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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DearneValleyRover on May 21, 2025, 09:15:54 pm
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Rumoured to be going to Bolton
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https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294336.0
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Rumoured to be going to Bolton
If you refer to the existing thread this story was around some time ago
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In any case, why go to Bolton when he could spend the coming season in a higher league with a club that has worked well for him. Of course his club and his agent have a lot to do with this
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Surely it’s better for a keeper to be on loan, in the appropriate league, at a club where he will be tested more, over the whole season rather than individual matches?
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Different experiences and styles of play as well. Chelsea may want to see how he performs in a differing environment.
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Really good point….Very different environment, Bolton get around 20,000 per home game, bigger club, more pressure to do well. Would be another test that Chelsea would want to see how he reacts. I would think they’d suggest he would be in his comfort zone coming back thus his development is a bit too cushy.
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Or it could be down to loan fee we are in league 1 now.
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It is many years now since footballers were freed from slavedom thanks to a hitherto unknown Belgian footballer called Bosman .If TSL were to tell Chelsea he prefers DRFC to Bolton would they have the moral and contractual right to deny him that? .
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I think if the lads got ambitions, which I’m sure he has, he’d want to play at the highest level available. He must have gained from being in a promotion team last season and being realistic I would think there’s more chance of following that with another promotion at Bolton than returning to Donny. Of course he may end up going to neither and hooking a Championship club but nothing will be confirmed until the window physically opens at the earliest.
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You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.
Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?
It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.
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Who knows how this will work out, but surely the guarantee he will be first choice here (barring injury, poor form etc) and he is going up a league puts us in a great position. I dare say he will have more shots from better players to deal with next season if he comes here. We must be favourites if they want him going to League One.
I think the only way we don’t get him is if they want him at a Championship club. He could easily spend a season on the bench there though.
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Has anybody considered maybe Grant has found a different keeper he wants to bring in?
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Has anyone thought Bolton are signing him permanently rather than on loan? I can’t see any loans being considered before the Prem Clubs go back into training and start deciding who does and doesn’t make their squads
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Has anyone thought Bolton are signing him permanently rather than on loan? I can’t see any loans being considered before the Prem Clubs go back into training and start deciding who does and doesn’t make their squads
I think the article was in Football League World and was in relation to a loan. Speculation on the terms of his Chelsea contract suggests that financially it would be difficult for even a wealthy L1 club to match what he gets there. And you would imagine that even if they had a lot of spare cash they would have other spending priorities beyond a back-up goalkeeper.
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Has Grant ever got a loan player back for a 2nd spell ??
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Has Grant ever got a loan player back for a 2nd spell ??
Wow yes.
That’s an interesting point.
Certainly got me thinking.
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At the end of the day, Chelsea will decide his destination. GM won't get into a bidding war over a loan fee and have to wait for the outcome. He won't hang around identifying and pursuing a new no 1.
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He’s been called up the U21s camp ahead of the euros this summer. Squads due to get trimmed down and there’s 4 keepers at the moment. I imagine they’ll take 3 so he stands a good chance of going!
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You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.
Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?
It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.
I think the competition thing may be somewhat of a red herring Rover in that Schumacher wasn’t confident with either of his two keepers and if Bolton seriously want promotion a stronger keeper is needed. Baxter has gone and it wouldn’t surprise me if Southwood went too if we did sign a new No1 as I don’t suspect he’ll want to drop to the No2 position again and we do have a young back up keeper in Hutchinson if that’s so.
You’re right about it being no different playing L1 teams for either of us but I suspect for TSL playing in front of 20k plus crowds every week and full away followings and potentially a better chance of another promotion might be preferable. Of course everything is pure speculation at this point and he may sign for yourselves or neither of us and I know we have other targets as well, as I’m sure you have. It’s an exciting time of the year as we wait to see who comes in and who leaves for both of us and I’m sure there will be surprises. Anyway I’m glad you’re back in L1 because it’s virtually a “home” game for me from Barnsley and after your disappointment last season it was good to see you crack it this time, Champions as well.
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Are Bolton a team going forward or backwards, looks like they went backwards last season to mid table.
Not doubting your history Frankie, but if I was Grant and had TSL saying it’s you or us, I would be selling you as a club drifting into mediocrity and us on the crest of a wave, at a place and dressing room you know. :boxing:
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There will be 4 keepers at the U21 training camp
Beadle Brighton(Sheff Wed)
TSL Chelsea(Doncaster)
Goodman Crystal Palace(Wimbledon)
Siskin Stoke City (Walsall)
They will be trimmed before the Euros decision will be made on or before the 6th June
If selected fore EUROs then at least 3 weeks of June they will be involved with the squad
Meaning If TSL is selected he won’t be available to any team until mid July depending on his holiday situation
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Are Bolton a team going forward or backwards, looks like they went backwards last season to mid table.
Not doubting your history Frankie, but if I was Grant and had TSL saying it’s you or us, I would be selling you as a club drifting into mediocrity and us on the crest of a wave, at a place and dressing room you know. :boxing:
Good point 23 and you could be right it was our lowest position for 4 years last season but I’d put it entirely down to Evatt after our Wembley shambles and the negativity he engendered. Add in the weak, soft players he wasted big money on and it’s not really a surprise we struggled. We do have some quality players but not one who has an ounce of fight in them. No experience, no backbone and that’s what you need to get out of league 1 not sideways, backwards tippy tappy. Schumacher sees this and will most certainly bring in the 4 or 5 older and more experienced leader type players we’re lacking so yes last season was bad but next season I’ve no doubt we’ll be up challenging for not just top six but the automatic places. I’m sure that’s what Schu will be selling to all the potential recruits.
