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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: In the box on December 20, 2025, 05:49:59 pm
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Hes in boardroom having a quiet word
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There will certainly be all kinds of conversations going on inside that place...
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McCann is having an interview without coffee
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Been on the radio saying conceded 11 goals in last two games. I thought it was 9 !
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Hes in boardroom having a quiet word
Im hoping that he’s in the changing room have a few noisy ones to his players
COYR
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Been on the radio saying conceded 11 goals in last two games. I thought it was 9 !
9 in last 2 !!!
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Hes in boardroom having a quiet word
Im hoping that he’s in the changing room have a few noisy ones to his players
COYR
The players have heard it all several times but are now deaf to his guidance!!
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Been on the radio saying conceded 11 goals in last two games. I thought it was 9 !
We ship that many he can't keep up
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Been on the radio saying conceded 11 goals in last two games. I thought it was 9 !
Conceding 11 in the last 3.
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
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That’s the first time I’ve seen Grant looking totally shell shocked, he looked very nervous.
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He looked like I felt, shell shocked.
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That’s the first time I’ve seen Grant looking totally shell shocked, he looked very nervous.
Nervous, embarrassed, or both , because he should be.
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Agree with the above. I admire his honesty but I really do wonder if he’s got the answers to this mess which I have to say he has created.
It did feel in that interview that he was in shock.
Very worrying times
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Another thing is Grant said last week when asked about January that he was pretty much happy with what he has. Now that might just be a front but I’ll tell you this much.
He either brings in 4 seasonal pros at this level or we are down.
6 points from last 14 games and the worst goal difference in the division.
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After 4 minutes I don’t think any of us saw ‘that one’ coming, 24 minutes later at 1-3 & we may have well as been watching the upcoming game against Southampton.
3 goals literally given away indeed a couple of which handed on a plate by a back four who were made to look like academy players.
No cutting movement inside the box or cutting edge to the numerous crosses played in there, it’s more than worrying, it’s been an issue since the season kicked off.
When I ventured to say that today’s game was a ‘must win game’ given our next two tough away games I was doubted by ‘some’ that it was the case. Clearly today was a massive loss, in league status, squad belief, management input in order to turn this ‘ship’ in the right direction.
I won’t go on because I’m stating the obvious now.
Let’s concentrate on staying in this division.
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After 4 minutes I don’t think any of us saw ‘that one’ coming, 24 minutes later at 1-3 & we may have well as been watching the upcoming game against Southampton.
3 goals literally given away indeed a couple of which handed on a plate by a back four who were made to look like academy players.
No cutting movement inside the box or cutting edge to the numerous crosses played in there, it’s more than worrying, it’s been an issue since the season kicked off.
When I ventured to say that today’s game was a ‘must win game’ given our next two tough away games I was doubted by ‘some’ that it was the case. Clearly today was a massive loss, in league status, squad belief, management input in order to turn this ‘ship’ in the right direction.
I won’t go on because I’m stating the obvious now.
Let’s concentrate on staying in this division.
Our CBs today were made to look like academy players, because they are.
Didnt see you at the end of the game Usher......didn't fancy hanging round?
I wanted to go in first half but I hung around. RTID in good times and bad. Each to their own.
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After 4 minutes I don’t think any of us saw ‘that one’ coming, 24 minutes later at 1-3 & we may have well as been watching the upcoming game against Southampton.
3 goals literally given away indeed a couple of which handed on a plate by a back four who were made to look like academy players.
No cutting movement inside the box or cutting edge to the numerous crosses played in there, it’s more than worrying, it’s been an issue since the season kicked off.
When I ventured to say that today’s game was a ‘must win game’ given our next two tough away games I was doubted by ‘some’ that it was the case. Clearly today was a massive loss, in league status, squad belief, management input in order to turn this ‘ship’ in the right direction.
I won’t go on because I’m stating the obvious now.
Let’s concentrate on staying in this division.
Our CBs today were made to look like academy players, because they are.
Didnt see you at the end of the game Usher......didn't fancy hanging round?
I wanted to go in first half but I hung around. RTID in good times and bad. Each to their own.
A strange post by you Ryaldinhio, calling out Usher for your assumption that he left before the end of the game, whilst admitting that you felt like leaving in the first half.
I left today after their 5th goal went in. That is an extremely rare thing for me to do but I just couldn’t bear to endure the celebrations of the Plymouth fans at the final whistle.
I’ve suffered many such occasions during my 58 years as a Rovers fan and I defend my right to walk out 5 minutes before the final whistle today. Thousands of Rovers fans beat me, and Usher, to it.
Well done for staying until the death. Do you want a medal? I’ll have one made for you.
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After 4 minutes I don’t think any of us saw ‘that one’ coming, 24 minutes later at 1-3 & we may have well as been watching the upcoming game against Southampton.
