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Title: TLT
Post by: Butchers Red on November 29, 2025, 07:47:28 pm
Hats off to the lad today - his performances are steadily growing over the last 3 or 4 games and he's looking more like the TLT back half of Season 23-24. Made some smart saves low down, quick off his line to balls over the top and generally looks more assured. A settled back 4 with TLT behind them and we'll be alright second half of the season.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on November 29, 2025, 07:55:16 pm
Hats off to the lad today - his performances are steadily growing over the last 3 or 4 games and he's looking more like the TLT back half of Season 23-24. Made some smart saves low down, quick off his line to balls over the top and generally looks more assured. A settled back 4 with TLT behind them and we'll be alright second half of the season.

I agree that he was much better today but it worries me that he spills saves too often.
I’m still not used to his standard of kicking (after watching  TSL last season).
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Branton Red on November 29, 2025, 07:59:46 pm
He made some good saves today. Credit to him. Came smartly off his line to prevent a goal first half too.

He also got away with palming 2 shots needlessly into the centre of the penalty area and dropping a low cross with a Peterborough player in close attendance.

We could very easily have ended up dropping 2 or even 3 more points due to his errors again.

Not for me - needs replacing in January as a priority.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: donnievic on November 29, 2025, 08:38:38 pm
Hats off to the lad today - his performances are steadily growing over the last 3 or 4 games and he's looking more like the TLT back half of Season 23-24. Made some smart saves low down, quick off his line to balls over the top and generally looks more assured. A settled back 4 with TLT behind them and we'll be alright second half of the season.

I agree that he was much better today but it worries me that he spills saves too often.
I’m still not used to his standard of kicking (after watching  TSL last season).
bit harsh on him that with the weather as it was again today
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on November 29, 2025, 08:40:01 pm
Hats off to the lad today - his performances are steadily growing over the last 3 or 4 games and he's looking more like the TLT back half of Season 23-24. Made some smart saves low down, quick off his line to balls over the top and generally looks more assured. A settled back 4 with TLT behind them and we'll be alright second half of the season.

I agree that he was much better today but it worries me that he spills saves too often.
I’m still not used to his standard of kicking (after watching  TSL last season).
bit harsh on him that with the weather as it was again today

That may well be a factor but I’m not just referring to today.
It is persistent with his play.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: 1-0 to the Doncaster on November 29, 2025, 09:19:25 pm
He was poor once again. Extremely lucky with the way he parried the ball today. To stay in this league it is a no brainer we need a replacement. Lots of good keepers available on loan. Easiest position to fill. I'm sure it will happen. He's nowhere near league 1 standard.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Goole Rover on November 29, 2025, 10:18:33 pm
It’s my belief that you will change your opinion before the end of the season.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: 1-0 to the Doncaster on November 29, 2025, 10:24:10 pm
It’s my belief that you will change your opinion before the end of the season.
Whilst I hope you are correct, if I was Grant I would act quick. A solid keeper with confidence will make or break that back four.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Goole Rover on November 29, 2025, 10:36:16 pm
It’s my belief that you will change your opinion before the end of the season.
Whilst I hope you are correct, if I was Grant I would act quick. A solid keeper with confidence will make or break that back four.
What a very pleasant reply I really do appreciate this, not the often argumentative reply, thank you.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Fal on November 29, 2025, 10:42:43 pm
The goalkeeper position like i said last season at roughly around the same stage is the least of our concerns at the minute.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on November 30, 2025, 09:11:24 am
TLT had a really good game in testing conditions yesterday. I think the criticism is a little harsh.

I think there's a good chance he will find a permanent home with us in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Branton Red on November 30, 2025, 11:01:18 am

I think there's a good chance he will find a permanent home with us in the not too distant future.

Please tell me I've read this out of context and you actually work in the Sales department of a housebuilder.....

