Harry Maguire

[LincsRover]

I think the betting is very odd for this tournament. At bet365 England are 3/1 favourites with France at 4/1. I know the bookies always crab the odds for England but it seems ridiculous that we’re at shorter odds than France, Portugal and germany, to name just 3 - terrible value!. For what it’s worth I’ve had a very nice double on City of Troy in the derby & France to win, and a decent bet on Portugal at 8/1.

I’m reserving judgement on the hosts, as they’ve been poor, but germany at 11/2 also seems to be better value than England - you know they’ll step up as it’s in their backyard and it’s a tournament!. I’ve not decided yet for betting purposes but am very tempted!

Hope I’m wrong about England but with betting it’s always head over heart & can’t really see anyone outside those 3 winning.

[GazLaz]

I’m not saying Saka isn’t good, but Foden is obviously ahead of him. Saka v Palmer is close but Palmer edges it for me.

They play different positions.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Surely France are clear favourites?

I think Southgate's nearly called it all right, he's gone with form and fitness.  How often have we criticised England managers for picking the names?  I'm a fan of Grealish, his work rate and impact as sub are brilliant.  But there's others in better form.

Centre half is clearly the biggest weakness at the moment.  I'd definitely have taken the lad from Everton, he's impressive, even if just for experience in the squad, he'll likely end up getting a lot of caps.  I don't find Dunk imposing enough and Brighton's form hasn't been brilliant either.

As ever though, Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Saka and Stones are the key players, not many teams have a spine with that strength.

[Colin C No.3]

Would have picked Rashford in front of Bowen.

Not fussed about Grealish. I’d look good playing for City.

[drfcsteve]

I’m not saying Saka isn’t good, but Foden is obviously ahead of him. Saka v Palmer is close but Palmer edges it for me.

They play different positions.

Where would you play them?

[GazLaz]

Surely France are clear favourites?

I think Southgate's nearly called it all right, he's gone with form and fitness.  How often have we criticised England managers for picking the names?  I'm a fan of Grealish, his work rate and impact as sub are brilliant.  But there's others in better form.

Centre half is clearly the biggest weakness at the moment.  I'd definitely have taken the lad from Everton, he's impressive, even if just for experience in the squad, he'll likely end up getting a lot of caps.  I don't find Dunk imposing enough and Brighton's form hasn't been brilliant either.

As ever though, Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Saka and Stones are the key players, not many teams have a spine with that strength.

Germany should be favourites.

[KingKendrick]

I’m not saying Saka isn’t good, but Foden is obviously ahead of him. Saka v Palmer is close but Palmer edges it for me.

They play different positions.

Where would you play them?

For me Foden is best as a 10 where hems played his best football this season but that would mean putting Bellingham back in as an 8. Saka off the right and then just the battle for who plays on the left. Eze has got a good chance if Foden goes as 10

[NickDRFC]

Huge amount of recency bias with Palmer vs Saka, I can’t believe people are suggesting Palmer should be in ahead of one our of best players and most consistent performers on the international stage. Palmer is a great prospect but people are blinded by the fact he’s scored a lot of goals this year. Don’t want to open that can of worms but a lot of them were penalties, if he hadn’t taken them this season I bet the majority of people pushing for him to start wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

[Chris Black come back]

Palmer has scored 22 EPL goals this season, of which getting on for half (9 goals) were penalties. Exactly half of his entire goal haul in the EPL this season came in five games.

[steve@dcfd]

In a 26 man squad how Grealish couldn’t be picked is baffling. We will see if Gordon and Eze will provide chances that Grealish has done. Even on Monday night he put in two crosses where goals were scored

[ForsolongaRover]

Would have picked Rashford in front of Bowen.

Not fussed about Grealish. I’d look good playing for City.

Bowen seems to work harder and tackle back.

[Danmckay456]

Bookies will always price England shorter people like a flutter

[GazLaz]

I’m not saying Saka isn’t good, but Foden is obviously ahead of him. Saka v Palmer is close but Palmer edges it for me.

They play different positions.

Where would you play them?

Saka is a right winger and Foden/Palmer No10s. 

[GazLaz]

Bookies will always price England shorter people like a flutter

Not really true. Prices are set by the Asian markets really which are in turn set by betting syndicates. Barry from Balby having his tenner on, even scaled up by a million, doesn’t make any difference.

[steve@dcfd]

Would have picked Rashford in front of Bowen.

Not fussed about Grealish. I’d look good playing for City.

Bowen seems to work harder and tackle back.

Yet how many goals does create he looked lost on Monday night yet Grealish came on and created two goals.

[GazLaz]

Would have picked Rashford in front of Bowen.

Not fussed about Grealish. I’d look good playing for City.

Bowen seems to work harder and tackle back.

Yet how many goals does create he looked lost on Monday night yet Grealish came on and created two goals.

Bowen is a really good player. That’s not good enough though is it. Same with Eze and Gordon. Can’t compare them to a player that has done it at international level before, won the CL and was one of City's best players when they won the treble last season. Rank bad decision.

[Danmckay456]

Bookies will always price England shorter people like a flutter

Not really true. Prices are set by the Asian markets really which are in turn set by betting syndicates. Barry from Balby having his tenner on, even scaled up by a million, doesn’t make any difference.

Not teally true it’s Dennis from Denaby

[drfcsteve]

Huge amount of recency bias with Palmer vs Saka, I can’t believe people are suggesting Palmer should be in ahead of one our of best players and most consistent performers on the international stage. Palmer is a great prospect but people are blinded by the fact he’s scored a lot of goals this year. Don’t want to open that can of worms but a lot of them were penalties, if he hadn’t taken them this season I bet the majority of people pushing for him to start wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

Palmer has more non penalty goals than Saka this season.

[NickDRFC]

Huge amount of recency bias with Palmer vs Saka, I can’t believe people are suggesting Palmer should be in ahead of one our of best players and most consistent performers on the international stage. Palmer is a great prospect but people are blinded by the fact he’s scored a lot of goals this year. Don’t want to open that can of worms but a lot of them were penalties, if he hadn’t taken them this season I bet the majority of people pushing for him to start wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

Palmer has more non penalty goals than Saka this season.

You’re kind of proving my point for me there by just looking at comparing the two this season and making it all about goals. Saka has about 40 caps and probably a goal every 3 games for England, he’s a huge player for us and has been for a couple of years now, with and without his goal contributions. Palmer’s had a breakout season and done spectacularly well, but it shouldn’t be enough to dislodge Saka.

The point about Palmer’s penalties is that without them he’d have 13 PL goals. Decent enough, but 3 fewer than Bowen and 1 more than the unheralded Wolves pair of Cunha & Hwang. Without those penalties, would there really be this much clamour to get him in the side (or even the squad?)

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will be a big player for England throughout his career but the only reason people think Palmer should start for England at the Euros is because of his goals this season, nothing to do with his overall ability.

[drfcsteve]

I’m not saying Saka isn’t good (you do realise 5 of his 15 goals were also penalties?)

I’m saying personally I would give Palmer a go given the season he’s had, more goals, more non-penalty goals, more assists per 90 mins, and basically being a one man team for Chelsea.

[Chris Black come back]

Nailed on to miss any penalty in a shoot out this summer.

[Metalmicky]

Just seen Rooney on Channel 4..... has he bagged a contract with Gregg's...!

[DRFC_AjA]

Nailed on to miss any penalty in a shoot out this summer.

   the P word is a sore spot for both England and Donny. No more please. And if it does come to Ps then Pickford needs to chuck a bottle

PS someone tell me what the H is the point of picking Kane and Foden tonight. They've nothing to prove and if they get injured 

[LincsRover]

Don’t think it matters who we pick, we’re just not good enough to beat France or Germany. I know it’s a friendly but FFS, it’s Iceland, not Brazil!! 

[LincsRover]

Just seen Rooney on Channel 4..... has he bagged a contract with Gregg's...!

The pieman returns!! 

[Chris Black come back]

Rooney is surprisingly good value as a pundit.

[drfchound]

He knows the game.

[ForsolongaRover]

Would have picked Rashford in front of Bowen.

Not fussed about Grealish. I’d look good playing for City.

Bowen seems to work harder and tackle back.

Yet how many goals does create he looked lost on Monday night yet Grealish came on and created two goals.

Bowen is a really good player. That’s not good enough though is it. Same with Eze and Gordon. Can’t compare them to a player that has done it at international level before, won the CL and was one of City's best players when they won the treble last season. Rank bad decision.

I’ve seen more of Bown at club level and my comparison was with Rashford whose form seems to have tailed off.

[ncRover]

Players can have unbelievable international tournament form out of nowhere.

I think picking players on form is good to an extent but Rashford won’t be playing for Man United at the Euros.

Rashford isn’t world class but HE IS capable of world class moments of skill and end product. That’s an option you need in a tournament. Also in terms of play style, he is the perfect foil for Kane.

Look at Maguire for example. Always average at best for Man U but unreal for England.

Germany always used to play Podolski and Klose irrespective of club form and they’d deliver the goods for the national team.