it through, and wouldn't have had such a congested run.
On paper it seemed the sensible thing to do, in reality unfortunately it hasn't really turned out that way, through no one's fault (except slightly Billy Sharp).
I'm not sure we've got the mental and physical strength to get through the next couple of games, Tranmere won't be easy, then to lift ourselves again for Colchester, we look spent over the last two. I'm also not sure I've got the mental or physical strength at the moment, I need a handful of valium each game day!
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
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Unbeaten in 7
In better form than all our rivals other than 1.
Yet you say not a chance with the way we’re playing.
Crackers
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Unbeaten in 7
In better form than all our rivals other than 1.
Yet you say not a chance with the way we’re playing.
Crackers
“Other than 1” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here given that one is currently top of the table. In the last 6 games they’ve got 15 points and we’ve got 10 so we’re not exactly going toe to toe with them.
Doesn’t really matter at this stage though, the focus is on 3rd and anything else is a bonus.
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Exactly if 3 were in better form than us it would be a worry
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Unbeaten in 7
In better form than all our rivals other than 1.
Yet you say not a chance with the way we’re playing.
Crackers
You want to talk about "the way we are playing". Then stop selectively picking recent runs of form and look at the last 23 games. Half a season.
Our recordis
P23 W11 D6 L6 F30 A25 Pts 39 ->78 points over season.
That's possibly just about good enough to squeak us home from here, but it's touch and go.
But now, dig a bit deeper. Look at how we have performed when we've played sides in the two halves of the table on the day of the match.
Record against bottom half sides
P12 W10 D2 L0 F19 A6 Pts32 -> 123 points over a season
Record against top half sides
P11 W1 D4 L6 F11 A19 Pts7 -> 29 points over a season.
(That 1win was against MK Dons who were in 11th place when we played them. They were in the middle of a current run of 3 wins and 4 draws from 21 matches. They,l we're sinking like a stone and would drop into the bottom half for the rest of the season the week after we played them.)
This is what I keep banging on about. We are a side that generally batters lower table sides, but which has now, for half a season, been really, really poor against top half sides. That's not a recent freak set of results. That is a consistent theme stretching back almost 6 months.
And we have 3 sides in the top 8 still to play. We have to do far better than we've done for half a season in those games.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
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Yep and despite Walsall's recent run, the fixture list has been kind to them. Harrogate and Accrington at home, Newport and Crewe away.
We have to better their results against Tranmere, Colchester, Bradford and Notts. Simple as that.
Instinctively it feels like the opportunity is slipping away from us, if it hasn't already. I know mathematically that's nonsense, but they are four very tough games. If (and it's a big if) we win the next 2, things might look a lot more healthy, but Saturday's game and last night both felt like a huge blow.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
If..
“If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there’d be no need for tinkers..”
(Frank Soencer, circa 1975)
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
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A penalty or two for us would t go amiss, even soft ones!
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Exactly if 3 were in better form than us it would be a worry
You’re not making any sense. You’re saying that we will/should finish in the top 3 because our form is miles better than 2 of the clubs above us.
And you’re also saying that we’re fighting for the title. Despite the fact that top of the league are 4 points ahead of us…and in miles better form than us.
Surely both things can’t be true?
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
If..
“If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there’d be no need for tinkers..”
(Frank Soencer, circa 1975)
So you think if we finish on the last day 3rd equal on points (in 4th place) we are not in the play-offs?
I am sure silly quotes will move us into 3rd.
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Isn't everything everybody says right now all "ifs" anyway? So what is the point? Wait until 3rd May and see where we are. It's all just words.
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Some fair and interesting reflections on here.
Thinking of our final 4 fixtures, my predictions are:
Tranmere (W)
Colchester (W)
Bradford (L)
Notts County (D)
(I originally put (L) but my heart won't let me do that!)
I'm not going to predict the results of our rivals' final games so I don't know where the above results would leave us. I think we might just have enough to scrape 3rd but it will go to the last game.
I do think Walsall have the easiest run-in on paper but they also have the worst current form, so I think we will finish above them.
I'm counting on that.
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We are hampered by too many draws and not enough wins, and the clock is fast ticking down.
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There's no easy games for any team.
Let's hope we play well, get a bit of luck, don't suffer from bad refereeing decisions and we do enough to get the points we need for a top three finish.
We're still in the mix.
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Cracking end to the season is this one, I really do believe we won’t lose a game.
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We could do with Notts County out of the chance for auto promotion, and then possibly resting their better players for the play offs
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
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Unbeaten in 7
In better form than all our rivals other than 1.
Yet you say not a chance with the way we’re playing.
Crackers
You want to talk about "the way we are playing". Then stop selectively picking recent runs of form and look at the last 23 games. Half a season.
Our recordis
P23 W11 D6 L6 F30 A25 Pts 39 ->78 points over season.
That's possibly just about good enough to squeak us home from here, but it's touch and go.
But now, dig a bit deeper. Look at how we have performed when we've played sides in the two halves of the table on the day of the match.
Record against bottom half sides
P12 W10 D2 L0 F19 A6 Pts32 -> 123 points over a season
Record against top half sides
P11 W1 D4 L6 F11 A19 Pts7 -> 29 points over a season.
