TSL

[idler]

That is a great endorsement from him.
I hope that when we play Bolton our fans give him the welcome he deserves rather than childish booing and insults because he now plays for another team. You never know we might want him back one day.

[Spilsby Red]

What a man. I agree. He deserves to be applauded when we come up against him

[Reg of the Rovers]

Great to see, good lad. Left in the right way, and gave his all, and came up trumps when it mattered. Definitely needs a good round of applause before the game. And then to have a stinker so we get back the stolen points from Bolton!

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Great to see, good lad. Left in the right way, and gave his all, and came up trumps when it mattered. Definitely needs a good round of applause before the game. And then to have a stinker so we get back the stolen points from Bolton!

Hopefully, whenever we meet, the two best keepers in the league will be on show and just hope Teddy is kept busy.

[drfchound]

Ted on Instagram:

“What a year, what a club

I want to start off with a massive thank you to the gaffer, Kyle and all the staff for giving me the opportunity to play for this great club over 50 times.

To my team mates, the memories you've all help to create will stick with me forever. I've made mates for life, and can't thank everyone enough for making it such a good dressing room to be a part of.

Finally the fans. Thank you for welcoming me into your club. The support throughout the whole season was unreal. Home and away, through the ups and downs, It's been a pleasure to play in front of you and it was an amazing experience to lift the trophy with you all there!

That day we secured promotion is a day I'll never forget. From the penalty, to having you all on the pitch, through to singing in the Sal. So many amazing moments!

Thank you once again to everyone associated with the club, and I'll always have the best memories of my time at Rovers.”

Top man. Wish him all the best. In terms of his kicking and coming off his line he’s probably the best keeper I've seen at that at Rovers.

Thanks for posting that nc, as someone who doesn’t use Insta I might not have known about it.
Fantastic that Teddy should take the timeout to write that message.
I just hope that when he comes to Donny as an opponent in the future that he gets a good welcome back.

[ForsolongaRover]

I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.

Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.

In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.

[vaya]

I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.

Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.

In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.

Did Jones run over your cat?

[Barmby Rover]

TSL is a really good young keeper that used his loan with us to develop further than probably he dreamed of, and so has put himself in the frame for an England call up eventually. I am so pleased that we have another one this season who may be even better! I. for one, will be quite happy to welcome back TSL with Bolton, but then hope that we put 5 or 6 reasons for going to back of his net!

[ForsolongaRover]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

[DonnyOsmond]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

[Drover]

I would put Sullivan and Harry Gregg in the frame as well. Sully was super-reliable, if a bit worrying, as all goal-line keepers are/were and I can’t remember many games when he let us down. Gregg was a trend-setter in that he was the first I saw who would challenge for the ball anywhere in the box and sometimes got chipped which was perhaps easier with old heavy ball. Of course those were days when TV did not extend to provide a comprehensive view of the wider perspective of developing styles. Nevertheless I remember him being cited as the best goalkeeper in the world after a match in Italy I think.

Having said all that, the modern goalkeeping style is probably more effectual as Goalkeepers have extended their territory well into their home half. Indeed you might speculate that in doing so the effective strength of a team is now at least 11.5 or even more.

In that respect TSL was a prime example of an individual who worked hard to develop those qualities and in my view made a good job of it. Of course, the more adventurous any behaviour is, the greater the risk and the reward, so some might dwell on the consequences of the style without weighing it against the overall benefit. This is probably illustrated by the alleged fact that Jones “stats” are better than TSL’s.

Did Jones run over your cat?

Doubt it,he would have missed it!

[ForsolongaRover]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

[BobG]

Just out of interest, Kim Book used to stand on or outside his penalty area when play was up towards  the other end. At the time it was weird. But today it's clear he must have been decades ahead of his time. Lol. I can't remember him doing the sweeper role though! But surely he must have done if he was forever standing there. Anyone else remember him?

BobG

[DonnyOsmond]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

[CottyRover]

Ted on Instagram:

“What a year, what a club

I want to start off with a massive thank you to the gaffer, Kyle and all the staff for giving me the opportunity to play for this great club over 50 times.

To my team mates, the memories you've all help to create will stick with me forever. I've made mates for life, and can't thank everyone enough for making it such a good dressing room to be a part of.

Finally the fans. Thank you for welcoming me into your club. The support throughout the whole season was unreal. Home and away, through the ups and downs, It's been a pleasure to play in front of you and it was an amazing experience to lift the trophy with you all there!

That day we secured promotion is a day I'll never forget. From the penalty, to having you all on the pitch, through to singing in the Sal. So many amazing moments!

Thank you once again to everyone associated with the club, and I'll always have the best memories of my time at Rovers.”

Top man. Wish him all the best. In terms of his kicking and coming off his line he’s probably the best keeper I've seen at that at Rovers.

Thanks for posting that nc, as someone who doesn’t use Insta I might not have known about it.
Fantastic that Teddy should take the timeout to write that message.
I just hope that when he comes to Donny as an opponent in the future that he gets a good welcome back.

Yes,I'm grateful to you, nc. I also don't go on Instagram and would have missed it. Really good to hear how much enjoyed and appreciated his time with us. We enjoyed having him here and I wish him all the best for the future, except against us, of course!