....preferably based somewhere like Aberdeenshire or Cornwall.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 30, 2025, 11:03:44 am
He’s fine. A few slips recently but generally a solid keeper. Least of our current recruitment priorities.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Ian Nimmo on November 30, 2025, 03:30:39 pm
I have said this before that some need to remember that he is still only 22, relatively young for a goalkeeper, so yes it’s more than likely he will make mistakes.
Plus his game time in competitive league games has been somewhat limited in past years, but still think he his a good keeper and has the potential to improve and play at a higher level.
I know some will come back and say well TSL was younger and a better keeper, but reality is that if he maintains his improvement we will never be able to sign him.
At least we have a keeper we may be able to make our own should he continue to improve, which personally I think he will do.

Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 30, 2025, 04:00:47 pm
It's probably unsophisticated to say that he looks a better keeper than Sharman-Lowe, but his distribution isn't as good.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: jmt23 on November 30, 2025, 04:42:55 pm
He will only get better.

He’s never going to be better than TSL for long range distribution that is very clear, and he still has some basics to work on, like when he saves a shot, he pushes it towards the penalty spot, rather than away to either side of the box. He is very alert to through balls though, and isn’t scared to come and take the hit if needed.

He is more than good enough at this level, I certainly wouldn’t swap him for Peterborough’s keeper - ooffhh he’s bad with the ball.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: ncRover on November 30, 2025, 04:49:09 pm
TSL had the best distribution I’ve ever seen from a Rovers keeper. Was great coming off his line as well.
TLT more of an old-fashioned keeper. Better shot-stopper. Don’t forget the Gordon Banks inspired Wrexham save.

I wouldn’t end his loan. I would let him get some consistency and improve. Changing keepers is too much of a risk for marginal gains.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: jmt23 on November 30, 2025, 05:43:25 pm
I hope that’s not even a thought.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: keith79 on November 30, 2025, 05:49:40 pm
Hes a great keeper for our level. We are lucky to have him
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: MachoMadness on November 30, 2025, 07:23:50 pm
Remember the only time we previously saw him was when he played behind a team that was on a historic winning run, at the level below. And we were comparing him to years of dross in the seasons before. Mitchell, Jones, Dahlberg etc so he was like a breath of fresh air. Now we're not in once-a-century form and we're playing a step up, so he's under more pressure in games.

He was clearly struggling a few weeks back but he's getting back to good form now.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on November 30, 2025, 08:55:10 pm
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Bills view on November 30, 2025, 08:57:20 pm
For me he’s done ok since he came back in. The last two games the weather was appalling.

He’s made some good saves and been more assured. Not perfect but much better as he looked nervous at times.

His long distribution needs work but if a keeper had everything they would not be in league one.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: colincramb on December 01, 2025, 05:16:01 am
What I do think is that he’s not in the same class as TSL. So we’ve gone up a level and have a worse keeper than last season
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Ian Nimmo on December 01, 2025, 09:50:31 am
You may be correct cc however it’s somewhat irrelevant because its likely TSL will have been outside of our budget.
It’s also unlikely we could have recruited or loaned anyone similar to TSL.
Having said that I still consider TLT is a good keeper for this league.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Nudga on December 01, 2025, 11:37:04 am
Last I saw Bolton fans weren't impressed with TSL.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: ForsolongaRover on December 01, 2025, 12:39:10 pm
For me he’s done ok since he came back in. The last two games the weather was appalling.

He’s made some good saves and been more assured. Not perfect but much better as he looked nervous at times.

His long distribution needs work but if a keeper had everything they would not be in league one.

Am I mistaken or did he not deliver (in his first spell) some fast really effective long throws upfield, to Adelukan in particular, which caught opposition defences out of position? Good distribution needs good targets, so are the players upfield getting into positions to provide targets? This is associated with one attribute that he does have, which is speed, and the team as a whole may not be playing their part in fully exploiting this in terms of getting a quick break into attack.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Butchers Red on December 03, 2025, 11:29:01 am
It was noticeable last night how much Tims confidence has improved, he was extremely vocal all night and marshalled his defence very well, plus his all round contributions had a snap to it, shifting the ball quickly and with none of the slightly ponderous look about him in early season. Great to see.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 03, 2025, 12:19:15 pm
It was noticeable last night how much Tims confidence has improved, he was extremely vocal all night and marshalled his defence very well, plus his all round contributions had a snap to it, shifting the ball quickly and with none of the slightly ponderous look about him in early season. Great to see.