(That 1win was against MK Dons who were in 11th place when we played them. They were in the middle of a current run of 3 wins and 4 draws from 21 matches. They,l we're sinking like a stone and would drop into the bottom half for the rest of the season the week after we played them.)
This is what I keep banging on about. We are a side that generally batters lower table sides, but which has now, for half a season, been really, really poor against top half sides. That's not a recent freak set of results. That is a consistent theme stretching back almost 6 months.
And we have 3 sides in the top 8 still to play. We have to do far better than we've done for half a season in those games.
Contrary to what your doing I’m not picking made up numbers of games I’m looking at the wildly published form tables which show 6 and 10 game form.
I’ve also pointed out to you our reaults against the current top 7 are the same as most of the other sides in the top 7.
It’s irrelevant where they were when we played them it’s where they are now.
Everything shows that we’re in better form than our rivals and we’re just as good at playing against the top sides as our rivals, but you keep searching for ways you can put a negative spin on it
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
Yep and on the same points as 3rd place with 4 games to go!
Jesus you lot are hard work
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
If..
“If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there’d be no need for tinkers..”
(Frank Soencer, circa 1975)
So you think if we finish on the last day 3rd equal on points (in 4th place) we are not in the play-offs?
I am sure silly quotes will move us into 3rd.
Nope I don’t think that, that would be a very silly way to think wouldn’t it
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
Yep and on the same points as 3rd place with 4 games to go!
Jesus you lot are hard work
And an inferior goal difference, you need to look again who is had work
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Dickos - I can't take a word you say seriously. You defended every single manager we've had at every single point of their tenures for years. McSheffrey wasn't the problem. Schofield deserved more time. It doesn't matter how low we stoop or how high we rise, there is one constant. You will assiduously defend the manager and the club and the status quo.
To you, there is never any justification for criticising the team or manager, or even our current run. In fact I can't think of any criticism you've ever made.
I actually don't know why you bother. There's no discussion, it's only defending the status quo at all costs.
We all know where we are in the table. We've all got eyes. Have you perhaps wondered why there's so much discontent despite being close to automatic promotion?
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Dickos - I can't take a word you say seriously. You defended every single manager we've had at every single point of their tenures for years. McSheffrey wasn't the problem. Schofield deserved more time. It doesn't matter how low we stoop or how high we rise, there is one constant. You will assiduously defend the manager and the club and the status quo.
To you, there is never any justification for criticising the team or manager, or even our current run. In fact I can't think of any criticism you've ever made.
I actually don't know why you bother. There's no discussion, it's only defending the status quo at all costs.
We all know where we are in the table. We've all got eyes. Have you perhaps wondered why there's so much discontent despite being close to automatic promotion?
There’s no need to wonder!
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Exactly if 3 were in better form than us it would be a worry
You’re not making any sense. You’re saying that we will/should finish in the top 3 because our form is miles better than 2 of the clubs above us.
And you’re also saying that we’re fighting for the title. Despite the fact that top of the league are 4 points ahead of us…and in miles better form than us.
Surely both things can’t be true?
Nope, again I’m not saying that at all
Everyone is writing us off because we’re playing shite, form is terrible etc etc etc
I’m pointing out our form is better than our rivals
And people are saying we should be in a title race, 4 points off the title with 4 games to go is a title race.
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At the end of the day if you’re not positive and excited being 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go then you need to be doing something else with your time.
We even had a Wednesday fan on here the other day in disbelief at the negativity,
I bet Wimbledon and Bradford’s forums aren’t as shambolic and going into meltdown that they’re in a promotion chase
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Must admit I have come round to Dickos’ way of thinking. If we don’t make it we have all summer to pick the bones- our best chance of avoiding that is to focus on what we can do from here and give the lads as much support and confidence as we can.
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Barring the last game, Bradford have a tricky run in, surprised at those thinking it's a race between us & Walsall for the last auto spot. Obviously others still in with a shout too, great end to the season.
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
DU.
I absolutely agree that over the season it's not been as stark as over the last half season. But my argument is that once the season had settled down, I think we've been sussed out by the better sides. I think most realised that we had a system that could be devastating when breaking quickly. The Bradford match was the perfect example - they played very high up the pitch, had a huge amount of possession, but rarely troubled us. We played a solid, disciplined defence them broke with pace, quick passing and sharp movement. Time and again we got in behind their defence and we could easily have put 5 past them.
I suspect that was a wake up call to the division, because since then, no good team has played a very high press against us. Time and again, we've been given lots of possession in our own half and have done next to nothing with it against a well-disciplined defence, then been hit with a fast break. The one top half side in the last 6 months who really tried to play a possession-dominating game was MK Dons, and we relatively easily picked them off.
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Barring the last game, Bradford have a tricky run in, surprised at those thinking it's a race between us & Walsall for the last auto spot. Obviously others still in with a shout too, great end to the season.
Bradford have three sort of local derbies with teams still fighting for something. Notts C, Chesterfield, us. They have also got Smallwood banned for them 3 games and now Pattinson injured too apparantley so they have lost both of their playmaker for this run in.
I don't see them getting 9 points.
Walsall have won 2 games in 17 now some on here saying they expect them to win 3 from 4?