3 goals literally given away indeed a couple of which handed on a plate by a back four who were made to look like academy players.
No cutting movement inside the box or cutting edge to the numerous crosses played in there, it’s more than worrying, it’s been an issue since the season kicked off.
When I ventured to say that today’s game was a ‘must win game’ given our next two tough away games I was doubted by ‘some’ that it was the case. Clearly today was a massive loss, in league status, squad belief, management input in order to turn this ‘ship’ in the right direction.
I won’t go on because I’m stating the obvious now.
Let’s concentrate on staying in this division.
Our CBs today were made to look like academy players, because they are.
Didnt see you at the end of the game Usher......didn't fancy hanging round?
I wanted to go in first half but I hung around. RTID in good times and bad. Each to their own.
A strange post by you Ryaldinhio, calling out Usher for your assumption that he left before the end of the game, whilst admitting that you felt like leaving in the first half.
I left today after their 5th goal went in. That is an extremely rare thing for me to do but I just couldn’t bear to endure the celebrations of the Plymouth fans at the final whistle.
I’ve suffered many such occasions during my 58 years as a Rovers fan and I defend my right to walk out 5 minutes before the final whistle today. Thousands of Rovers fans beat me, and Usher, to it.
Well done for staying until the death. Do you want a medal? I’ll have one made for you.
It's no assumption Pancho.
And no pal, no medals needed, I stayed till the end to miss the rush :lol: :scarf:
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In fairness the first goal
Which changed the game was a midfielder , the second the forward tried a flick which didnt work and wrong footed everyone and the 3rd grehan gave the ball away cheaply and every other defemder was nowhere to be seen
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
Before yesterday's game I said to our old boy clearly we can score goals but not enough if we keep conceding multiple goals.....
For me there needs to be some serious focus on tightening up at the back. We aren't guna win many games by outscoring if we are consistently conceding 2 or more. Need to start getting a few clean sheets on the board and work from there. If this means a change of system then so be it.
Couldnt get my head around Grehan and McGrath starting together with the experience of Pearson sat on the bench. Will never know if it would have made a difference.
More worrying for me was the fact we had an extra man in midfield and they were passing it through us like we had 2 men sent off. It was crazy how easy it was for them to just stand in 5 yards of space all the time.
School boy stuff.
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As it stands and without reinforcements, this is probably our best side at present? They almost all started yesterday bar Pearson. It isn't as if there are bench options that could improve the picture. Maybe start Close for Clifton to give more control and allow Bailey to move a bit further forward. That's your lot.
TLT
Sterry
Pearson
Grehan
Maxwell
Broadbent
Bailey
Clifton
Molyneux
Hanlan
Gibson
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
I think we need to radically change for Christmas and New Year games. I would take 4 nil nils right now! How about changing to a flat back 11
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
The philosophy is core I think.
I actually thought McCann's preferred approach was going to serve us well this season. He sets his team up to be fast a d fluid on the counter when playing a side who dominates possession.The Cardiff match, and way before that, the game at Huddersfield were two classic examples. We played sides who had far better resourcesand who dominated possession l, and we arguably should have won both because we created so many good chances on the counter.
But it's an approach that is horrifically bad when the opposition do that against us. When we have most possession and the opposition break against us, we are awful. And that's happening far more often in this division than I expected.
And THAT is the problem.
The very good teams who do dominate possession - we often look good against them but at the end of the day, they have too much quality for us. The weaker sides find it dead easy to hit us on the break.
Either way, the philosophy just isn't working.
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Or, is it a case of not having the right players to play the way we're set up? Which is just as bad btw, but you look at the player that came in and they don't appear to me to fit the way we set up to play. Hanlan is getting there with it but the midfield (which bar Bailey wasn't exactly top last season) wasn't strengthened and remains too slow on the ball.
We lack in multiple areas enough quality. The summer window was clearly not strong enough and supposed big signings like Middleton have done nothing.
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I've never seen him so defeated, he looked a broken man..
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I've never seen him so defeated, he looked a broken man..
I agree he looks like a man who doesn’t have any answers.
If we had a great January lined up he may be more optimistic.
I really hope he can turn this around.
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
The philosophy is core I think.
I actually thought McCann's preferred approach was going to serve us well this season. He sets his team up to be fast a d fluid on the counter when playing a side who dominates possession.The Cardiff match, and way before that, the game at Huddersfield were two classic examples. We played sides who had far better resourcesand who dominated possession l, and we arguably should have won both because we created so many good chances on the counter.
But it's an approach that is horrifically bad when the opposition do that against us. When we have most possession and the opposition break against us, we are awful. And that's happening far more often in this division than I expected.
And THAT is the problem.
The very good teams who do dominate possession - we often look good against them but at the end of the day, they have too much quality for us. The weaker sides find it dead easy to hit us on the break.