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I think you will be ok Frankie, and I’m only joking with you. I hope we will be up there too, but after a few years of rubbish, it’s hard to assess where we will be and what the quality difference in the leagues is.
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I’m hoping we both will but possibly with different expectations? How do you see yourselves doing, would stabilising be your aim or do you think you can aim higher than that? I know they’re probably financially stronger than Donny but Wrexham and Stockport showed what can be done and even Mansfield didn’t do too badly. Can you keep hold of your better players and what do you think you need to add to make you stronger. I think there are some very average sides in L1 so there’s no reason why if you can’t keep most of your squad in tact you can’t have a good season.
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For me, it depends on GM’s summer recruitment. He didn’t do much wrong last season, but L1 is different gravy. If he gets 80% of his targets, I’d think we’ll be ok.
Priorities at the moment is cb’s, then striker and a No1 keeper.
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The minimum is a keeper, two senior centre backs, right winger and striker. Suspect the keeper might be a loan but the centre backs and potentially striker more likely to be permanent. Still not sure that both Westbrooke and Close will both be in the squad come August. We’ve got a lot of midfielders on the books.
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TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866
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TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866
Yep. Thing is though, last season we had one of the best defences in the league, the keeper faced the second least amount of shots on target in the league and in my opinion having gone up a division we can probably assume we'll face more shots against us, so we could do with someone where shot stopping is slightly better.
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You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.
Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?
It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.
There is no reason why he can't have another good season with us as opposed to some team over the hill.
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I fully agree Les and there’s every chance that after a good season with you TSL might want to come back. If he does good luck to the lad and we move on. Personally in our current position I’d rather have a more experienced keeper at the back but they are few and far between and cost money we probably can’t afford for that position. I actually like Woodman who was on loan at Wimbledon if we do go for youth but we’re lacking experience in key defensive, midfield and striking positions so I think that’s where our money will go. We should both get more idea after the weekend when the real action starts so good luck on getting what you need.
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TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866
Yep. Thing is though, last season we had one of the best defences in the league, the keeper faced the second least amount of shots on target in the league and in my opinion having gone up a division we can probably assume we'll face more shots against us, so we could do with someone where shot stopping is slightly better.
I think someone suggested that Jones fared better than TSL on "the stats". It makes you wonder how much attention the England selectors pay to "Stats". Perhaps they prefer to judge performance more comprehensively, not placing too much regard on numbers. Or perhaps, instead of attending matches, Thomas Tuchel could just immerse himself in figures.
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TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866
Yep. Thing is though, last season we had one of the best defences in the league, the keeper faced the second least amount of shots on target in the league and in my opinion having gone up a division we can probably assume we'll face more shots against us, so we could do with someone where shot stopping is slightly better.
I think someone suggested that Jones fared better than TSL on "the stats". It makes you wonder how much attention the England selectors pay to "Stats". Perhaps they prefer to judge performance more comprehensively, not placing too much regard on numbers. Or perhaps, instead of attending matches, Thomas Tuchel could just immerse himself in figures.
Under no circumstance i would have jones over tsl. Bugger stats
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TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866
Yep. Thing is though, last season we had one of the best defences in the league, the keeper faced the second least amount of shots on target in the league and in my opinion having gone up a division we can probably assume we'll face more shots against us, so we could do with someone where shot stopping is slightly better.
I think someone suggested that Jones fared better than TSL on "the stats". It makes you wonder how much attention the England selectors pay to "Stats". Perhaps they prefer to judge performance more comprehensively, not placing too much regard on numbers. Or perhaps, instead of attending matches, Thomas Tuchel could just immerse himself in figures.
Under no circumstance i would have jones over tsl. Bugger stats
That would be fine if what he said was true. As ncRover's linked post shows and as we all already know there's multiple facets to goalkeeping. Jones is good at shot stopping but then his ability to catch a ball and how often he makes a mistake are huge let downs for him to the point where him better than TSL at shot stopping is irrelevant. We obviously saw him getting targeted by other teams for his lack of ability at catching.
Also, I wouldn't read too much into the England selectors... TSL currently has as many England U21 caps as Spennymoor's current — and our former — keeper, Jonathan Mitchell. That said, I’m sure TSL will go on to become a fine EFL keeper.
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Hhmmm
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-bolton-set-to-win-race-for-chelsea-starlet-teddy-sharman-lowe/
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Up to him and Chelsea and a shame he won’t continue his progression with rovers but in Grant we trust and I believe he’ll find another TSL, TLT or even better. Onwards and upwards and f*ck anyone who doesn’t want to be here.
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Can see the appeal in Bolton, he'll get the odd Saturday off mid-season when the team doesn't feel like turning up.
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Has he signed for anyone yet? I’ve not seen or heard anything.
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Sharman-Lowe confirmed in the under 21 squad for the EURO finals this summer.
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Sharman-Lowe confirmed in the under 21 squad for the EURO finals this summer.
Picked over Goodman from Wimbledon who I thought was one of the better keepers in the league this season. Congrats Ted
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Tournament takes place from 11 to 28 June.
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TLT over TSL if possible.
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Are there only these two goalies on the market.??
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We should only have goalkeepers with 3 initials, IDM. You're also on the shortlist.
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Bailey Peacock-Farrell?
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Can we do a starting 11 of hyphenated DRFC players?
- Ted Sharman-Lowe / Tim Lo-Tutala
- Sam Straughan-Brown
- Aaron Taylor-Sinclair
- Billy Billy-Sharp?
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El-Hadji Diouf
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El-Hadji Diouf
I also forgot the recently infamous Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
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Yun Suk-Young in a crossover with the Rovers international XI.
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Can we do a starting 11 of hyphenated DRFC players?