We are hard to beat, others aren't. We are thread bare but I think we will get there.
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
DU.
I absolutely agree that over the season it's not been as stark as over the last half season. But my argument is that once the season had settled down, I think we've been sussed out by the better sides. I think most realised that we had a system that could be devastating when breaking quickly. The Bradford match was the perfect example - they played very high up the pitch, had a huge amount of possession, but rarely troubled us. We played a solid, disciplined defence them broke with pace, quick passing and sharp movement. Time and again we got in behind their defence and we could easily have put 5 past them.
I suspect that was a wake up call to the division, because since then, no good team has played a very high press against us. Time and again, we've been given lots of possession in our own half and have done next to nothing with it against a well-disciplined defence, then been hit with a fast break. The one top half side in the last 6 months who really tried to play a possession-dominating game was MK Dons, and we relatively easily picked them off.
Notts county?
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I’d say that people are more disappointed in the football that we’re playing.
Pretty much each game is as boring as the last.
It really has been a hard watch this year and most of the other teams in the division are just as boring.
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I’d say that people are more disappointed in the football that we’re playing.
Pretty much each game is as boring as the last.
It really has been a hard watch this year and most of the other teams in the division are just as boring.
I agree Knockers, league position aside, it's felt a pretty dire footballing season. Benefit of the doubt, I think a lot of that has to do with the level of shithousery in the league - dire teams wasting time, ugly hoofball and rough-stuff tactics, and 99% of referees having the vision of Stevie Wonder and morals of Richard Nixon, but we don't half seem to making hard work of it.
Still, squeak our way in to the top three and I'll a very very happy chap!
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
DU.
I absolutely agree that over the season it's not been as stark as over the last half season. But my argument is that once the season had settled down, I think we've been sussed out by the better sides. I think most realised that we had a system that could be devastating when breaking quickly. The Bradford match was the perfect example - they played very high up the pitch, had a huge amount of possession, but rarely troubled us. We played a solid, disciplined defence them broke with pace, quick passing and sharp movement. Time and again we got in behind their defence and we could easily have put 5 past them.
I suspect that was a wake up call to the division, because since then, no good team has played a very high press against us. Time and again, we've been given lots of possession in our own half and have done next to nothing with it against a well-disciplined defence, then been hit with a fast break. The one top half side in the last 6 months who really tried to play a possession-dominating game was MK Dons, and we relatively easily picked them off.
Notts county?
Yes. Agreed. And that was one of our best performances of the season. We came back very strongly against a side that threatened to overwhelm us early on.
Now name me ANY match this season against a top side who have sat deep against us, where we have looked that good.
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Can’t believe wot I’m reading on here anyone would think we are Carlisle or Morecombe,1 point of autos with 4 games left knowing it’s still in our own hands.
Yes we haven’t been great but that’s the way it’s been all season,can’t say we are on a poor run either really we are picking up points just maybe few too many draws but lately been playing teams that have also been on a decent run themselves baring Walsall where you could say that result could bite us although didn’t think they were poor against us on the night but we should of pherhaps hold on for the win,remaining games could all be open games apart from Bradford which could suit us as Tranmere who have picked up lately still need a win,Colchester could come and sit in but also need to win.bradford I think would be happy with a point and got their man player Smallwood missing and a poor away record and looks like we just need to keep their long throws to a minimal,boots could need to win to have chance of going up or even stay in play offs depending on results leading up to the final game.
So in true rovers fashion still all to play for
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Barring the last game, Bradford have a tricky run in, surprised at those thinking it's a race between us & Walsall for the last auto spot. Obviously others still in with a shout too, great end to the season.
Bradford have three sort of local derbies with teams still fighting for something. Notts C, Chesterfield, us. They have also got Smallwood banned for them 3 games and now Pattinson injured too apparantley so they have lost both of their playmaker for this run in.
I don't see them getting 9 points.
Walsall have won 2 games in 17 now some on here saying they expect them to win 3 from 4?
We are hard to beat, others aren't. We are thread bare but I think we will get there.
Just been reading that Graeme Alexander has a 2game ban aswell from the touchline and there is supposedly a sickness bug going through the squad that has 'affected several players'
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Barring the last game, Bradford have a tricky run in, surprised at those thinking it's a race between us & Walsall for the last auto spot. Obviously others still in with a shout too, great end to the season.
Bradford have three sort of local derbies with teams still fighting for something. Notts C, Chesterfield, us. They have also got Smallwood banned for them 3 games and now Pattinson injured too apparantley so they have lost both of their playmaker for this run in.
I don't see them getting 9 points.
Walsall have won 2 games in 17 now some on here saying they expect them to win 3 from 4?
We are hard to beat, others aren't. We are thread bare but I think we will get there.
Just been reading that Graeme Alexander has a 2game ban aswell from the touchline and there is supposedly a sickness bug going through the squad that has 'affected several players'
Excellent, they received my complimentary lasagne.
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
Good figures from someone at last Dutch.
I get where bst is coming from but he has moved the goalposts with his figures a couple of times, probably to try to make his numbers add up to what he wants them to.
I agree also that we need some luck of the good type, they say thing even out over a league season so perhaps a couple of penalties will be awarded to us and maybe shots will go in off the post instead of coming back into play off the post.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
Yep and on the same points as 3rd place with 4 games to go!