The JP Trophy games are good for hearing the communication between the players. You just don’t get to hear it when the stadiums full.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Spud on December 03, 2025, 01:20:19 pm
What Gaz said. I enjoy these games, it's a nice change. Tim's been vocal all season "Sean, left shoulder!"
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: adamtherover on December 03, 2025, 05:58:57 pm
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.
he did it last nite with the only save he had all match. Sends it forwards to a waiting striker in stead of sideways to safety..
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 03, 2025, 08:42:02 pm
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.
he did it last nite with the only save he had all match. Sends it forwards to a waiting striker in stead of sideways to safety..

Yes, I thought that at the time.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 03, 2025, 11:34:34 pm
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.
he did it last nite with the only save he had all match. Sends it forwards to a waiting striker in stead of sideways to safety..

Yes, I thought that at the time.

Yep me too.
I wrote about this trait of his a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: 5minstogo on December 04, 2025, 07:10:30 am
If you watch the warm ups, Lawlor is very reluctant to catch the ball as well.  Is it something that is being actively coached?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 04, 2025, 02:18:32 pm
Think it comes naturally to Lawlor, no need for coaching.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 07, 2025, 08:14:30 am
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.

As I said… Chesterfield high lifted the fact TLT parties shots back into the danger area. Video attached.

To be fair to him it wasn’t the easiest shot to get out of the danger area but could have done better.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Usher wide. on December 07, 2025, 08:39:01 am
Has has a habit (technical fault) where he parries the ball into dangerous areas after making a save. He did it again yesterday, just lucky it went to one of our men.

As I said… Chesterfield high lifted the fact TLT parties shots back into the danger area. Video attached.

To be fair to him it wasn’t the easiest shot to get out of the danger area but could have done better.

They highlighted & he parried.

Your link doesn’t appear to be working?

Apart from that all good except, we could all do ‘better’ couldn’t we?

Catch instead of parrying, check for predictive text before sending.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 07, 2025, 08:42:23 am
Looking at their goal in isolation, I agree with McCann that it was more than anything a good save. It was a powerful shot that came from behind a screen of players and was heading low. Not an easy shot to see or save. He parried and they scored but it was a good save that our defenders should maybe have reacted to quicker. He may parry easier shots when he can do better, but their goal was fundamentally just a good stop from him initially.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Usher wide. on December 07, 2025, 08:44:36 am
Looking at their goal in isolation, I agree with McCann that it was more than anything a good save. It was a powerful shot that came from behind a screen of players and was heading low. Not an easy shot to see or save. He parried and they scored but it was a good save that our defenders should maybe have reacted to quicker. He may parry easier shots when he can do better, but their goal was fundamentally just a good stop from him initially.

Always nice to have some context behind posts.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: turnbull for england on December 07, 2025, 08:49:10 am
Looking at their goal in isolation, I agree with McCann that it was more than anything a good save. It was a powerful shot that came from behind a screen of players and was heading low. Not an easy shot to see or save. He parried and they scored but it was a good save that our defenders should maybe have reacted to quicker. He may parry easier shots when he can do better, but their goal was fundamentally just a good stop from him initially.

Always nice to have some context behind posts.

Or between them in this case
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 07, 2025, 09:06:30 am
Looking at their goal in isolation, I agree with McCann that it was more than anything a good save. It was a powerful shot that came from behind a screen of players and was heading low. Not an easy shot to see or save. He parried and they scored but it was a good save that our defenders should maybe have reacted to quicker. He may parry easier shots when he can do better, but their goal was fundamentally just a good stop from him initially.