- Ted Sharman-Lowe / Tim Lo-Tutala
- Sam Straughan-Brown
- Aaron Taylor-Sinclair
- Billy Billy-Sharp?
Leo Fortune-West
Issam Ben-Kemis
Jonson Clarke-Harris
Michele Di Piedi??
Marc Antoine-Fortune
Tyreece John-Jules
Ro-Shaun Williams
Jos van Nieuwstadt??
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Dave-Offside- Cusack.
Colin-Legless-Douglas.
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Lewis Goodin-Training Guy
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Bloody-Rubbish Cusack
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Can we do a starting 11 of hyphenated DRFC players?
- Ted Sharman-Lowe / Tim Lo-Tutala
- Sam Straughan-Brown
- Aaron Taylor-Sinclair
- Billy Billy-Sharp?
Brilliant but ATS would never get a start lol
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Can we do a starting 11 of hyphenated DRFC players?
- Ted Sharman-Lowe / Tim Lo-Tutala
- Sam Straughan-Brown
- Aaron Taylor-Sinclair
- Billy Billy-Sharp?
Brilliant but ATS would never get a start lol
Should never have got a start, ever.
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Denis f**king Souza
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Simon RUN! Marples
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Denis f**king Souza
PMSL :thumbsup:
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Tim Shoot Ryan.
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Sam Hird-OG
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Did'nt we loan a player called Jay Emmanuelle-Thomas or did I just dream that while high on drugs! I'm leavin on a JET plane, Four years I'll be free again?
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Can we do a starting 11 of hyphenated DRFC players?
- Ted Sharman-Lowe / Tim Lo-Tutala
- Sam Straughan-Brown
- Aaron Taylor-Sinclair
- Billy Billy-Sharp?
Leo Fortune-West
Issam Ben-Kemis
Jonson Clarke-Harris
Michele Di Piedi??
Marc Antoine-Fortune
Tyreece John-Jules
Ro-Shaun Williams
Jos van Nieuwstadt??
Sir Francis Tierney
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Bolton now getting linked to the goalie Owen Goodman. The plot thickens!
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Bolton now getting linked to the goalie Owen Goodman. The plot thickens!
Just a distraction I think, news out of Chelsea and all over twitter is that the loan deals done with Bolton.
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I have not clocked that Rennie , can you link us please !
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I have not clocked that Rennie , can you link us please !
It’s Twitter not Reuters.
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Bolton now getting linked to the goalie Owen Goodman. The plot thickens!
Just a distraction I think, news out of Chelsea and all over twitter is that the loan deals done with Bolton.
You said TSL to Bolton was a done deal about 3 weeks ago…
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-teddy-sharman-lowe-bolton-wanderers-chelsea-5175729
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Well, if it's confirmed, at least we know his weakspots.
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TLT on his way to Rovers
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TLT signing today or early next week
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If this is confirmed boys, it will make alot of fans very happy.
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Been reading twitter have we :zzz:
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If Teddy has signed for Bolton here’s a scenario that may well have transpired.
Teddy would have preferred to come back & play in League One with the Rovers once he was told he’d be going back out on loan but at a higher level, why wouldn’t he?
Unless, & this is only my theory, he spoke to Grant who told him that he would be signing a permanent goalkeeper (TLT) & at best TSL would only play if Thimothee was injured or possibly in the odd cup game. That would have made Teddy’s mind up for him.
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Maybe TLT would now consider us as we made it up to league 1 only 1 division below and guaranteed first team football and not have to commute far , ticks ✅ a lot of boxes for both parties and a small fee like we did with Tom Nixon and it suited both parties then
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Maybe TLT would now consider us as we made it up to league 1 only 1 division below and guaranteed first team football and not have to commute far , ticks ✅ a lot of boxes for both parties and a small fee like we did with Tom Nixon and it suited both parties then
I also think he genuinely enjoyed his time here which I believe can play a huge part in making a decision.
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I hope you are right Uw because if not then it’s very disappointing that he’s gone to another L1 side.
Bolton have been splashing the cash recently but probably they can when they have already sold around 16000 season tickets. Thus if money is the reason, then suppose it’s something we just have to accept.
If we can’t get TLT back there are others keepers who are out of contract, including Jed Steer who doesn’t appear to have signed for anyone yet. He’s been playing in L1 so likely his wages wouldn’t be way outside what we can realistically afford within budget.
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Not just that but it's a different type of pressure playing for a bigger club, bigger crowds with big expectations isn't it?
Unfortunately for his development a move to another side possibly makes sense and for Chelsea more cash too likely.
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Bolton now getting linked to the goalie Owen Goodman. The plot thickens!
Just a distraction I think, news out of Chelsea and all over twitter is that the loan deals done with Bolton.
You said TSL to Bolton was a done deal about 3 weeks ago…
I did not realise that the volume of "Twitter" comment was significant unless of course within it there is real evidence.
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Not just that but it's a different type of pressure playing for a bigger club, bigger crowds with big expectations isn't it?
Unfortunately for his development a move to another side possibly makes sense and for Chelsea more cash too likely.
Chelsea are probably expecting Bolton to be pushing for play offs as a minimum whereas they probably expect us to get middle table so want him as high as possible to build confidence
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He may be signing for Bolton but it’s not official yet on twitter sites yes but not on Boltons official site so we wait and see.
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I fancy some tequila tonight
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I fancy some tequila tonight
Higuita coming out of retirement...?
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I fancy some tequila tonight
Higuita coming out of retirement...?
Nah, we're signing Sexo Y Marijuana
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Prices must have dropped....
BobG
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He may be signing for Bolton but it’s not official yet on twitter sites yes but not on Boltons official site so we wait and see.
He’s away on international duty, so won’t have signed
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Doesn’t stop players nowadays
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Auto pen?