Jesus you lot are hard work
The table shows we have the same number of points as 3rd place, but have an inferior goal difference so we're 4th. I tend to believe what the table says, Doncaster Rovers 4th.
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Just a point that should be made here.
When we were third but several teams had games in hand, there were plenty of posters on here saying “we aren’t really third, if so and so win their games in hand they will go above us”.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
Yep and on the same points as 3rd place with 4 games to go!
Jesus you lot are hard work
The table shows we have the same number of points as 3rd place, but have an inferior goal difference so were 4th. I tend to believe what the table says, Doncaster Rovers 4th.Exactly if 3 were in better form than us it would be a worry
You’re not making any sense. You’re saying that we will/should finish in the top 3 because our form is miles better than 2 of the clubs above us.
And you’re also saying that we’re fighting for the title. Despite the fact that top of the league are 4 points ahead of us…and in miles better form than us.
Surely both things can’t be true?
Nope, again I’m not saying that at all
Everyone is writing us off because we’re playing shite, form is terrible etc etc etc
I’m pointing out our form is better than our rivals
And people are saying we should be in a title race, 4 points off the title with 4 games to go is a title race.
Exactly if 3 were in better form than us it would be a worry
You’re not making any sense. You’re saying that we will/should finish in the top 3 because our form is miles better than 2 of the clubs above us.
And you’re also saying that we’re fighting for the title. Despite the fact that top of the league are 4 points ahead of us…and in miles better form than us.
Surely both things can’t be true?
Nope, again I’m not saying that at all
Everyone is writing us off because we’re playing shite, form is terrible etc etc etc
I’m pointing out our form is better than our rivals
And people are saying we should be in a title race, 4 points off the title with 4 games to go is a title race.
Everyone? Who's everyone? I don't think I've read many posters 'writing us off'.
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
Good figures from someone at last Dutch.
I get where bst is coming from but he has moved the goalposts with his figures a couple of times, probably to try to make his numbers add up to what he wants them to.
I agree also that we need some luck of the good type, they say thing even out over a league season so perhaps a couple of penalties will be awarded to us and maybe shots will go in off the post instead of coming back into play off the post.
Tbf Hound, BST was making the good point that we have done worse against top teams in the second half of the season, suggesting they have worked out how best to play against us. I just looked at the season as a whole.
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
Good figures from someone at last Dutch.
I get where bst is coming from but he has moved the goalposts with his figures a couple of times, probably to try to make his numbers add up to what he wants them to.
I agree also that we need some luck of the good type, they say thing even out over a league season so perhaps a couple of penalties will be awarded to us and maybe shots will go in off the post instead of coming back into play off the post.
Tbf Hound, BST was making the good point that we have done worse against top teams in the second half of the season, suggesting they have worked out how best to play against us. I just looked at the season as a whole.
Yes, I’m aware of that Dutch, it’s just that your figures give a truer reflection, over the whole season.
Walsalls numbers over the whole season have them in third place but their figures over the last half a season would have them nowhere near third place.
The league season is 46 matches, not 23.
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6 game form table and 10 game form has us higher than all our rivals other than port vale
So nobody around is flying, we’re in a good position.
Imagine in August being told we would be joint 3rd and only 4 points off the top with 4 games to go
You’d snap their hands off
We’re not joint third, we are fourth
I suppose that’s a typical doncaster rovers fan way of looking at it,
We’re actually both
Either way I know for a fact all you lot moaning would’ve been the ones snapping my hand off if if offered what we are now with 4 games to go
If today was the last day of the season we are 4th. That's all there is to it. You are away with the fairies. Facts are facts.
Dear me
I’ve had to explain 3 times now, I’m not talking about at the end of the season, talking about now
And we are still fourth now, look at the table its there in black and white
Yep and on the same points as 3rd place with 4 games to go!
Jesus you lot are hard work
The table shows we have the same number of points as 3rd place, but have an inferior goal difference so we're 4th. I tend to believe what the table says, Doncaster Rovers 4th.
Ah so you agree then that we’re level on points with 3rd and 4 points off the top
Would you have been happy with that back in August?
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Just a point that should be made here.
When we were third but several teams had games in hand, there were plenty of posters on here saying “we aren’t really third, if so and so win their games in hand they will go above us”.
The very obvious difference, Hound, which you're choosing to ignore is that there are presently no games in hand. Everyone has played 42 games, therefore your point is moot.
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It's nothing to do with agreeing with anything, the facts are there. Why wouldn't I be happy with being in that position in August, how very strange. Would you be happy being in that position in May?
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It's nothing to do with agreeing with anything, the facts are there. Why wouldn't I be happy with being in that position in August, how very strange. Would you be happy being in that position in May?
Think you’re getting confused!
Would you have been happy where we are now with 4 games to go if offered it back in August
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It's nothing to do with agreeing with anything, the facts are there. Why wouldn't I be happy with being in that position in August, how very strange. Would you be happy being in that position in May?
Think you’re getting confused!
Would you have been happy where we are now with 4 games to go if offered it back in August
To answer your question dickos, NO!.