Analysis is not really best served in isolation though is it. It was a clean strike from Liam and a decent save, but will TLT think he could have done a bit better dealing with it? I think so. The percentage of saves he makes that steer the ball back into the danger area is too high. That’s just a fact. By doing that and teams being aware of it, means there is an increased likelihood of them following in shots, thus increasing the chances of them scoring from situations like last night that are situations that are not necessarily total howlers.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Spilsby Red on December 07, 2025, 09:21:02 am
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Barmby Rover on December 07, 2025, 10:31:11 am
Modern goalkeeping is crap. And it is all down to coaching, goalies (not just TLT) are incapable of catching a ball in the air, and are incapable of smothering a ball when a shot comes in. Punches and parries just set you up for more pressure.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Fal on December 07, 2025, 10:44:30 am
Imagine saying he could've done better with that shot, fast powerful shot through a group of players. The ball could've been parried anywhere but sadly it fell to their player which happens.

He currently is a League One goalkeeper, not a premier league or international, honestly some of our fans are idiots with what they expect out of our players.

We lose - "We are so shit is unbelievable, need to get rid of (insert player name)"
We win - "HMS Piss the league is back on track"
Bad pass or mistake - "He is a liability and needs to be replaced by (insert player name)"
Misses a chance - "(insert player name) would've buried that, we need a definite replacement in January"
Go 1-0 down - "McCann needs to go, (insert player name) needs to be taken off"
Come back and win - "Amazing peformance, well deserved even if we didnt play well"

At this point it is becoming laughable
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 07, 2025, 10:59:23 am
Very harsh again to suggest TLT could have done better. He didn't have time to think about pushing the ball away, he had all on to save it in the first place.

The debate should be about the two or three opportunities we had to clear the ball before it landed in Mandevilles path. What Clifton was doing I don't know to allow their player to recycle the ball back into the box. We could also say Bailey could have blocked the goalscorers path to the follow up.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 07, 2025, 12:12:27 pm
We can all look at individual players and individual performance but the big picture is we have stepped up a level and aside from a few games (Orient springs to mind) we have been competitive in the vast majority of games we have played. Some we were lucky to win, many we were unlucky to lose. The performances have generally been good. That’s as much as we can ask for really. We will likely stay up and have a good cup run(s). That’s decent for the first season back.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: andyst79 on December 07, 2025, 01:51:36 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.
Got to agree with this, saw it at the very last moment . If our defender hooks the rebound away everyone's saying what a save that was. Too easy to be critical of things after watching the slow motion
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 07, 2025, 02:08:49 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.

It was a great save but it was nearer to 15 yards out.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: CJK on December 07, 2025, 05:52:39 pm
I was interested to hear Gary Roberts post match interview. He said they'd identified that TLT had a tendency to parry shots and that they were going to ensure they were following shots up. That says quite a bit for me. I've wondered several times why he hasn't held the ball instead of parry it in other games.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Blue Green Algae on December 07, 2025, 06:12:27 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.

It was a great save but it was nearer to 15 yards out.
For some reason Grant has taken umbrage at this, calling it disrespectful. The facts are they identified it as a weakness, and ended up scoring from it.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 07, 2025, 06:18:46 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.

It was a great save but it was nearer to 15 yards out.
For some reason Grant has taken umbrage at this, calling it disrespectful. The facts are they identified it as a weakness, and ended up scoring from it.

I'd be disappointed if any manager didn't encourage his players to follow in on shots, no matter who the keeper is.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Spilsby Red on December 07, 2025, 06:22:08 pm
No where near 15 yards.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 07, 2025, 06:56:13 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.

It was a great save but it was nearer to 15 yards out.
For some reason Grant has taken umbrage at this, calling it disrespectful. The facts are they identified it as a weakness, and ended up scoring from it.

I'd be disappointed if any manager didn't encourage his players to follow in on shots, no matter who the keeper is.