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He may be signing for Bolton but it’s not official yet on twitter sites yes but not on Boltons official site so we wait and see.
He’s away on international duty, so won’t have signed
Exactly right Filo, the deal is done at Bolton but can’t/wont be confirmed until he’s back from the international tournament next week.
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Good luck to TSL then if true, we of course have no understanding if we actually sought to get him back, all the whispers I heard is that we were after a permanent signing.
So I hope no bitterness is shown to him when we play against Bolton.
You’ve got a good one though Frankie, better with his feet than most I’ve seen. His long kicking is unbelievably accurate, and he can kick further than anyone I’ve seen before, with little effort. He got braver and better with his handling as the season went on, and if he carries on at that trajectory of form, he will be an exceptionally good keeper at a higher level than league 1.
If his form does carry on, I expect he will be recalled and sent in to the championship.
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He may be signing for Bolton but it’s not official yet on twitter sites yes but not on Boltons official site so we wait and see.
He’s away on international duty, so won’t have signed
He may be signing for Bolton but it’s not official yet on twitter sites yes but not on Boltons official site so we wait and see.
He’s away on international duty, so won’t have signed
Exactly right Filo, the deal is done at Bolton but can’t/wont be confirmed until he’s back from the international tournament next week.
Ok I accept that is the case by the way it’s over 2 weeks if England get to the final.
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The new goal keeper will sign before grant takes a short break and he had a eight smile on his face when he said as much
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The new goal keeper will sign before grant takes a short break and he had a right smile on his face when he said as much
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Wouldn’t surprise me if McCann had already done the interview welcoming the goalkeeper at that point.
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TLT currently on holiday by the looks of it
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TLT currently on holiday by the looks of it
Maybe at the Sherwood forest Center Parcs? A short journey from the Eco power!
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TLT currently on holiday by the looks of it
Maybe at the Sherwood forest Center Parcs? A short journey from the Eco power!
Nope, he's not here.
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Too busy feeding turtles in Tanzania.
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I've just been told Hull paper saying season long loan for TLT,
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https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-city-transfer-round-up-10264863
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f**king hell that link is awful - it’s almost impossible to read the article on my phone, it’s worse than the DFP site.!
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Bit of copy and paste
Goalkeeper Timothee Lo-Tutala is wanted by Doncaster Rovers once again. The South Yorkshire club are looking to bolster their ranks after Grant McCann guided them to promotion. His exit would see City bring in further cover to their ranks.
Teddy Sharman-Lowe impressed at Rovers last season on loan from Chelsea, but he's linked up with Simons at Bolton ahead of the new campaign, and McCann is keen to add to his goalkeeping unit.
Lo-Tutala has been at the Eco-Power Stadium previously and is understood to be close to confirming a season-long loan move back to Rovers.
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Thank you :scarf:
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Would prefer a permenant but would take him on loan.
Hopefully with an option to buy.
Whichever way I would love to see him back here.
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He’s still only 22 and is contracted until 2028. Not had much of a chance at Hull but his youth and length of contract does feel a bit like we are developing him for them, rather than looking to eventually move. If he has the good season with us that we all want, they aren’t going to let him go.
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However at the end of the season we could be in the championship and hull could be in L1!
Because of the way he has been treated at hull, he’s unproven at L1 level, from his time with us we could see he was one of best keepers in L2. Think we have seen enough to be confident he will be a good keeper this season, but another factor his his heart seems to be us, he’s always posting in his rovers kit. Surely if we have a reasonable season we will have
A good chance of making him our permanent keeper.
Welcome home Timmy.
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He played 18 games for us and his entire career is less than 30 games. He is a young keeper and Hull put him on a long contract because keepers mature differently to outfield players and because they can see something in him. I like him and he will be a great signing but he’s going to be relatively expensive for us. There are a range of positive outcomes from next season. Us ending up in the Championship is entirely possible but not one of the more likely. Hull remaining at that level is relatively far more likely.
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Yes it would be nice to get a permanent long term deal for a young keeper. But that's quite hard to do in modern football and for us right now probably not feasible.
You can take on development centre halves but that's very difficult to do with goalkeepers and our focus with that position should be the next season and not much further.
Rank our recent goalkeepers permanent Vs loan and it tells a story for me.
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England players back home tomorrow Steve before playing Germany on Wednesday and TSL is expected to sign up at Bolton then. The deals been agreed by all accounts and now just needs the formalities completing. I’m disappointed that he didn’t get a chance to play in the two games but to be fair Beadles been excellent. TLT sounds a good alternative for you though.
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England players back home tomorrow Steve before playing Germany on Wednesday and TSL is expected to sign up at Bolton then. The deals been agreed by all accounts and now just needs the formalities completing. I’m disappointed that he didn’t get a chance to play in the two games but to be fair Beadles been excellent. TLT sounds a good alternative for you though.
TLT is probably the smarter choice of the two for us.
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England players back home tomorrow Steve before playing Germany on Wednesday and TSL is expected to sign up at Bolton then. The deals been agreed by all accounts and now just needs the formalities completing. I’m disappointed that he didn’t get a chance to play in the two games but to be fair Beadles been excellent. TLT sounds a good alternative for you though.
TLT the better shot stopper and commands his area better but prone to a mad 30 seconds. Crowd favourite and charismatic.
TSL very calm but lacks authority of his area, excellent distribution and looks like a penalty save expert. Not great at getting down quickly either side of him with shots from inside the 18 yard box.
Both have huge careers in front of them.
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England players back home tomorrow Steve before playing Germany on Wednesday and TSL is expected to sign up at Bolton then. The deals been agreed by all accounts and now just needs the formalities completing. I’m disappointed that he didn’t get a chance to play in the two games but to be fair Beadles been excellent. TLT sounds a good alternative for you though.