In August we were promised by McCann that we were going for the title, so at this point back in August I would have expected us to be certain of a top 3 slot. Not now wondering if we can make it.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
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It's nothing to do with agreeing with anything, the facts are there. Why wouldn't I be happy with being in that position in August, how very strange. Would you be happy being in that position in May?
Think you’re getting confused!
Would you have been happy where we are now with 4 games to go if offered it back in August
What would McCann have replied when he said at the end of last season "don't come back if you're not prepared to win the league" to a player who said "nah not me, when it gets to April I'll be happy with a playoff spot"?
Extended his contract probably, especially if that player had no contribution to any success last season
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
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Yes we should, but to be fair some of us have been concerned for a good while now.
My main concern is that we went out and got Street and in the main ditched Ironside and Sharpe, for the sake of playing two wide players, one of whom has for the most been unproductive.
Thus we haven’t scored enough when needed particularly at home, playing two centrally I believe would have given moly more support, the opposing centre backs would have been kept busy instead of having the luxury of been able to get 2/3 men on him.
Of course the injury jinx has returned at an unbelievable wrong time, but our poor performance at home started way before this.
This is not being negative just stating my views, which have been consistent now for a few months.
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Obviously you're not concerned, Dickos, but that doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't be. We all have a right to our own opinion without constantly being told we are talking rubbish.
Maybe most of us are more realistic as we are chasing an auto slot and not in one.
As I keep saying, 3 weeks from now and we will know.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
You are plain nasty as always with no consideration for anyone else's option. This is supposed to be an open forum for everyone to express their views whether or not you agree with them.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
I don’t think this is the case. Port vale have to go to Carlisle . Carlisle have won 3 of their last 6 and are 10th in the last 6 form . Bradford have a tough game tonight at county and reportedly have a bug running thru their squad and a red card in
Last game for a key player. Walsall host Harrogate who are better than them also in last 6 form. And that just tomorrow . Then on Monday PV host cod heads. And they have really turned things around chomping for a playoff slot themselves. Bradford go to chesterfield . Another team with a chance of a po slot with considerably better last 6 form than Bradford. So to say these teams have easier games is not right imo
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Yes we should, but to be fair some of us have been concerned for a good while now.
My main concern is that we went out and got Street and in the main ditched Ironside and Sharpe, for the sake of playing two wide players, one of whom has for the most been unproductive.
Thus we haven’t scored enough when needed particularly at home, playing two centrally I believe would have given moly more support, the opposing centre backs would have been kept busy instead of having the luxury of been able to get 2/3 men on him.
Of course the injury jinx has returned at an unbelievable wrong time, but our poor performance at home started way before this.
This is not being negative just stating my views, which have been consistent now for a few months.
Only Walsall, Chesterfield & Swindon have scored more league goals than us. It's not the attacking side that is the problem it's the amount of poor goals that we concede that has prevented us from walking this league.
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It's the recent games when we have snatched draws from the jaws of wins that I find most irksome. If we had had a bit better treatment from Lady Luck we would be sitting pretty now and the gloom purveyors would be silenced.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
Bradford can’t win all their games if we beat them..
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Well if things even themselves out over a season we should be getting half a dozen penalty’s in the remaining games
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
Why will we struggle?
By your logic everyone who is the race is going to struggle
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
Why will we struggle?
By your logic everyone who is the race is going to struggle
Wrong, I can see how we are playing, and the players we have injured, and who we have to play.
It doesn't make you less of a fan by recognising this.
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At the start of the season I had £20 at 11/4 for us to land a top 3 spot, they’re offering me £39.24 to cash out now ! Clearly the bookies still fancy us !
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BST, your point is well made, and backed up, albeit slightly less dramatically if we take the whole seasons' results and look at the current 11 other top half clubs and the 12 bottom clubs as they now stand in the table. A team's position when we play them might be influenced by games in hand, current form, injuries and suspensions of key players etc, so there is a bit more consistency looking over the whole season with the current table where for the first time in months everyone has played the same number of games..
In that case against the other 11 top half teams our record has been W4, D9, L6, equivalent to 51 points in a season
Against the bottom 12 teams it is W16, D3, L4 for 102 points in a season
Yes we have been flat track bullies against lower teams, but our results against top half teams have been significantly better than 29 points a season.
Also, less analytically, I feel we have been very unfortunate in some matches (e.g. Crewe away, Colchester away), so maybe we will have more of lady luck's influence in the last 4 matches - we are going to need it. :scarf:
Good figures from someone at last Dutch.
I get where bst is coming from but he has moved the goalposts with his figures a couple of times, probably to try to make his numbers add up to what he wants them to.
I agree also that we need some luck of the good type, they say thing even out over a league season so perhaps a couple of penalties will be awarded to us and maybe shots will go in off the post instead of coming back into play off the post.
Tbf Hound, BST was making the good point that we have done worse against top teams in the second half of the season, suggesting they have worked out how best to play against us. I just looked at the season as a whole.
Thanks for pointing out my point DU.
I'm baffled over what Hound is on about when he says I've "moved the goalposts" but then he has spent years insisting I'm a hypocrite who argues from a position of bad faith, and it's much healthier just to have him on Ignore these days.