Conversely our defenders have to be even more switched on and react to and potential spillages.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: idler on December 07, 2025, 07:20:10 pm
The thing is that most defenders were facing towards the shooter as the shot came in whereas their forwards were facing the goal. By the time defenders had turned the attackers had move a pace or more goalwards. It happens so quickly but I would be coaching TLT to try to parry further to the side. Our BFG had a similar habit conceded a few to follow ups from his saves.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 07, 2025, 07:23:50 pm
No where near 15 yards.

I’m talking about the save that TLT made from the Mandeville shot which was partway between the penalty spot (12 yards) and the edge of the keepers area (18 yards).
Are you talking about the distance that the striker played the rebound into the net?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 07, 2025, 07:45:32 pm
No where near 15 yards.

I’m talking about the save that TLT made from the Mandeville shot which was partway between the penalty spot (12 yards) and the edge of the keepers area (18 yards).
Are you talking about the distance that the striker played the rebound into the net?

It was about 2yds inside the box on a bit of an angle.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 07, 2025, 07:46:46 pm
No where near 15 yards.

I’m talking about the save that TLT made from the Mandeville shot which was partway between the penalty spot (12 yards) and the edge of the keepers area (18 yards).
Are you talking about the distance that the striker played the rebound into the net?

It was about 2yds inside the box on a bit of an angle.

So about 16 yards then.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Spilsby Red on December 08, 2025, 07:18:51 am
I was wrong about the distance. Still a great save
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 08, 2025, 08:23:38 am
I was wrong about the distance. Still a great save

Yep, it certainly was a good save.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: donnievic on December 08, 2025, 02:01:24 pm
Yeah no fault at all with that one,done well to get down to it but think he will be bit disappointed that he didn’t parry out wide
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: GazLaz on December 08, 2025, 02:03:03 pm
That was a great save. Hit very hard and about 8 yards out and players in front of him. Give him some credit.

It was a great save but it was nearer to 15 yards out.


It was a routine save. If it had gone in we would all be going mad!
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: albie on December 08, 2025, 03:21:19 pm
TLT does have a habit of pushing the ball out in front of him, and not to the side.
Get it wide and the chance of conceding from a follow up is lower.

That said, I would be more concerned about Mcgrath and Maxwell not reacting.
Jay heads the ball up, but not out of the box...it drops into a danger area. We don't close Liam down in an ocean of space, then we fail to block or follow in to mop up the spillage.

Slow reactions all round!
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Bills view on December 08, 2025, 03:44:53 pm
Watching it back slowly and I am no goalkeeping expert, I am not sure it was straightforward to push it wide. He was right middle of the goal (looking from behind the goal camera angle) and it was a well struck shot close to his body so pushing it left doesn’t seem that easy. He did do well to get down to it as he was slightly obscured by O’Riordan.

Their forward was well on the move and unless it was pushed away at pace I reckon he still would have had a tap in.

We all view things differently.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: ForsolongaRover on December 08, 2025, 08:29:42 pm
I remember having a difference of opinion with Gaz over TSL’s stats on shot stopping, but we are on the same page in this. (In fact, I wonder if standard stats cover “parrying”, “catching” and “punching” in assessing performance, but TLT’s case highlights their importance.)

So, back to TLT, and probably we would all like him to succeed, but I don’t think anyone has denied  the fact that that he parries the ball all too often. An accurate punch or preferably a confident catch followed by him clutching the ball to his chest and dropping to the ground in a crowded box is conventional, but not his style. I’ve always credited TLT with speed and when he can seize and distribute the ball quickly, he was taking opposition defences by surprise with his long throws to attackers in the 2024 run-in. He still shows speed in his distribution and perhaps the forwards need to get themselves in good positions to take advantage.

However the bottom line is that a goalkeeper that does not trust himself to catch the ball or at least punch it decisively has a fundamental occupational weakness. Can he change?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: scawsby steve on December 08, 2025, 09:09:19 pm
It concerns me a bit that some opposition managers are targeting a TLT weakness.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Nudga on December 09, 2025, 10:26:18 pm
The first time I've ever seen a keeper dive with his hands still tucked in his pocket warmers.