TLT the better shot stopper and commands his area better but prone to a mad 30 seconds. Crowd favourite and charismatic.
TSL very calm but lacks authority of his area, excellent distribution and looks like a penalty save expert. Not great at getting down quickly either side of him with shots from inside the 18 yard box.
Both have huge careers in front of them.
Penalty save expert????? Really? You weren't watching the same penalties as me then.
Agree they will both do well.
TLT over TSL for me in the next few years but expect TSL to go further.
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Made huge penalty saves in high pressure situations against Hull and Bradford. I’d say that’s pretty good going.
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Made huge penalty saves in high pressure situations against Hull and Bradford. I’d say that’s pretty good going.
Important saves doesnt make him an expert , both poor penalties.
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That’s very subjective.
They’re good penalties if the keeper guesses incorrectly. You see countless penalties scored when the keeper goes the other way.
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That’s very subjective.
They’re good penalties if the keeper guesses incorrectly. You see countless penalties scored when the keeper goes the other way.
A good penalty isn't going to be saved whatever the keeper does. A shearer penalty, or Harry Maguires for England in last shoot out.
The Bradford one was, as they say, a good height for the keeper. The Hull one was terrible. Agree that both were on target and had to be saved and I'm not taking away from that. I'm just noting it doesn't make Teddy a penalty save expert as stated on previous post that's all.
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Marquis was the worst penalty taker. Keepers often sent him the wrong way.
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Marquis was the worst penalty taker. Keepers often sent him the wrong way.
That literally made me snort my tea up my nostrils!! Thanks BB, I needed that sort of laugh out loud moment on a Monday morning full of TEAMS meetings!! :lol: :lol:
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Oh Christ...TEAMS. The worst app. Often indicative of poor organisational structure and management too.
BobG
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Ted on Instagram:
“What a year, what a club
I want to start off with a massive thank you to the gaffer, Kyle and all the staff for giving me the opportunity to play for this great club over 50 times.
To my team mates, the memories you've all help to create will stick with me forever. I've made mates for life, and can't thank everyone enough for making it such a good dressing room to be a part of.
Finally the fans. Thank you for welcoming me into your club. The support throughout the whole season was unreal. Home and away, through the ups and downs, It's been a pleasure to play in front of you and it was an amazing experience to lift the trophy with you all there!
That day we secured promotion is a day I'll never forget. From the penalty, to having you all on the pitch, through to singing in the Sal. So many amazing moments!
Thank you once again to everyone associated with the club, and I'll always have the best memories of my time at Rovers.”
Top man. Wish him all the best. In terms of his kicking and coming off his line he’s probably the best keeper I've seen at that at Rovers.
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That is a great endorsement from him.
I hope that when we play Bolton our fans give him the welcome he deserves rather than childish booing and insults because he now plays for another team. You never know we might want him back one day.
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What a man. I agree. He deserves to be applauded when we come up against him
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Great to see, good lad. Left in the right way, and gave his all, and came up trumps when it mattered. Definitely needs a good round of applause before the game. And then to have a stinker so we get back the stolen points from Bolton!
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Great to see, good lad. Left in the right way, and gave his all, and came up trumps when it mattered. Definitely needs a good round of applause before the game. And then to have a stinker so we get back the stolen points from Bolton!
Hopefully, whenever we meet, the two best keepers in the league will be on show and just hope Teddy is kept busy.
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Ted on Instagram:
“What a year, what a club
I want to start off with a massive thank you to the gaffer, Kyle and all the staff for giving me the opportunity to play for this great club over 50 times.
To my team mates, the memories you've all help to create will stick with me forever. I've made mates for life, and can't thank everyone enough for making it such a good dressing room to be a part of.
Finally the fans. Thank you for welcoming me into your club. The support throughout the whole season was unreal. Home and away, through the ups and downs, It's been a pleasure to play in front of you and it was an amazing experience to lift the trophy with you all there!
That day we secured promotion is a day I'll never forget. From the penalty, to having you all on the pitch, through to singing in the Sal. So many amazing moments!
Thank you once again to everyone associated with the club, and I'll always have the best memories of my time at Rovers.”
Top man. Wish him all the best. In terms of his kicking and coming off his line he’s probably the best keeper I've seen at that at Rovers.
Thanks for posting that nc, as someone who doesn’t use Insta I might not have known about it.
Fantastic that Teddy should take the timeout to write that message.
I just hope that when he comes to Donny as an opponent in the future that he gets a good welcome back.
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I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.
Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.
In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.
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I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.
Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.
In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.
Did Jones run over your cat?
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TSL is a really good young keeper that used his loan with us to develop further than probably he dreamed of, and so has put himself in the frame for an England call up eventually. I am so pleased that we have another one this season who may be even better! I. for one, will be quite happy to welcome back TSL with Bolton, but then hope that we put 5 or 6 reasons for going to back of his net!
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
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I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.
Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.
In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.
Did Jones run over your cat?
Doubt it,he would have missed it!
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.
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Just out of interest, Kim Book used to stand on or outside his penalty area when play was up towards the other end. At the time it was weird. But today it's clear he must have been decades ahead of his time. Lol. I can't remember him doing the sweeper role though! But surely he must have done if he was forever standing there. Anyone else remember him?
BobG
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.
Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
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Ted on Instagram:
“What a year, what a club
I want to start off with a massive thank you to the gaffer, Kyle and all the staff for giving me the opportunity to play for this great club over 50 times.
To my team mates, the memories you've all help to create will stick with me forever. I've made mates for life, and can't thank everyone enough for making it such a good dressing room to be a part of.
