Re-think

[scawsby steve]

OK, guys, I've slated Saturday's performance as much as anyone. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've realised that the 4-1 scoreline was ridiculously flattering to Mansfield; and here's 5 reasons why:

Mansfield were nothing like the team that pumped us at the Eco, and actually looked quite poor, and there for the taking.

Most of the decent football and passing movement came from the Rovers.

As well as a well taken goal, we missed 2 absolute out and out sitters, which showed that we were creating chances.

All 4 of Mansfield's goals were easily preventable, and 3 of them were total gifts from our defenders.

The 2 lads who came on after the break, Brown and Lavery, looked very good players for League 2 level.

I think all of the above is a fair assessment from someone who's neither a Netto brigader, nor a happy clapper.

If DS sees what we can all see, and goes with the right line-up from the off next Saturday, I think we'll be OK.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I'm glad there's still people who can see things a little more objectively.

Wasn't as bad as the day at Oakwell when we got beat 4-0 against 10 men when Darren Moore got his marching orders at 0-0. Theoretically, we had a good team then!

[Campsall rover]

OK, guys, I've slated Saturday's performance as much as anyone. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've realised that the 4-1 scoreline was ridiculously flattering to Mansfield; and here's 5 reasons why:

Mansfield were nothing like the team that pumped us at the Eco, and actually looked quite poor, and there for the taking.

Most of the decent football and passing movement came from the Rovers.

As well as a well taken goal, we missed 2 absolute out and out sitters, which showed that we were creating chances.

All 4 of Mansfield's goals were easily preventable, and 3 of them were total gifts from our defenders.

The 2 lads who came on after the break, Brown and Lavery, looked very good players for League 2 level.

I think all of the above is a fair assessment from someone who's neither a Netto brigader, nor a happy clapper.

If DS sees what we can all see, and goes with the right line-up from the off next Saturday, I think we'll be OK.

That’s a bang on assessment SS and exactly what i said on another thread.
We absolutely should have won that game. We gifted it to them with ineptitude in both penalty areas.

[jmt23]

Good to hear, this is exactly what I heard via ifollow commentary. Sometimes it is hard to know if the commentary matches with what attending fans see in the game.
 We did create, we did play some good stuff, we are a soft touch in defence.
Mansfield’s commentary team apparently said it is well known we are poor defensively!

It was a big crowd and having not played for a while, the fans will have all that pent up energy, so when the performance or result goes wrong, you can expect the outbursts. It just went a little too far for me.

[andyst79]

The flair thrown on the pitch after we scored did us no favours. We were battering them 2nd half but it gave Mansfield a chance to have a breather and regroup.

[donnievic]

I agree they took there chances through our bad defending and only other real chance they had Mitchell pulled off a great save,we wasn’t great 1st half but still created couple of chances but didn’t hit target but nothing new there,poss penalty appeal on seaman before he then hit shot out for nearly a throw in(not seen it back)2nd half looked a lot brighter til they scored their 3rd

[donnievic]

The flair thrown on the pitch after we scored did us no favours. We were battering them 2nd half but it gave Mansfield a chance to have a breather and regroup.

if it hadn’t been a flair it would of been one of their players having a lay down for abit

[Lesonthewest]

OK, guys, I've slated Saturday's performance as much as anyone. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've realised that the 4-1 scoreline was ridiculously flattering to Mansfield; and here's 5 reasons why:

Mansfield were nothing like the team that pumped us at the Eco, and actually looked quite poor, and there for the taking.

Most of the decent football and passing movement came from the Rovers.

As well as a well taken goal, we missed 2 absolute out and out sitters, which showed that we were creating chances.

All 4 of Mansfield's goals were easily preventable, and 3 of them were total gifts from our defenders.

The 2 lads who came on after the break, Brown and Lavery, looked very good players for League 2 level.

I think all of the above is a fair assessment from someone who's neither a Netto brigader, nor a happy clapper.

If DS sees what we can all see, and goes with the right line-up from the off next Saturday, I think we'll be OK.

Agree with almost all that SS, the problem was we created very little first half & no shots on target, a common theme with Miller on his jack.

 After the break it was a different story, as you say we played the better football, loads of possession & chances created. The common denonimater is the system. I very much doubt there would be any fans complaining if we started on Saturday with the team & system we started the second half against Mansfield.

[Thorney]

I agree they took there chances through our bad defending and only other real chance they had Mitchell pulled off a great save,we wasn’t great 1st half but still created couple of chances but didn’t hit target but nothing new there,poss penalty appeal on seaman before he then hit shot out for nearly a throw in(not seen it back)2nd half looked a lot brighter til they scored their 3rd

Wasn't a possible penalty, it was a stonewall obvious penalty. I was shouting for seamen to stay down coz I knew where the shot was gonna end up, and ref just used the advantage rule.

[roversdude]

SS I’ve been saying that all weekend
1-0 Seaman switched off, Anderson reactively sticks out his leg
2-0 blatant handball missed by ref
3-1 Mitchell caught out of position (after keeper held ball for an eternity)
4-1 decent goal
In amongst all this Seaman bundled over in the box, that miss by Miller and some worried defending from Mansfield

[Donnybax]

I'm glad there's still people who can see things a little more objectively.