For the record, I have generally noted, as you say, that I think we were excellent at the start of the season, but got sussed sometimes back in the autumn, and we haven't been nearly as effective since then.
As a result, it doesn't really matter which metric you look at, the answer is always the same. We are generally very, very effective against weaker sides and really not very effective against better sides.
Doesn't matter whether you divide "better" and "weaker" as "Top 10 Vs bottom 14" or "Top half Vs Bottom half".
It does matter whether you look at the entire season or the most recent 6 months.
The big picture is broadly the same. The difference is that looking in more granularity offers possible insights.
But doubtless Hound will continue in his depressung certainty that I'm just "moving the goalposts".
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As we enter the final stretch, points won out of 12 for the last 4 games by the top 7 teams:
Port Vale: 12
Grimsby: 7
Rovers: 6
Wimbledon: 5
Notts County: 4
Bradford: 4
Walsall: 2
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
Why will we struggle?
By your logic everyone who is the race is going to struggle
Wrong, I can see how we are playing, and the players we have injured, and who we have to play.
It doesn't make you less of a fan by recognising this.
But you’re not looking at how the others are playing!
Or who they’ve got to play
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Nobody knows how this is going to turn out but there is a reasonably feasible scenario where we don't have to deliver a huge amount of points to go up. We probably just need to overtake a Walsall in freefall to get the final space and make sure we can just keep ahead of AFC Wimbledon. Port Vale are already up and Bradford City could even beat us and it wouldn't matter that much. It feels like we are likely now playing against Walsall and AFC Wimbledon to get the final spot. Doesn't matter so much what Port Vale and maybe even Bradford City do now.
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Carlisle will beat Port Vale, that will help.
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Nobody knows how this is going to turn out but there is a reasonably feasible scenario where we don't have to deliver a huge amount of points to go up. We probably just need to overtake a Walsall in freefall to get the final space and make sure we can just keep ahead of AFC Wimbledon. Port Vale are already up and Bradford City could even beat us and it wouldn't matter that much. It feels like we are likely now playing against Walsall and AFC Wimbledon to get the final spot. Doesn't matter so much what Port Vale and maybe even Bradford City do now.
Madness to suggest Bradford are out of reach, they’re in very poor form and were 2 points behind with a game in hand and have to play them at home. Their away record is relegation material
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Nobody knows how this is going to turn out but there is a reasonably feasible scenario where we don't have to deliver a huge amount of points to go up. We probably just need to overtake a Walsall in freefall to get the final space and make sure we can just keep ahead of AFC Wimbledon. Port Vale are already up and Bradford City could even beat us and it wouldn't matter that much. It feels like we are likely now playing against Walsall and AFC Wimbledon to get the final spot. Doesn't matter so much what Port Vale and maybe even Bradford City do now.
Madness to suggest Bradford are out of reach, they’re in very poor form and were 2 points behind with a game in hand and have to play them at home. Their away record is relegation material
14th isn't relegation mate.
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I can’t take any more of this topsy turvy realm of emotions that this run in is putting us through.
I have told the wife I would miss today and I feel the few hours out shopping will settle me down before kick off. We can’t keep allowing these opportunities pass us by. Get the win by however means necessary. COME ON!!!
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I can’t take any more of this topsy turvy realm of emotions that this run in is putting us through.
I have told the wife I would miss today and I feel the few hours out shopping will settle me down before kick off. We can’t keep allowing these opportunities pass us by. Get the win by however means necessary. COME ON!!!
I know that feeling. It's losing the lead and only drawing the game thus missing the chance to go into the autos that has done my head in recently. Pray not again today.
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I'll be happy just to ge the lead to start with and then take it from there.
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
Why will we struggle?
By your logic everyone who is the race is going to struggle
Wrong, I can see how we are playing, and the players we have injured, and who we have to play.
It doesn't make you less of a fan by recognising this.
But you’re not looking at how the others are playing!
Or who they’ve got to play
Of course I am!
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The top 3 have an easier last 4 games than Rovers and I expect most will acknowledge that. So logically they have more of a chance than us of picking up more of those 12 points than us. That still leaves us 4th. We rely on one of the top 3 having a worse run than us, but the fixtures suggest otherwise.
Shouldn't we all be concerned?
You don’t half talk a lot of rubbish, we’re 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go.
Bradford have tougher fixtures than us and Walsall haven’t won a game in 10.
Nothing you write makes sense, and has no rationale attached whatsoever
It doesn't make you a better fan by refusing to admit that we will struggle to finish 3rd.
Why will we struggle?
By your logic everyone who is the race is going to struggle
Wrong, I can see how we are playing, and the players we have injured, and who we have to play.
It doesn't make you less of a fan by recognising this.
But you’re not looking at how the others are playing!
Or who they’ve got to play
Of course I am!
So how do you come to the conclusion you have if you’re considering how our rivals are playing and who they have to play?
Doesn’t make any sense
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Nobody knows how this is going to turn out but there is a reasonably feasible scenario where we don't have to deliver a huge amount of points to go up. We probably just need to overtake a Walsall in freefall to get the final space and make sure we can just keep ahead of AFC Wimbledon. Port Vale are already up and Bradford City could even beat us and it wouldn't matter that much. It feels like we are likely now playing against Walsall and AFC Wimbledon to get the final spot. Doesn't matter so much what Port Vale and maybe even Bradford City do now.