Finally the fans. Thank you for welcoming me into your club. The support throughout the whole season was unreal. Home and away, through the ups and downs, It's been a pleasure to play in front of you and it was an amazing experience to lift the trophy with you all there!
That day we secured promotion is a day I'll never forget. From the penalty, to having you all on the pitch, through to singing in the Sal. So many amazing moments!
Thank you once again to everyone associated with the club, and I'll always have the best memories of my time at Rovers.”
Top man. Wish him all the best. In terms of his kicking and coming off his line he’s probably the best keeper I've seen at that at Rovers.
Thanks for posting that nc, as someone who doesn’t use Insta I might not have known about it.
Fantastic that Teddy should take the timeout to write that message.
I just hope that when he comes to Donny as an opponent in the future that he gets a good welcome back.
Yes,I'm grateful to you, nc. I also don't go on Instagram and would have missed it. Really good to hear how much enjoyed and appreciated his time with us. We enjoyed having him here and I wish him all the best for the future, except against us, of course!
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.
Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.
I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.
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Signed new deal at Chelsea.
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.
Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.
I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.
xG of the more advanced providers uses position, direction, distance, etc and there's loads of in depth ones for keepers.
Post-Shot Expected Goals (PSxG)
Save Percentage Adjusted for Shot Quality
Expected Goals on Target Conceded (xGoT)
Passing and Distribution Metrics
Cross Claiming and Sweeping (xClaim)
But as I said before... However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.
This man is spreading misinformation.
I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.
Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.
I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.
xG of the more advanced providers uses position, direction, distance, etc and there's loads of in depth ones for keepers.
Post-Shot Expected Goals (PSxG)
Save Percentage Adjusted for Shot Quality
Expected Goals on Target Conceded (xGoT)
Passing and Distribution Metrics
Cross Claiming and Sweeping (xClaim)
But as I said before... However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.
THAT’S the way to explain stats Donny. I agree wholeheartedly with you’re last sentence too.
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
PL clubs and Goalkeepers are like the Nursery Rhyme about the Old woman who lived in a shoe!
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.
I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.
If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.
I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.
If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?
The loan to Bolton is one season.
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Does anyone else wonder if the TLT signing promoted the TSL statement and signing for Bolton? Seemed to be all up in the air until we secured Timmy.
All the best to Teddy, I wasn't his biggest fan at the beginning but respect what he did for us at the end. He came a long way in one season. If he can carry on like that he will be in prem in a few years max.
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‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.
A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.
Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.
Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.
Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!
I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.
I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.
If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?
The loan to Bolton is one season.
Correct Donny he’s coming to Wanderers for a one season loan but penned a new two year contract with Chelsea plus another year option, which means we can’t steal him if he does well. Obviously I haven’t seen much of him yet but with Trafford and Beadle in front of him I can’t see any way he makes the full England side and probably not even the Chelsea one so you never know he might return to Donny in the future at some point. Anyway, as for this season, I’m hoping you won’t find out how good he’s become at the Reebok because you won’t get near enough our goal to test him?
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TSL seems like a really good lad. My view is he has all the tools to become a top goalkeeper - big frame, doesn’t appear to panic under pressure, good handling and ability to take a high ball, incredible with his feet. Above all else, the evidence says he learns and improves. He was called out (rightly) for some poor decision making when coming off his line earlier in the season. It certainly looked like he fixed that and made some huge stops when attackers were put through on goal later in the season. I think we all found his shot stopping a little underwhelming on occasion, but again he seemed to improve massively towards the end of the season. He’s young, and he’s way off his peak yet, but not everyone progresses as they need to and it’s rare to see a player improve quite as obviously as TSL did over the season.
Bolton have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season and hopefully he gets the patience and support there that he did here. If that is the case then I think he has the potential to play higher than League One.
In the meantime, we also have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season. So everyone is a winner for now.
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Let’s hope so Jonathan and we may need them given the way some clubs are recruiting? ;-))
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TSL seems like a really good lad. My view is he has all the tools to become a top goalkeeper - big frame, doesn’t appear to panic under pressure, good handling and ability to take a high ball, incredible with his feet. Above all else, the evidence says he learns and improves. He was called out (rightly) for some poor decision making when coming off his line earlier in the season. It certainly looked like he fixed that and made some huge stops when attackers were put through on goal later in the season. I think we all found his shot stopping a little underwhelming on occasion, but again he seemed to improve massively towards the end of the season. He’s young, and he’s way off his peak yet, but not everyone progresses as they need to and it’s rare to see a player improve quite as obviously as TSL did over the season.
Bolton have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season and hopefully he gets the patience and support there that he did here. If that is the case then I think he has the potential to play higher than League One.
In the meantime, we also have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season. So everyone is a winner for now.
I think that's a very good summary. If he gets the nod at Bolton and continues his improvement, he'll take some shifting.
As he matures and fills out a bit, his path might depend on a bit of luck here and there, depending much on Chelsea and/or his next move.
It took Sam Johnstone some time to break through after a series of loans from Man U, but eventually, he made the grade to a top flight keeper.
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Confirmed by Bolton-season long loan.
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Fixtures out next week so we’ll find out when you get to see him and make your feeling felt. I’m sure after what he’s done for you you’ll give him a good welcome just as we would after he leaves us next summer. Loans are never simple are they? Great when they work out but disappointing when you lose them again and where they don’t work a waste of a squad place! Anyway good luck next years guys n gals.
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I and my lad will give him a good reception. Top keeper. Did well for us. Thank you TSL
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I will stick my head out and say,the season after his loan at Bolton ends, TSL will either be loaned to a championship club and starting for the Champ club or be atleast on the bench for Chelsea.
As for someone probably mistakenly thinking he was being loaned for 2 yrs,as any player ever been loaned for more than 1 year,I cannot think it's ever happened? Surely not logical for one if not both clubs involved.
