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We all remember the bounce back decisively quote by the guy who should know. Safe to assume it should have been a top 6 figure after hearing that.
Quote from: ravenrover on March 30, 2023, 09:25:36 amQuote from: Bessie Red on March 29, 2023, 10:56:09 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 29, 2023, 09:40:14 pmLike I’ve said all along the board have been gaslighting the supporters; how do VCS members who sit on the board or shadow board not know this; what’s the point in them. It’s either the case that they themselves have been lied to or they are complicit.I made a statement the other day saying that the board are at loggerheads each month about the shortfall and how to make payment for players wages; I put this directly to SM and never got a response. Again SM are you going to confirm this is the case?You did get a response, he asked you who your so called reliable source was!Didn't SM also say it was nonsense?No he didn’t; he avoided the question, boated of his own accolades and asked for my source.
Quote from: Bessie Red on March 29, 2023, 10:56:09 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 29, 2023, 09:40:14 pmLike I’ve said all along the board have been gaslighting the supporters; how do VCS members who sit on the board or shadow board not know this; what’s the point in them. It’s either the case that they themselves have been lied to or they are complicit.I made a statement the other day saying that the board are at loggerheads each month about the shortfall and how to make payment for players wages; I put this directly to SM and never got a response. Again SM are you going to confirm this is the case?You did get a response, he asked you who your so called reliable source was!Didn't SM also say it was nonsense?
Quote from: aidanstu on March 29, 2023, 09:40:14 pmLike I’ve said all along the board have been gaslighting the supporters; how do VCS members who sit on the board or shadow board not know this; what’s the point in them. It’s either the case that they themselves have been lied to or they are complicit.I made a statement the other day saying that the board are at loggerheads each month about the shortfall and how to make payment for players wages; I put this directly to SM and never got a response. Again SM are you going to confirm this is the case?You did get a response, he asked you who your so called reliable source was!
Like I’ve said all along the board have been gaslighting the supporters; how do VCS members who sit on the board or shadow board not know this; what’s the point in them. It’s either the case that they themselves have been lied to or they are complicit.I made a statement the other day saying that the board are at loggerheads each month about the shortfall and how to make payment for players wages; I put this directly to SM and never got a response. Again SM are you going to confirm this is the case?
Quote from: Dare to dream! on March 29, 2023, 10:16:14 pmHas anyone got an actual quote of Baldwin/board saying we have a top six budget this year? SM did say on a thread last year that we would be a major player in league 2 with a budget that would make us a standout contender. Now that has to be better than an average budget what we have now don’t you think? And in Martins defence that’s what he was told I’m sure. Somethings changed somewhere.
Has anyone got an actual quote of Baldwin/board saying we have a top six budget this year?
Quote from: Prez on March 30, 2023, 03:06:47 pmQuote from: Dare to dream! on March 29, 2023, 10:16:14 pmHas anyone got an actual quote of Baldwin/board saying we have a top six budget this year? SM did say on a thread last year that we would be a major player in league 2 with a budget that would make us a standout contender. Now that has to be better than an average budget what we have now don’t you think? And in Martins defence that’s what he was told I’m sure. Somethings changed somewhere.Yes I did say that, it was what I discussed at the time with the club, and it was also part of the discussions we had in the Supporters Board meetings when the fear of relegation was looming very large. What's changed? In another post somewhere on the forum I explained that we started the season with a budget that would have seen us occupying about 6th spot. But I also said there were a lot of clubs around us in terms of budget size, as many as 8-10 clubs, and that it would appear that expenditure in the January window has seen us slip down from there. In a discussion with the club last week I was told that we were probably about 10th now and that couldn't be ratified until the EFL had updated their communique to the clubs.
Yes I did say that, it was what I discussed at the time with the club, and it was also part of the discussions we had in the Supporters Board meetings when the fear of relegation was looming very large. What's changed? In another post somewhere on the forum I explained that we started the season with a budget that would have seen us occupying about 6th spot. But I also said there were a lot of clubs around us in terms of budget size, as many as 8-10 clubs, and that it would appear that expenditure in the January window has seen us slip down from there. In a discussion with the club last week I was told that we were probably about 10th now and that couldn't be ratified until the EFL had updated their communique to the clubs.
“We've got 18 players signed up for next season with three signing new contracts recently based on the environment the coach has created.
I’ve just been re-reading that Copps piece again and I’m struggling with this:Quote “We've got 18 players signed up for next season with three signing new contracts recently based on the environment the coach has created.I reckon we’ve got 15 signed, but I can’t get to 18! Anyone care to have a stab at it?I’m also wondering how many of those 15/18 players are truly good enough to allow us to vastly improve our position next season?(Ignore the question whether DS is still in his job).
Quote from: Prez on March 30, 2023, 03:06:47 pmQuote from: Dare to dream! on March 29, 2023, 10:16:14 pmHas anyone got an actual quote of Baldwin/board saying we have a top six budget this year? SM did say on a thread last year that we would be a major player in league 2 with a budget that would make us a standout contender. Now that has to be better than an average budget what we have now don’t you think? And in Martins defence that’s what he was told I’m sure. Somethings changed somewhere.Yes I did say that, it was what I discussed at the time with the club, and it was also part of the discussions we had in the Supporters Board meetings when the fear of relegation was looming very large. What's changed? In another post somewhere on the forum I explained that we started the season with a budget that would have seen us occupying about 6th spot. But I also said there were a lot of clubs around us in terms of budget size, as many as 8-10 clubs, and that it would appear that expenditure in the January window has seen us slip down from there. In a discussion with the club last week I was told that we were probably about 10th now and that couldn't be ratified until the EFL had updated their communique to the clubs.
I can only get to our budget going back if it’s on money spent rather than money available. Start if season we were around top 6 then we lose Tomlin, Woltman, Andrews, Knoyle and Clayton. Replace those with Brown, Nelson, Lavery and Lakin. We must be spending less than at the start of the season after all that. Therefore on money spent we will have dropped. So the question is was Copps not allowed to spend the saved funds or did we limit Jan spending due to quality available. Personally think the budget won’t have moved and we just couldn’t find decent players for the same money in Jan so downgraded with what was available. That Copps is using it as an excuse is just the pressure on DS and him defending his decision.
Quote from: silent majority on March 31, 2023, 11:07:23 amQuote from: Prez on March 30, 2023, 03:06:47 pmQuote from: Dare to dream! on March 29, 2023, 10:16:14 pmHas anyone got an actual quote of Baldwin/board saying we have a top six budget this year? SM did say on a thread last year that we would be a major player in league 2 with a budget that would make us a standout contender. Now that has to be better than an average budget what we have now don’t you think? And in Martins defence that’s what he was told I’m sure. Somethings changed somewhere.Yes I did say that, it was what I discussed at the time with the club, and it was also part of the discussions we had in the Supporters Board meetings when the fear of relegation was looming very large. What's changed? In another post somewhere on the forum I explained that we started the season with a budget that would have seen us occupying about 6th spot. But I also said there were a lot of clubs around us in terms of budget size, as many as 8-10 clubs, and that it would appear that expenditure in the January window has seen us slip down from there. In a discussion with the club last week I was told that we were probably about 10th now and that couldn't be ratified until the EFL had updated their communique to the clubs.So at the start of January we were just outside the playoffs, with a new manager and style of football which the owners must believe in, and the first opportunity to recruit players for that new manager and system, and instead of pushing on and backing him we showed absolutely zero ambition compared the clubs around us? Resulting in us now experiencing exactly the drop off you'd expect based on that lack of ambition? Again, it just seems like a really strange decision. We chose to tread water at exactly the point we needed to kick on.