Madness to suggest Bradford are out of reach, they’re in very poor form and were 2 points behind with a game in hand and have to play them at home. Their away record is relegation material
14th isn't relegation mate.
1 point from 4 games is
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
Are we fighting for the title yet
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Still anything can happen with Walsall and Wimbledon still in the picture.
Despite Walsalls lack of winning, if they were to win away at Newport in Mondays early kick off, they'll go back to the top. Then of course any one of the other top three could claim the spot back in the 3pm kick offs.
It's not been this close since.....Nah, surely not!
We've made our own luck today so may that continue for the last 3 laps.
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We need 4 points from 3 games to secure promotion
But let’s go for the title
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Bradford at Chezzy on Monday. Really tough game that for them.
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
Are we fighting for the title yet
Look, a broken clock is correct twice a day.
You list all credibility after defending schofield and mcsheffrey.
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
Are we fighting for the title yet
Look, a broken clock is correct twice a day.
You list all credibility after defending schofield and mcsheffrey.
Got nothing to do with clocks, you made a ridiculous statement that looks even more ridiculous now
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Bradford at Chezzy on Monday. Really tough game that for them.
Massive game Monday
If we can get the 3 points we will be within touching distance.
Walsall have gone, they won’t get many more points and Wimbledon have port vale to come
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Bradford at Chezzy on Monday. Really tough game that for them.
Yes. Very pleasing Chesterfield stopped Wimbledon today which bodes well for the Bradford game.
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Bradford out of form and without Smallwood, Notts hopefully resting for the play offs... Monday could be our toughest game.
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Bradford at Chezzy on Monday. Really tough game that for them.
Massive game Monday
If we can get the 3 points we will be within touching distance.
Walsall have gone, they won’t get many more points and Wimbledon have port vale to come
'fraid not Matey :thumbdown:
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We need 4 points from 3 games to secure promotion
But let’s go for the title
not quite, that would give us 79pts, which Wimbledon can match with much better GD, we need 5 pts..
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We need 4 points from 3 games to secure promotion
But let’s go for the title
not quite, that would give us 79pts, which Wimbledon can match with much better GD, we need 5 pts..that said, Bradford can get to 80 PTS even if we beat them, so I think 81 is the golden number...
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They won’t though and if they do it means they’ve beaten port vale.
80 points has been my target for a while now, and they can’t reach that but I think it’ll end up being 78/79
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We need 4 points from 3 games to secure promotion
But let’s go for the title
not quite, that would give us 79pts, which Wimbledon can match with much better GD, we need 5 pts..
You are mathematically correct, but wimbledons last 6 form has been won one , drawn 4 and lost one . I just can’t see them winning all three games .
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
Are we fighting for the title yet
Keep flying the flag Dickos, I’m right there with you!
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Port Vale are away at AFC Wimbledon. Port Vale have just conceded three and lost away at third bottom Carlisle United. It is not at all fantastical to think that Port Vale lose at AFC Wimbledon.
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We need 4 points from 3 games to secure promotion
But let’s go for the title
not quite, that would give us 79pts, which Wimbledon can match with much better GD, we need 5 pts..
You are mathematically correct, but wimbledons last 6 form has been won one , drawn 4 and lost one . I just can’t see them winning all three games .
when folk are using the term "to secure promotion ", surely definite numbers are the only things that matter, not an emotional guess of how things mite turn out?
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Given how absolutely abject Walsall continue to be, if we do manage to beat Colchester on Monday, we are probably up then given how bad Walsall continue to be and the games that AFC Wimbledon still have to play.
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Colchester fans are saying that their team did not play well today and fear the worse on Monday against us. I think they’ll raise their game and make life difficult for us.
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As poor as Walsall's results are they looked a decent side against us, did they just turn up for us
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As poor as Walsall's results are they looked a decent side against us, did they just turn up for us
I said that at the Walsall game.
Given their run of results they were much better than I thought they would be.
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As poor as Walsall's results are they looked a decent side against us, did they just turn up for us
I said that at the Walsall game.
Given their run of results they were much better than I thought they would be.
I agree, but I think we helped them that day.
Clearly they continue to be on a downward trajectory.
From where we stood two months ago, I cannot believe we’ve gone above them.
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I think Walsall are a spent force, and be lucky to make it through the playoffs.
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Bradford at Chezzy on Monday. Really tough game that for them.
Massive game Monday
If we can get the 3 points we will be within touching distance.
Walsall have gone, they won’t get many more points and Wimbledon have port vale to come
'fraid not Matey :thumbdown:
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Latest Betfair Exchange approx odds:
Vale 6/4
Rovers 5/2
Walsall 5/1
Bratfud 11/2
Wombles 80/1
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Lyle taylor out for the rest of the season for Colchester. Probably their biggest threat.
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I think (and hope) breaking into that top 3 yesterday is a massive boost for the team. Those tired legs now won’t feel so heavy and mentally they will want to go and finish the job as quickly as possible. Beat Colchester and I feel the 78pts will do it given the form of the rest. Would be the icing on the cake of a very stressful season to seal it against Bradford.