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I will stick my head out and say,the season after his loan at Bolton ends, TSL will either be loaned to a championship club and starting for the Champ club or be atleast on the bench for Chelsea.
As for someone probably mistakenly thinking he was being loaned for 2 yrs,as any player ever been loaned for more than 1 year,I cannot think it's ever happened? Surely not logical for one if not both clubs involved.
Not at this level obviously but Kingsley Coman joined Bayern Munich on a two-year loan from Juventus a few years ago.
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I will stick my head out and say,the season after his loan at Bolton ends, TSL will either be loaned to a championship club and starting for the Champ club or be atleast on the bench for Chelsea.
As for someone probably mistakenly thinking he was being loaned for 2 yrs,as any player ever been loaned for more than 1 year,I cannot think it's ever happened? Surely not logical for one if not both clubs involved.
Not at this level obviously but Kingsley Coman joined Bayern Munich on a two-year loan from Juventus a few years ago.
Thanks Janso,so it does occur,and there is probably more out there,especially between top clubs
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I will stick my head out and say,the season after his loan at Bolton ends, TSL will either be loaned to a championship club and starting for the Champ club or be atleast on the bench for Chelsea.
As for someone probably mistakenly thinking he was being loaned for 2 yrs,as any player ever been loaned for more than 1 year,I cannot think it's ever happened? Surely not logical for one if not both clubs involved.
Not at this level obviously but Kingsley Coman joined Bayern Munich on a two-year loan from Juventus a few years ago.
Thanks Janso,so it does occur,and there is probably more out there,especially between top clubs
Louie Barry springs to mind...
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Jordan Houghton with some team in red and white hoops.
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Jordan Houghton with some team in red and white hoops.
That wasn't a two year loan though, it ended and he just happened to come back. Coman actually went out on loan on a two year deal.
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
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We had a better defence!
..... In League Two!
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
I remember he was a bit ropey to begin with here but grew into his role. That's my recollection, anyway.
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
100% my view on the lad. Not a good keeper, great distribution. Pretty much any good shot on target goes in. His save ratio was one of the worst in the league and we still won it. Personally don't rate him and never did.
That said, will always be indebted to the penalty save against Bradford.
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It’s all opinions but I rated him.
Superb distribution, agile and I don’t remember many big mistakes or howlers.
Obviously gone up a level.
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I agree TSL brought confidence to his defence. Great shot stopper. Distribution brilliant. Only fault I found with him, at times he slowed down getting the ball out when we could have had breaks on.
At this moment TLT comes a very poor second. Hopefully that will change
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A very poor keeper who will continue to cost you points.
Couldn’t stop a pig in a passage.
Your best bet is to mount a campaign to get him out.
We’ll reluctantly take him as our No.3 choice.
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Started very average here but just got better and better. He was ace after November/December. Best attributes are pens and distribution.
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
Now you know why some of us were relieved he didn't sign for us.
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
While he did improve during his time here, and he did make some good individual stops as all keepers do, in general his shot stopping was never great. His huge strength was his distribution, and we're at our best when playing quick, direct counter attacking football, so his top-class passing ability really benefitted our style of play. That massive positive probably gained us more points than his weak shot stopping cost us.
Not sure what Bolton's style of play is but if you're not set up to take advantage of his passing ability then that cost-benefit equation probably doesn't balance out for you.
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Don’t remember him having any howlers like TSL at Gillingham, home to Blackpool, home to Wimbledon x2, away at Wigan.All in the last dozen matches I’d say too. Opinions ey?
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Thanks guys, we’ll probably just have to hope he improves as he did with you. I think so far we’re finding the same as you did that his big strength is his distribution which for us with two pacy wingers is a big plus but then I’d rather have average distribution and better saves to shots which at the moment is pretty dire. Anyway it doesn’t look like his replacement with you is pulling up any trees so let’s just hope both of them improve over time?
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Don’t remember him having any howlers like TSL at Gillingham, home to Blackpool, home to Wimbledon x2, away at Wigan.All in the last dozen matches I’d say too. Opinions ey?
TLT, yeah I know it’s a typo.
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A very poor keeper who will continue to cost you points.
Couldn’t stop a pig in a passage.
Your best bet is to mount a campaign to get him out.
We’ll reluctantly take him as our No.3 choice.
A bit harsh, that.
I don't see how a team can win a league title with a very poor keeper.
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Can’t believe people are saying he was poor here,no real howlers last season with the worst probably when he slipped at chesterfield and then while he didn’t have a great save ratio that is a lot being down to having a decent defence with not allowing many shots on target,think he will just get better with age and won’t even hit his peak for another 7 or 8 years either
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Don’t remember him having any howlers like TSL at Gillingham, home to Blackpool, home to Wimbledon x2, away at Wigan.All in the last dozen matches I’d say too. Opinions ey?
When you put it like this, it makes the TLT situation pretty concerning. That's a lot of bad errors leading to goals.
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Sorry for bringing this back up to the top of the thread guys but we’re ten games in now and we’re having a problem over here understanding why Teddy was so popular with you last year. He actually hasn’t made a save yet and let’s almost anything through him. He has very little composure with high balls preferring to punch all the time and certainly doesn’t dominate his area. His one saving grace is his distribution because some of his long passes are exquisite but you surely need more than that from a keeper. I know he was really popular either way you but was he really that good a keeper or did your strong defence flatter him. At the moment he’s costing us points and many want him dropped for our No2 keeper Miller who’s been superb in the cups but I thought I’d try to get your opinion since you’ve seen much more of him.
100% my view on the lad. Not a good keeper, great distribution. Pretty much any good shot on target goes in. His save ratio was one of the worst in the league and we still won it. Personally don't rate him and never did.