Brilliant strike BTW but bloody hell.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Fal on December 09, 2025, 10:41:24 pm
The first time I've ever seen a keeper dive with his hands still tucked in his pocket warmers.

Brilliant strike BTW but bloody hell.


There’s nothing he could do about either goal, I’ll keep saying it. The goalkeeping department is the least of concerns.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Thorney on December 09, 2025, 10:53:22 pm
Cannot knock TLT tonight. Stood no chance with either goal.

Some goals root the keeper to the spot or are clearly out of reach, no point in diving outstrectched for the cameras.

I think some fans will always look to blame the keeper.

Seen a comment saying that he should be coming out for the 2nd. Crazy
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: ForsolongaRover on December 10, 2025, 08:27:59 pm
If you watch the Stockport goals in slow motion you will see that when TLT dives he does not do so at full stretch; his arms are not at the limit of their reach.. It is surely absolutely essential to stretch out as far as is physically possible, so why does he not follow this seemingly obvious GK fundamental?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyRover on December 13, 2025, 05:03:07 pm
Said it months ago and got stuck for it, CERTIFIED DONKEY, should never get a game again for this team, constantly lets his team mates down
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 13, 2025, 05:05:33 pm
Lots of great attacking play and some really terrible defensive play. Not a single person on here would have believed we would score three goals today. Very disappointing ending.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Thorney on December 13, 2025, 05:06:39 pm
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2025, 05:08:04 pm
Said it months ago and got stuck for it, CERTIFIED DONKEY, should never get a game again for this team, constantly lets his team mates down

The echo of the final whistle is still reverberating around the ground and someone has started already!
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Canadian Rover on December 13, 2025, 05:08:34 pm
He's played Sunday league level. Horrendous
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Filo on December 13, 2025, 05:08:55 pm
Shocking display, his kicking was also awful
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 13, 2025, 05:11:05 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over
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He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Filo on December 13, 2025, 05:11:58 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
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Close went down to waste time
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: glosterred on December 13, 2025, 05:14:10 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Close went down to waste time
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It's a minimum of 7 minutes not a maximum.  But  TLT cost us a goal at.Chessie and a point today with poor keeping. Time to bring Lawlor back


COYR
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 13, 2025, 05:15:05 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Close went down to waste time
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Not for 2 minutes he didn’t.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Branton Red on December 13, 2025, 05:17:06 pm
The bloke is quite simply not good enough.

Not by a long way.

He shouldn't be seen in a Rovers shirt again.

Lawlor until January then a new keeper needs to be signed.

Otherwise relegation is an inevitability.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyRover on December 13, 2025, 05:17:38 pm
Said it months ago and got stuck for it, CERTIFIED DONKEY, should never get a game again for this team, constantly lets his team mates down

The echo of the final whistle is still reverberating around the ground and someone has started already!

I don’t know what you expect after that, we’d be mid-table with a decent keeper
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 13, 2025, 05:21:20 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Close went down to waste time

It's a minimum of 7 minutes not a maximum.  But  TLT cost us a goal at.Chessie and a point today with poor keeping. Time to bring Lawlor back


COYR
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OK so it was 7 minutes and 59 seconds are you suggesting Close was down for over a minute? I don’t think so!!
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: selby on December 13, 2025, 06:00:44 pm
  Grehan and O'Riordon gave worse goals away today Grehan was holding a players shorts for ten yards and still couldn't catch him'
  Our lack of pace cost us.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: drfchound on December 13, 2025, 06:04:08 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Close went down to waste time
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So much inconsistency with refs though.
Against Stockport the ref said a minimum of nine minutes added on time.
Stockport wasted so much time and I think the ball was in play for only four of those minutes and if I remember correctly he only added on a further 20 seconds or so.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: ForsolongaRover on December 13, 2025, 06:12:34 pm
  Grehan and O'Riordon gave worse goals away today Grehan was holding a players shorts for ten yards and still couldn't catch him'
  Our lack of pace cost us.