Either way, the philosophy just isn't working.
It feels like we’ve tried to play more football this season (than last), when I’m fairly sure the opposite would be optimal.
Within a couple of weeks Grants gone from “it’s how you finish the season that matters” to being (self admittedly) struggling with how to move forward.
The thing with taking on all responsibility yourself as a manager is that it’s great when things are going well but a horrible place to be at times like this. There’s no hiding place. That’s another reason that having a manager led strategy is not right. It’s just not fair on the manager in times like this. Spreading accountability around and sharing responsibility has to be the right thing to do surely.
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I've never seen him so defeated, he looked a broken man..
I disagree. He's looked like this at some point of the last 3 seasons.
He looked utterly broken last season after the Walsall match at the start of April, when it really looked like the season was slipping out of our hands.
I'm no psychologist but I do sometimes wonder if he needs to touch the bottom to find some inspiration. Like I've said elsewhere, the fact that we went on possibly the greatest run in the club's history immediately after the dreadful performances at home to Stockport and away at Sutton is noteworthy.
And of course after that Walsall match, we won 17 of the remaining 21 points to clinch the title.
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God knows who he is bringing in during the January window but he will look at the current weaknesses and surely conclude there is a centre back, central midfield and central striker priority there. Some other nice to have signings but at moment we're effectively an invertebrate.
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Let’s turn this totally on its head eh ! Maybe this will give him and the board the time to consider both their approaches, namely will funds be available to keep us in this division and secondly give Grant and Cliff the licence to stop being loyal to some of their team and wield the axe ! Timing wise it’s absolutely perfect ! I’m hope Grant and the board both grasp the nettle and get busy !
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Well things are panning out as they usually do for someone like myself who has been a supporter since 1973. We have never been able to get out of the doldrums finance is a big issue and we have never had a fairy god father rich enough and daft enough to chuck 10’s of millions at us in one bash. So we tread water with the likes of Crewe,Newport, Exeter,Stockport etc
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I've never seen him so defeated, he looked a broken man..
I disagree. He's looked like this at some point of the last 3 seasons.
He looked utterly broken last season after the Walsall match at the start of April, when it really looked like the season was slipping out of our hands.
I'm no psychologist but I do sometimes wonder if he needs to touch the bottom to find some inspiration. Like I've said elsewhere, the fact that we went on possibly the greatest run in the club's history immediately after the dreadful performances at home to Stockport and away at Sutton is noteworthy.
And of course after that Walsall match, we won 17 of the remaining 21 points to clinch the title.
What yesterday cried out for was leadership on the pitch. It’s something that we’ve been lacking all season, apart from Bailey (and, possibly, the never present Pearson).
I do wonder at times if this is GM’s blind spot. Can he handle the big personalities that are necessary to galvanise, coach and motivate the players on the pitch when the going gets tough. Have we had anyone in that mould since Wood?
Yes, we need more and better options up front, yes we need someone to shore up a powder puff midfield, yes we need someone who can restore our defence to a semblance of L1 capability. We need these technicians but more importantly we need people who don’t go MIA and can give the present group the kick up the backside that it seems to need.
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As good as he is I'm not convinced with Bailey as captain. After the mistakes yesterday the players involved needed picking up. Not sure I saw much of that coming from him.
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What I saw yesterday is players throwing the towel in at 1-3, totally unacceptable, everyone went missing, even the so called leaders
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I've just seen his post match interview.
It's a bit raw. But on the face of it, he's saying "We are playing crap and I don't know why". That's a bit worrying.
I understand that it’s tough for a manager to give an interview after a loss of that nature but the whole interview was concerning.
What about the bit where he says it maybe the case the he gives the players too much confidence? Really odd thing to say.
I don’t really understand the fact he thinks we need to start from scratch. Surely we have a philosophy and style of play and it’s just a case of doing what we need to do but better. Can’t rewrite the whole style in December surely.
Before yesterday's game I said to our old boy clearly we can score goals but not enough if we keep conceding multiple goals.....
For me there needs to be some serious focus on tightening up at the back. We aren't guna win many games by outscoring if we are consistently conceding 2 or more. Need to start getting a few clean sheets on the board and work from there. If this means a change of system then so be it.
Couldnt get my head around Grehan and McGrath starting together with the experience of Pearson sat on the bench. Will never know if it would have made a difference.
More worrying for me was the fact we had an extra man in midfield and they were passing it through us like we had 2 men sent off. It was crazy how easy it was for them to just stand in 5 yards of space all the time.
School boy stuff.
When discussing Centre Halves it strikes me as ironic that we let Anderson go and although he may not have been what we might have ideally wanted in L1, he was more reliable over a season than those we now have in place (and younger than Pearson). It exemplifies the failure to strengthen.