That said, will always be indebted to the penalty save against Bradford.
This is how I remember things. Almost every shot he faced went in for the first 6 months.
He did improve massively and was great in the run in, peaking with the penalty save against Bradford. Us supporters have short memories. You’re only as good as your last game etc. so I suppose this is why his disappointing early season performances have been scrubbed from our memories. That said, his distribution is amongst the best I’ve ever seen by any keeper at any level.
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Had the typical tall keeper issues with shot stopping and positional placement, obviously a young and agile keeper and his penalty save against Bradford was an example. Also had the modern tendency to stay on his line and never attack a ball in his 6 yard box, leaving it to his defenders, when he did go for a ball it was always to punch it clear which is fair enough if you may struggle to catch it, i got he impression that he was set up to punch everything regardless.
Distribution and kicking from both hand and floor was superb and his spacial awareness was sound, always very quick to spot an issue and deal with it. I'd say he will make a very competent keeper for a championship club in time.
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Lets agree if we could merge TSL and TLTs best attributes together we would have one hell of a keeper
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Not sure where these memories from some people come from. TSL is a 1000 times the player TLT is. I genuinly get concerned at every single corner or when the balls knocked back to TLT, must be terrible to play behind.
Would swap without even giving it a second thought.
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Recollections may differ!
1000times the player is absurd.
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This whole situation does show that you cant judge players over short periods of time. TLT on the first loan looked to everyone that he was a world beater and should be playing in the Hull first team. This time around hes essentially looked useless. The truth is obviously in between but Hull certainly knew he wasnt a world beater thats for sure.
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A very poor keeper who will continue to cost you points.
Couldn’t stop a pig in a passage.
Your best bet is to mount a campaign to get him out.
We’ll reluctantly take him as our No.3 choice.
A bit harsh, that.
I don't see how a team can win a league title with a very poor keeper.
The ‘clue’ is in the final sentence ss!
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I really don’t understand how the metric for shots faced vs saved works, how can that even be standardised to provide anything that is meaningful?
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A very poor keeper who will continue to cost you points.
Couldn’t stop a pig in a passage.
Your best bet is to mount a campaign to get him out.
We’ll reluctantly take him as our No.3 choice.
A bit harsh, that.
I don't see how a team can win a league title with a very poor keeper.
I suspect Usher’s tongue was firmly in his cheek there Scawsby!
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A very poor keeper who will continue to cost you points.
Couldn’t stop a pig in a passage.
Your best bet is to mount a campaign to get him out.
We’ll reluctantly take him as our No.3 choice.
A bit harsh, that.
I don't see how a team can win a league title with a very poor keeper.
The post you quoted was a joke but we did win this league with Gary Woods in the net. Shows how superhuman that defensive setup under Saunders/Flynn was.
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Oh dear, it looks like I've been WHOOSHED. I'm dropping some b*ll*cks on here lately with misunderstanding people's posts.
I'm blaming the cookie attacks for this.
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I really don’t understand how the metric for shots faced vs saved works, how can that even be standardised to provide anything that is meaningful?
It's not a bad stat if it shows a consistent trend over a long period of time.
I felt the GK was our weakest position last season but that TSL stood up in the last 7-10 games where it mattered in the pressure. No doubt that his shot stopping isn't the best but that's not necessarily what's important currently in football for some reason. Distribution though was unbelievable imo, the best I've seen.
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Following his heroics in the FA cup game at Hull you could see his confidence grow and for the rest of the season he was a good reliable keeper with excellent distribution.
Confidence is a massive factor for a keeper.
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Following his heroics in the FA cup game at Hull you could see his confidence grow and for the rest of the season he was a good reliable keeper with excellent distribution.
Confidence is a massive factor for a keeper.
I agree with that SCC, that was a big turning point for TSL - the big save and coming across and the whole away end chanting his name - for the first time of lots of times! I think TSL and TLT will come good, a bit of love and confidence and they'll be back - and we're lucky to have Lawlor who can come in and do well and give us that strong cover while Timmy has a break.
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This whole situation does show that you cant judge players over short periods of time. TLT on the first loan looked to everyone that he was a world beater and should be playing in the Hull first team. This time around hes essentially looked useless. The truth is obviously in between but Hull certainly knew he wasnt a world beater thats for sure.
I disagree with this Gaz. He hasn't looked useless. He made some very good stops in first few games, saves that IMO TSL wouldn't have made. Then there have been some incidents that I think people are making into kore than they were, for example the punch against Wigan that went to the edge of the area, we had 11 players between the player and the goal, yet when it goes in people on here slating Tim. I said at the time it wasn't an error, an error would be missing the punch or scuffing it.
All calling for the chop then against Spurs low and behold that exact error is made and not a peep.
TLT is a better keeper than TSL. But TSL is lightyears ahead on distribution.
Opinions hey.
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This whole situation does show that you cant judge players over short periods of time. TLT on the first loan looked to everyone that he was a world beater and should be playing in the Hull first team. This time around hes essentially looked useless. The truth is obviously in between but Hull certainly knew he wasnt a world beater thats for sure.
I disagree with this Gaz. He hasn't looked useless. He made some very good stops in first few games, saves that IMO TSL wouldn't have made. Then there have been some incidents that I think people are making into kore than they were, for example the punch against Wigan that went to the edge of the area, we had 11 players between the player and the goal, yet when it goes in people on here slating Tim. I said at the time it wasn't an error, an error would be missing the punch or scuffing it.
All calling for the chop then against Spurs low and behold that exact error is made and not a peep.
TLT is a better keeper than TSL. But TSL is lightyears ahead on distribution.
Opinions hey.
Several posters mentioned the poor punch by Lawlor which led to the first Spurs goal.