…and not TLT then??
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Hickleton Rover on December 13, 2025, 06:21:56 pm
That's got to be at least 11 goals he has cost us this season, doesn't command his six yard box, and worries me when ball is passed back to him
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Thorney on December 13, 2025, 06:26:18 pm
[quote authodr=Thorney link=topic=295660.msg1434139#msg1434139 date=1765645599]
Ive been his biggest fan, but f**k me, after the effort the outfield players have given, he does that.

Even grant will be furious. If he put it out for a corner then it was game over

He pushed it out to the side. They followed it up. We didn’t. The question thats needs answering tho is why does the referee say 7 minutes of added time and with NO stoppages plays on for an extra 2 minutes to allow Cardiff to score.
Close went down to waste time

It's a minimum of 7 minutes not a maximum.  But  TLT cost us a goal at.Chessie and a point today with poor keeping. Time to bring Lawlor back


COYR

OK so it was 7 minutes and 59 seconds are you suggesting Close was down for over a minute? I don’t think so!!
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Refs dont blow for full time during a shot on goal, close was down long enough.

If tlt had pushed it aroind the post then it was game over.

Of we try at all to put the blame to the officials then it is very poor from us
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: RugbyRover on December 13, 2025, 06:51:21 pm
Just seen the goals.

All a result of shocking defending by the whole of the back four.

Maybe Pickford would have done better for the 4th one.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: selby on December 13, 2025, 07:27:25 pm
  Forsolong a Rover, to be honest with you I have not seen anything in Grehan that would prompt me to start him in a division one game at all. He needs to go out on loan for me if we can get someone to take him, and needs to find some pace from somewhere
  For me he is not strong or physical enough to play central at this level, and has not the pace or positional sense to play either full back or a right of a three.
  It doesn't help him to be playing in a defence that is struggling at this level individually and as a unit.
  Personally I can't understand the Pearson situation, if he is not good enough to get in a poor back line who and why did we sign him, we knew he was no sprinter before he came, or should have done it was even common knowledge on Huddersfield's forum linked on here.
  Also I would trust Sterry over Grehan on the right whatever the line up.
  That's my honest take on it, simple as, your entitled to disagree.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Ldr on December 13, 2025, 07:38:23 pm
  Forsolong a Rover, to be honest with you I have not seen anything in Grehan that would prompt me to start him in a division one game at all. He needs to go out on loan for me if we can get someone to take him, and needs to find some pace from somewhere
  For me he is not strong or physical enough to play central at this level, and has not the pace or positional sense to play either full back or a right of a three.
  It doesn't help him to be playing in a defence that is struggling at this level individually and as a unit.
  Personally I can't understand the Pearson situation, if he is not good enough to get in a poor back line who and why did we sign him, we knew he was no sprinter before he came, or should have done it was even common knowledge on Huddersfield's forum linked on here.
  Also I would trust Sterry over Grehan on the right whatever the line up.
  That's my honest take on it, simple as, your entitled to disagree.

Everyone would trust sterry over Graham at full back, we played a back 3 today however, Grehan played right side ofnthatb3 not full back
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Pliskin on December 13, 2025, 08:01:12 pm
TLT looks a shadow of the goalkeeper we had in 2024. He was class when he came in during the playoff season.

Now suffering from a lack of confidence?

Or maybe he isn't that good, but last time he just had a ridiculous once-in-a-career purple patch like Adelakun did?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: 5minstogo on December 13, 2025, 10:49:27 pm
TLT looks a shadow of the goalkeeper we had in 2024. He was class when he came in during the playoff season.

Now suffering from a lack of confidence?

Or maybe he isn't that good, but last time he just had a ridiculous once-in-a-career purple patch like Adelakun did?