Wasn't as bad as the day at Oakwell when we got beat 4-0 against 10 men when Darren Moore got his marching orders at 0-0. Theoretically, we had a good team then!

pretty sure it was actually 4-1 that game. Moore was sent off at 0-1 for fouling Lewis Guy after a Brian Stock penalty had put us 0-1 up

[Padge_DRFC]

View from the Mansfield end from a lad at work. His words. Donny played the better football. You gifted us 3 of your goals. Your RB is the worst player I've seen all season (Seaman) and the bloke up front does he get paid to miss rather than score.

[DearneValleyRover]

I agree they took there chances through our bad defending and only other real chance they had Mitchell pulled off a great save,we wasn’t great 1st half but still created couple of chances but didn’t hit target but nothing new there,poss penalty appeal on seaman before he then hit shot out for nearly a throw in(not seen it back)2nd half looked a lot brighter til they scored their 3rd

It was definitely a penalty, Seaman got pulled backwards off his feet, also Seaman had a shot the Reid blocked with both hands unlucky on both counts

[Upton Rover]

You can’t make excuses for the garbage that was on Saturday, you can’t get beat 4-1 and defend anyone player at all. We may well win Hartlepool then lose the next, that’s the way it’s gone and there’s no signs of putting a run of 5 or 6 wins in a row, and that’s what’s needed to salvage any pride

[scawsby steve]

I personally don't think their second goal was handball. Looking at the highlights, I think the ball struck him at the front of the shoulder.

The thing about that goal was that we didn't cut out the cross, and had 2 easy chances to clear the ball.

[Campsall rover]

I personally don't think their second goal was handball. Looking at the highlights, I think the ball struck him at the front of the shoulder.

The thing about that goal was that we didn't cut out the cross, and had 2 easy chances to clear the ball.

We gave them the ball back 3 times into the danger area.  For me that was the worst goal because not clearing the ball 3 times was criminal.

[donnievic]

SS I’ve been saying that all weekend
1-0 Seaman switched off, Anderson reactively sticks out his leg
2-0 blatant handball missed by ref
3-1 Mitchell caught out of position (after keeper held ball for an eternity)
4-1 decent goal
In amongst all this Seaman bundled over in the box, that miss by Miller and some worried defending from Mansfield

1st goal I would blame molyneux with how and where he lost the ball with ease and put them on attack

[normal rules]

It was the same at Orient.
O’s fans would have been pinching themselves at half time as rovers could have easily been in front. They just couldn’t convert.

[ravenrover]

No mention of Millers penalty shout 2nd half?

[scawsby steve]

No mention of Millers penalty shout 2nd half?

For some reason, Raven, the highlights don't show that one. At the time, I thought maybe it was, but I wasn't sure.

What I was sure of though, was the fact that George should have buried that without trying to go round the keeper. He really is lacking in confidence at the moment.

[Tiddysdad]

First half Rubbish - After the break we looked the only team that was going to go on and win the game. After our goal Mansfield looked as though they hadn't go a clue as what to do. That's why the goalkeeper just kicked it route 1 anywhere up field will do. No one Is going to tell me that they practice that in training. But unfortunately for us our defence had switched off and they got a goal. From that point on our heads just went down. And frustration and nervousness crept in as we saw when Maxwell (I think it was) thumped the ball away after a bad bit of play.
I just hope DS starts the second half team next game.

[Colemans Left Hook]

after the match i clicked on the comments on the bbc

and a couple of Mansfield fans (at least were saying they were lucky)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64356609

Schofield started with 4 new  signings on the bench and when he broufht them on "it seems" we were much much better

so in my world i decided if he got the 4 or even 5 newbies in the starting team we would be much much better.

Pre-match i knew Mansfield had an old man in goal (first choice injured) who hadn't played for a long time so that seemed their most vulnerable point,

then Saturday evening I realised we had niow played 2 more away games than home so that was a hidden bonus  (the downside was the negatuve goal difference) and we have a hell of a lot of players to come back from injury .

I will listen to Clough's version of the match and hopefully summarise it. Gillingham had ripped the heart out of that team ( both sold because they were out of contract in the summer- and money is always tight there) and I don't believe their team could suddenly become worldbeaters when the new players hadn't had time to gel


Crawley somehow got 3-0 up against in form Salford who got it back to 3-2 and we know these theings can happen   Charlton at home beat Plymouth 5-1 in the league this season. explain that

[selby]

  No change though, brushed aside, better stats in most departments but let four goals in and you are not going to win many football matches.
  We are terrible in our own half of the field, even when we are in possession of the ball, the defence cannot be trusted, we have manufactured goals for other sides without them trying particularly hard to score, we have been including this last weekend at times comical, the only side capable of gifting goals like we do.

[Sammy Chung was King]

No mental concentration to stay in the game. We’ve suffered off and on for quite some time with that. Don’t give the opposition goals with errors through not concentrating then we might win a few games.

[dickos1]

  No change though, brushed aside, better stats in most departments but let four goals in and you are not going to win many football matches.
  We are terrible in our own half of the field, even when we are in possession of the ball, the defence cannot be trusted, we have manufactured goals for other sides without them trying particularly hard to score, we have been including this last weekend at times comical, the only side capable of gifting goals like we do.

The first goal the blame has to lay with molyneux and the second goal biggins.
The defence wasn’t great but the midfield played a big part in the poor defending too

[Spud]

The flair thrown on the pitch after we scored did us no favours. We were battering them 2nd half but it gave Mansfield a chance to have a breather and regroup.

Why did the ref stop play for that one but not for any of the other three that were thrown on though?