[ForsolongaRover]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is  difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.

I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.

[Chris Black come back]

Signed new deal at Chelsea.

[DonnyOsmond]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is  difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.

I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.

xG of the more advanced providers uses position, direction, distance, etc and there's loads of in depth ones for keepers.

Post-Shot Expected Goals (PSxG)
Save Percentage Adjusted for Shot Quality
Expected Goals on Target Conceded (xGoT)
Passing and Distribution Metrics
Cross Claiming and Sweeping (xClaim)

But as I said before... However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

[Usher wide.]

Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is  difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.

I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.

xG of the more advanced providers uses position, direction, distance, etc and there's loads of in depth ones for keepers.

Post-Shot Expected Goals (PSxG)
Save Percentage Adjusted for Shot Quality
Expected Goals on Target Conceded (xGoT)
Passing and Distribution Metrics
Cross Claiming and Sweeping (xClaim)

But as I said before... However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

THAT’S the way to explain stats Donny. I agree wholeheartedly with you’re last sentence too.

[Usher wide.]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

[ForsolongaRover]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

PL clubs and Goalkeepers are like the Nursery Rhyme about the Old woman who lived in a shoe!

[NickDRFC]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.

[Usher wide.]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.

I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.

If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?

[DonnyOsmond]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.

I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.

If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?

The loan to Bolton is one season.

[Ryaldinhio]

Does anyone else wonder if the TLT signing promoted the TSL statement and signing for Bolton? Seemed to be all up in the air until we secured Timmy.

All the best to Teddy, I wasn't his biggest fan at the beginning but respect what he did for us at the end. He came a long way in one season. If he can carry on like that he will be in prem in a few years max.

[Frankie Rennie]

‘Chelsea News’ is saying the deal for Teddy to Bolton will be announced today.

A two year loan deal with an option for a third as long as Teddy remains first choice & Bolton make it into the Championship.

Not heard of any loan deal along those lines before.

Bolton obviously rate Teddy & Chelsea clearly believe his development is best served with them.

Good luck Teddy, deep down though you’ll always hanker after being a Rover!

I think you’ve probably misread that - it’d make more sense to be a 2 year deal with an option for one more at Chelsea, and (separately) a loan to Bolton.

I believe he’s signed a contract with Chelsea until 2028.

If that’s the case a two year loan with an option for another year gives Chelsea the opportunity to either take Teddy back or sell him (with Bolton obviously having first option under the agreement?)
to Bolton given their standing & financial state come 2028. An astute bit of marketing by Chelsea or am I missing something?

The loan to Bolton is one season.

Correct Donny he’s coming to Wanderers for a one season loan but penned a new two year contract with Chelsea plus another year option, which means we can’t steal him if he does well. Obviously I haven’t seen much of him yet but with Trafford and Beadle in front of him I can’t see any way he makes the full England side and probably not even the Chelsea one so you never know he might return to Donny in the future at some point. Anyway, as for this season, I’m hoping you won’t find out how good he’s become at the Reebok because you won’t get near enough our goal to test him?

[Jonathan]

TSL seems like a really good lad. My view is he has all the tools to become a top goalkeeper - big frame, doesn’t appear to panic under pressure, good handling and ability to take a high ball, incredible with his feet. Above all else, the evidence says he learns and improves. He was called out (rightly) for some poor decision making when coming off his line earlier in the season. It certainly looked like he fixed that and made some huge stops when attackers were put through on goal later in the season. I think we all found his shot stopping a little underwhelming on occasion, but again he seemed to improve massively towards the end of the season. He’s young, and he’s way off his peak yet, but not everyone progresses as they need to and it’s rare to see a player improve quite as obviously as TSL did over the season.

Bolton have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season and hopefully he gets the patience and support there that he did here. If that is the case then I think he has the potential to play higher than League One.

In the meantime, we also have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season. So everyone is a winner for now.

[Frankie Rennie]

Let’s hope so Jonathan and we may need them given the way some clubs are recruiting? ;-))

[DonnyBazR0ver]

TSL seems like a really good lad. My view is he has all the tools to become a top goalkeeper - big frame, doesn’t appear to panic under pressure, good handling and ability to take a high ball, incredible with his feet. Above all else, the evidence says he learns and improves. He was called out (rightly) for some poor decision making when coming off his line earlier in the season. It certainly looked like he fixed that and made some huge stops when attackers were put through on goal later in the season. I think we all found his shot stopping a little underwhelming on occasion, but again he seemed to improve massively towards the end of the season. He’s young, and he’s way off his peak yet, but not everyone progresses as they need to and it’s rare to see a player improve quite as obviously as TSL did over the season.

Bolton have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season and hopefully he gets the patience and support there that he did here. If that is the case then I think he has the potential to play higher than League One.

In the meantime, we also have an excellent young goalkeeper for next season. So everyone is a winner for now.

I think that's a very good summary. If he gets the nod at Bolton and continues his improvement, he'll take some shifting.

As he matures and fills out a bit, his path might depend on a bit of luck here and there, depending much on Chelsea and/or his next move.

It took Sam Johnstone some time  to break through after a series of loans from Man U, but eventually, he made the grade to a top flight keeper.

[donnyguy]

Confirmed by Bolton-season long loan.