Yeah I reckon he was hugely over performing in his loan spell. That and the fact we've gone up a level also.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on December 13, 2025, 10:58:57 pm
Could have had a stronger hand for the second goal, the fourth goal, yes should have done better. The defending was atrocious, you can’t just blame the keeper. The shots wouldn’t have got there if the centre halves and midfield in front of them were not wide open. It was a fantastic performance from the side, win as a team and lose as a team. No one individual should be blamed.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Smyth on December 14, 2025, 07:12:33 am
Grant dropped him earlier this season because of unreliability,  surely the decision to keep or not has already been taken. For me, well I wonder who his replacement will be?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: glosterred on December 14, 2025, 07:42:27 am
EFD

I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm only pointing out that it a minimum of time not a maximum of time allowed for injuries. It happens all the time. I don't know where he got the extra 2 or 3 mins from. But I do know that TLT has cost us a fair few points this season

COYR

COYR
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: mushRTID on December 14, 2025, 09:28:53 am
Second and third, the ball has almost gone in the middle of the net. He simply can’t get down to these types.

Fourth a complete horror show on replay. It’s virtually straight at him! I’m as angry as anyone we don’t take a booking and avoid the whole situation. But I’m sorry that is again, pathetic goalkeeping.

We’re nearly at Christmas now, has he actually gained us any points with an outstanding save or performance?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Filo on December 14, 2025, 09:32:54 am
His hands are in front of his chest, it’s a straight forward catch, but he somehow decided to push it out
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 14, 2025, 10:04:59 am
His hands are in front of his chest, it’s a straight forward catch, but he somehow decided to push it out

It's not a straightforward catch, it had some pace on it so it's a 50 50 call whether he tries to hold it, or parry it away, which he did. Could he have got more distance on it? Possibly.  I thought it was telling the first reaction of Sterry was to turn to Molly and gesture "Where we're ya?"

Similar to TSL, we're being hypercritical on the keepers when the root cause is elsewhere.

I saw Sam Johnstone yesterday make a save and pushed the ball into the danger area but his defenders cleared the ball. No hint of criticism from the commentators.

There's multiple actions in matches where players could maybe have done better but obviously when goals are conceded against us, it's easy to point the finger against the last line of defence.
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: mushRTID on December 14, 2025, 10:09:34 am
His hands are in front of his chest, it’s a straight forward catch, but he somehow decided to push it out

It's not a straightforward catch, it had some pace on it so it's a 50 50 call whether he tries to hold it, or parry it away, which he did. Could he have got more distance on it? Possibly.  I thought it was telling the first reaction of Sterry was to turn to Molly and gesture "Where we're ya?"

Similar to TSL, we're being hypercritical on the keepers when the root cause is elsewhere.

I saw Sam Johnstone yesterday make a save and pushed the ball into the danger area but his defenders cleared the ball. No hint of criticism from the commentators.

There's multiple actions in matches where players could maybe have done better but obviously when goals are conceded against us, it's easy to point the finger against the last line of defence.

It’s a straightforward collect into his body, long kick and the ref blows.

He is a professional goalkeeper. Regardless of how it played out before the shot, How is that not a routine take for him?
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: Filo on December 14, 2025, 10:15:40 am
His hands are in front of his chest, it’s a straight forward catch, but he somehow decided to push it out

It's not a straightforward catch, it had some pace on it so it's a 50 50 call whether he tries to hold it, or parry it away, which he did. Could he have got more distance on it? Possibly.  I thought it was telling the first reaction of Sterry was to turn to Molly and gesture "Where we're ya?"

Similar to TSL, we're being hypercritical on the keepers when the root cause is elsewhere.

I saw Sam Johnstone yesterday make a save and pushed the ball into the danger area but his defenders cleared the ball. No hint of criticism from the commentators.

There's multiple actions in matches where players could maybe have done better but obviously when goals are conceded against us, it's easy to point the finger against the last line of defence.

There was no pace on the ball, keeper practice those everyday in training, it wasn’t remotely difficult
Title: Re: TLT
Post by: adamtherover on December 14, 2025, 10:23:26 am
The horror show in the blackpool friendly  certainly set the tone!!