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Lyle taylor out for the rest of the season for Colchester. Probably their biggest threat.
Threats come in many forms granted but Taylor has scored once in his last dozen games.
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It's not inconceivable that 5 teams going into the last day face the prospect of promotion or missing out and going into the play offs with 4 contesting the title.
That's just nuts but the way things are going there could be alot of shredded nerves.
You can fit the teams to the points if you wish, but save your heads getting fried.
1. P45 pts 79
2. P45 pts 79
3. P45 pts 79
4 P45 pts 77
5 P45 pts 76
Goal difference is that close now it could play a huge part too.
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Yesterday was an amazing day of results from a rovers perspective. We did what we needed to do which was get 3 points against the worst team we’ll play out of our final 4.
I hope we can overturn our season long trend of not getting results against top half teams but the way things are going it might not matter if everyone else keeps doing us favours!
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Tranmere currently playing better than our next 3 opponents
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Tranmere currently playing better than our next 3 opponents
Styles make fights and Col U’s style couldn’t be more different Tranmeres.
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Colchester will be toughest game out the 3 I reckon, nobody has lost fewer games than them this season.
I think a draw is nailed on
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Our GD is now competitive compared to the other teams - not so long ago we were way behind..
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Tough game on Monday, but would Colchester be happy to set up for a point or do they need to open up a bit and go for the win?
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Colchester have just squeezed into the play-off’s which makes it very interesting in more ways than one. Grimsby have got a very interesting game v one of our top 3 competitors and will want to get back in the top 7!
Very interesting day on Monday and let’s hope for a good end to it.
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Colchester need to win. Grimsby away form is a lot better than there home form
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According to Col U fans forum they played poorly against a ten man crewe and missed a penalty, and their shots on goal were very low (4). They are expecting a defeat on Monday. They claim to be bringing 1,000 fans to the Eco, if they do, that would be an excellent turnout for them.
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They don't concede many & if they go in front it will be very tough, we need to be resilient defensively, & patient going forward.
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It will be a battle of attrition with Colchester. Resilience will win the day. It will more than likely be a real grind.
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Having just crept in to the playoffs themselves it might add extra pressure into their game. It’s one thing to climb the league under the radar a bit like what we did last year. But now they have to maintain a playoff spot the pressure is on. Or maybe not, just a theory.
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I’ve seen mention that we beat a poor team in Tranmere.
They’ve had a big turnaround in form recently, won their last 3 home games before Friday including beating Chesterfield 4-0 in their last home game.
So make no mistake, that was a big win for us and certainly wasn’t a ‘given’.
What a finish to the season is in store now.
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Let's get this straight, it's not the fans who have bigged up expectations - it was GM in the pre-season who said he expects us to be fighting for the title.
We've been well under that all season. Most of our fans are judging success on his yard stick; automatic promotion and fighting for the title.
So it's understandable we're all getting frustrated now we're stumbling to the finish line. The run in is tough, we've got injuries, the massive squad not making a blind bit of difference, and game after game it's the same tactics that aren't really working. Run it down the wing. f**k about, take the ball too far. Hope Moly will come up with some magic. Subs around 75 mins to go all out attack in the hope of a late winner.
It's not a strategy and whether we go up or stay down, it's given me some real doubts about McCann's abilities as a manager.
Awkward
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We could still make a real mess of this but it looks on form hard for us not to get promoted given only Walsall can catch us and they haven’t won a game in their last 12 games, and would need to win at least one and hope we lose both our final games.
League One looks now pretty likely but the title is there to win. Let’s go for the silverware.
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We could still make a real mess of this but it looks on form hard for us not to get promoted given only Walsall can catch us and they haven’t won a game in their last 12 games, and would need to win at least one and hope we lose both our final games.
League One looks now pretty likely but the title is there to win. Let’s go for the silverware.
For Walsall to catch us if we lose both our games, they would have to win one and draw one to go above us, if we draw one they would need to win both
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Is 4 points off top spot with 4 games to go not fighting for the title?
No, not the way we are playing, not a chance.
Are we fighting for the title yet
How about now?
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There’s some awful posts in this thread from only 4/5 days ago.
Need to be a bit more positive, we were in a great position then and we’ve kicked on!
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We win next Saturday we will go up. Even if 4th place Walsall win we will be 4 points clear with match to go.
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There’s some awful posts in this thread from only 4/5 days ago.
Need to be a bit more positive, we were in a great position then and we’ve kicked on!
Exactly mate.
Nice to have a few more ‘believers’ on board for the final run-in!
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No chance we're going up automatically.
Best we can hope for is play offs and a huge alice of luck.
Don't fancy us at all.
Just don't have the players, the recruitment in the summer was dreadful.
Brilliant
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No chance we're going up automatically.
Best we can hope for is play offs and a huge alice of luck.
Don't fancy us at all.
Just don't have the players, the recruitment in the summer was dreadful.
Brilliant
About time some of these idiots did one
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Rapidly.
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Ah yes the ghost of ghosh
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No chance we're going up automatically.
Best we can hope for is play offs and a huge alice of luck.
Don't fancy us at all.
Just don't have the players, the recruitment in the summer was dreadful.
:byebye: :coat: